Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Joshua Slive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The
  httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion.

+1 to switching.

Those who are complaining know where the source is and they can
improve upon it themselves if they so desire.  Until then, sure, this
design is, IMO, more accessible than what's there now.  -- justin

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Re: Conference banners on http://httpd.apache.org/ ?

2007-10-17 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 10/17/07, Rich Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What's the necessary approval chain to make a change to
 http://httpd.apache.org/ ?
 In particular, I'd like to add banners for us.apachecon.com and ossummit.com
 I'm not clear if I should just go ahead and do it, or if I have to have the
 approval of a certain number of people.

Just do it.  -- justin

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Re: mod_proxy_balancer

2007-06-22 Thread Justin Erenkrantz

On 6/18/07, Rich Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Can someone set me straight? I have some functional examples from
various tutorials, but it would be really nice to have working
examples in the documentation, rather than vague allusions to cool
functionality. This is a wonderful module, and we need to help people
use it.

Who should I be speaking with, and is he/she on this list?


If it's helpful, my slides from last years' OSCON talk on mod_proxy
are on my site:

http://www.erenkrantz.com/oscon/OSCON%202006%20Apache%20mod_proxy.pdf

Feel free to borrow whatever you'd like from there or link to it or whatever.

Go crazy.  -- justin

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Re: Changes/commits to httpd.apache.org

2007-06-18 Thread Justin Erenkrantz

On 6/18/07, Jason Lingohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm a little confused.

A while back, one would commit the xdocs changes to the repos, and the
site would hourly rebuild the HTML and populate our website.


That's never been automatic - you have to commit the output of the
HTML generation and then run svn up on the people.a.o checkout.  --
justin

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Re: search engine in apache docs

2007-06-15 Thread Justin Erenkrantz

On 6/13/07, Sander Temme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

browser.  While we'd obviously not be flying that high, would the ASF be
entitled to any such revenue from our own search box, or the individual
who happens to own the account?


FWIW, we don't want to be involved with any such ad-sharing from
Google (or anyone else for that matter) - there are deep tax
implications involved for our non-profit status.  So, turning off ads
is just fine...  -- justin

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Re: Linking to Rich's book

2007-05-31 Thread Justin Erenkrantz

On 5/31/07, Vincent Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Or another option could be to update the httpd books page and link to that.

http://httpd.apache.org/info/apache_books.html


I'd prefer to use the Apache Bookstore wiki off:
http://www.apachebookstore.com/ - just because links off that site
help the ASF and its 'officially' sanctioned.  Plus, it's more of a
'central' resource than maintaining something off our website or on
our own wiki.

However, I'll note that some smart aleck renamed the httpd page.  I'll
poke Ted about fixing that.

Thanks.  -- justin

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Re: Linking to Rich's book

2007-05-31 Thread Justin Erenkrantz

On 5/31/07, Vincent Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Perhaps you'd remind him to add Nick Kew's modules book and Rich
Bowen's rewrite book too?


Well, it's a wiki - you can add it.  =P

(I just fixed the page name and some other minor tweaks.)


Whom should I poke to get this page updated (the link to atlassian is wrong)?
http://httpd.apache.org/info/apache_books.html


The source file is here:

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/site/trunk/xdocs/info/apache_books.html

Feel free to submit a patch - someone will commit it.

Thanks!  -- justin

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Re: Rewrite wiki

2007-05-31 Thread Justin Erenkrantz

On 5/30/07, Vincent Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There seems to be a consensus that the wiki should be used for guides
and cookbook oriented material whereas the official docs are for the
technical details of rewrite's operation. I'm biased towards this idea
as it's hard to get stuff looked at for non-committers on this list at
the moment (the archives have several ignored patches).


Well, uh, we're working on that front too.  Just wait.  =)


Looking at Rich's older rewrite wiki, it seems to be geared more
towards explaining the behaviour of rewrite's various directives and
flags than towards being a cookbook. There's a lot of good stuff in
there, but I'd like to restructure it and extract the recipe related
material for the wiki.


Makes sense.


As Joshua once said, This is docs land. Don't wait for consensus,
just do it (paraphrasing badly). So, I'm going to carry on along
these lines unless anyone thinks this isn't the right approach. Any
help would be appreciated of course :-)


Go for it!  -- justin

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Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Justin Erenkrantz

On 5/24/07, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On May 24, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:

 On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 08:05:30AM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote:
 External links are encouraged where they add substantial value, but
 you may not link to your own pages or otherwise seek private benefits
 from external links.

 I like the elegance of this rule, because if it's your page and you
 words, well you can just add the content to the wiki anyway. But at
 the
 same time it may invite even more awkward and inappropriate behaviour,
 e.g. paying someone else to add the links on your behalf.

 I think this problem is always going to fall into the We know abuse
 when we see it category, it requires a vague kind of rule-making
 which
 only humans can apply.

 I'm in favour of banning these links in this instance, though not all
 external links.


+1


aol /  -- justin

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Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Justin Erenkrantz

On 5/24/07, Jorge Schrauwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Maybe one rule that states that {INSERT AUTHERIZED PEOPLE HERE} can
make a decision on a dispute. Example: some external link that provide
bad/false or not prefured information.
If that person/persons decide the link needs to go it should.
Optionally these decision can be posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for comunity
input.


That group should be the members of the HTTP Server PMC.  We don't
need to create yet another group for wiki oversight - the current
oversight is working well (more or less) - this is an instance of that
oversight kicking in.

(I am all for people who help with documentation to be on the PMC.
Those PMC members who are following such activity should feel free to
nominate worthy folks to the PMC!)  -- justin

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Re: svn commit: r332958 - /httpd/httpd/branches/2.2.x/docs/manual/style/build.properties

2005-11-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:58:09AM +0100, Andr Malo wrote:
 Good point. I haven't figured out yet a way to unify the code and docs trees 
 in this regard (docco folks typically have only the docs tree checked out).

I honestly don't care if it is unified.  A single value to change in the
docs tree would be sufficient.  If we can unify that lone value at a
later date with the code tree, cool, but not as important as getting a
single value in the docs directory, IMHO.

  Thanks for the prop fixes.  I didn't get any error about the empty tags
  being invalid - I wonder why you did.  -- justin
 
 `build validate-xml` :-) [1]
 It might be questionable to reject empty lists, though. We can change the 
 DTDs if we want to.

*nod*

 [1] `build -projecthelp` shows all possible targets

FWIW, I tried 'build help' and it didn't do anything.  So, I gave up
trying to get help.  =(  -- justin

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Re: document location using SVN

2005-01-05 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Wednesday, January 5, 2005 1:53 PM -0500 Jeff Trawick 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm guessing that somebody forgot the snafu in cvs where 1.3 docs were
separate from 1.3 code, resulting in the 1.3 docs being accidentally
omitted from svn.
Partially right: the 1.3 docs weren't separate at one point, so they have 
overlapping branch info with the 1.3 code.  Furthermore, the 2.0 docs were 
*copied* from the RCS files.  (The httpd-2.0 code repository was a clean 
import rather than a copy.)  So, the 2.0 docs had the same branch info for 
everything up until the 1.3/2.0 branch point.  Hence, you can't import both 
of them cleanly.

About every single mistake possible with copying in CVS is illustrated in 
the httpd-docs-1.3 module.  Sigh.

Personally I have no idea how to get the 1.3 docs into the 1.3 svn
branch and maintain old revision history.
Doable, but it's a significant amount of effort.  The two easiest solutions 
would be: 1) abandon the docs entirely (see Rich's post), or 2) ditch the 
history (they will be available with CVS) and just import the latest docs 
into the 1.3 branch.  -- justin

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RE: document location using SVN

2005-01-05 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Wednesday, January 5, 2005 11:38 PM +0100 Sander Striker 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

or 2) ditch the history (they will be available with CVS) and just
import the latest docs into the 1.3 branch.
works for me
Yeah, given the effort/return ratio here, I'll put my +1 here.
Okay, so it seems we have a consensus for #2.
However, httpd-docs-1.3 contains more than was checked out with apache-1.3:
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/httpd-docs-1.3/
The htdocs dir was automagically checked out into apache-1.3.  I will 
import that shortly.

But, where should the rest of it go?  apidoc/ and the top-level directory 
hasn't been changed in roughly 3 or 4 years!  So, the fact that there's no 
obvious home leads me to believe they might just be skipped...

Anyone?  -- justin
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Re: Web site translation

2004-11-30 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Monday, November 29, 2004 6:33 PM -0700 Paul Querna 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Do other developers have objections to moving the website to XSLT (like the
manual) instead of the current Velocity/Anakia?
I would recommend that any initial XSLT source transforms be kept as close to 
the Anakia templates as possible.  (i.e. keep section, etc.)  Otherwise, 
we're only going to change it to change it and we shouldn't have to force 
ourselves to learn something new just because one or two think it's cool - and 
that's bad.

My secondary goal is that we should ensure the build process and file layout 
is as simple as it is now with httpd-site.  If it doesn't work or is 
confusing, people will tend to ignore the site.  IMHO, this is probably why 
some developers don't touch the docs as they might otherwise.  -- justin

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Re: Web site translation

2004-11-29 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Monday, November 29, 2004 11:44 AM +0900 Yoshiki Hayashi 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

More than a year after I proposed web site translation, I
finally sat down for a while and did necessary coding to add
translation support.
BTW, this might need to be discussed on [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well.  This is going to 
affect all developers who touch the site.

  Does anyone object to the direction we are going? i.e.,
  having translation of web site at all?
No, not really.  However, I'm concerned about how long the translations could 
stay out of sync.  There's going to be times when we try to post an urgent 
notice and if the translator is asleep (or AWOL for a few weeks), then that's 
troublesome.  One idea: perhaps when we change the English version of a page, 
we pull all translations until the individual translation is sync'd up?

  Now that we have true version control software, I think
  the way to go is to create a branch like Paul did.
  I'm going to create
  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/site/branches/translation
  unless someone objects.
  Is there any policy on how to create and use branch?
That's fine, I guess.  However, if we have two branches going: one for css 
deployment and translation, that could end up being nasty to merge back 
together

  I extended Anakia to do some new things like providing
  context to get available languages and getting the
  destination filename.  I'd like to put the source code
  somewhere in Subversion repository.  Where shoud I put it?
  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/site-build looks like a
  good candidate to me.
First, you should post the source code changes either to here or [EMAIL PROTECTED] so 
that we can review it.  I'm not sure what exactly you changed.  Did you change 
Velocity?  Or, just the Velocity templates that we used?  -- justin

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Re: Web site translation

2004-11-29 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Monday, November 29, 2004 1:10 PM +0100 André Malo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
(And when I see the output of the forrest using projects, I don't like it).
You aren't the only one.  Forrest frequently produces non XHTML pages.  Plus, 
forrest is a disaster to run.  No way we're going to use Forrest.  -- justin

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Re: moving docs build tools to httpd

2004-11-27 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Friday, November 26, 2004 8:06 AM +0100 André Malo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Did you already mv them, nd?
Nope. Justin...? :-)
Done.  =)  -- justin
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program tag a la module tag?

2004-11-27 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
While I don't know how to do this, I think it'd be nice if we had a tag that 
acted similarly to module for programs.  For example 
programhtcacheclean/program would act similarly to 
modulemod_cache/module.

I don't profess to know what it'd take to do this, but it'd be nice.  If it's 
too much, feel free to ignore me.  =)  -- justin

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Re: program tag a la module tag?

2004-11-27 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:27 PM +0100 André Malo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Actually I've thought about it from time to time, too, so +1. How should it
look? Any idea? Just blue, monospace?
Blue, monospace is fine.  I'm just interested in not having to remember where 
the programs/ directory is - and to make our references consistent.  -- justin

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Re: program tag a la module tag?

2004-11-27 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:44 PM +0100 Astrid Keßler 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm not sure whether we need a program tag.
module indicates a special case of link. It is a shortcut for a
href=.../moduledir/... class=module. What would program indicate?
Are all program documentations saved in the same directory (tree)? Do we
want to use a special layout for those links? What is your intention?
Well, it looks like all the support programs docs are in ../programs/..., so 
if it were essentially the same as modules but were for programs, that'd be 
ideal.

It's not very much effort to add a program element. The biggest work
would be, to change all existing programm links. :)
I'd volunteer to help change them, of course.  -- justin
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Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/docs/manual new_features_2_2.html new_features_2_2.html.en new_features_2_2.xml new_features_2_2.xml.meta

2004-11-07 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 pquerna 2004/11/06 22:01:50

   Added:   docs/manual new_features_2_2.html
 new_features_2_2.html.en
 new_features_2_2.xml new_features_2_2.xml.meta
   Log:
   First Swing at a 2.0 - 2.2 New Features Document.

 As long as we just have 2.1, wouldn't it be better to have a
 new_features_2_1
 document? We use the 2.1 version number all over the docs.
 (and I don't see 2.2 tomorrow ;)

IMHO, no.  2.1 will never be a 'public' release by our versioning
definition.  Only 2.2 will be something that we'd recommend to the general
public.  2.1 could only be at best beta.  -- justin


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Re: don't distribute docs with source?

2003-06-04 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Tuesday, June 3, 2003 10:52 PM +0200 Mads Toftum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some of your concerns could probably be solved by moving the docs out of
httpd-2.0 in cvs, like src and docs are seperate in 1.3.
As an advisory, I'd be *really* against separating them out like 1.3.  I've 
been really aggravated by that separation.  Yes, the 2.x docs and source now 
have two separate build systems, but I honestly don't think it is a big deal 
for developers - it enforces that the docs and code represent the 'same' 
version.

As a question, how would we deal with the branches to represent 
stable/unstable if we have separate source repositories for the doc and 
source?  By keeping them in the same repository, it's trivial.

I'd also say that separating out the docs into language packs doesn't seem 
right either as there should only be one release tarball.  Having to sign and 
produce 20 or 30 'releases' (even if some are merely snapshots of the docs) 
would be confusing to both users and the poor RMs.  -- justin

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Re: MPM installation example

2003-02-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:52 AM -0500 Joshua Slive 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ah okay.  The big warning box overwhelmed me and I missed the
example. Another suggestion: why not do an example with a
non-existant mpm name (as in to active an mpm called
varmpm_name/var use
--with-varmpm_name/var.  This would make sure nobody screwed
themselves up with a copy-paste.
Don't you mean:
--with-mpm=varmpm_name/var
?  -- justin
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Re: Commenting Manpages

2003-01-28 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
[ Moving to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
--On Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:10 AM -0800 Ian Holsman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

has anyone considering doing something similiar to the comment
system that php does with their man pages?
Rich brought this point up on the community@ list when we discussed 
the merits of a wiki.  Rather than put words into Rich's mouth, I'll 
shut up and let him speak.  (Or, let others have a chance to comment.)

But, this discussion definitely belongs on [EMAIL PROTECTED]  -- justin
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Re: /support

2002-12-31 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Saturday, December 28, 2002 4:25 AM +0100 Astrid Keßler 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A lot of utilities compiled by default are mentioned to be found in
the directory /support. Wouldn't it be better to point to the
default installation directory /bin (in most cases) in the docs?
Sure.  +1.  -- justin
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Re: [Review] mod_deflate.xml (Revision)

2002-11-27 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:38 AM +0100 André Malo 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Good point. I read (again ;-) some sections in RFC 2616 and found:
14.11 Content-Encoding
   The Content-Encoding entity-header field is used as a modifier
to themedia-type.
   [...]
   The content-coding is a characteristic of the entity identified
bythe Request-URI. [...]
*kaboom*. If I understand that correctly, it's *wrong* to serve
compressed  content under the same URI (and the same
*entity*-tag-header). It seems,  dynamic compression should be
noted in Transfer-Encoding. And... I guess in  that case it must
not (or should not?) be noted in Vary:.
hmm...???
Nah, ISTR, we have had this discussion before and we said that the 
ETag should remain the same even when mod_deflate is invovled.  The 
content (barring corruption) should be identical.  -- justin

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Re: Suggestion: add revision number to docs

2002-09-15 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 01:28:41AM +0200, Astrid Keßler wrote:
 This could be done by writing $Revision$ into the file. The CVS will
 replace it to $Revision: x.y $, where x.y is the revision number. As
 long as this string exists, revision number will automatically be
 updated.

I think this is a bad idea.  -0.  

There are much better ways to get the revision of the file - such as
cvs stat, watching commit logs, etc. - without polluting the original
file.

Commit early and often if you are worried about getting
out-of-sync.  -- justin

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Re: Review: AddOutputFilterByType (was: no doc for MaxMemFree or AddOutputFilterByType)

2002-09-15 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 02:08:45AM +0200, André Malo wrote:
 +pIf you want the content to be processed by more than one filter, you
 +have to use one directiveAddOutputFilterByType/directive
 +directive for each of them. Filters of the same type are processed in
 +strongreversed/strong order they appear in your configuration,
 +but see also a href=../sections.html#merginin which order
 +configuration sections are merged/a./p

Hmm, we should be able to support DEFLATE;INCLUDES.  For example:

AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE;INCLUDES text/html

Err, yeah, the code doesn't like that.  I'll try to fix that up
today if I get a chance.

Otherwise, +1.  -- justin

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Re: Question on install.xml/install.html.en

2002-09-15 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 02:53:06AM +0200, Astrid Keßler wrote:
  For some of the support scripts like apxs or dbmmanage (which are
  written in Perl) the Perl 5 interpreter is required (versions 5.003 and
  5.004 are sufficient)

5.003 or newer are sufficient.  -- justin

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Re: docs for auth rewrite

2002-09-12 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 02:08:47PM -0700, Joshua Slive wrote:
 
 If we are staying with the auth rewrite, I think we need to get some docs
 for it right away.  There was already a posting on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list
 from someone who needed to run bleeding-edge cvs (for subversion) but
 couldn't get auth to work.  The only thing I could tell him was to back up
 to STRIKER_2_0_41_PRE2.

I'd prefer to get it finalized and people using it somewhat before
we start documenting it.  The code really needs to get tried out by
the developers first as I'm not entirely sold on some of the
directives yet.

It's a chicken and egg problem, I know.  =(  

If I have time this weekend, I may take a pass at writing some docs,
but no promises.  -- justin

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Re: env.xml validation problem

2002-08-24 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 07:41:59PM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote:
 Sorry Justin.  It seems I'm always picking on you lately ;-)

Heh.  No offense intended or taken.  If we agreed on everything,
this world would be a boring place...  (In all honesty, I was
going to bring up the issue of renaming it before you posted;
once you posted, I just replied to your message.)

 I certainly don't recommend changing the actual env variable.  I 
 wouldn't have chosen that name myself, but it's done now and I'm fine 
 with it.

Which is precisely my point.  -- justin

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Updated transformations...

2002-05-16 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
ezmlm bounced the commit message, but I did this.  -- justin

---
jerenkrantz02/05/15 23:53:49

  Modified:docs/manual/mod core.html directives.html index.html
mod_access.html mod_actions.html mod_alias.html
mod_asis.html mod_auth.html mod_auth_anon.html
mod_auth_dbm.html mod_auth_digest.html
mod_autoindex.html mod_cache.html
mod_cern_meta.html mod_cgi.html mod_cgid.html
mod_charset_lite.html mod_dav.html mod_deflate.html
mod_dir.html mod_env.html mod_example.html
mod_expires.html mod_ext_filter.html
mod_file_cache.html mod_headers.html mod_imap.html
mod_include.html mod_info.html mod_isapi.html
mod_log_config.html mod_mime.html
mod_mime_magic.html mod_negotiation.html
mod_proxy.html mod_rewrite.html mod_setenvif.html
mod_so.html mod_speling.html mod_ssl.html
mod_status.html mod_suexec.html mod_suexec.ja.html
mod_unique_id.html mod_userdir.html
mod_usertrack.html mod_vhost_alias.html
mpm_common.html mpm_netware.html mpm_winnt.html
perchild.html prefork.html worker.html
  Log:
  Transformations done with Xalan-J.
  
  (No one could reproduce the transformations that were in CVS, so regenerate
  the entire shabang.)
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Re: xml build system

2002-05-08 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:28:37AM -0400, Rich Bowen wrote:
 Agreed, but if most of the developers were to use an XML browser, the
 conversion could be done, say, once a week, by someone with the
 know-how, rather than having to have all of the individuals involved
 know how to do it.

The rationale for standardizing on a specific XML toolset is
so that the conversions in the repository don't consistently
flip-flop.

Right now, if everyone were to use their own transformation
tools and versions, the diffs in the repository would be
horrendous.  

I would back the rationale for updating the HTML at the same
time as the XML so that our website could be properly
updated when the docs change.  -- justin

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Re: German translation

2002-03-03 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 07:37:47PM -0500, Cliff Woolley wrote:
 The documentation is covered under the Apache Software License same as
 everything else I believe, so nothing's stopping anybody from taking the
 documentation, doing whatever they want to it, and publishing it.  :)

What a dry book that'd be!  -- justin


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Re: New website...

2001-11-09 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:14:29PM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
 Converted the contributors page to Anakia format, so that is the
 last major page on httpd.apache.org that needs to be converted...
 
 http://httpd.apache.org/~jerenkrantz/httpd-site/
 http://httpd.apache.org/~jerenkrantz/httpd-site/contributors/
 http://httpd.apache.org/~jerenkrantz/httpd-site/info/

Anyone have a problem if I check in what I have now to httpd-site?
(Not necessarily make it live just yet though...)

Should I cvs delete the old files, or should I move the ,v files
over?  -- justin


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