Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Svante Signell]

On Fri, 2017-07-28 at 07:27 +1000, Ralph Ronnquist wrote:
> Yes, I don't know why it's built, and I'm not sure what it is, but
> it 
> came with the release building. Presumably some setting could be
> changed 
> to avoid it, but I haven't looked into it. So far I've managed to
> just 
> ignore it :-)

> > There is no package named vdev-dbgsym in debian/control:
> > 
> > http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/v/vdev/

FYI: They are built automagically. See e.g. eudev's debian/control file
is missing a dbgsym file too  :)
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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Ralph Ronnquist]

Yes, I don't know why it's built, and I'm not sure what it is, but it 
came with the release building. Presumably some setting could be changed 
to avoid it, but I haven't looked into it. So far I've managed to just 
ignore it :-)


regards,

Ralph.

aitor_czr wrote on 28/07/17 02:24:

Hi Ralph,

On 07/18/2017 05:54 AM, Ralph Ronnquist  wrote:

debhttp://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/  experimental main
deb-srchttp://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/  experimental main


There is no package named vdev-dbgsym in debian/control:

http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/v/vdev/

???

Cheers,

  Aitor.

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[aitor_czr]

Hi Ralph,

On 07/18/2017 05:54 AM, Ralph Ronnquist  wrote:

debhttp://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/  experimental main
deb-srchttp://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/  experimental main


There is no package named vdev-dbgsym in debian/control:

http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/v/vdev/

???

Cheers,

  Aitor.




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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 04:27:44PM -0400, Fungi4All wrote:
> Are all the bug reports going to bugs.debian.whoreg?


No, they shouldn't, as you can see here:

  http://bugs.devuan.org

Which version of reportbug are you using? On which release?

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:26:42AM -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:

[cut]

> 
> If I understand it very well to you.
> 
> The problem is that I do not know how to proceed since it is not a package.
> The problem is the release file, which must have the name of the codename and 
> not have none.

Please file the bug tpo the package "amprolla".

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

- Original Message - 
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>
To: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement


> On Tuesday 18 July 2017 at 15:59:01, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
> 
>> >- Original Message -
>> >From: "KatolaZ" <kato...@freaknet.org>
>> >To: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:32 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement
>> >
>> >And also, could you please file a bug report on bugs.devuan.org?
>> 
>> I have never used it and I do not know how to do it. I do not know if it's
>> too much for you to do for me.
> 
> Have you looked at http://bugs.devuan.org/Reporting.html ?
> 
> You can even submit a report by email - it can't get much simpler than that :)
> 
> 
> Antony.
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If I understand it very well to you.

The problem is that I do not know how to proceed since it is not a package.
The problem is the release file, which must have the name of the codename and 
not have none.
has:
Codename: none
should have:
Codename: experimental

Anyway send me a message, I do not know if it's the right way.

The message read as follows:
subject: Hello says 'idonis'

Package: Release
Version: experimental

Has on the line:
Codename: none

Must possess:
Codename: experimental

This prevents me from downloading the repositories to my PC.
Which prevents me from using devuan in places where there is no Internet 
access.

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:59:01AM -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
> >- Original Message - From: "KatolaZ" <kato...@freaknet.org>
> >To: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:32 AM
> >Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement
> >
> >And also, could you please file a bug report on bugs.devuan.org?
> 
> I have never used it and I do not know how to do it. I do not know if it's
> too much for you to do for me.

You use the "reportbug" tool, which should be already installed in
your system. It's not like I don't want to do it, rather it is far
better if more and more Devuan users are able to report bugs: it's a
very good way of helping Devuan out.

So please consider giving a try to reportbug (it's not difficult), and
thank you in advance for your time :)

> 
> From now thank you for your time, which if I would be very useful to solve
> this problem. Not only to me but to many people in my country since we here
> many are deprived of the connectivity so that for their use we are forced to
> download the repository locally. I do not know if this happens in other
> countries.
> 

I really understand the problem. Please try using apt-mirror in the
meanwhile.

HND

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Antony Stone]

On Tuesday 18 July 2017 at 15:59:01, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:

> >- Original Message -
> >From: "KatolaZ" <kato...@freaknet.org>
> >To: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:32 AM
> >Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement
> >
> >And also, could you please file a bug report on bugs.devuan.org?
> 
> I have never used it and I do not know how to do it. I do not know if it's
> too much for you to do for me.

Have you looked at http://bugs.devuan.org/Reporting.html ?

You can even submit a report by email - it can't get much simpler than that :)


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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

- Original Message - 
From: "KatolaZ" <kato...@freaknet.org>

To: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement

And also, could you please file a bug report on bugs.devuan.org?


I have never used it and I do not know how to do it. I do not know if it's 
too much for you to do for me.


From now thank you for your time, which if I would be very useful to solve 
this problem. Not only to me but to many people in my country since we here 
many are deprived of the connectivity so that for their use we are forced to 
download the repository locally. I do not know if this happens in other 
countries.




Thanks

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 09:46:40AM -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
> 
> English is not my native language, so I may not explain it well.
> Try the following script and you will notice the error that is giving me
> when trying to download the repository for my pc.
> That does not happen to me either with jessie or ascii
> 

OK, I see your point now. It seems that the Release file generated
under /devuan/dists/experimental contains :

Origin: Devuan
Label: Master
Suite: experimental
Version: 1.0.0
Codename: None


while the one downloaded from ftp.debian.org is more like:

Origin: Debian
Label: Debian
Suite: experimental
Codename: experimental
...

and apparently debmirror doesn't like it (notice the "Codename: None"
vs "Codename: experimental"). It must be something peculiar to
debmirror though, since apt, apt-get, aptitute, and synaptic (and also
apt-mirror, AFAIK) do not seem to be affected. There is no doubt we
should fix it, but maybe you can try apt-mirror of debmirror in the
meanwhile?

And also, could you please file a bug report on bugs.devuan.org?

Thanks

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

- Original Message - 
From: "KatolaZ" <kato...@freaknet.org>

To: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement



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English is not my native language, so I may not explain it well.
Try the following script and you will notice the error that is giving me 
when trying to download the repository for my pc.

That does not happen to me either with jessie or ascii

#!/bin/sh
if pidof -x $(basename $0) > /dev/null; then
 for p in $(pidof -x $(basename $0)); do
   if [ $p -ne $$ ]; then
 exit
   fi
 done
fi
ARQUITECTURA=i386,amd64
METODO=http
RAMA=experimental
HOST=auto.mirror.devuan.org
DIR_MIRROR=/mnt/datos/sistemas/linux/devuan/experimental
SECCIONES=main
echo "Updating repositories DEVUAN 'experimental'; main"
debmirror -a ${ARQUITECTURA} \
-s ${SECCIONES} \
-h ${HOST}/devuan \
-d ${RAMA} -r / --progress \
-e
${METODO} --postcleanup --ignore-small-errors --ignore-missing-release 
--ignore-release-gpg
--nosource --allow-dist-rename \
--diff=none \
${DIR_MIRROR}


***
If you try this other you will see that it works correctly
***

#!/bin/sh
if pidof -x $(basename $0) > /dev/null; then
 for p in $(pidof -x $(basename $0)); do
   if [ $p -ne $$ ]; then
 exit
   fi
 done
fi
ARQUITECTURA=i386,amd64
METODO=http
RAMA=ascii
HOST=auto.mirror.devuan.org
DIR_MIRROR=/mnt/datos/sistemas/linux/devuan/ascii/ascii
SECCIONES=main/debian-installer,main,contrib,non-free
echo "Updating repositories DEVUAN 'merged'; main/debian-installer, main, 
contrib, non-free"

debmirror -a ${ARQUITECTURA} \
-s ${SECCIONES} \
-h ${HOST}/merged \
-d ${RAMA} -r / --progress \
-e
${METODO} --postcleanup --ignore-small-errors --ignore-missing-release 
--ignore-release-gpg
--nosource --allow-dist-rename \
--diff=none \
${DIR_MIRROR}


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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 09:22:11AM -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:

[cut]

> 
> I'm trying to download it locally because I use it without internet access.
> 
> Where I live very few people have access to the internet and in their homes
> practically nobody, that is why usually the one who has access to the
> internet downloads it and then is used in the local pc, for it is written in
> the source .list for example:
> Deb file: /// mnt / data / systems / linux / devuan / jessie / jessie /
> jessie non-free contrib main
>

But this is not for experimental, rather for Jessie...

According to the script you showed below:

[cut]

> ARQUITECTURA=i386,amd64
> METODO=http
> RAMA=experimental
> HOST=auto.mirror.devuan.org
> DIR_MIRROR=/mnt/datos/sistemas/linux/devuan/experimental
> SECCIONES=main
>

...your deb line in sources.list should look like:

  deb file:///mnt/datos/sistemas/linux/devuan/ experimental main

note the space between "devuan/" and "experimental". I might have
totally missed your point though, but the error you showed a few mails
back is typical of a wrong repo path. 

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

- Original Message - 
From: "KatolaZ" <kato...@freaknet.org>

To: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement



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I'm trying to download it locally because I use it without internet access.

Where I live very few people have access to the internet and in their homes 
practically nobody, that is why usually the one who has access to the 
internet downloads it and then is used in the local pc, for it is written in 
the source .list for example:
Deb file: /// mnt / data / systems / linux / devuan / jessie / jessie / 
jessie non-free contrib main


The script I have to download the reset is as follows:
#!/bin/sh
if pidof -x $(basename $0) > /dev/null; then
 for p in $(pidof -x $(basename $0)); do
   if [ $p -ne $$ ]; then
 exit
   fi
 done
fi
ARQUITECTURA=i386,amd64
METODO=http
RAMA=experimental
HOST=auto.mirror.devuan.org
DIR_MIRROR=/mnt/datos/sistemas/linux/devuan/experimental
SECCIONES=main

echo "="
echo "Actualizando los repositorios DEVUAN 'experimental'; main"
echo "="
echo ""
debmirror -a ${ARQUITECTURA} \
-s ${SECCIONES} \
-h ${HOST}/devuan \
-d ${RAMA} -r / --progress \
-e 
${METODO} --postcleanup --ignore-small-errors --ignore-missing-release --ignore-release-gpg 
--nosource --allow-dist-rename \

--diff=none \
${DIR_MIRROR}


*
However, the main repository script does work:

#!/bin/sh
if pidof -x $(basename $0) > /dev/null; then
 for p in $(pidof -x $(basename $0)); do
   if [ $p -ne $$ ]; then
 exit
   fi
 done
fi
ARQUITECTURA=i386,amd64
METODO=http
RAMA=ascii
HOST=auto.mirror.devuan.org
DIR_MIRROR=/mnt/datos/sistemas/linux/devuan/ascii/ascii
SECCIONES=main/debian-installer,main,contrib,non-free

echo 
"="
echo "Actualizando los repositorios DEVUAN 'merged'; main/debian-installer, 
main, contrib, non-free"
echo 
"="

echo ""
debmirror -a ${ARQUITECTURA} \
-s ${SECCIONES} \
-h ${HOST}/merged \
-d ${RAMA} -r / --progress \
-e 
${METODO} --postcleanup --ignore-small-errors --ignore-missing-release --ignore-release-gpg 
--nosource --allow-dist-rename \

--diff=none \
${DIR_MIRROR}


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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 08:56:11AM -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:

[cutting-off-a-whole-bunch-of-irrelevant-lines]

> 
> The problem is that try to download
> http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan//dists/None/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
> 
> And should download:
> http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan//dists/experimental/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
> 
> To my understanding the problem is in the Release file on the line that
> says:

could you please show the precise line you are using to in your
sources.list to include the experimental repo?

Thanks

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 08:43:11AM -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
> - Original Message - From: "Arnt Karlsen" 

[a-276-lines-long-cut-of-mostly-irrelevant-stuff]

Could I just encourage all of us to please have a fresh look at one of
the links below:

- http://www.kassj.com/netiquette/netiquette.html#5
- https://earlydues.usanethosting.com/ieel/netiquette.htm#quote
- https://www.lifewire.com/quoting-original-email-message-1165432

These are just the first few results I got by googling "email quoting
netiquette". Pick any other you like. They shouls say more or less the
same thing (i.e., something in the lines of "...avoid quoting 276
lines when replying just to the last three lines of an email...")

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

- Original Message - 
From: "Arnt Karlsen" <a...@iaksess.no>

To: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement



On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:08:02 -0400, Ismael wrote in message
<f65eae143dc34513a04cd7d115dc5...@natio.co.cu>:

- Original Message - 
From: "Arnt Karlsen" <a...@iaksess.no>

To: "Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky" <phao...@gmail.com>
Cc: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement


> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:46:26 +0800, Yevgeny wrote in message
> 

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

- Original Message - 
From: "Arnt Karlsen" <a...@iaksess.no>

To: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement



On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:08:02 -0400, Ismael wrote in message
<f65eae143dc34513a04cd7d115dc5...@natio.co.cu>:

- Original Message - 
From: "Arnt Karlsen" <a...@iaksess.no>

To: "Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky" <phao...@gmail.com>
Cc: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement


> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:46:26 +0800, Yevgeny wrote in message
> 

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Ralph Ronnquist]

Steve Litt wrote on 18/07/17 06:10:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:19:18 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:


On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 06:02:26PM +0800, Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky wrote:

Thanks! Looks like I've missed this repo :)



Ok, be careful though, since stuff in experimental can be broken and
break other things, so you are warned :)


1: Is there a way I can install vdev and only vdev from experimental?
   How?


a) ensure the experimental repository is among the sources, e.g. add a 
file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-experimental.list with the content 
(2 lines):


deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/ experimental main
deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/ experimental main

b) (personal choice) add "pinning" of these packages, e.g. by adding a 
file /etc/apt/preferences.d/reluctant-experimental, with the content (3 
lines):


Package: *
Pin: release a=experimental
Pin-Priority: 80

(I have 80; other people use 100 or 10.)

c) apt-get update

d) apt-get install -t experimental vdev

The last step should then install the vdev package, including the 
replacement library for libudev1, and the init script. It will also stow 
away bits of the udev installation so as to allow a later udev choice 
(not reinstalling). See below.


Further, it will install the vdev init script overriding the udev init 
scripts, and it will replace udev in the initram building.




2: Is there a way I can later go back to udev? How?


With some luck, the support script /usr/share/vdev/vdev-install.sh will 
help you with that. You tell it your choice of either "vdev" or "udev", 
and it changes your system accordingly if needed.


It's worth to note that "vdev" only manages the /dev and it ignores all 
udev rules, in particular those that include running various scripts 
upon hardware changes. If those are important to you, you should rather 
consider using "eudev" which basically is a different udev 
implementation (although trailing any udev development), and thus aims 
to deal with the udev rules files in pretty much the way udev does.


Ralph.


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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

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New release of the Manjaro OpenRC Xfce ISO.
As a reference this is from my second most favorite distro and it is 
current/recent.
I believe up until 16.*** the transition from systemd to openrc was viable and
documented. Since then most efforts result in breaking everything, so they
have managed to produce OpenRC isos. Like it is a virus, the further the cow-web
evolves the harder it is to sterilize.

New release of the Manjaro OpenRC Xfce ISO.
Packages include:
Linux 4.9.34
OpenRC 0.26.3
Eudev 3.2.2
Elogind 229.6
Main changes:
Includes newer version of the Calamares which fixes a bug that generated weak 
password hashes (link).
This build experiments with a hybrid ALSA Pulseaudio setup in which PulseAudio 
uses the ALSA dmix backend (link11) and is configured to start only when an 
application uses/needs it. For people who do not want it it should be easy to 
remove with pacman -Rs pulseaudio pavucontrol, while for people who have 
trouble with plain ALSA but pulse works for them out of the box can enable it 
by default adding PulseAudio to startup (Settings -> Session and Startup -> 
Start Pulseaudio sound server), and reverting the changes done 
to/etc/pulse/default.conf (link11).
Firefox has replaced Palemoon. Since version 54 Firefox seems smoother and more 
responsive than before (on real hardware, in virtualbox it seems slower) due to 
multi process rendering; for older, less powerful systems or if you just prefer 
it, Palemoon can be installed with pacman -S palemoon-bin like it was in the 
previous version of the ISO.
Download:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjaro-openrc-dev/files/17.0.2/24
Possible issues:
The mute key on the keyboard (generating a XF86AudioMute event) or mute 
shortcut on the volumeicon may not work correctly in this hybrid ALSA pulse 
system; as a workaround it have included a script mute-unmute-audio (in 
/usr/local/bin) which may work.
If the script works a keybind can be added for it (also let me know so that if 
a large number of people experience this issue it can be used by default). 
Relevant link here.
P.S.
Let me know if the hybrid ALSA PulseAudio system works or we should switch to 
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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:41:05 +0200, Adam wrote in message 
<20170717214105.wdl77u6byfgtn...@angband.pl>:

> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 04:10:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > 1: Is there a way I can install vdev and only vdev from
> > experimental? How?
> 
> Nothing ever gets installed from experimental unless you explicitly
> say so.

...by inserting " -t experimental " between "apt-get|aptitude \
install" and the package names you want to install.

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 16:08:22 -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote in message 
<3077089df6720e694d19fe6a8b807...@dyne.org>:

> On 2017-07-17 15:10, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:19:18 +0100
> > KatolaZ  wrote:
> > 
> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 06:02:26PM +0800, Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky
> >> wrote:
> >> > Thanks! Looks like I've missed this repo :)
> >> >
> >> 
> >> Ok, be careful though, since stuff in experimental can be broken
> >> and break other things, so you are warned :)
> > 
> > 1: Is there a way I can install vdev and only vdev from
> > experimental? How?

..my way was add the experimental lines to /etc/apt/sources.list, 
then fire up aptitude, hit "u", and then pick vdev and whichever
dependencies it needs. 

> > 2: Is there a way I can later go back to udev? How?

..dunno, I ain't going back to systemd-udev. ;o)
 
> There have been detailed discussions on #devuan.  This search will
> take you to the times they were happening. Click on the specific time
> to get to the full exchanges:
> 
> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=vdev
> 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > SteveT


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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:08:02 -0400, Ismael wrote in message 
<f65eae143dc34513a04cd7d115dc5...@natio.co.cu>:

> - Original Message - 
> From: "Arnt Karlsen" <a...@iaksess.no>
> To: "Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky" <phao...@gmail.com>
> Cc: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement
> 
> 
> > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:46:26 +0800, Yevgeny wrote in message
> > 

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[golinux]

On 2017-07-17 15:10, Steve Litt wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:19:18 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:


On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 06:02:26PM +0800, Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky wrote:
> Thanks! Looks like I've missed this repo :)
>

Ok, be careful though, since stuff in experimental can be broken and
break other things, so you are warned :)


1: Is there a way I can install vdev and only vdev from experimental?
   How?

2: Is there a way I can later go back to udev? How?



There have been detailed discussions on #devuan.  This search will take 
you to the times they were happening. Click on the specific time to get 
to the full exchanges:


https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=vdev



Thanks,

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:19:18 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 06:02:26PM +0800, Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky wrote:
> > Thanks! Looks like I've missed this repo :)
> >   
> 
> Ok, be careful though, since stuff in experimental can be broken and
> break other things, so you are warned :)

1: Is there a way I can install vdev and only vdev from experimental?
   How?

2: Is there a way I can later go back to udev? How?

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

- Original Message - 
From: "Arnt Karlsen" <a...@iaksess.no>

To: "Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky" <phao...@gmail.com>
Cc: <dng@lists.dyne.org>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement



On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:46:26 +0800, Yevgeny wrote in message

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Adam Borowski]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:37:00PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> ..add these "experimental" lines, and re-try 'apt-get update':
> root@box:/var/cache/apt/archives# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> ...
> 
> # /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-experimental.list
> # 
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental main 
> 
> ..once you have vdev installed and working, you may consider 
> commenting my "experimental" lines out.  

No need, packages don't get installed from experimental except for:
* your explicit request
* chosen package not existing in higher-priority sources
* upgrades for packages from experimental

The last one is important: when there's a new version, you want it updated,
especially for work in progress like vdev or eudev.


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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:46:26 +0800, Yevgeny wrote in message 

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[KatolaZ]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 06:02:26PM +0800, Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky wrote:
> Thanks! Looks like I've missed this repo :)
> 

Ok, be careful though, since stuff in experimental can be broken and
break other things, so you are warned :)

HND

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky]

Thanks! Looks like I've missed this repo :)

On 17 July 2017 at 17:53, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 05:46:26PM +0800, Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > thanks for response.
> > Do you know repositories where to get them (vdev/eudev)? I am not finding
> > both in any of devuan repos.
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> both vdev abd eudev are in experimental:
>
>   deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ experimental main
>
> HTH
>
> KatolaZ
>
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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[KatolaZ]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 05:46:26PM +0800, Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> thanks for response.
> Do you know repositories where to get them (vdev/eudev)? I am not finding
> both in any of devuan repos.
> 

Hi,

both vdev abd eudev are in experimental:

  deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ experimental main

HTH

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky]

Hi,

thanks for response.
Do you know repositories where to get them (vdev/eudev)? I am not finding
both in any of devuan repos.

On 17 July 2017 at 17:44, Arnt Karlsen  wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:23:14 +0800, Yevgeny wrote in message
> :
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I have just subscribed recently.
> > Could someone please enlighten me on the current udev replacement
> > status? I found there was vdev project but it looks abandoned (?)
> > Is there any other?
> >
>
> ..I'm on experimental vdev-0.1.2, upgraded from jessie vdev-0.1.1.
> We also have eudev.
>
> ..my understanding is much of the systemd-udev development is "just"
> obfuscation, to cover up systemd's true purpose and capabilities.
> My understanding comes from my experience with "banana republic"
> and Cold War politics.
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Re: [DNG] udev replacement

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:23:14 +0800, Yevgeny wrote in message 
:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have just subscribed recently.
> Could someone please enlighten me on the current udev replacement
> status? I found there was vdev project but it looks abandoned (?)
> Is there any other?
> 

..I'm on experimental vdev-0.1.2, upgraded from jessie vdev-0.1.1.
We also have eudev.

..my understanding is much of the systemd-udev development is "just"
obfuscation, to cover up systemd's true purpose and capabilities.  
My understanding comes from my experience with "banana republic"
and Cold War politics.

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