Re: Question on Apache OpenOffice

[Dave]

I think there should be no problem. I myself had some sorry experience with
LibreOffice using the function Edit -> Changes -> Record and Accept or
Reject. I do a lot of translation work and me and a colleague use this
function a lot. She checks my translations and makes suggestions which I
either accept or reject. Now her suggestions including the original text
simply melted away before my very eyes.  This is admittedly a long time
ago. When I pointed this out to the LibreOffice team, they denied this, and
after I proved that I was right, they answered: why are you complaining,
our software is free. This is an example of the arrogance of the LO team. I
myself use only Linux, but here again a similar problem: practically all
distributions come with LibreOffice, instead of giving users the choice. I
recommend Linux Mint which is easy to use and facilitates free choice of
software.

On Mon 21. Aug 2023 at 16:16, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming <
tdtemc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Subject: Question on Apache OpenOffice
>
> Good day from Singapore,
>
> I already have LibreOffice installed on my Windows 10 Aftershock
> gaming laptop. Can I still install Apache OpenOffice?
>
> Will there be any conflicts? Will LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice be
> able to live side by side?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
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Re: "Open Office" in Australia

[Dave]

Very definitely risk of confusion. What made this company opt for our name?
Was it on purpose?

On Mon 27. Mar 2023 at 00:20, Keith N. McKenna 
wrote:

> Matthias Seidel wrote:
> > *If* this would be a conflict, then the ASF would need to take action.
> >
> > Am 26.03.23 um 17:08 schrieb Simon Phipps:
> >> Thanks David - looks like a clear risk of confusion with Apache's
> trademark
> >> that the PMC needs to consider and most likely act on.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Simon
> >>
> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, 07:51 David Robley,  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just came across this - https://openoffice.com.au/ Are they
> encroaching
> >>> on AOO in any way, such as name?
> >>>
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>
> It is time to take this to private@
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Re: [GitHub] [openoffice-docs] knmc commented on issue #92: Review of complete Getting Started book (AOO41GS.odt

[Dave Barton]

On 07/11/2022 17:28, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 07/11/2022 17:02, GitBox wrote:
>>>
>>> knmc commented on issue #92:
>>> URL:
>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-docs/issues/92#issuecomment-1305913177
>>>
>>>
>>>     That is precisely the one to review Francis. Thank you for checking.
>>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> I have downloaded a copy of the AOO41GS.odt file. I am prepared to also
>> review it if you think yet another pair of eyes might be helpful.
>>
>> Regards
>> Dave
>>
> The more eyes the better. We have had problems getting this right due to
> issues with AOO, and it is high time that we were able to publish it
> 
> Also, who do I attribute you as having contributed to the book.
> 
> Regards
> Keith

We are in total agreement that it is way past time when we need to
publish some up-to-date documentation.

Not sure that a review is strictly speaking a contribution, Although the
2010 Getting Started 3.3 edition preface shows:

Contributors
OpenOffice.org
Jean Hollis Weber  Michele Zarri
Magnus Adielsson   Thomas Astleitner
Richard Barnes Agnes Belzunce
Chris BondeNicole Cairns
Daniel Carrera JiHui Choi
Richard Detwiler   Alexander Noël Dunne
Laurent Duperval   Spencer E. Harpe
Regina HenschelPeter Hillier-Brook
Richard Holt   John Kane
Rachel Kartch  Stefan A. Keel
Jared KobosMichael Kotsarinis
Peter Kupfer   Ian Laurenson
Dan Lewis  Alan Madden
Michel PinquierAndrew Pitonyak
Carol Roberts  Iain Roberts
Hazel Russman  Gary Schnabl
Robert Scott   Joe Sellman
Janet Swisher  Jim Taylor
Alex Thurgood  Barbara M. Tobias
Claire WoodLinda Worthington

And the 2013 3.4 edition adds:

Contributors
LibreOffice
Ron Faile Jr.  Jeremy Cartwright
Jean Hollis Weber  Martin Fox
Andrew PitonyakHazel Russman
John A Smith   David Michel
Peter SchofieldDan Lewis

It may well be that the preface of the 2022 4.1 edition is yet to be
finalized, but at this stage there does not appear to be any
acknowledgement of previous contributors. Since this and previous
editions of the guide are adaptations of the original oooauthors
publication, it seems only fair and reasonable that previous
contributors should be acknowledged.

I have no great interest in attribution, but if you wish you can add me
(Dave Barton) to the above mentioned contributors when I have finished
and submitted my review.

Regards
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Re: [GitHub] [openoffice-docs] knmc commented on issue #92: Review of complete Getting Started book (AOO41GS.odt

[Dave]

On 07/11/2022 17:02, GitBox wrote:
> 
> knmc commented on issue #92:
> URL: 
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-docs/issues/92#issuecomment-1305913177
> 
>That is precisely the one to review Francis. Thank you for checking.

Hi Keith,

I have downloaded a copy of the AOO41GS.odt file. I am prepared to also
review it if you think yet another pair of eyes might be helpful.

Regards
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Re: [GitHub] [openoffice-docs] knmc commented on issue #91: Table of Contents for AOO41GS.odt Cannot be used to go directly to a location in the Document

[Dave]

Thanks Dennis,

I never thought about that aspect of PDF exports. Good point.

Dave



On Fri 21. Oct 2022 at 17:30, Dennis Hamilton  wrote:

> Dave, the usability of Tables of Contents and the ability to navigate
> around certainly has different UX depending on the product.  Users may be
> happy with the mileage they get with their particular productivity software
> and how it may or may not have evolved over time.
>
> However, if the goal is to produce stable PDFs for AOO documentation, one
> needs to have the linking that will work for exports to PDF (along with
> forward and back navigation in the PDF viewer, assuming users know how to
> turn it on).  It seems to me that should be the target UX here.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave 
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 01:28
> To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [GitHub] [openoffice-docs] knmc commented on issue #91: Table
> of Contents for AOO41GS.odt Cannot be used to go directly to a location in
> the Document
>
> This is not a bug, in fact this is an advantage. The Table of Contents
> (TOC) is a passive reflection of the chapter structure and does NOT get
> updated automatically. To update it is Tools > Update. If you want to jump
> to a particular chapter, use the the Navigator (key F5 or menu View). The
> Navigator not only allows you to jump to chapters, it allows you to move
> them up or down etc. Openoffice's way of going about this is far superior
> to Word's.
>
> On Thu 20. Oct 2022 at 21:08, GitBox  wrote:
>
> >
> > knmc commented on issue #91:
> > URL:
> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith
> > ub.com%2Fapache%2Fopenoffice-docs%2Fissues%2F91%23issuecomment-1286014
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> >
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Re: [GitHub] [openoffice-docs] knmc commented on issue #91: Table of Contents for AOO41GS.odt Cannot be used to go directly to a location in the Document

[Dave]

This is not a bug, in fact this is an advantage. The Table of Contents
(TOC) is a passive reflection of the chapter structure and does NOT get
updated automatically. To update it is Tools > Update. If you want to jump
to a particular chapter, use the the Navigator (key F5 or menu View). The
Navigator not only allows you to jump to chapters, it allows you to move
them up or down etc. Openoffice's way of going about this is far superior
to Word's.

On Thu 20. Oct 2022 at 21:08, GitBox  wrote:

>
> knmc commented on issue #91:
> URL:
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-docs/issues/91#issuecomment-1286014273
>
>Closed TOC is now working.
>
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Re: Print copies of Getting Started Guide?

[Dave]

I too think that a print version is a welcome idea.

On Thu 9. Jun 2022 at 19:43, Keith N. McKenna 
wrote:

> Jean Weber wrote:
> > Now that the Getting Started Guide for v4.1 is finished, what do you
> > think about making printed copies available? As some of you know, I
> > did this for OOo (and have been doing it for LO), publishing
> > print-on-demand through Lulu .com and selling at only a bit above cost
> > price as a service to those users who prefer a book on paper.
> >
> > Jean
> >
> Jean;
>
> In general I would be in favor of it. I myself much prefer a bound book
> that I can mark-up and dog-ear pages.
>
> If you would send me details of all that would be involved, including
> any costs associated with it, I cam discuss it with the team, as well as
> take it to dev@ or the PMC as needed.
>
> If others that are following the list have thoughts on this Please feel
> free to share them.
>
> Regards
> Keith
>
> Regards
> Keith
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Re: Repository Organization

[Dave]

Would a Document/Chapter "Status" spreadsheet be a possible option?
Whereby a contributor "checks out" a file they will be working on by
updating the spreadsheet and updates again upon returning the file.

On 05/02/2021 19:29, Dennis Hamilton wrote:
> Oh.  I would have thought the starting base documents would go in there 
> first.  Under an OOo3.2 or something.
> 
> How are Frances and Marcia avoiding collisions and/or duplication ?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Keith N. McKenna  
> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 10:30
> To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Repository Organization
> 
> [orcmid] [ ... ]
> 
> Both Frances and Marcia are marking up possible changes to Jean's taming aoo 
> book and nothing is in the repository yet as it was just created a couple of 
> days ago.
> 
> Regards
> Keith

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Re: [PROPOSAL] restructuring build documentation

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Arrigo,

I really appreciate your enthusiasm and excellent help on AOO!

There was another thread where we discussed moving devtools to git.

I think this would be the perfect time to move/rewrite build instructions as 
markdown files on these GitHub repos:

Apache/openoffice - README.md
Apache/openoffice-project source.md
A new Apache/openoffice-devtools

I would deprecate the Wiki instructions.

Regards,
Dave

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 5:05 AM, Arrigo Marchiori  wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I am cross-posting to dev@ and doc@ because... I am not sure which one
> fits best. Please excuse me if this is wrong, and only reply on the
> correct list.
> 
> I personally find building OpenOffice a bit too difficult today, in
> terms of _understanding_ what needs to be done. We have build
> instructions on the Wiki, build scripts on a SVN repository, but IMHO
> a little ``integration'' among these pieces would help every newcomers
> (like me) to get a big picture, complete the first successful build
> and start helping with the code.
> 
> Here are my ideas. I don't know if these topics were already discussed
> before my subscription to this list; if so, kindly send me a pointer
> so I can avoid you repeating ideas that are already consolidated.
> 
> I would like to propose the following layout on the Wiki:
> 
>  - build instructions for trunk (currently
>https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO
>that needs some updating anyway, such as removing SVN)
> 
>- specialized build instructions for trunk on individual
>  O.S. (Linux, Windows, BSD etc)
> 
> - build instructions for the latest release (4.1.8)
> 
>- specialized build instructions for the latest release on
>  individual O.S.
> 
> The distinction between trunk and release is IMHO necessary. For
> example, Jim is doing a very good work of updating core parts of the
> build system, and this changes for one the initial call to the
> configure script.  In addition, deprecated information such as the SVN
> repository could be deleted from the trunk build instructions, and
> only remain in the once-applicable instructions.
> 
> The current build scripts on SVN should be explicitly indicated in the
> instructions, so that everyone will be able to get (almost) the exact
> same release build, as what they can download from the web site.
> 
> Moreover, having very clear instructions could make DevOps experience
> useful, if we ever need it. For those subscribed to the recruitment
> mailing list: yes, I am referring to a recent email received
> there. :-)
> 
> When a new release is out, a ``snapshot'' of the trunk build
> instructions will become the release's build instructions. Similarly
> to a git or SVN branch. The trunk instructions always document... the
> trunk.
> 
> If the above is approved, I will be willing to help achieving it. The
> roadmap I can think of is the following:
> 
> 1- copy the current build instructions to a "release" build
> instructions page.
> 
> 2- fix the "release" build pages (starting from going back in the
> page history) so that they contain the actual steps to build AOO
> 4.1.8.
> 
> 3- remove outdated parts from the trunk build instructions (such as
> the SVN repository)
> 
> Thank you in advance for your feedback and comments!
> 
> Best regards,
> --
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> 
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Wiki Publisher

[Dave]

In another post:
> On 28/11/2020 08:57, Matthias Seidel wrote:> Hi Francis, all,
>> 
>> Until the Wiki Publisher gets uploaded to our extension site, it can be
>> found here:
>> 
>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/wiki-publisher.oxt
>> 
>> Please test, I was able to do basic stuff, but in general everything
>> should work now.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>Matthias

Over the years I have looked several times at the Wiki Publisher as a
possible tool for the maintenance of our documentation wiki.

While it is true that it is possible to connect this edition of the Wiki
Publisher to our wiki, I have never found a way to use it for editing
existing wiki pages. Any thoughts or pointers?

Regards
Dave

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Re: Applying as Technical Writer

[Dave]

Please have a look at my documentation for students at openoffice-uni.org.
Would be grateful.

On Tue 9. Jun 2020 at 06:03, F Campos Costero  wrote:

> Hello Kerin,
> Thank you for volunteering to support Apache OpenOffice! I have just
> started to help with the documentation, so I cannot provide a lot of
> guidance at the moment. I have been doing user support on the forum for
> about ten years, so I am familiar with the project in general. Keith
> McKenna will probably be the person who can provide the most guidance and I
> hope you will hear from him within the next day.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Francis
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:28 PM Kerin Khan  wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > My name is Kerin. I am a 3rd-year Cognitive Science student at UC
> Berkeley.
> > I have 2 years of experience building Javascript, Html, and CSS
> projects. I
> > want to contribute to the technical documentation for a duration of 6
> > months. I could help 10 hours per week. I look forward to hearing from
> you.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Kerin
> >
>

Re: Unsubscribe from Mailing List

[Dave Barton]

Hi Sherry,

No apology necessary, it's a very easy thing to miss or overlook.

Kind Regards
Dave

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Re: OpenOffice Documentation offensive ;)

[Dave]

Hi Peter,

I unfortunately don't have time to put more work in, but i did write a
documentation especially for students:

openoffice-uni.org

Perhaps you could have a look at it.

Yours
Dave

On Sun 19. May 2019 at 09:35, Peter Kovacs  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> Sorry to disturb you all. My name is Peter. I am the current Chairman,
> and PMC member. I also have an eye on recruitment. From time to time
> people volunteer to work on documentation. I point them on documentation
> list, sometimes I see some stuff is done, but to me it is unclear how it
> evolves. And I have the feeling it just does not start through. Now I
> would like to try a different approach, because a volunteer Sandor,
> wrote to recruitment.
>
> I want to try to gather a team of 3+ volunteers who are interested to
> work on documentation together. I put a list up of people who have shown
> some Interest in one way or another within Documentation as an initial
> test ballon. And the result is this email you are receiving. You are on
> this list because you have shown interest in the past, or you are
> subscribed on our public documentation list.
>
>
> Please if you are not interested to put work into OpenOffice or this
> Offensive, just inform me. It is Ok.
>
>
> The vision:
>
>  The vision is to build a documentary task force, that will handle
> documentation. First activity would be to conduct an investiture of what
> we have. Then we need to make a plan / set a goal and create a backlog
> from this, collecting all things we think needs to be done.
>
> A backlog is a action/task/requirement list, which is prioritize by
> order. (most important element is on top.).
>
>
> Please consider if you are available and interested for this task. We
> will work without any hierarchy, or command structure. All will be
> equal! You will be self responsible to keep your commitment up. I think
> minimal time required to participate will be 1 "evening" per week as any
> other hobby you may be active in.
>
>
> We are not able to pay you. Your work is totally voluntary, "pro Bono"
> as I like to call it. If the PMC sees movement in documentation we will
> evaluate committer status.
>
> Hope to hear from you. Positive or negative civilized it is appreciated.
> or additional Ideas. :)
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
>
> All the best
>
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Re: New Doc Volunteer

[Dave]

Dear Andrew,

over a period of seven years (14 university terms) I developed a
documentation specially aimed at students, though not students in science
courses. It is available in five languages so far, I myself did the German,
English and French versions. It includes an online exercise, though I
myself did a live introductory course (in my last batch it was altogether
14 groups of around 20 to 30 students, two or three per pc). In the first
hour or so I did just a little bit of theory (what is a book?), then
demonstrated the parallels between between book production without
computers and that with computers. In the second hour they would repeat the
exercise two or three or even four students together round one pc, and I
would just stand around in the background in case they got stuck somewhere.
The exercise was over time so explicit though, that mostly they got along
without my help. Would be pleased, if you might take a look at it:

http://openoffice-uni.org/

Yours
Dave

On 14 September 2017 at 15:49, Famiglietti, Andrew A  wrote:

> Hi Open Office Doc Team,
>
>
> I'm a professor in the English Department at West Chester University of
> Pennsylvania, and I'm planning to use Open Source Software documentation as
> a "real world" writing task for my Technical Writing Students this
> semester. I noticed your project was looking for documentation help and
> thought I would reach out. Some things you should know:
>
>
> - I'm not going to swamp you with student contributions. Students will
> file their drafts with me, first, and then I will pass them on to you only
> if I think they have a reasonably good end product, and I have an ok from
> the project?
>
>
> I was wondering:
>
>
> - If you would be interested in seeing the documentation drafts students
> produce
>
> - If there was any particular area of documentation you were particularly
> in need of
>
>
> Thanks so much for your time!
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Andy Famiglietti, PhD
> Assistant Professor of English, West Chester University
> http://copyvillain.org<http://copyvillain.org/>
>

Re: Re OpenOffice Spreadsheet suggestion

[Dave]

On 25.03.2017 23:57, Barnaby Guthrie wrote:
> Thanks for your excellent OpenOffice org system on the Mac. It’s a great 
> replacement for the MS Office program.
>
> A suggestion:
>
> In your spreadsheet section could you include a Command+D and Command+R 
> routine for “Fill Down” and “Fill Right” respectively? This would be a handy 
> feature rather than having to go up to “Fill” menu item in the “Edit” menu. 
> These two fill operations we use all the time; they would be handier if 
> linked to the Command D and R commands.
>
> Your system is a treat to use. Do you provide your source code to users for 
> their modifying it themselves to suit their own purposes?
>
> Regards,
>
> Barnaby Guthrie

Hi Barnaby,

There is no need to change the program code, with very few operating
restrictions, you can customize the software's keyboard functions to be
whatever you choose.

I don't have access to an Apple computer right now, so the screen
captures below are taken from a Win 7 computer and read Ctrl+ to be
⌘ (Command)+

  * From Calc's menu select “*/Tools → Customize…/*”.



  * In the "*/Customize/*" dialog (window) that opens, select the
"*/Keyboard/*" tab, scroll down the list of "*/Shortcut keys/*" and
select the one you want to modify (eg. Ctrl+D). Both Ctrl+D and
Ctrl+R already have default shortcuts allocated to them, but you can
override the defaults, or choose other unallocated shortcuts. In the
"*/Functions -> Category/*" list select "*/Edit/*". In the
"*/Functions -> Function/*" list select "*/Fill Down/*". Select
whatever is shown in the "*/Functions -> Keys/*" box. Press the
keyboard *Ctrl+D* key combination, select "/*Modify*/" button.



  * Repeat for Ctrl+R and other other modifications you wish to make.

The software's source code can be found here:
https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html However, you should be
aware that the code base is very large and extremely complex.

BTW. The documentation mailing list is not the best place to send
suggestions, the "Users" or "Developer" lists are more appropriate, see:
https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html

Regards
Dave

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Re: Rebooting the Documentation Effort

[Dave]

Hi all,

I think we do need a group of half a dozen people with a lot of experience
of the project to distribute the work amongst the others. This group would
need to decide collectively what needs to be done and in what order of
priority. They would have to be democratically elected by the rest of us...

Regards, Dave

2016-01-20 21:57 GMT+01:00 Keith N. McKenna :

> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> > [bcc: dev@]
> >
> > Hi Keith,
> >
> > I have belatedly noticed your efforts to reboot the documentation
> > effort, first in April and again in December, 2015.
> >
> > I commend you on this.
>
> Thank You Dennis, I appreciate it.
> >
> > While people raise their hands, we don't seem to achieve traction.
> >
> > I would like to know from those who did not persevere,
> >
> > What got in the way?
> >
> > Is it all a matter of life intervening?
> >
> > Are there technical and communication matters that can be addressed
> > to remove any barriers that were encountered?
> >
> > Is there missing information?
> >
> > - Dennis
> >
> I cannot speak for others, but  I will add my own observations for
> whatever use they may be.
>
> I think a lot of people raise their hand to volunteer with the
> expectation that there will be a lot of mentoring, task assignments and
> that sort of thing. We do not have experienced people to do mentoring to
> that level. I am not a tech writer. I am a Manufacturing Engineer that
> has written some technical documentation as a part of my job. As far as
> task assignments I believe that each contributor knows best there
> strengths and are better able to know what they might be best at. If
> someone wants to take on the task of handing out assignments for new
> volunteers I think that could be a help.
>
> Given the recent level of activity, I am cautiously optimistic that we
> may see some more forward momentum.
>
> Regards
> Keith
>
>
>
>

Re: Where are we with the documentation?

[Dave]

Perhaps a crazy idea: How about organizing a telephone conference some time
in the late summer and inviting all the main authors (past and present) to
discuss this together? It seems to me a great pity if energies are not
bundled together. And past difficulties can surely be overcome.

On 1 May 2015 at 00:07, Keith N. McKenna  wrote:

> jonathon wrote:
> > On 30/04/15 15:29, Regina Henschel wrote:
> >
> >> And you cannot blame the people, who write for LibreOffice. There are
> > so few persons working on LibreOffice documentation, that they cannot
> > follow the changes in LibreOffice soon.
> >
> > I'll grant that ODFAuthors doesn't have many people. Regardless, that
> > point is irrelevant here. (Well, it is relevant, to the point of
> > considering why ODFAuthors isn't actively involved in AOo documentation.)
> >
> >> It is not reasonable to expect that these people care about Apache
> > OpenOffice.
> >
> > Some of the people in ODFAuthors were willing to either write original
> > documentation where needed, and/or modify/adapt LibO documentation to
> > reflect the changes/differences in AOo. Do note the use of the past
> > tense here.
> >
> >> If we decide to use ODF Authors, it would be possible without problems.
> >
> > Then when did most of the ODFAuthors resign from the AOo documentation
> > project?
> >
> > More pointedly, why did the former head of the AOo Documentation project
> > resign? (Need I point out that the wiki page lists that individual as
> > the current head of AOo documentation.)
> >
> >> But working with ODF Authors means, to follow a special workflow. And
> when authors do not like that workflow, you cannot force them to use ODF
> Authors.
> >
> > Every organization that creates documentation, has a workflow.
> > Sometimes that workflow is clearly defined, outlined, and includes
> > everything that the content creator needs, in order to produce quality
> > output. Sometimes that workflow is not only not defined, but manages to
> > omit everything that the content creator needs, in order to produce any
> > output.
> >
> > Whilst one can't force authors to follow a specific workflow, a clearly
> > defined, rational workflow process makes it much easier for authors to
> > create their content.
> >
> > The process that ODFAuthors uses, is based on their experience of
> > creating documentation. Some aspects can be exasperating, but on the
> > whole even those aspects are beneficial to the content creator.
> >
> > Keith wrote:
> >
> > Johnathon;
> >
> >> If you have concrete proposals to avoid what you obviously saw as flaws
> > in the previous efforts now would be the time to make them,
> >
> > What I'm saying, is to look at the history of the project, from the days
> > that it was StarOffice. Look at how documentation (both quality and
> > quantity) has increased, and decreased over that time, and, more
> > importantly where and how it was produced.
> >
> > To see what is, in effect,an entire documentation team, resign thrice,
> > indicates that major issues keep re-ocurring. Furthermore, it can't be
> > said that it was the same few people who were unhappy, because at least
> > two of those documentation teams had no individuals in common.
> > I'm not sure how much, if any overlap, there was between the third of
> > those teams, and either of the other two.
> >
> Jonathon;
> Please enlighten us then most omniscient guru. You obviously have
> knowledge that the rest of us lack and that may be germane. So far all I
> have seen is your need to re-hash the past for your own reasons while
> offering no concrete suggestions on how to move us forward from here.
>
> Keith
> > jonathon
> >
> >   * English - detected
> >   * English
> >
> >   * English
> >
> >  
> >
>
>
>

Re: Where are we with the documentation?

[Dave]

Hi all

can someone briefly explain the (dis)advantages of working with
odf-authors? how far are they with their documentation?

On 30 April 2015 at 17:29, Regina Henschel  wrote:

> Hi Jonathon,
>
> jonathon schrieb:
>
>> Let's rephrase the question. Do you understand why ODFAuthor's is not
>> creating documentation for specifically for Apache OpenOffice?
>>
>>
> ODF Authors is only the working environment. The website starts with "This
> is a development site for LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice (formerly
> OpenOffice.org) documentation." and they have a directory for Apache
> OpenOffice. It is our decision to use it or not to use it. You cannot blame
> ODF Authors, when we do not use it.
>
> And you cannot blame the people, who write for LibreOffice. There are so
> few persons working on LibreOffice documentation, that they cannot follow
> the changes in LibreOffice soon. It is not reasonable to expect that these
> people care about Apache OpenOffice. It is the duty of the Apache
> OpenOffice community to provide documentations for their users.
>
> If we decide to use ODF Authors, it would be possible without problems.
> But working with ODF Authors means, to follow a special workflow. And when
> authors do not like that workflow, you cannot force them to use ODF Authors.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
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Re: Where are we with the documentation?

[Dave]

Is it completely unrealistic to ask O'Reilly if they might publish a newer
version of their book on OpenOffice?

On 30 April 2015 at 07:27, jonathon  wrote:

> On 30/04/15 02:36, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> > about the current effort to do documentation for version 4 by the
> > project under the Apache license.
>
> What is your proposal to prevent/minimize the odds of a repeat of why
> ODFAuthors no longer is providing documentation for Apache OpenOffice?
>
> jonathon
>
>
>

Re: Apply for a volunteer tech writer

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Andrea Pescetti 
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 00:04:22 +0100

> De Angela Jackson wrote:
>> The "unsubscribe" link isn't working for me.  I thought I had
>> unsubscribed before.  And how do I remove my email/posts from any
>> forums?
> 
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> http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
> 
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> Regards,
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I am assisting De Angela Jackson with this issue.

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Re: Subcribe

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Keith N. McKenna 
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:11:48 -0500

> Steve Wolf wrote:
>> Subsribe
> 
> Steve;
> 
> I am curious why you are trying to subscribe to the list again. It
> appears that you are already subscribed. This is a fairly low volume
> list and there have not been a lot of posts since your initial one
> introducing yourself. I have cc'd your e-mail address in case you do not
> see this from the list.
> 
> Dave;
> 
> I do not see the Delivered-To: Moderator in the headers of Steve's mail
> which would say that he is already subscribed. Can you check and see if
> he is indeed subscribed or whether we have a odd situation here that he
> is not subscribed yet the headers do not show him not subscribed.
> 
> Regards
> Keith

Kieth:
You are correct. I didn't think to check the header of Keith's email or
the subscriber list, I simply replied to Kieth's post. I just got a new
copy of the subscriber list and Kieth's address is definitely there.

Steve:
Were you testing your subscription to the list, or are you having some
kind of problem with your list subscription?

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Re: Subcribe

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
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To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:05:54 -0500

> Subsribe

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Re: Requesting MWiki Account

[Dave]

Dear Andrea,

The English, German and French are practically identical. I made a couple
of very minor additions to the German version yesterday which I will add to
the English version.

I'm not so sure about the concept of stability. Over time (six years now)
it has become quite rounded, so basically stable I suppose.

I would quite like to give it to the community. So far I'm the only one
updating the files and I always make sure they really are parallel. But
what is the best way of going about it? As it is, it is a direct reflection
of my teaching to first year students at the Frankfurt University of
Applied Sciences. But since I will be quitting in April next year, I guess
I won't have any more new ideas to add - except for a planned video
exercise.

What would you suggest is the best way of going about it? I think it would
be a pity if my input sort of just "died out of existence".

Yours
Dave

On 9 September 2014 23:45, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>> Perhaps I'm confused. But my documentation in English, Chinese (kindly
>> translated by Mark Hung), French and German is, so I thought, on the
>> official site openoffice.org.
>>
>
> It's advertised on the openoffice.org domain, but it's not hosted there.
> It's third-party documentation. Which is fine.
>
>  Then OpenOffice Wiki: Documentation area.
>> Then look under the title "User Guides for OpenOffice 3.3, 3.4 and 4.
>>
>
> Yes, if I open
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation
> I see a link to your (external, third-party) site. It's perfectly welcome
> to be there, as all other links to third-party documentation. But priority
> for us (for the OpenOffice project) is to get our collaboratively edited
> documentation available first.
>
> So in general I will prefer that people help the community efforts (and
> gain thus merit in the community) rather than helping third-party efforts.
> Especially if volunteers write to the community lists.
>
> That said, your model is clearly working well. It works surely better than
> the community efforts on the wiki at
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide
> So if you see something that in your experience works well in enabling
> volunteers to translate we can surely share ideas. For example, it seems
> that your case you provide new volunteers with an ODT file and ask that
> they translate it. How does it work with updates? Are you the only person
> authorized to edit the English version? Are translations aligned in some
> way? Does it help to have a "stable" English text to be translated first,
> and focus on translations only then?
>
>
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Re: Requesting MWiki Account

[Dave]

Dear Andrea, dear Sonu,

Perhaps I'm confused. But my documentation in English, Chinese (kindly
translated by Mark Hung), French and German is, so I thought, on the
official site openoffice.org.

Start from there, then open "I need help with my OpenOffice".

Then open "Product documentation".

Then OpenOffice Wiki: Documentation area.

Then look under the title "User Guides for OpenOffice 3.3, 3.4 and 4.

I do think this guide is useful for students with very little time to
google around for solutions when writing a thesis. Of course, most students
around the world master English to a greater or lesser degree. But having
something in their own native language could be an added incentive.

It would be interesting to do a small survey to find out if students who
have Hindi as their mother tongue would find a translation useful.

Yours,
Dave

On 9 September 2014 11:06, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 09/09/2014 Aarti Varma wrote:
>
>> I speak Hindi and English fluently. I don't think most Hindi speakers
>> would
>> require a translation as they can usually also speak English quite well.
>> However, I would be happy to translate it if there is any demand.
>>
>
> As for translations, we very much prefer that volunteers help with the
> official project resources (those hosted under the openoffice.org domain)
> before moving on to other documentation, since resources hosted on the
> openoffice.org domain are more visible and benefit more people. But I'll
> give you more details when replying to your introduction mail!
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Requesting MWiki Account

[Dave]

Hi Sonu,

May I enquire which is your native tongue? My introduction for students has
now been translated into Chinese, I myself did English, French and German,
friends of mine are progressing with the Arabic translation. Have a look:

openoffice-uni.org

Yours
Dave

On 9 September 2014 00:00, Aarti Varma  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to request an MWiki Account with
>
> email address: ms.aartiva...@gmail.com
> username:sonusonu
>
> Thank you,
> Sonu
>

Re: Editing

[Dave]

Hi Anita,

Thanks a Million! In a sense it is work in progress, because from time to
time I add bits, change things round etc. trying to make it as readable as
possible for non-technically minded students.

Best send your corrections to: i...@openoffice.org

Yours
Dave


On 18 June 2014 16:58, Anita Diamond  wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Yes I've had a quick look - I think you're being modest when you say that
> it's a work in progress. I shall proofread it by making a copy of it,
> putting any necessary marks on it and then sending it back via this email
> (unless there is some other protocol I am unaware of.)
> Best wishes
> Anita
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave [mailto:davepo...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 16 June 2014 19:50
> To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Editing
>
> Hi Anita,
>
> Would you perhaps like to proofread my documentation for students under:
> openoffice-uni.org. Even though I have to admit it's work in progress.
>
> Yours
> Dave
>
>
> On 16 June 2014 15:47, Anita Diamond  wrote:
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> >
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> > and best practice in technical authoring. I have taught myself
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> > all sorts of different needs and audiences.
> > I am really keen to get stuck in, so if those documents mentioned in
> > earlier postings still need to be proofread then I am happy to start
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> >
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Re: Editing

[Dave]

Hi Anita,

Would you perhaps like to proofread my documentation for students under:
openoffice-uni.org. Even though I have to admit it's work in progress.

Yours
Dave


On 16 June 2014 15:47, Anita Diamond  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I just signed up. My name is Anita and I am based in Letchworth Garden
> City,
> UK.
> I am looking to get some experience in technical writing - as this is is
> what I would like to do for a living. I also feel strongly about
> accessibility and global inclusivity in software i.e. ways to enable people
> to join the technology revolution regardless of location or finance.
> I am a native English speaker with a variety of experience from web design
> to journalism to adult education. I have a BSc. Hons in Information Systems
> and Management and Post graduate qualifications in Anthropology and
> Psychology. I am interested in user centred design and best practice in
> technical authoring. I have taught myself Framemaker, MadCap Flare, DITA,
> XML and have a flare for writing to all sorts of different needs and
> audiences.
> I am really keen to get stuck in, so if those documents mentioned in
> earlier
> postings still need to be proofread then I am happy to start on that right
> away.
>
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> Anita
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Re: Stepping back from trying to drive this effort

[Dave]

I think the internal help files are especially vital and enormously
contribute to the overall quality of a programme.


On 10 June 2014 07:22, Stephenie Barrett  wrote:

> On 6/8/2014 1:56 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
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>> that people can own and know what to do. This is very counter-apache
>> way but I think is also the reason why these efforts don't pick up
>> since the roles are not that defined, mentoring is hard and also steps
>> are not as apparent.
>>
>> as a past contributor of ODFAuthors, I remember there was some energy
>> put on the Structure and process and roadmap of the documentation team
>> so we can prioritize the work and communicate the current status of
>> the guides.
>>
>> Just right now I was about to email about what documentation has to do
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>> On 6/7/14, Keith N. McKenna  wrote:
>>
>>> It has become painfully obvious over the last 6 months or more that I am
>>> not the person to push this effort forward. I am tired of answering
>>> queries about how to help and then never having people come back to the
>>> list. I will continue to work on the introductory material as I have
>>> time, but I no longer have the energy to continue to try and drive it
>>> forward.
>>>
>>> What we need is people with experience in technical writing to drive
>>> this and to mentor new comers. I will continue to monitor the list and
>>> set up accounts on the mwiki as needed. I think I may take a closer look
>>> at trying to learn the process of writing the help files as I am seeing
>>> more bugs posted concerning problems with them.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>  I am sorry I keep coming in and out of the discussion. I was working on
> a project full time the past few months and didn't have time to offer. I am
> able to help with the help files and other writing as needed. I am an
> experienced technical writer and would like to work on one of the bigger
> projects needed. I will touch base early next week to get started.
>
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Re: I would like to volunteer as technical writer

[Dave]

Hi Andrea,

have just completely revised the english version of my introduction for
students.

to my surprise, my website openoffice-uni.org has between 60 and 70
visitors daily!!

the update of the french vesion will be finished on monday or tuesday. have
been working on both for the last 5 months.

please take a look - an italian version would be super!!!

yours
dave


On 17 May 2014 23:38, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 17/05/2014 Luca Ceccarini wrote:
>
>> I could help with the italian translation. Would be a great way for me
>> to get my hands dirty...
>>
>
> I listed other ways to get your hands dirty with Italian translations at
> http://markmail.org/message/ikngu7tmbmwq2pjq but there's another one if
> you wish, that is simply translating the short "Weekly News" posts (we
> don't send them out every week actually) like
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40508638
> If you are interested, create an account on Cwiki and ask for editing
> permissions on this list.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: I would like to volunteer as technical writer

[Dave]

hi archana,

are you proficient also in other languages?

today discovered that my documentation for students has 60 to 70 visitors
daily and i'm looking to expand it to other languages. so far have done
english, german and french. some student friends of mine are doing arabic.
have a look at it: openoffice-uni.org

yours, dave


On 16 May 2014 15:06, archana nagarajan  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am a Middleware Administrator with vast experience on a range of products
> like Weblogic, Apache HTTP server, IBM Websphere MQ, JBOSs etc. I have
> produced a lot of documentation during my stint as technical lead for
> various banking/financial projects. I owe 99% of my expertise to the
> knowledge I gleaned from technical information freely available on the
> internet and I am interested in 'giving back' in some way to the open
> source community. I came across this "Call for Volunteers" while surfing
> and would like to contribute as a technical writer in any way possible, if
> you need me.
>
> Please feel free to reach out to me on archananagara...@gmail.com
>
> Regards
> Archana
>

Re: Participate in the documentation area

[Dave]

Hi Jose,

how about translating my introduction for students into Spanish? The
English version - which i am revising at the moment - is available on:

openoffice-uni.org

I will have finished the revision be the end of April.

Yours
Dave


On 28 March 2014 00:12, JOSE REYES  wrote:

> Hello HP!
>
>  I have some doubts.
> What level of English is required to participate in the community?
> In the section on Review, How I can help in the area of Review?
> What is the area of editing? The the section on Editing does not explain
> how to contribute.
>
> thanks
>
> > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 19:45:34 +0100
> > From: theca...@aim.com
> > To: doc@openoffice.apache.org; chg...@hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: Participate in the documentation area
> >
> > On 03/27/2014 06:35 PM, JOSE REYES wrote:
> > > I am interested in participating in the documentation area in
> OpenOffice.org. I think that my skills and knowledge could  help the
> community.
> > > In my experience as a student in college, as a student in the area of
> ICT, I demonstrated my ability to work to help others. It would be a great
> experience for me to participate in the community, in the area of
> documentation and have the opportunity to be in contact with people from
> other countries and learn another way to work.
> > > Therefore I consider to be trained in the area of documentation, share
> Guides help other people.
> > > Currently study the fifth semester as a senior technician in ICT. In
> addition to participating in various courses.
> > >
> > > For these reasons, I would belong in that area.
> > >
> > Welcome Jose,
> >
> > Please have a look at these two links, read up a bit and get back to us.
> >
> > https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Contribute
> >
> > http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > HP
> >
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>

Re: Is it time to re-evaluate the viability of internal documentation?

[Dave]

I'm not sure, but possibly the first step would be to have a list of all
the best documentation so far. I personally don't use documentation much,
just google around. I do use the internal Help of OpenOffice though. What
are the average user's habits? If I were to use documentation, I guess it
wouldn't be general documentation, but ratther documentation on how to
solve specific tasks.


On 22 March 2014 17:54, Keith N. McKenna  wrote:

> Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > On 19/03/2014 Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> 
> > In other fields we notice that it is important to involve and empower
> > new volunteers quickly and easily. For example, a new documentation
> > volunteer would now have the problem that he needs a wiki account
> > created (and he needs someone to do it, since registration is currently
> > disabled) and then a welcome message on what to do, and then a list of
> > tasks...
> >
> > If the more active people here could have all necessary privileges to
> > answer prospective volunteers with a "Welcome, we created a wiki account
> > for you, a couple of small tasks that you can do to start are X and Y",
> > this would be much more effective.
> >
> I should have all the necessary privileges, at last on the mwiki. The
> problem I see is that I am just about the only person active right now
> and I am tired of putting fourth the effort to draw people in and in
> better than 80% of cases nothing comes of it. I am willing to try again,
> but I can not do it alone. We need to be able to attract experienced
> technical writers that can guide volunteers.
>
> > Should you wish to try it, let us know and we'll look into what's needed
> > to give you (Keith, or other active volunteers who want to take care of
> > this) the necessary privileges.
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
>
>
>

Re: How to change OOo to AOO quickly and efficiently?

[Dave]

Fully agree - Apache OpenOffice sounds great anyway.



On 23 February 2014 19:05, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 13/02/2014 De Angela Jackson wrote:
>
>> Hi. I was just reading the thread. I thought using AOO instead of OO was
>> strictly due to Apache not owning the original licensing.
>>
>
> Just to clarify (since this is a publicly archived list): Apache does own
> the "OpenOffice.org" trademark, see the site footer of
> http://openoffice.org
>
> So we (in the sense of "the Apache OpenOffice project") can perfectly use
> "OpenOffice.org". But the product was renamed into "Apache OpenOffice", so
> in information that is still current (as in "OpenOffice.org is an office
> suite") we'd better use the latter ("Apache OpenOffice is an office suite").
>
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Writer manual FR

[Dave]

You're a darling :)


On 16 February 2014 21:40, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 08/02/2014 Dave wrote:
>
>> followed your link to the French documentation site.
>> Could you add my documentation in French to the page: openoffice-uni.org?
>>
>
> Thank you Dave, added links to
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Documentation/Writer/
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: How to change OOo to AOO quickly and efficiently?

[Dave]

In my eyes (or ears) AOO stands out much more strongly than just the OO


On 13 February 2014 20:32, De Angela Jackson
wrote:

> Hi. I was just reading the thread. I thought using AOO instead of OO was
> strictly due to Apache not owning the original licensing.  So although
> verbose, it might be necssary.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> De Angela
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
>
> > Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
> >
> >> If the intent is to change OOo to AOO, if I could change the pages at 3
> >> minutes per page, it would take 6 days of solid work to change them all.
> >> Could this be done during a maintenance cycle?
> >>
> >
> > Sure, this is best done automatically, directly on the server. But I
> don't
> > see a real reason for being so verbose and always using "Apache
> OpenOffice"
> > instead of the normal "OpenOffice".
> >
> > I believe the internal product name is set to "OpenOffice", and we have a
> > "long product name" set to "Apache OpenOffice" for some occurrences in
> the
> > interface.
> >
> > Anyway, whatever is agreed upon, once we agree this is a task to be
> > handled by a global "search and replace" in database.
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
> >
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> >
>

Re: Presentation and wiki account

[Dave]

Hi Jose,

have for some time been on the lookout for a Spanish translator for my
introduction for students. You might like to have a look at it:
openoffice-uni.org. Would be glad to hearing from you soon.

Yours
Dave


On 11 February 2014 07:47, JOSE REYES  wrote:

> Hello! Mi name is José Reyes Chan Guzmán. I want to contribute to the
> OpenOffice community through my knowledge and skills, helping to translate
> some documentation to spanish. Want to enter the wiki for to help with some
> guides. My Nick is jose_reyes1994

Re: Writer manual FR

[Dave]

Hi Andrea,

followed your link to the French documentation site.

Could you add my documentation in French to the page: openoffice-uni.org ?
Would be very grateful. Will update it again in the coming weeks to make
practically identical to the English and German versions.

Yours
Dave


On 8 February 2014 21:15, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 27/01/2014 Guy Waterval wrote:
>
>> Here is the writer manual FR (unofficial)
>> www.softenpoche.com/sep/writer.odt
>> www.softenpoche.com/sep/writer.pdf
>>   Licence : ALv2.0, Status : draft
>>
>
> Thank you, added to
> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Documentation/Writer/
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Completed Introduction to Documentation

[Dave]

Hi Daria,

Wonderful! I'm really looking forward to hearing how you get along. I did
my best to make the style appealing for students. If there is anything you
don't like let me know.

Are you in contact with Kateryna?

Best regards
Dave


On 31 January 2014 21:30, Дарья Чуркина  wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> I have completed the module introduction to Documentation. Will be happy
> to proceed with the project.
>
> Best regards,
> Daria.

Re: New Doc Volunteer

[Dave]

Hi Marcia,

My tentative suggestion might well be completely off the mark But something
completely new and possibly lacking would be some documentation for
students doing or having to do statistics. Possibly the opensource PSPP (as
an alternative to the much too expensive SPSS) would be a nice thing to
help propagate.

The reason for me would be the too uncritical approach which seems to
dominate universities (my impression), especially the belief that
statistics can be automatically "validated" by some obscure mathematical
formulas. A classic criticism was written some years ago by Stephen Jay
Gould: The Mismeasure of Man. I think students need to know how to use
statistical programms without becoming blind believers, or, the opposite,
be so distrustful they don't want to have anything to do with it.

Anyway, hit me if the idea is too stupid.

Yours
Dave


On 28 December 2013 14:03, Marcia K Wilbur  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> My name is Marcia Wilbur. <-- Who I am
>
>
> I am located in the US, Arizona more specifically.  < Where I live
> I am from New England < Where I am from
>
> For over a decade my writing focus was copyright and the Digital
> Millennium Copyright Act. I have an AAS in computer science. A BS in
> Technical Communications and a MS in IT from Arizona State University. For
> many years, I taught technical communications to college freshmen as well
> as other foundation courses (Welcome to the university, goal setting, etc.)
> Recently, I have found myself with spare time. I know... can you imagine???
> I have always been a contributing member of this community:
>
> 2000 - present Free speech/free software advocate joining LUGs in protest
> of the DMCA
> 2001 - 2003 DMOZ (ODP) editor
> 2002-2003 Free Software Foundation intern
> 2003  Volunteer Electronic Frontier Foundation - DMCA FAQs for the DMCA
> Blog
> 2003  Volunteer IP Justice - Created boilerplate documentation for grants
> 2003-2004 Author Linux Essentials (Aries in cooperation with CompTia Linux
> +)
>
> The rest of the time I spent volunteering here and there as well as
> working as a Senior technical writer with some Programming and QA tasks in
> semiconductor, education and finance.
> .
> .
> .
> ^
> |
> |
> What my background is, etc.
>
> I don't know what I can offer, but I am hoping I can put my skills to good
> use and be of value to the community.
>
> Thanks!
> Marcia
>
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Re: Openoffice.uni documentation (Re: Fwd: Documention - sort of)

[Dave]

Ah OK, makes life easier for me :)


On 28 December 2013 01:03, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>> Is the Apache License by the way available in other languages? Or is it
>> best just to stick to English?
>>
>
> The only normative version is the English one. So, whatever language the
> document is in, the license is the English one (and very often the notice
> is in English too). I'm not aware of any official translations. This is not
> due to lack of volunteers, but presumably to the huge legal responsibility
> of officially approving a translation.
>
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Openoffice.uni documentation (Re: Fwd: Documention - sort of)

[Dave]

Hi Andrea,

Thanks for all the work you've put in, i'm really grateful.

Yes, I've gone for the Apache License. Will have it integrated by mid
January (I'm rechecking the English and the German parallel).

I'll ask the Arab students if they're willing to participate. At least one
of them well might be.

Is the Apache License by the way available in other languages? Or is it
best just to stick to English?

Yours
Dave


On 27 December 2013 21:35, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>> Thanks a million! However it seems to me to be a little round about way.
>> Wouldn't it be possible to simply post a link to:
>> openoffice-uni.org
>> There visitors can choose if they prefer pdf or odt
>>
>
> (Answering multiple mails in one)
> The "ODF Authors" model I was referring to was quite similar: we have the
> content on the wiki, and then we have links (from the wiki) to the original
> ODT and PDF sources. This is the best situation since people who come from
> search engines will go to the wiki pages (high visibility) and from there
> reach the openoffice-uni site (that will gain much higher visibility due to
> the links and contents in our Wiki).
>
>
>  me again: perhaps the simplest would be to put the link directly on
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation in the right hand column
>> under "user guides" - name it "Apacahe OpenOffice Writer for Students" .
>>
>
> Sure. I've just done it at 
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation(it's the left hand column 
> actually). But this should be in addition to the
> former, and not a replacement. Good and up-to-date materials deserve good
> visibility, so let's go for both.
>
>  As to license: I'm open to anything which is open. Please tell me how
>> I should reformulate that part.
>>
>
> Since it is your work, this is very easy: you just replace the license
> notice in your ODT/PDF file with the text of the Appendix you find at
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html (scroll down). This would
> put the guides under the same license as OpenOffice and make things simpler
> in general.
>
>  Three students at our uni are doing an
>> Arab version which should be complete by March.
>>
>
> This is really interesting, especially considering that OpenOffice 4 in
> Arabic is close to being complete (93%) but we have no active team working
> on it. See https://translate.apache.org/ar/aoo40/ We could definitely
> work with your students so that they help translate not only the
> documentation, but the program too. This would be very beneficial to users.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Openoffice.uni documentation (Re: Fwd: Documention - sort of)

[Dave]

me again: perhaps the simplest would be to put the link directly on
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation in the right hand column
under "user guides" - name it "Apacahe OpenOffice Writer for Students" ...



On 27 December 2013 20:54, Dave  wrote:

> Hi Dick,
>
> Thanks a million! However it seems to me to be a little round about way.
> Wouldn't it be possible to simply post a link to:
>
> openoffice-uni.org
>
> There visitors can choose if they prefer pdf or odt
>
> I prefer the document to be kept in one piece because my aim was to
> encourage readers to actually read through the whole thing and not jump
> from one section to another out of order.
>
> All the best
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> On 27 December 2013 19:28, Dick Groskamp  wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> I started putting your splendid piece of work on the wiki.
>>
>> First attempt is here:
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Writer_for_Students
>>
>> Is this along the way you had in mind ?
>>
>> --
>> DiGro
>> ___
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Re: Openoffice.uni documentation (Re: Fwd: Documention - sort of)

[Dave]

Hi Dick,

Thanks a million! However it seems to me to be a little round about way.
Wouldn't it be possible to simply post a link to:

openoffice-uni.org

There visitors can choose if they prefer pdf or odt

I prefer the document to be kept in one piece because my aim was to
encourage readers to actually read through the whole thing and not jump
from one section to another out of order.

All the best
Dave





On 27 December 2013 19:28, Dick Groskamp  wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I started putting your splendid piece of work on the wiki.
>
> First attempt is here:
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Writer_for_Students
>
> Is this along the way you had in mind ?
>
> --
> DiGro
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> (F-Secure)
>
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Re: Openoffice.uni documentation (Re: Fwd: Documention - sort of)

[Dave]

Hi Andrea,

Thanks for your encouraging words. Yes of course I would love to have my
efforts integrated into the Apache/Wiki project. Have absolutely no
experience though how wiki works. I actually did have a look at the wiki a
few weeks ago, and found nowhere where to post a link. Could you help me
here? As to license: I'm open to anything which is open. Please tell me how
I should reformulate that part.

At present I'm fine tuning English and German versions simulataneously, to
make sure they are both exactly the same, then will adapt the French to
these. Kateryna has translated just the introduction into Russian and
Ukrainian, so that's a nice step. Three students at our uni are doing an
Arab version which should be complete by March.

All the best and thanks
Dave



On 15 December 2013 14:50, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 30/11/2013 16:23, Dave wrote:
>
>> any chance of linking my introduction for students (openoffice-uni.org)
>> on
>> the wiki? french version will be up next week, then i'll go back to the
>> german version, and then again the english version. please take a look.
>>
>
> Hello Dave, I did take a look today. You have some nice documentation
> available, and all of it is up-to-date. Why don't you contribute it to the
> official OpenOffice wiki? This would make things easier in several
> respects: your documentation would be found much more easily by search
> engines and it would be more justified that you look for translators here.
> This is much like it worked for the ODF Authors group: they were publishing
> their documentation on the OpenOffice wiki and still maintaining the ODT
> and PDF versions available on their site, with mutual benefits.
>
> I see that you are using a different license than the Apache License 2
> (the OpenOffice license, and the recommended license for new wiki content).
> So this might be an issue to consider; just make your choice and feel free
> to ask any questions.
>
> The official place for OpenOffice documentation is here:
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Help in writing documentation

[Dave]

Hi Katia,

Well I think the English is now quite up to date so you can now have a go
at it as soon as you have some time on your hands.

The newest version is as usual on: openoffice-uni.org

Please let me know how things progress.

All the best.

Dave


On 2 December 2013 16:41, Katia P  wrote:

> You are welcome)
>
>
> 2013/12/2 Dave 
>
> > good. then i'll hurry up with the english update and get back to you. i
> > guess in around two weeks' time. thx an million!!!
> >
> >
> > On 2 December 2013 16:31, Katia P  wrote:
> >
> > > I would rather base on English. Translating from German would be more
> > > difficult for me.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Kateryna
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/12/2 Dave 
> > >
> > > > Wonderful! I take it you base yourself on the English version - or do
> > you
> > > > by any chance also master German? Best regards, Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2 December 2013 15:16, Katia P  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > > Sure, I am still very interested. Sorry, I haven't prepared the
> > > revision
> > > > of
> > > > > the documentation for students, but hope I will do this as soon as
> I
> > > can.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Kateryna
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2013/12/2 Dave 
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Kateryna,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have now at last finished translating my introduction into French
> > and
> > > > > > posted it on: openoffice-uni.org.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Based on the French version want to recheck the German and then
> the
> > > > > English
> > > > > > versions (every translation leads to small additions and new
> > > > > formulations).
> > > > > > But that shouldn't take too much time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I very much hope you are still interested in doing a Russian and
> > > then a
> > > > > > Ukrainian version.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yours
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 21 November 2013 18:13, Dave  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > nice to meet you - if you like, also on facebook:
> > > david.frankfurt.39
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 21 November 2013 15:41, Katia P 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> This is really a small world, Dave!
> > > > > > >> By the way, I'm a translator too:)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Best regards,
> > > > > > >> Kateryna
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 2013/11/21 Dave 
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Hi Kateryna,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Wonderful!! I think a Russian, and then a Ukrainian
> > translation,
> > > > > would
> > > > > > >> > enormously enrich this project aimed at students.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Obviously, while translating, one develops new ideas, so
> it's
> > > > never
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >> > completely literal translation. But that's fine. Then we
> could
> > > > > insert
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> > one or the other extra into the other versions.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I guessed by the way that you might be fluent in these
> > languages
> > > > > from
> > > > > > >> your
> > > > > > >> > name :) My father was from Russia, but never taught me
> Russian
> > > > > > >> > unfortunately, although he was a translator by profession.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Yours
> > > > > >

Re: Help in writing documentation

[Dave]

good. then i'll hurry up with the english update and get back to you. i
guess in around two weeks' time. thx an million!!!


On 2 December 2013 16:31, Katia P  wrote:

> I would rather base on English. Translating from German would be more
> difficult for me.
>
> Best regards,
> Kateryna
>
>
> 2013/12/2 Dave 
>
> > Wonderful! I take it you base yourself on the English version - or do you
> > by any chance also master German? Best regards, Dave
> >
> >
> > On 2 December 2013 15:16, Katia P  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Dave,
> > > Sure, I am still very interested. Sorry, I haven't prepared the
> revision
> > of
> > > the documentation for students, but hope I will do this as soon as I
> can.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Kateryna
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/12/2 Dave 
> > >
> > > > Hi Kateryna,
> > > >
> > > > Have now at last finished translating my introduction into French and
> > > > posted it on: openoffice-uni.org.
> > > >
> > > > Based on the French version want to recheck the German and then the
> > > English
> > > > versions (every translation leads to small additions and new
> > > formulations).
> > > > But that shouldn't take too much time.
> > > >
> > > > I very much hope you are still interested in doing a Russian and
> then a
> > > > Ukrainian version.
> > > >
> > > > Yours
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 21 November 2013 18:13, Dave  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > nice to meet you - if you like, also on facebook:
> david.frankfurt.39
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 21 November 2013 15:41, Katia P  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> This is really a small world, Dave!
> > > > >> By the way, I'm a translator too:)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Best regards,
> > > > >> Kateryna
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2013/11/21 Dave 
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Hi Kateryna,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Wonderful!! I think a Russian, and then a Ukrainian translation,
> > > would
> > > > >> > enormously enrich this project aimed at students.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Obviously, while translating, one develops new ideas, so it's
> > never
> > > a
> > > > >> > completely literal translation. But that's fine. Then we could
> > > insert
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > one or the other extra into the other versions.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I guessed by the way that you might be fluent in these languages
> > > from
> > > > >> your
> > > > >> > name :) My father was from Russia, but never taught me Russian
> > > > >> > unfortunately, although he was a translator by profession.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Yours
> > > > >> > Dave
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On 21 November 2013 14:35, Katia P 
> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Hi Dave,
> > > > >> > > I will read carefully this documentation for students and will
> > let
> > > > you
> > > > >> > know
> > > > >> > > my suggestions.
> > > > >> > > I'm also fluent in Russian and Ukrainian languages and willing
> > to
> > > > help
> > > > >> > with
> > > > >> > > any translation you need.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Best regards,
> > > > >> > > Kateryna
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > 2013/11/20 Dave 
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > Hi Katernya,
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Thanks!
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > If you find any mistakes or think important aspects (from
> the
> > > > point
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> > > view
> > > > >> > > > of a stressed university student) are missing, please let me
> > > know.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > I myself am not up-to-date as to what other kind of
> > > documentation
> > > > is
> > > > >> > > needed
> > > > >> > > > or is already there and needs updating. Mine is not a
> general
> > > > >> > > > documentation, more like a "how to go about it" for someone
> > > > writing
> > > > >> a
> > > > >> > > > thesis or something.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Are there any other languages you are fluent in? I've just
> > about
> > > > >> > finished
> > > > >> > > > translating my intro into French. Friends of mine are doing
> an
> > > > Arab
> > > > >> > > > version.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Best regards
> > > > >> > > > Dave
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Help in writing documentation

[Dave]

Wonderful! I take it you base yourself on the English version - or do you
by any chance also master German? Best regards, Dave


On 2 December 2013 15:16, Katia P  wrote:

> Hi Dave,
> Sure, I am still very interested. Sorry, I haven't prepared the revision of
> the documentation for students, but hope I will do this as soon as I can.
>
> Best regards,
> Kateryna
>
>
> 2013/12/2 Dave 
>
> > Hi Kateryna,
> >
> > Have now at last finished translating my introduction into French and
> > posted it on: openoffice-uni.org.
> >
> > Based on the French version want to recheck the German and then the
> English
> > versions (every translation leads to small additions and new
> formulations).
> > But that shouldn't take too much time.
> >
> > I very much hope you are still interested in doing a Russian and then a
> > Ukrainian version.
> >
> > Yours
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 21 November 2013 18:13, Dave  wrote:
> >
> > > nice to meet you - if you like, also on facebook: david.frankfurt.39
> > >
> > >
> > > On 21 November 2013 15:41, Katia P  wrote:
> > >
> > >> This is really a small world, Dave!
> > >> By the way, I'm a translator too:)
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Kateryna
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/11/21 Dave 
> > >>
> > >> > Hi Kateryna,
> > >> >
> > >> > Wonderful!! I think a Russian, and then a Ukrainian translation,
> would
> > >> > enormously enrich this project aimed at students.
> > >> >
> > >> > Obviously, while translating, one develops new ideas, so it's never
> a
> > >> > completely literal translation. But that's fine. Then we could
> insert
> > >> the
> > >> > one or the other extra into the other versions.
> > >> >
> > >> > I guessed by the way that you might be fluent in these languages
> from
> > >> your
> > >> > name :) My father was from Russia, but never taught me Russian
> > >> > unfortunately, although he was a translator by profession.
> > >> >
> > >> > Yours
> > >> > Dave
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 21 November 2013 14:35, Katia P  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi Dave,
> > >> > > I will read carefully this documentation for students and will let
> > you
> > >> > know
> > >> > > my suggestions.
> > >> > > I'm also fluent in Russian and Ukrainian languages and willing to
> > help
> > >> > with
> > >> > > any translation you need.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Best regards,
> > >> > > Kateryna
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2013/11/20 Dave 
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Hi Katernya,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > If you find any mistakes or think important aspects (from the
> > point
> > >> of
> > >> > > view
> > >> > > > of a stressed university student) are missing, please let me
> know.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I myself am not up-to-date as to what other kind of
> documentation
> > is
> > >> > > needed
> > >> > > > or is already there and needs updating. Mine is not a general
> > >> > > > documentation, more like a "how to go about it" for someone
> > writing
> > >> a
> > >> > > > thesis or something.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Are there any other languages you are fluent in? I've just about
> > >> > finished
> > >> > > > translating my intro into French. Friends of mine are doing an
> > Arab
> > >> > > > version.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Best regards
> > >> > > > Dave
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Help in writing documentation

[Dave]

Hi Kateryna,

Have now at last finished translating my introduction into French and
posted it on: openoffice-uni.org.

Based on the French version want to recheck the German and then the English
versions (every translation leads to small additions and new formulations).
But that shouldn't take too much time.

I very much hope you are still interested in doing a Russian and then a
Ukrainian version.

Yours
Dave




On 21 November 2013 18:13, Dave  wrote:

> nice to meet you - if you like, also on facebook: david.frankfurt.39
>
>
> On 21 November 2013 15:41, Katia P  wrote:
>
>> This is really a small world, Dave!
>> By the way, I'm a translator too:)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Kateryna
>>
>>
>> 2013/11/21 Dave 
>>
>> > Hi Kateryna,
>> >
>> > Wonderful!! I think a Russian, and then a Ukrainian translation, would
>> > enormously enrich this project aimed at students.
>> >
>> > Obviously, while translating, one develops new ideas, so it's never a
>> > completely literal translation. But that's fine. Then we could insert
>> the
>> > one or the other extra into the other versions.
>> >
>> > I guessed by the way that you might be fluent in these languages from
>> your
>> > name :) My father was from Russia, but never taught me Russian
>> > unfortunately, although he was a translator by profession.
>> >
>> > Yours
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> > On 21 November 2013 14:35, Katia P  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Dave,
>> > > I will read carefully this documentation for students and will let you
>> > know
>> > > my suggestions.
>> > > I'm also fluent in Russian and Ukrainian languages and willing to help
>> > with
>> > > any translation you need.
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > > Kateryna
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/11/20 Dave 
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Katernya,
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > If you find any mistakes or think important aspects (from the point
>> of
>> > > view
>> > > > of a stressed university student) are missing, please let me know.
>> > > >
>> > > > I myself am not up-to-date as to what other kind of documentation is
>> > > needed
>> > > > or is already there and needs updating. Mine is not a general
>> > > > documentation, more like a "how to go about it" for someone writing
>> a
>> > > > thesis or something.
>> > > >
>> > > > Are there any other languages you are fluent in? I've just about
>> > finished
>> > > > translating my intro into French. Friends of mine are doing an Arab
>> > > > version.
>> > > >
>> > > > Best regards
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: Fwd: Documention - sort of

[Dave]

Hi Andrea,

any chance of linking my introduction for students (openoffice-uni.org) on
the wiki? french version will be up next week, then i'll go back to the
german version, and then again the english version. please take a look.
someone promised to do a spanish translation, hope that gets off the ground.

Yours
Dave



On 30 November 2013 16:09, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 14/11/2013 Drew Jensen wrote:
>
>>   Installation Guide
>> 4.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IYmtXbWNldnctV0k/
>> edit?usp=drive_web>
>>Introducing AOO
>> 4.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0INEplZWlMV1dLNWc/
>> edit?usp=drive_web>
>>AOO4.ott<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IOG1QWmxQTlVPVXc/
>> edit?usp=drive_web>
>>   GettingStartedWithBase.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/
>> 0Bx7ZNEXlmR0INWVEZnVGRUpBQjQ/edit?usp=drive_web>
>>
>
> This is very good stuff! Has it been ported to the wiki (or where the
> original 3.x documents were) now? Having it available on the wiki would
> probably be best. In the wiki, the relevant pages should clearly be marked
> with the licensing terms since their license is not the one we are normally
> using for new wiki content (but of course we can perfectly publish this
> stuff on the wiki).
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Help in writing documentation

[Dave]

Hi Katernya,

Thanks!

If you find any mistakes or think important aspects (from the point of view
of a stressed university student) are missing, please let me know.

I myself am not up-to-date as to what other kind of documentation is needed
or is already there and needs updating. Mine is not a general
documentation, more like a "how to go about it" for someone writing a
thesis or something.

Are there any other languages you are fluent in? I've just about finished
translating my intro into French. Friends of mine are doing an Arab version.

Best regards
Dave

Re: Help in writing documentation

[Dave]

Hi Kateryna

3.x is superseded now by 4.0.1.

Have you already had a look at my documentation for students at:
openoffice-uni.org ?

Please let me know what you think of it.

Yours
Dave

(d...@fotoshot.co)


On 20 November 2013 16:16, Katia P  wrote:

> Hello, I would like to help in writing documentation for OpenOffice.org 3.x
> and Apache OpenOffice 3.4.
>
> What is needed from me to get started?
>
> Best regards,
> Kateryna
>

Re: Response to follow-up e-mails Was Re: Use of Ricardo's Status page.

[Dave Barton]

Today there are 67 subscribers to the docs list.

 Original Message  
From: Keith N. McKenna 
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:30:38 -0400

> Dave Barton wrote:
>>  Original Message  
>> From: Rob Weir 
>> To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
>> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:07:53 -0400
>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Keith N. McKenna
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Keith N. McKenna
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RGB ES wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/3/19 Rob Weir 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RGB ES wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think we need more "hand holding" and guidance for new
>>>>>>>> volunteers.
>>>>>>>> Just pointing them to wiki is not enough.  With QA new volunteers I
>>>>>>>> gave them specific assignments at first, e.g., review these 10 bug
>>>>>>>> reports.  I know it sounds odd to "assign" tasks to volunteers, but
>>>>>>>> until they find their way around and self-assign tasks, this is
>>>>>>>> a good
>>>>>>>> way for them to get started.  In return, with QA, I promised to
>>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>>> their early work and give them feedback.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I wonder if we can come up with set of specific tasks, of
>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>> sizes, from 1 to 8 hours, and specifically asked new volunteers to
>>>>>>>> pick from that list?  It might work better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is certainly worth a try. We have hard virtually nothing from
>>>>>> many of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> volunteers since there initial contact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thing would be for one of the moderators of the mailing list
>>>>> to cross reference current list subscribers with those who said they
>>>>> wanted to help.  Some of them may not have subscribed to the list.
>>>>> With the QA team I did that and then sent reminders to those who were
>>>>> not yet signed up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not a moderator but if one can get the list and e-mail it to me
>>>> I will
>>>> do the cross check and send out the reminders.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK.  I'm not a moderator on this list either.  So who is?
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Any moderator can request the subscriber list by sending this commend
>>>>> from their moderator email address:   doc-l...@openofice.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Although you should not share the list publicly, since it has
>>>>> everyone's email address, it would be interesting to know how many
>>>>> people are subscribed in total.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>
>> The list of 63 subscribers has been sent directly to Keith.
>>
>> Dave
>>
> On 2013-04-09 I sent the following reminder to all individuals that had
> expressed interest in working on documentation but had not yet signed up
> for the mailing list:
> 
>> You recently expressed interest in working on documentation for
>> ApacheOpenOffice. To date you have not signed up for our mailing list
>> which is
> where we discuss everything having to do with documentation for the
> project.
>>
>> Currently we are concentrating on user guides for Version 4.0 and we
> need help of all sorts for these.If you are still interested please
> subscribe to the mailing list by sending a blank e-mail to
> mailto:doc-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and follow the instructions
> in the return email or for those that prefer using nntp instead set your
> news reader to news.gmane.org and subscribe to
> gmane.comp.apache.openoffice.doc and join us.
>>
>> Regards Keith McKenna
> 
> To date I have had no replies. If one of our moderators could check and
> see if we have had an increase from the 63 registered users that were on
> the list that Dave Barton sent me on 2013-03-26 it would be greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> It is to say the least disheartening to look at the status page and see
> the same few names as doing all the work both writing (Ricardo) and
> editing.
> 
> As a group we need to work towards finding ways to motivate others to
> become more active and to recruit new members, especially those with
> knowledge of Calc, Impress and Base who can start writing the Guides for
> those applications.
> 
> Regards
> Keith



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Re: Use of Ricardo's Status page.

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Rob Weir 
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:07:53 -0400

> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Keith N. McKenna
>  wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Keith N. McKenna
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> RGB ES wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/3/19 Rob Weir 
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RGB ES wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ricardo;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I appreciate the link and hopefully it will prompt people to start
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> more. I have been wracking my brains trying to think of ways to get
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> people interested. We seem to have had a flurry after the initial
>>>>>>> announcement, but except for a few entries in the status document I
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> nothing except your excellent work. We need to figure out some way to
>>>>>>> attract people with the skill and knowledge to start on the other
>>>>>>> applications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we need more "hand holding" and guidance for new volunteers.
>>>>>> Just pointing them to wiki is not enough.  With QA new volunteers I
>>>>>> gave them specific assignments at first, e.g., review these 10 bug
>>>>>> reports.  I know it sounds odd to "assign" tasks to volunteers, but
>>>>>> until they find their way around and self-assign tasks, this is a good
>>>>>> way for them to get started.  In return, with QA, I promised to review
>>>>>> their early work and give them feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I wonder if we can come up with set of specific tasks, of various
>>>>>> sizes, from 1 to 8 hours, and specifically asked new volunteers to
>>>>>> pick from that list?  It might work better.
>>>>>>
>>>> It is certainly worth a try. We have hard virtually nothing from many of
>>>> the
>>>> volunteers since there initial contact.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Another thing would be for one of the moderators of the mailing list
>>> to cross reference current list subscribers with those who said they
>>> wanted to help.  Some of them may not have subscribed to the list.
>>> With the QA team I did that and then sent reminders to those who were
>>> not yet signed up.
>>
>>
>> I am not a moderator but if one can get the list and e-mail it to me I will
>> do the cross check and send out the reminders.
>>
> 
> OK.  I'm not a moderator on this list either.  So who is?
> 
> -Rob
> 
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>> Any moderator can request the subscriber list by sending this commend
>>> from their moderator email address:   doc-l...@openofice.apache.org
>>>
>>> Although you should not share the list publicly, since it has
>>> everyone's email address, it would be interesting to know how many
>>> people are subscribed in total.
>>>
>>> -Rob

The list of 63 subscribers has been sent directly to Keith.

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Re: Completed Introduction to Documentation

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Josh Severn 
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:35:15 -0800

> This will be my first time working with a community like this, so I
> will take of time to get acclimated to the guidelines and community
> rules, and appreciate your patience.
> 
> The Introduction materials are useful, they changed over the course of
> going through the Orientation, to include more steps in the "Get
> Started" section.
> 
> I work particularly well, as a new volunteer, with concrete tasks
> being assigned and ensuring an understanding of the expectations. With
> time, taking the initiative to find projects won't be a problem.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Joshua Severn
> jasev...@gmail.com
> 805-710-7127
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joshua-severn/20/252/6ab

Hi Joshua,

Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice community.

You have started in the right place by working though the introductory
modules. However, your email reached this list through the moderation
process, which suggests that you may have overlooked what the
introductory modules say about subscribing to one or more of the
project's mailing lists. Since you have have indicated your interest in
helping with documentation you should at least subscribe to this list
and read through the list archives to find out the progress of the
recently started documentation effort.
See https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-doc/
The project's main mailing list is the developer list which, despite the
connotations of it's name, is where most of the wider project issues are
discussed.
See:
https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#development-mailing-list-public

Like most open source projects, there are no "bosses" here to assign
tasks. We are all volunteers (some with more knowledge and/or
experience) and everyone is equal to the other. Just pick something that
interests you and go to work on it. If you are ever in doubt and need
help or guidance post to the most appropriate list and ask.

The recently established "User Guide Status" wiki page:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Status
may have something you would like review or edit. If so, read the
"Contributing in the Wiki" section of this page:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Contribute

Regards
Dave

Re: Draft blog post: Call for Documentation Volunteers

[Dave Fisher]

On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Donald Whytock  wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=call_for_documentation_volunteers
>> 
>> Looks good.  Did you want to say something about testing the new
>> release by writing documentation with it?
>> 
> 
> The actual writing for the new User Guides will be using the wiki. But
> perhaps the detailed walk-through of the product needed to document
> every dialog, etc., helps with the test coverage?

Nice post. One question for clarification. Which Wiki? I think we all probably 
agree that it is the MWiki, and I think we can describe why to choose one vs 
the other. MWiki is for documentation that is "permanent" while CWiki is for 
planning that is transitory - we'll plan an action but it is not really 
documentation.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> -Rob
> 
>> Don

Re: Make the IDL Reference a live documentation

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message 
From: Alexandro Colorado 
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org, and...@pitonyak.org
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:37:05 -0600
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <
> and...@pitonyak.org> wrote:
>
>> Alexandro, consider subscribing to the mailing list :-)
>>
> odd I have been on the list for a bit now, at least I have got doc mails in
> the past

Some thing strange is happing here. I just pulled a doc subscriber list
and Alexandro's email address is definitely included, but his posts are
coming through moderation.

Alexandro, are you posting in html? If so try posting in plain text. I
have noticed that the list servers can be a bit fussy about this.

Regards
Dave