subject:"Re\: \[DNG\] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism"

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 04:52:27 -
"dev1fanboy"  wrote:

> https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Minimal-XFCE4-install

Hallo Chillfan,

A quote from the guide:
> user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" > ~/.xinitrc

I already noticed this in your upgrade guide – and especially then it's not 
unlikely to break things when using this kind of redirection, as a .xinitrc 
might already exist. Regarding the unexperienced audience you appear to target 
with your guides, I think there should be at least a footnote that informs 
about this risk and perhaps also mentions that this is called a "redirection", 
as a starting point for a related websearch.

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:48:45 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI  wrote:

> Simple enough to change this into:
> 
> user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" >> ~/.xinitrc  


Yes – if there's no "exit" command contained in the existing .xinitrc.

Florian

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:36:03 +0100
Svante Signell  wrote:

> On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 13:22 +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:48:45 -0300
> > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI  wrote:
> >   
>  [...]  
> > 
> > 
> > Yes – if there's no "exit" command contained in the
> > existing .xinitrc.  
> 
> What about: (saves a copy of the old file):
> 
> if [ -f test ]; then
> mv test test.old
> echo "new_entry" > test
> else
> echo "new_entry" > test
> fi
> 
> or:
> 
> if [ -f test ]; then
> mv test test.old
> fi
>     echo "new_entry" > test


For not having to mention the trigger words "text editor", I think the
easiest way to avoid frustrated beginners would be to add a warning like
the following to the guide:

"This command contains a redirection which will create the named file.
If that file already exists, its content will be overwritten and thus
should be edited manually instead!"

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2016-01-12 Thread Mitt Green

Svante Signell wrote:

> What about: (saves a copy of the old file):
> blah-blah-blah

Why not simply check .xinitrc first and put "startxfce4" or whatever
inside with a text editor?

By the way, I have "startxfce4 --with-ck-launch."

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:34:20 -
"dev1fanboy"  wrote:

> hey Florian,
> 
> I do try to include the inexperienced, hopefully that's not too
> boring for everyone else.
> 
> I think I should probably change startx to startxfce4 this time,
> because it has it's own session script

It's kind of funny, perhaps I just don't get who you are writing the
guides for. I mean, for a somewhat experienced *nix user, wouldn't it be
sufficient to say "add the command 'xfce4-session' to your favorite X
startup script"?

OTOH, your version has the never-paste-what-you-do-not-understand
appeal, but I remember well going half crazy, when I tried to find an
explanation for these strange < > - characters that appeared here and
there.

BTW, I just browsed through your git repo: It is getting a really
interesting resource for minimal desktops! 
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2016-01-12 Thread dev1fanboy

I think generally it will appeal to experienced users, and some non admin types 
coming over. I mostly had in mind people sitting on the sidelines who weren't 
sure how to migrate but are unhappy with the systemd situation. Still, I'll 
likely cut out some of the more obvious things for brevity later on. 

Just the quick start guide and upgrade version I need to fix now really, then 
I'll put the minimalism stuff together in one "manual"

On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:58 PM, Florian Zieboll  wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:34:20 -
> "dev1fanboy"  wrote:
> 
>> hey Florian,
>>
>> I do try to include the inexperienced, hopefully that's not too
>> boring for everyone else.
>>
>> I think I should probably change startx to startxfce4 this time,
>> because it has it's own session script
> 
> 
> It's kind of funny, perhaps I just don't get who you are writing the
> guides for. I mean, for a somewhat experienced *nix user, wouldn't it be
> sufficient to say "add the command 'xfce4-session' to your favorite X
> startup script"?
> 
> OTOH, your version has the never-paste-what-you-do-not-understand
> appeal, but I remember well going half crazy, when I tried to find an
> explanation for these strange < > - characters that appeared here and
> there.
> 
> BTW, I just browsed through your git repo: It is getting a really
> interesting resource for minimal desktops!
> https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home
> 
> f.
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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2015-12-21 Thread Daniel Reurich

On 22/12/15 08:39, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 07:54:21AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
>> On 22/12/15 03:59, Adam Borowski wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
 deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main 
 deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main

 Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower,
 it requires libplist2 but there is libplist3 in Unstable.
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>> Does libplist3 introduce api changes that we should be concerned about?
>>  If not I'll bump the version in our upower package for ceres
> 
> I don't know, sorry.  All I know is that my upower package makes suspend
> work for me on current Debian unstable, unlike gutted newer upowers.
> 
Ok, it looks like ABI changes according to git, and it looks also like
it's transitioned to gccv5.

As always, if you want to help maintain this and other packages in
Devuan I'd be happy to get you started using our stack.

Regards,
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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2015-12-21 Thread Adam Borowski

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 07:54:21AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 22/12/15 03:59, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
> >> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main 
> >> deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
> >>
> >> Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower,
> >> it requires libplist2 but there is libplist3 in Unstable.
> > 
> > Fixed.
> > 
> Does libplist3 introduce api changes that we should be concerned about?
>  If not I'll bump the version in our upower package for ceres

I don't know, sorry.  All I know is that my upower package makes suspend
work for me on current Debian unstable, unlike gutted newer upowers.

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2015-12-21 Thread Daniel Reurich

On 22/12/15 03:59, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
>> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main 
>> deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
>>
>> Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower,
>> it requires libplist2 but there is libplist3 in Unstable.
> 
> Fixed.
> 
Does libplist3 introduce api changes that we should be concerned about?
 If not I'll bump the version in our upower package for ceres


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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Thanks, that's all fixed now and the layout looks correct :)

On Monday, December 21, 2015 12:45 PM, Florian Zieboll  wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:51:07 -
> "dev1fanboy"  wrote:
> 
>> Aha, yeah I can see there's something going on with it now that I've
>> checked.
>>
>> Could you send the file in an attachment again?
> 
> Here's the file. The change suggested in my other mail is already
> implemented (and two more details changed in the first paragraph).
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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism



dev1fanboy  wrote:

>True the apt pinning is broke there, and libsystemd0 may not be avoidable with 
>libpulse0 now depending on it. 

libpulse0 is available in those repos as well.
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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

True the apt pinning is broke there, and libsystemd0 may not be avoidable with 
libpulse0 now depending on it. 

On my list of things to do, so that users can seemlessly upgrade to Ceres or 
Testing without it breaking. 

I'll mention the angband repos and the upower issue too, thanks :)

On Monday, December 21, 2015 12:53 PM, Mitt Green  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> You have mentioned pinning libsystemd0 for Ceres in Wiki
> 
> (https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Ceres-without-Systemd)
> but as I have written it does no longer work.
> 
> There is no way to prevent this package from installing,
> one has to use these repositories:
> 
> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
> deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
> 
> And then add the apt key (under root):
> 
> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key BED007F9
> gpg --armor --export BED007f9 | apt-key add -
> 
> I hope when Devuan will be released we won't need them, but till then
> it is the way.
> 
> Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower,
> it requires libplist2 but there is libplist3 in Unstable.
> For the rest, everything is smooth and stable (well,
> if ye don't count occasional dependency dissatisfaction from apt,
> but these things are native to Debian and get their fixes in a couple
> of days).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mitt
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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

2015-12-21 Thread Florian Zieboll

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:33:51 -
"dev1fanboy"  wrote:

> I enabled the issue tracker on the wiki so if anyone has problems (or 
> suggestions) with the docs they can add it there if they like.
> 
> https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home

Hallo Fanboy,

somehow the character encoding of the german translation got messed up,
the original text file is in in utf-8, as is the character set defined
for your wiki page.

Also, the link to the translation at
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home
should be named "Deutsch" instead of "Deutsche".

Attached is a screenshot of the text as a hopefully troll-proof
encoding check :)

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

Aha, yeah I can see there's something going on with it now that I've checked.

Could you send the file in an attachment again? 

On Monday, December 21, 2015 11:42 AM, Florian Zieboll  wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:33:51 -
> "dev1fanboy"  wrote:
> 
>> I enabled the issue tracker on the wiki so if anyone has problems (or
>> suggestions) with the docs they can add it there if they like.
>>
>> https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home
> 
> 
> Hallo Fanboy,
> 
> somehow the character encoding of the german translation got messed up,
> the original text file is in in utf-8, as is the character set defined
> for your wiki page.
> 
> Also, the link to the translation at
> https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home
> should be named "Deutsch" instead of "Deutsche".
> 
> Attached is a screenshot of the text as a hopefully troll-proof
> encoding check :)
> 
> Ahoi,
> 
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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

2015-12-21 Thread Florian Zieboll

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:51:07 -
"dev1fanboy"  wrote:

> Aha, yeah I can see there's something going on with it now that I've
> checked.
> 
> Could you send the file in an attachment again? 

Here's the file. The change suggested in my other mail is already
implemented (and two more details changed in the first paragraph).

Ein kurzer Leitfaden zum Umstieg auf Devuan und der Konfiguration von 
Minimalismus

Viele Leute bei Devuan reden von Minimalismus und manche werden sich fragen, ob 
sie auf Devuan umsteigen kÃ¶nnen. Die Antwort ist: Ja. Du kannst zu Devuan 
wechseln und davon ausgehen, dass der 'stable'-Ableger nahezu problemlos 
lÃ¤uft. Der ist bislang zwar nicht als 'stable' angekÃ¼ndigt, wie Du vielleicht 
auf devuan.org mitbekommen hast jedoch weitaus besser als Alpha-QualitÃ¤t. Zur 
Zeit bin ich noch ein wenig am experimentieren, bevor ich dann einen 
umfassenderen Leitfaden zum Umsteigen, Installieren und weiteren Minimalisieren 
von Devuan schreiben werde. Bald kann ich hoffentlich ein Wiki fÃ¼r diese 
ganzen Informationen und mehr anlegen, aber jetzt will ich das fÃ¼r alle die 
ihr System umrÃ¼sten oder weiter minimalisieren mÃ¶chten erstmal so 
verÃ¶ffentlichen.

Los geht's!

1) Upgrade von Debian zu Devuan 'stable' (Jessie 1.0)

Du kannst sowohl von Debian Wheezy als auch von Debian Jessie zu Devuan Jessie 
1.0 umsteigen. Mit anderen Ablegern bist Du vorerst auf Dich allein gestellt. 
Bis zur offiziellen VerÃ¶ffentlichung von 'stable' empfehle ich, Upgrades auf 
Devaun 'testing' (Ascii) zu vermeiden.

Zuerst Ã¶ffne ein Terminal, tippe

user@debian:~$ sudo -s

und gib Dein Nutzer-Passwort ein. 

Oder, falls sudo nicht zur VerfÃ¼gung steht:

user@debian:~$ su

und gib Dein Root-Passwort ein. 

Jetzt kÃ¶nnen wir mit den Upgrade loslegen. Damit apt die Pakete nur vom 
(derzeit einzigen) Devuan-Spiegelserver bezieht, musst Du die 'sources.list' 
editieren:

root@debian:~# nano /etc/apt/sources.list

Kommentiere ALLE vorhandenen Zeilen in der 'sources.list' aus und fÃ¼ge den 
Devuan-Spiegelserver mit dem Ableger Jessie (stable) hinzu. Das sollte dann 
ungefÃ¤hr so aussehen:

#deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main
deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main

Nun mÃ¼ssen wir den Devuan-SchlÃ¼sselbund aus dem Repository laden, um Pakete 
authentifizieren zu kÃ¶nnen:

root@debian:~# apt-get update
root@debian:~# apt-get install devuan-keyring

Viele die zu Devuan wechseln werden hoffen, dadurch dem Systemd-Netz zu 
entkommen â falls das auf Dich zutrifft, musst Du zunÃ¤chst das Init-System 
festlegen. Ich werde in diesem Beispiel SysV-Init verwenden, weil ich das 
bereits getestet habe â falls vorhanden, wird Systemd-Init dabei entfernt:

root@debian:~# apt-get install sysvinit-core 

Beim Upgrade von Debian Wheezy wird das 'base-files'-Paket automatisch 
installiert, es wurde jedoch berichtet, dass es manuell ausgewÃ¤hlt werden 
muss, falls Du von Jessie her umsteigst. Wie auch immer, tun wir es einfach:

root@debian:~# apt-get install base-files

Starte das System-Upgrade mit:

root@debian:~# apt-get dist-upgrade

AbhÃ¤ngig von Deiner Internetverbindung kann das jetzt eine Weile dauern, Zeit 
fÃ¼r ein GetrÃ¤nk!

Wenn dann alles durchgelaufen ist, bist Du Nutzer von Devuan GNU/Linux 1.

Jetzt kÃ¶nntest Du noch ein wenig aufrÃ¤umen (optional):

root@devuan:~# apt-get autoremove --purge
root@devuan:~# apt-get autoclean

Der erste Befehl entfernt alle 'verwaisten' AbhÃ¤ngigkeiten Deiner vorherigen 
Installation samt aller Ã¼berflÃ¼ssigen Konfigurationsdateien dieser Pakete. 
Ich empfehle diesen Schritt ausdrÃ¼cklich als gute Sicherheits-Praxis. Der 
zweite Befehl lÃ¶scht alle Pakete aus dem Cache, auÃer denen, die auf dem 
laufenden System noch installiert sind, und gibt so etwas Festplattenplatz frei.

Jetzt solltest Du noch einen Neustart machen, um auch den Kernel von Devuan zu 
nutzen:

root@devuan:~# reboot

Falls wÃ¤hrend des Upgrades Gnome deinstalliert worden sein sollte: Keine 
Panik! Das liegt daran, dass Gnome von Systemd abhÃ¤ngt und Du Dich zuvor fÃ¼r 
SysV-Init entschieden hast. Devuans Standard-Desktopumgebung ist XFCE:

root@devuan:~# apt-get install xfce4

ÃberprÃ¼fe, ob Du die Desktopumgebung starten kannst:

root@devuan:~# su - dein_nutzername
user@devuan:~$ startxfce4

Falls alles klappt, kannst Du nun gefahrlos einen Display-Manager fÃ¼r den 
nÃ¤chsten Neustart installieren:

root@devuan:~# apt-get install slim

2) Minimalismus des Systems konfigurieren

Ein Minimalisten-Kollege von #debianfork (der vorlÃ¤ufig ungenannt bleiben 
soll, bis ich mit ihm gesprochen habe) gab mir einen Tipp, der es ermÃ¶glicht, 
Dein System auf Ã¤uÃerst geschickte Weise zu entschlacken. Das ist vÃ¶llig 
optional und kann sowohl vor, als auch nach dem Upgrade geschehen. Wir werden 
apt so einrichten, dass es alle von Debian/Devuan 'empfohlenen' Pakete 
ignoriert, weil die Mehrzahl dieser Pakete auf dem System oft keinen Sinn 
macht. Es gibt einige

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

If anyone can improve upon the Italian or German translations, please feel free 
to post in this thread to discuss it with other translators :)


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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Hi,

You have mentioned pinning libsystemd0 for Ceres in Wiki

(https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Ceres-without-Systemd)
but as I have written it does no longer work.

There is no way to prevent this package from installing,
one has to use these repositories:

deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main 
deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main

And then add the apt key (under root):

gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key BED007F9
gpg --armor --export BED007f9 | apt-key add -

I hope when Devuan will be released we won't need them, but till then
it is the way.

Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower,
it requires libplist2 but there is libplist3 in Unstable.
For the rest, everything is smooth and stable (well,
if ye don't count occasional dependency dissatisfaction from apt,
but these things are native to Debian and get their fixes in a couple
of days).

Cheers,

Mitt
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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Monday Adam Borowski  wrote:



>Fixed.

Now it depends on libupower-glib1, which is obsolete. There is
libupower-glib3 in Unstable.

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

On Monday Adam Borowski  wrote:


>libupower-glib1 comes from upower sources, that's okay.  Changing the soname
>to that of upower 0.99 would lead to breakage, I'm using upower 0.9.23 which
>is the last version before suspend/hibernate/etc functionality was removed.


Then it's fine, thank you.


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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2015-12-21 Thread Adam Borowski

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main 
> deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
> 
> Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower,
> it requires libplist2 but there is libplist3 in Unstable.

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2015-12-21 Thread Adam Borowski

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 03:14:23PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
> On Monday Adam Borowski  wrote:
> 
> >Fixed.
> 
> Now it depends on libupower-glib1, which is obsolete. There is
> libupower-glib3 in Unstable.

libupower-glib1 comes from upower sources, that's okay.  Changing the soname
to that of upower 0.99 would lead to breakage, I'm using upower 0.9.23 which
is the last version before suspend/hibernate/etc functionality was removed.

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

2015-12-20 Thread aitor_czr



Hi Emiliano and dev1fanboy,

On 16/12/15 22:04, Emiliano Marini  wrote

>Thanks, let me know if it needs corrections or has misspellings. 


I uploaded my translation to the following link:

http://gnuinos.org/index.php/es/2015-12-20-23-42-21/guia-de-actualizacion-a-devuan-desde-debian

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

2015-12-18 Thread aitor_czr


Hi Emiliano,


On 12/17/2015 02:07 PM, Emiliano Marini  wrote:

Thanks aitor_czr!


remover --> eliminar <= synonyms

xinit y iniciar --> xinit*e*  iniciar <= ouch!

un gestor de login*para*  utilizar --> un gestor de login*que poder*
utilizar <=  it's badly conjugated, better use:

"Si todo funciona correctamente, es posible agregar un gestor de login para
poder utilizar durante el siguiente inicio:"

or

"Si todo funciona correctamente, es posible agregar un gestor de login para
utilizar durante el siguiente inicio:"


The rest is ok.

Thanks again!


I desagree :)

EMHO (en mi humilde opinión), the right ways are:


"Si todo funciona correctamente, es posible agregar un gestor de login 
para poder utilizar*lo* durante el siguiente inicio:"


or

"Si todo funciona correctamente, es posible agregar un gestor de login 
*que poder* utilizar durante el siguiente inicio:".



The last one is well conjugated. This is: *el cual poder* utilizar 
(*which can be* used, in english).



On the other hand, regarding the use of the verb "remover" in spanish, 
it has another meaning compared to "remove" in english. *To remove* 
something means *eliminar* algo.



*Re* is a superlative in both America and Europe. For example, in 
Argentina *re*loco means *super*loco (very crazy).


So, "remover" means to move continuously.

For example:


- You *can* "remove" a blod sample avoiding formation of air bubbles.

- You *can* "remove" a fish soap in your kitchen.

- You *can* "remove" the sugar in the coffie.


It is true there is another meaning for the verb *remover*: to move 
something from one point to another different point.



But...


- You *cannot* "remove" a folder infected by systemd.

- You *cannot* "remove" a user top-leveling our posts.


However:


- You *can* "remove"a folder infected by systemd *to the trash*.

- You *can* "remove" a picture *from* the Uffizi Gallery *to* the 
Vittorio Emanuele Gallery.



EQESDA (espero que esto sirva de ayuda)

Cheers,

  Aitor_CZR  &&  Pablo Neruda :)


P.D.- I'm *super*pedantic, i know...











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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

2015-12-18 Thread aitor_czr


Hi LOL,


On 18/12/15 12:13, Emiliano Marini wrote:

LOL no problem,

It must be our (argentinian) dialect. That's why I said I tried to 
keep it neutral.


First, we do use "remover" as "remove" in Argentina.

Second, about "...*que poder* utilizar...", we never use that kind of 
conjugation in Argentina (in Latin America I dare to say), it's really 
strange to me :S (maybe you are from Spain?)


Anyway, your corrections are welcome!

Cheers,
Emiliano.



I'm from the basque country. My deceased mother spoke only basque, but i 
speak both languages (spanish and basque).



I am not sure about this point... *Re* means *continuity*, and also 
means *repeatability*.



Perhaps, the following examples are right:


- You *can* "remove"a folder infected by systemd *to the trash*.

- You *can* "remove" a picture *from* the Uffizi Gallery *to* the 
Vittorio Emanuele Gallery.



But they are not used in Spain, because the meaning of "remover" in 
Spain is "eliminar".



- A picture of "El Veronés" today is in a concret Gallery, but tomorrow 
is in another Gallery.


- A folder infected by systemd today is in a concret path, but tomorrow 
is in another path.



This is the repetibility of the action "to move" :)


NOW:


@english_speakers


Don't use *re*user root password, instead of *super*user root password :)


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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

2015-12-17 Thread Emiliano Marini

Thanks aitor_czr!


remover --> eliminar <= synonyms

xinit y iniciar --> xinit *e* iniciar <= ouch!

un gestor de login *para* utilizar --> un gestor de login *que poder*
utilizar <=  it's badly conjugated, better use:

"Si todo funciona correctamente, es posible agregar un gestor de login para
poder utilizar durante el siguiente inicio:"

or

"Si todo funciona correctamente, es posible agregar un gestor de login para
utilizar durante el siguiente inicio:"


The rest is ok.

Thanks again!


2015-12-17 8:47 GMT-03:00 aitor_czr :

> Hi Emiliano,
>
> On 16/12/15 22:04, Emiliano Marini 
>  wrote:
>
> Thanks, let me know if it needs corrections or has misspellings.
>
>
> Your translation is very good, i only did minor changes:
>
>
> - Ahora es posible *continuar* con la actualización --> Ahora es posible
> *empezar* con la actualización  (We just started !!)
>
> - entrar en pánico --> asustarse
>
> - remover --> eliminar
>
> - proceder --> continuar   Now in the other way around!! And several
> times... Surery this is due to the differences between American and
> European :)
>
> - xinit y iniciar --> xinit *e* iniciar
>
> - En el proceso de eliminar dbus --> *Al* eliminar   (*although being
> right*)
>
> - Los ahora huérfanos paquetes --> Los actuales paquetes huérfanos
>
> - un gestor de login *para* utilizar --> un gestor de login *que poder*
> utilizar
>
>
> ... The rest of the changes are due to my *pedantry* ...
>
>
> Here you are the guide:
>
>
> #   Dev1FanBoy   #
>
>
> Guía rápida para actualizar a Devuan y configurar el sistema de forma
> minimalista
>
> Se ha hablado con frecuencia del minimalismo en la comunidad Devuan y
> puede que muchos usuarios estén preguntándose cómo migrar a Devuan. Este
> documento describe la manera de hacerlo, para lograr así un sistema más
> minimalista.
>
>
>
> Cómo migrar a Devuan desde Debian
> =
>
> Es posible actualizar a Devuan Jessie 1.0, tanto desde Debian Wheezy como
> desde Debian Jessie. Actualmente no existen guías para otras ramas (desde y
> hacia), ya que es algo todavía por probar. Se recomienda permanecer en
> Jessie antes de la liberación de la nueva versión estable, ya que utilizar
> la rama de pruebas (ascii) tiene cierto riesgo, al ser menos estable.
>
> Para comenzar, se abre una terminal y se introduce el siguiente comando:
>
> user@debian:~$ sudo -s
>
> que nos preguntará la contraseña. En su defecto (si sudo no está
> disponible), haríamos esto otro:
>
> user@debian:~$ su
>
> que nos pedirá la contraseña de root.
>
> Ahora es posible empezar con la actualización. Es necesario editar el
> archivo de configuración sources.list para que el gestor APT obtenga sólo
> paquetes provenientes del mirror de Devuan (por ahora existe sólo uno):
>
> root@debian:~# nano /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> Comentar TODAS las líneas dentro del archivo sources.list y agregar el
> mirror de Devuan con la rama Jessie (estable). Debe lucir más o menos así:
>
> #deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main
>
> deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main
>
> A continuación se debe obtener el keyring de Devuan desde el repositorio
> para poder así verificar los paquetes:
>
> root@debian:~# apt-get update
>
> root@debian:~# apt-get install devuan-keyring
>
> Muchos usuarios provenientes de Debian u otros sistemas probablemente
> deseen huir de systemd durante el proceso (si es así, será nedesario
> especificar el sistema de inicio, antes de continuar). En este ejemplo se
> utiliza sysvinit (systemd será eliminado, si es que está presente en el
> sistema actual):
>
> root@debian:~# apt-get install sysvinit-core
>
> En el caso de una actualización desde Debian Wheezy, el paquete base-files
> será instalado automáticamente. Por el contrario, si se actualiza desde
> Jessie, la instalación se deberá llevar a cabo manualmente, cosa que
> podemos hacer ahora:
>
> root@debian:~# apt-get install base-files
>
> Y procedemos a actualizar:
>
> root@debian:~# apt-get dist-upgrade
>
> Esto puede demorar más o menos, dependiendo de la velocidad de la conexión
> a Internet, momento ideal para tomar un refresco.
>
> Finalizado el proceso, se estará utilizando Devuan GNU/Linux 1.
>
> Opcionalmente, se puede hacer una limpieza de paquetes:
>
> root@devuan:~# apt-get autoremove --purge
>
> root@devuan:~# apt-get autoclean
>
> El primer comando elimina toda dependencia huérfana de la instalación
> previa, incluyendo las configuraciones no deseadas para esos paquetes. Es
> altamente recomendable hacer esta limpieza como buena práctica de
> seguridad. El segundo comando elimina toda la cache de paquetes, excepto
> aquellos que se encuentran instalados actualmente, con lo que se recupera
> algo de espacio en disco.
>
> Ahora simplemente se debe reiniciar el sistema a fin de utilizar el kernel
> Linux que viene con Devuan:
>
> root@devuan:~# reboot
>
> No hay que asustarse si

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

2015-12-17 Thread aitor_czr


Hi Emiliano,

On 16/12/15 22:04, Emiliano Marini  wrote:

Thanks, let me know if it needs corrections or has misspellings.


Your translation is very good, i only did minor changes:


- Ahora es posible *continuar* con la actualización --> Ahora es posible 
*empezar* con la actualización  (We just started !!)


- entrar en pánico --> asustarse

- remover --> eliminar

- proceder --> continuar   Now in the other way around!! And several 
times... Surery this is due to the differences between American and 
European :)


- xinit y iniciar --> xinit *e* iniciar

- En el proceso de eliminar dbus --> *Al* eliminar   (*although beingright*)

- Los ahora huérfanos paquetes --> Los actuales paquetes huérfanos

- un gestor de login *para* utilizar --> un gestor de login *que poder* 
utilizar



... The rest of the changes are due to my *pedantry* ...


Here you are the guide:


#   Dev1FanBoy   #


Guía rápida para actualizar a Devuan y configurar el sistema de forma 
minimalista


Se ha hablado con frecuencia del minimalismo en la comunidad Devuan y 
puede que muchos usuarios estén preguntándose cómo migrar a Devuan. Este 
documento describe la manera de hacerlo, para lograr así un sistema más 
minimalista.




Cómo migrar a Devuan desde Debian
=

Es posible actualizar a Devuan Jessie 1.0, tanto desde Debian Wheezy 
como desde Debian Jessie. Actualmente no existen guías para otras ramas 
(desde y hacia), ya que es algo todavía por probar. Se recomienda 
permanecer en Jessie antes de la liberación de la nueva versión estable, 
ya que utilizar la rama de pruebas (ascii) tiene cierto riesgo, al ser 
menos estable.


Para comenzar, se abre una terminal y se introduce el siguiente comando:

user@debian:~$ sudo -s

que nos preguntará la contraseña. En su defecto (si sudo no está 
disponible), haríamos esto otro:


user@debian:~$ su

que nos pedirá la contraseña de root.

Ahora es posible empezar con la actualización. Es necesario editar el 
archivo de configuración sources.list para que el gestor APT obtenga 
sólo paquetes provenientes del mirror de Devuan (por ahora existe sólo uno):


root@debian:~# nano /etc/apt/sources.list

Comentar TODAS las líneas dentro del archivo sources.list y agregar el 
mirror de Devuan con la rama Jessie (estable). Debe lucir más o menos así:


#deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main

deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main

A continuación se debe obtener el keyring de Devuan desde el repositorio 
para poder así verificar los paquetes:


root@debian:~# apt-get update

root@debian:~# apt-get install devuan-keyring

Muchos usuarios provenientes de Debian u otros sistemas probablemente 
deseen huir de systemd durante el proceso (si es así, será nedesario 
especificar el sistema de inicio, antes de continuar). En este ejemplo 
se utiliza sysvinit (systemd será eliminado, si es que está presente en 
el sistema actual):


root@debian:~# apt-get install sysvinit-core

En el caso de una actualización desde Debian Wheezy, el paquete 
base-files será instalado automáticamente. Por el contrario, si se 
actualiza desde Jessie, la instalación se deberá llevar a cabo 
manualmente, cosa que podemos hacer ahora:


root@debian:~# apt-get install base-files

Y procedemos a actualizar:

root@debian:~# apt-get dist-upgrade

Esto puede demorar más o menos, dependiendo de la velocidad de la 
conexión a Internet, momento ideal para tomar un refresco.


Finalizado el proceso, se estará utilizando Devuan GNU/Linux 1.

Opcionalmente, se puede hacer una limpieza de paquetes:

root@devuan:~# apt-get autoremove --purge

root@devuan:~# apt-get autoclean

El primer comando elimina toda dependencia huérfana de la instalación 
previa, incluyendo las configuraciones no deseadas para esos paquetes. 
Es altamente recomendable hacer esta limpieza como buena práctica de 
seguridad. El segundo comando elimina toda la cache de paquetes, excepto 
aquellos que se encuentran instalados actualmente, con lo que se 
recupera algo de espacio en disco.


Ahora simplemente se debe reiniciar el sistema a fin de utilizar el 
kernel Linux que viene con Devuan:


root@devuan:~# reboot

No hay que asustarse si gnome es eliminado durante el proceso de 
actualización, esto se debe a que depende de systemd y se ha optado por 
sysvinit. El entorno de escritorio por defecto en Devuan es XFCE:


root@devuan:~# apt-get install xfce4

Verificar que se puede iniciar el entorno de escritorio:

root@devuan:~# su - username

user@devuan:~$ startxfce4

Si todo funciona correctamente, es posible agregar un gestor de login 
que poder utilizar durante el siguiente inicio:


root@devuan:~# apt-get install slim

Configuación minimalista de APT
===

Gracias a un tip de un colega minimalista ("TheFlash"), es posible 
adelgazar el sistema de forma elegante. Esta configuración es 
completamente opcional y puede ser llevada a cabo antes o después de

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

2015-12-17 Thread aitor_czr




On 17/12/15 12:48, aitor_czr  wrote:

On 16/12/15 22:04, Emiliano Marini  wrote:

>Thanks, let me know if it needs corrections or has misspellings.

Your translation is very good, i only did minor changes:


- Ahora es posible*continuar*  con la actualización --> Ahora es posible
*empezar*  con la actualización  (We just started !!)

- entrar en pánico --> asustarse

- remover --> eliminar

- proceder --> continuar   Now in the other way around!! And several
times... Surery this is due to the differences between American and
European:)

- xinit y iniciar --> xinit*e*  iniciar

- En el proceso de eliminar dbus -->*Al*  eliminar   (*although beingright*)

- Los ahora huérfanos paquetes --> Los actuales paquetes huérfanos

- un gestor de login*para*  utilizar --> un gestor de login*que poder*  
utilizar



... The rest of the changes are due to my*pedantry*  ...


More changes:

los paquetes *que* sí deseados --> los paquetes sí deseados

Well, i will put it somewhere, after consulting my doubts about licences.

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2015-12-16 Thread Florian Zieboll


Hallo Fanboy,

I killed some time translating your quick start guide to german, see
attachment. My translation of "configuring minimalism" is probably a
bit square-edged. 

Some things that came to my mind when working on it:

- It might be nice to mention the possible removal of gnome a bit
  earlier ;-)
- On systems with installed recommends, I use debfoster with
  "-o UseRecommends=no" to clear them out. This allows you to decide
  for every package if you want to keep/remove/prune it. If unsure, you
  can get information on the package in question before removing it.
- JWM is another dbus-free window manager, very lightweight but still
  reasonably usable for a if-you-don't-know-it-you-need-it audience.

Regarding a copyright: In 2015, although I usually (have to) trust the
certificate authorities myself, I don't want to see my name in context
with a document that recommends this practice to the public. I hope you
can still use it somehow – I won't reclaim any rights on it.

Finally, regarding translations in general: Is there already some
infrastructure for the versioning of documents and their translations,
any resources on how (and if) to translate common terms to different
languages and also a communication platform for (wannabe) translators?
Before starting the internationalization of the Devuan documentation,
it might be good to have a sturdy manual on that topic.

Regards,

Florian

Ein kurzer Leitfaden zum Umstieg auf Devuan und der Konfiguration von 
Minimalismus


Viele Leute bei Devuan reden von Minimalismus und manche fragen sich, ob sie zu 
Devuan umsteigen kÃ¶nnen. Die Antwort ist: Ja. Du kannst zu Devuan umsteigen 
und davon ausgehen, dass der 'stable'-Ableger mit â wenn Ã¼berhaupt â nur 
wenigen Problemen lÃ¤uft. Der ist bislang zwar nicht als 'stable' angekÃ¼ndigt, 
wie Du vielleicht auf devuan.org mitbekommen hast jedoch weitaus besser als 
Alpha-QualitÃ¤t. Zur Zeit bin ich noch ein wenig am experimentieren, bevor ich 
dann einen umfassenderen Leitfaden zum Umsteigen, Installieren und weiteren 
Minimalisieren von Devuan schreiben werde. Bald kann ich hoffentlich ein Wiki 
fÃ¼r diese ganzen Informationen und mehr anlegen, aber jetzt will ich das fÃ¼r 
alle die ihr System umrÃ¼sten oder weiter minimalisieren mÃ¶chten erstmal so 
raushauen.


Los geht's!


1) Upgrade von Debian zu Devuan 'stable' (Jessie 1.0)

Du kannst sowohl von Debian Wheezy als auch von Debian Jessie zu Devuan Jessie 
1.0 umsteigen. Mit anderen Ablegern bist Du vorerst auf Dich allein gestellt. 
Bis zur offiziellen VerÃ¶ffentlichung von 'stable' empfehle ich, Upgrades auf 
Devaun 'testing' (Ascii) zu vermeiden.

Zuerst Ã¶ffne ein Terminal, tippe

user@debian:~$ sudo -s

und gib Dein Nutzer-Passwort ein. 

Oder, falls sudo nicht zur VerfÃ¼gung steht:

user@debian:~$ su

und gib Dein Root-Passwort ein. 

Jetzt kÃ¶nnen wir mit den Upgrade loslegen. Damit apt die Pakete nur vom 
(derzeit einzigen) Devuan-Spiegelserver bezieht, musst Du die 'sources.list' 
editieren:

root@debian:~# nano /etc/apt/sources.list

Kommentiere ALLE vorhandenen Zeilen in der 'sources.list' aus und fÃ¼ge den 
Devuan-Spiegelserver mit dem Ableger Jessie (stable) hinzu. Das sollte dann 
ungefÃ¤hr so aussehen:

#deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main
deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main

Nun mÃ¼ssen wir den Devuan-SchlÃ¼sselbund aus dem Repository laden, um Pakete 
authentifizieren zu kÃ¶nnen:

root@debian:~# apt-get update
root@debian:~# apt-get install devuan-keyring

Viele die zu Devuan wechseln werden hoffen, dadurch dem Systemd-Netz zu 
entkommen â falls das auf Dich zutrifft, musst Du zunÃ¤chst das Init-System 
festlegen. Ich werde in diesem Beispiel SysV-Init verwenden, weil ich das 
bereits getestet habe â falls vorhanden, wird Systemd-Init dabei entfernt:

root@debian:~# apt-get install sysvinit-core 

Beim Upgrade von Debian Wheezy wird das 'base-files'-Paket automatisch 
installiert, es wurde jedoch berichtet, dass es manuell ausgewÃ¤hlt werden 
muss, falls Du von Jessie her umsteigst. Wie auch immer, tun wir es einfach:

root@debian:~# apt-get install base-files

Starte das System-Upgrade mit:

root@debian:~# apt-get dist-upgrade

AbhÃ¤ngig von Deiner Internetverbindung kann das jetzt eine Weile dauern, Zeit 
fÃ¼r ein GetrÃ¤nk!

Wenn dann alles durchgelaufen ist, bist Du Nutzer von Devuan GNU/Linux 1.

Jetzt kÃ¶nntest Du noch ein wenig aufrÃ¤umen (optional):

root@devuan:~# apt-get autoremove --purge
root@devuan:~# apt-get autoclean

Der erste Befehl entfernt alle 'verwaisten' AbhÃ¤ngigkeiten Deiner vorherigen 
Installation samt aller Ã¼berflÃ¼ssigen Konfigurationsdateien dieser Pakete. 
Ich empfehle diesen Schritt ausdrÃ¼cklich als gute Sicherheits-Praxis. Der 
zweite Befehl lÃ¶scht alle Pakete aus dem Cache, auÃer denen, die auf dem 
laufenden System noch installiert sind, und gibt so etwas Festplattenplatz frei.

Jetzt solltest Du noch einen Neustart machen, um auch den Kernel von Devuan zu 
nutzen:

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism

If you could let me know the link for that when it's posted I will link 
the page :)

 
On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 4:06 PM, aitor_czr 
 wrote:

 
On 16/12/15 16:30, Emiliano Marini  
wrote:

I'm from Argentina but I tried to keep it as neutral as possible:
español/castellano



Thanks for your work, Emiliano. I will review your translation 
shortly, and put it somewhere in both languages.


I can also translate the guide to basque language :)

   Aitor


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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of licensing yet, so I'm not sure 
if that is binding or not. If it is, that is fine by me and I'll 
mention you didn't wish to claim ownership.


Bear in mind though, I'm not representing Devuan, so it's more of just 
translation of my wiki docs rather than all Devuan docs. I'm not sure 
how to go about translating personally, as my second language skills 
are very limited.


The wiki pages are here: 
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home


The original text from the quickstart guide posted here is a little 
outdated compared to the above (I might try to replace that with a more 
complete 'manual'), and translations of anything on the wiki is 
prefered. My reason for mentioning it is I remembered people wanted to 
translate, and even if it's a little outdated or needs fixing any 
finished translations may be helpful to someone still. Anyone should 
free to fix anything they found that doesn't work from whichever page 
and if you let me know the problem (put subject wiki docs or so to my 
mailbox) I can fix it in english too for more recent versions, it's all 
CC-BY-SA 4.0 (GPL compatible) :)


 
On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:10 PM, Florian Zieboll 
 wrote:

 

Hallo Fanboy,

I killed some time translating your quick start guide to german, see
attachment. My translation of "configuring minimalism" is probably a
bit square-edged.

Some things that came to my mind when working on it:

- It might be nice to mention the possible removal of gnome a bit
 earlier ;-)
- On systems with installed recommends, I use debfoster with
 "-o UseRecommends=no" to clear them out. This allows you to decide
 for every package if you want to keep/remove/prune it. If unsure, 
you

 can get information on the package in question before removing it.
- JWM is another dbus-free window manager, very lightweight but still
 reasonably usable for a if-you-don't-know-it-you-need-it audience.

Regarding a copyright: In 2015, although I usually (have to) trust 
the
certificate authorities myself, I don't want to see my name in 
context
with a document that recommends this practice to the public. I hope 
you

can still use it somehow – I won't reclaim any rights on it.

Finally, regarding translations in general: Is there already some
infrastructure for the versioning of documents and their 
translations,

any resources on how (and if) to translate common terms to different
languages and also a communication platform for (wannabe) 
translators?

Before starting the internationalization of the Devuan documentation,
it might be good to have a sturdy manual on that topic.

Regards,

Florian

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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Thanks, I had lost the original emails and so couldn't get back to you 
on that before - sorry about that. It looks good to me, so I'll add it 
with some formatting changes. Thanks again :)

 
On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:56 PM, Antonio Trkdz.tab 
 wrote:

 

Hi Dev1fanboy,
 
I revised the translation (italian) and added The CC html code at the 
end of the text file (attached).

I hope it fits the purpose
 
If any italian speaker has 5 minutes to spare having a look at it I 
would be glad to incorporate any correction.

 
In the meanwhile I will try to register to the wiki and add the 
translated version myself, if possible.


 
Cheers,
 
Antonio
 
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:36 AM, dev1fanboy  
wrote:
Just wanted to mention if anyone wants to send me translations that 
would be great. Please use CC-BY-SA 4.0 for anything you translate, 
and add copyright information appropriately (check CC-BY-SA 4.0).


On a related topic, someone sent me an italian translation before 
but I have lost the mails during migrating a mail account.




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Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Thanks for the translation, since there's more than one translations
being offered I will try updating the original
(https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan-and-minimalism)
so people can continue with their translations.

If anyone has a single translation, they can inbox it to me or they can
upload it wherever they like and I'll link to them.

If someone wants to attempt doing more translations, I suggest a
seperate devuan git account instance until I can get my head round all
the nuances of git to enable the necessary features.

Also using http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php is a good idea if
you feel like it, as I'll pay attention to this and link any
translations or new guides.

I'll add what's been posted already in plain text to begin with so that
I don't lose anything this time.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:30 PM, Emiliano Marini
wrote:

Here you have your guide translated to Spanish (Español).
I'm from Argentina but I tried to keep it as neutral as possible:
español/castellano

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_given_to_the_Spanish_language
Cheers!
Emiliano.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Antonio Trkdz.tab
wrote:

Hi Dev1fanboy,
I revised the translation (italian) and added The CC html code at
the end of the text file (attached).

I hope it fits the purpose
If any italian speaker has 5 minutes to spare having a look at it I
would be glad to incorporate any correction.

In the meanwhile I will try to register to the wiki and add the
translated version myself, if possible.

Cheers,
Antonio
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:36 AM, dev1fanboy
wrote:
Just wanted to mention if anyone wants to send me translations that
would be great. Please use CC-BY-SA 4.0 for anything you translate,
and add copyright information appropriately (check CC-BY-SA 4.0).

On a related topic, someone sent me an italian translation before
but I have lost the mails during migrating a mail account.

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