Re: [libreoffice-documentation] documentation at oooauthors
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 00:30 +0100, Sigrid Carrera wrote: > Hi Andy, > > Am Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:03:47 -0800 > schrieb Andy Brown : > > > On Mon Dec 06 2010 14:00:21 GMT-0800 (PST) Sigrid Carrera wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > [...] > > > Sigrid, > > > > Link works for me. > > Thanks Andy. > > What I find very strange is, that I have manager rights on oooauthors, > I see the review list, but I can't see this folder. > > I checked the rights that I had, changed them, logged off and on again > - and still nothing changed. I can't see any content in this folder. > > Btw, I also don't see an "English" folder in the left bar when I go to > oooauthors, I only see it, when I add /english to the url manually. > > That's so strange. > > Sigrid > > Hi Sigrid, That really is very strange, because as you said you do have manager rights (and all the other rights), just as you have had for years. I have now checked your permissions and they haven't changed. You could clear your browser's cache and/or try a different browser, but you have probably thought of that already. Here are two direct links into the folders where the LibO GS files are stored. Can you see these folders and files from a direct link? http://www.oooauthors.org/english/libreoffice3/getting-started/draft-lo3.3 http://www.oooauthors.org/english/libreoffice3/getting-started/feedback-lo3.3 The files Ron has worked on are in feedback-lo3.3; the ones he has not done yet are in draft-lo3.3. If all those suggestions don't work... I have no idea what's wrong! You can get the same files directly from the LibO website, but that does not solve the mystery at OOoAuthors. Last thought... you said you can see the Review List. Do you see a bunch of LibO files on the list? What happens if you click on them? Can you get to the LibO folders that way? --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] documentation at oooauthors
Hi Sigrid, :-) On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 06:00, Sigrid Carrera wrote: > I wanted to check a few of the chapters, that Ron ported from OOo to > LibO. When I logged in at oooauthors, I couldn't find the folder given > in this link: Please may I just ask you what you're going to be checking? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
On 12/06/2010 02:54 AM, David Nelson wrote: To make some *effective* progress with producing the large amount of documentation that is currently lacking, someone needs to become acting documentation team lead until such time that TDF makes an official appointment. If you support my "coup d'etat", respond with +1. David Nelson +1 -- jdc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] documentation at oooauthors
On 12/6/2010 5:39 PM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: I will try to access those as well - but I guess all work has to waitnow, it's time for me to go to bed - past midnight already. Sigrid I've worked on the chapter template (LibO3_3_chapter_template), starting fresh from Jean's updated template and put it on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Produce I've left the date off the filename so it will be easier to update later as Jean suggested. Please disregard any previous versions of the template I've posted. Thanks. Ron -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] documentation at oooauthors
On 12/6/2010 5:39 PM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: I think the place is good. I don't prefer one over the other. Since Ican't see any contents of those folders, can you tell me, under which OS you did the screenshots and with which settings/theme? Sigrid I did them under Windows 7 with small Galaxy icons. Ron -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] documentation at oooauthors
On Mon Dec 06 2010 15:30:36 GMT-0800 (PST) Sigrid Carrera wrote: Hi Andy, Thanks Andy. What I find very strange is, that I have manager rights on oooauthors, I see the review list, but I can't see this folder. I checked the rights that I had, changed them, logged off and on again - and still nothing changed. I can't see any content in this folder. Btw, I also don't see an "English" folder in the left bar when I go to oooauthors, I only see it, when I add /english to the url manually. That's so strange. Sigrid That is strange. I only have regular rights on the site. If I click the link I go right to the folder and see all the files. If I go to the front page then I can follow the links to the folder. Beats me. :( Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] documentation at oooauthors
Hi Ron, Am Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:22:45 -0600 schrieb Ron Faile : > On 12/6/2010 4:00 PM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I wanted to check a few of the chapters, that Ron ported from OOo to > > LibO. When I logged in at oooauthors, I couldn't find the folder > > given in this link: > > > > http://www.oooauthors.org/english/libreoffice3/getting-started > > > > And when I entered the name manually, I only got the message, that > > the folder is empty. I also don't see any other subfolder like a > > feedback folder for this directory. > > > > Does anyone have an idea, what I could try? Or were the documents > > there removed and I have to go to the TDF wiki and grab the > > documents from there? > > > > > > Sigrid > > > Hi Sigrid, > That is the correct link and the files are there. You have to have > author privileges to see them, even if you're logged in. Email Jean > if you haven't been set up already. Oh, I can do this myself - I have manager rights there. But I should have the author role, since I was translating from English to German. ;) > From previous posts, I think it has been decided to start off with > the published OOo 3.3 docs and redo the work we've done on the LibO > docs that are there. Partly because the OOo docs are more updated and > make a better starting point, but also because there are some issues > with the LibO files that I've been working on (explained earlier) > that make it necessary to start afresh. Yeah, I think I remember reading this. So I'll start with a published chapter from the Getting Started guide. > You might want to check with David, but I think the next steps are to > take an OOo chapter and start porting it while incorporating any > worthwhile changes we've made so far to the LibO docs. Some of the > screenshots that I've made are posted on the OOoAuthors site. So > those don't have to be redone. I will post them all to the wiki if > that's where the group wants to host them. Just let me know. I think the place is good. I don't prefer one over the other. Since I can't see any contents of those folders, can you tell me, under which OS you did the screenshots and with which settings/theme? > Screenshots at OOoAuthors: > http://www.oooauthors.org/english/libreoffice3/images I will try to access those as well - but I guess all work has to wait now, it's time for me to go to bed - past midnight already. > Liberation fonts: > http://www.oooauthors.org/english/libreoffice3/resources Thanks, I did install those fonts already after you mentioning them the first time. ;) Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] documentation at oooauthors
Hi Andy, Am Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:03:47 -0800 schrieb Andy Brown : > On Mon Dec 06 2010 14:00:21 GMT-0800 (PST) Sigrid Carrera wrote: > > Hi, > > [...] > Sigrid, > > Link works for me. Thanks Andy. What I find very strange is, that I have manager rights on oooauthors, I see the review list, but I can't see this folder. I checked the rights that I had, changed them, logged off and on again - and still nothing changed. I can't see any content in this folder. Btw, I also don't see an "English" folder in the left bar when I go to oooauthors, I only see it, when I add /english to the url manually. That's so strange. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] documentation at oooauthors
On 12/6/2010 4:00 PM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: Hi, I wanted to check a few of the chapters, that Ron ported from OOo to LibO. When I logged in at oooauthors, I couldn't find the folder given in this link: http://www.oooauthors.org/english/libreoffice3/getting-started And when I entered the name manually, I only got the message, that the folder is empty. I also don't see any other subfolder like a feedback folder for this directory. Does anyone have an idea, what I could try? Or were the documents there removed and I have to go to the TDF wiki and grab the documents from there? Sigrid Hi Sigrid, That is the correct link and the files are there. You have to have author privileges to see them, even if you're logged in. Email Jean if you haven't been set up already. From previous posts, I think it has been decided to start off with the published OOo 3.3 docs and redo the work we've done on the LibO docs that are there. Partly because the OOo docs are more updated and make a better starting point, but also because there are some issues with the LibO files that I've been working on (explained earlier) that make it necessary to start afresh. You might want to check with David, but I think the next steps are to take an OOo chapter and start porting it while incorporating any worthwhile changes we've made so far to the LibO docs. Some of the screenshots that I've made are posted on the OOoAuthors site. So those don't have to be redone. I will post them all to the wiki if that's where the group wants to host them. Just let me know. Screenshots at OOoAuthors: http://www.oooauthors.org/english/libreoffice3/images Liberation fonts: http://www.oooauthors.org/english/libreoffice3/resources Ron -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice WikiHelp
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:34 AM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > Hi, > > I am sorry - I promised the LibO online help (WikiHelp) already the last > week, but it haven't happened; it needed more work than anticipated :-( > > Either way, the good news is that I am currently uploading the files, > and I'll make the site online as soon as it finishes, and I do few > trivial checks; it should be later today (ETA 5 more hours, I am > populating the database through the Mediawiki API, not directly). So > far I am uploading only the English version. > > It will be read-only until RC2, so that it is easy to report bugs > against the tooling that converts the help from the format that is used > in the source code. After RC2, I plan to open it for your edits & > improvements :-) Jan, I am looking forward to seeing this in action. As this was discussed in the documentation conference call, the documentation team can't wait to sink their teeth into this one. Maybe a localisation team representative can join us on the next documentation call to discuss their needs and you can explain how the system will be implemented. Clearly there can't be a different system for every language, however as we discussed, if this were to be transitioned to the Drupal site under development some time in the future I am sure that editorial quality and localisation teams would be very happy with the outcome. I would love to be able to try out some of the editing systems sooner rather than later as we are quickly approaching launch of 3.3 with an RC out already. Could some people on the documentation team get access to write? Martin Srebotnjak wrote: >Have these things been discussed and approved by the lang-teams? Or is >this the same pattern as with OOo - the big guns decide what will >happen and the lang-teams must do it their way? No matter how >inappropriate that decision is for the localizers? There are no 'big guns' in the LibreOffice project as has been discussed within the Steering Committee and on many other conference calls. However there are too many localisation teams to discuss and decide with every one regarding infrastructure, which would likely result in duplication and un-coordinated systems. AFAIK there is an understanding that if people are interested in 'how' something is implemented such as documentation, websites, marketing, etc. they join the appropriate team who makes an informed decision while requesting input from stakeholders. It is a simple flat structure which with collaboration between groups should work very well, as is happening with the Drupal website that is being developed. I can't see this being any different. The Drupal team is working hard to ensure that no matter what language you will be able to contribute to these core infrastructure teams when the site is launched early next year. Michael Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] documentation at oooauthors
On Mon Dec 06 2010 14:00:21 GMT-0800 (PST) Sigrid Carrera wrote: Hi, I wanted to check a few of the chapters, that Ron ported from OOo to LibO. When I logged in at oooauthors, I couldn't find the folder given in this link: http://www.oooauthors.org/english/libreoffice3/getting-started And when I entered the name manually, I only got the message, that the folder is empty. I also don't see any other subfolder like a feedback folder for this directory. Does anyone have an idea, what I could try? Or were the documents there removed and I have to go to the TDF wiki and grab the documents from there? Sigrid Sigrid, Link works for me. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] documentation at oooauthors
Hi, I wanted to check a few of the chapters, that Ron ported from OOo to LibO. When I logged in at oooauthors, I couldn't find the folder given in this link: http://www.oooauthors.org/english/libreoffice3/getting-started And when I entered the name manually, I only got the message, that the folder is empty. I also don't see any other subfolder like a feedback folder for this directory. Does anyone have an idea, what I could try? Or were the documents there removed and I have to go to the TDF wiki and grab the documents from there? Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
On 12/6/2010 2:54 AM, David Nelson wrote: If you support my "coup d'etat", respond with +1. David Nelson +1 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice WikiHelp
Hi Kendy, :-) On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 00:04, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > Hi, > > I am sorry - I promised the LibO online help (WikiHelp) already the last > week, but it haven't happened; it needed more work than anticipated :-( > > Either way, the good news is that I am currently uploading the files, > and I'll make the site online as soon as it finishes, and I do few > trivial checks; it should be later today (ETA 5 more hours, I am > populating the database through the Mediawiki API, not directly). So > far I am uploading only the English version. > > It will be read-only until RC2, so that it is easy to report bugs > against the tooling that converts the help from the format that is used > in the source code. After RC2, I plan to open it for your edits & > improvements :-) That's great... I'm sure we'll all be looking forward to seeing it. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice WikiHelp
2010/12/6 Jan Holesovsky : > Hi, > > I am sorry - I promised the LibO online help (WikiHelp) already the last > week, but it haven't happened; it needed more work than anticipated :-( > > Either way, the good news is that I am currently uploading the files, > and I'll make the site online as soon as it finishes, and I do few > trivial checks; it should be later today (ETA 5 more hours, I am > populating the database through the Mediawiki API, not directly). So > far I am uploading only the English version. > > It will be read-only until RC2, so that it is easy to report bugs > against the tooling that converts the help from the format that is used > in the source code. After RC2, I plan to open it for your edits & > improvements :-) Have you developed processes to localize the WikiHelp? Thanks, Andras -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice WikiHelp
Hi Kendy, On 06/12/2010 19:04, Jan Holesovsky wrote: Hi, I am sorry - I promised the LibO online help (WikiHelp) already the last week, but it haven't happened; it needed more work than anticipated :-( Either way, the good news is that I am currently uploading the files, and I'll make the site online as soon as it finishes, and I do few trivial checks; it should be later today (ETA 5 more hours, I am populating the database through the Mediawiki API, not directly). So far I am uploading only the English version. It will be read-only until RC2, so that it is easy to report bugs against the tooling that converts the help from the format that is used in the source code. After RC2, I plan to open it for your edits& improvements :-) Please, also coordinate this work with localizers. We have spent thousand hundreds of hours on these help files and would like to be aware of what will happen to them, and how they will be handled now, the tranlsation process and so on. Having the help not available is currently seen as a stopper for RC1, so please, could you give us more details and explain what you're willing to do. Thanks in advance, Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice WikiHelp
Hi, I am sorry - I promised the LibO online help (WikiHelp) already the last week, but it haven't happened; it needed more work than anticipated :-( Either way, the good news is that I am currently uploading the files, and I'll make the site online as soon as it finishes, and I do few trivial checks; it should be later today (ETA 5 more hours, I am populating the database through the Mediawiki API, not directly). So far I am uploading only the English version. It will be read-only until RC2, so that it is easy to report bugs against the tooling that converts the help from the format that is used in the source code. After RC2, I plan to open it for your edits & improvements :-) Regards, Kendy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
Hi David, Hope after the coup you will prove a benevolent dictator! +1 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
It is only a coup if there is someone to overthrow. +1 On 06/12/2010 7:02 PM, "Sigrid Carrera" wrote: > Hi David, > > 2010/12/6 David Nelson : >> Hi, :-) >> > > [...] > >> I plan to organize regular team phone conferences, and to listen >> carefully to the ideas and opinions that team members voice. But then, >> after that, when a decision needs to be taken in order to allow >> tangible progress with the team's work, I plan to announce a decision >> and to proceed with whatever action is necessary to make it happen. > > That's great! I like this idea to have regular conferences. ;) > > [...] > >> If you support my "coup d'etat", respond with +1. > > +1 > > Sigrid > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > documentation+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
Hi David, 2010/12/6 David Nelson : > Hi, :-) > [...] > I plan to organize regular team phone conferences, and to listen > carefully to the ideas and opinions that team members voice. But then, > after that, when a decision needs to be taken in order to allow > tangible progress with the team's work, I plan to announce a decision > and to proceed with whatever action is necessary to make it happen. That's great! I like this idea to have regular conferences. ;) [...] > If you support my "coup d'etat", respond with +1. +1 Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 10:11 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > Hi David, > > David Nelson wrote (06-12-10 09:54) > > > The documentation team currently has no lead, and, IMHO, we are unable > > to function effectively like this. To make some *effective* progress > > with producing the large amount of documentation that is currently > > lacking, someone needs to become acting documentation team lead until > > such time that TDF makes an official appointment. > > > > [...] > > If you support my "coup d'etat", respond with +1. > > +1 > > Cor +1 Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
Hi David, David Nelson wrote (06-12-10 09:54) The documentation team currently has no lead, and, IMHO, we are unable to function effectively like this. To make some *effective* progress with producing the large amount of documentation that is currently lacking, someone needs to become acting documentation team lead until such time that TDF makes an official appointment. [...] If you support my "coup d'etat", respond with +1. +1 Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
Hi, :-) The documentation team currently has no lead, and, IMHO, we are unable to function effectively like this. To make some *effective* progress with producing the large amount of documentation that is currently lacking, someone needs to become acting documentation team lead until such time that TDF makes an official appointment. I have 25 years of professional experience working with technical documentation. I have only been involved in LibreOffice since the TDF launch, but I have been doing some writing, proofreading and reviewing for the project over the past couple of months. I am concerned and care about the current state of inactivity and disarray in documentation work. I offer to taken on the leadership and coordination of the team until that time. Florian Effenberger has agreed to grant me wiki administrator rights, so I will be able to do things such as reorganize the documentation pages, move pages, protect pages, delete pages, undelete pages and various other actions necessary for establishing a workflow for the docs team. I plan to organize regular team phone conferences, and to listen carefully to the ideas and opinions that team members voice. But then, after that, when a decision needs to be taken in order to allow tangible progress with the team's work, I plan to announce a decision and to proceed with whatever action is necessary to make it happen. Obviously, I can't do all the work by myself, and I am hoping that team members will feel that it's worthwhile to cooperate and contribute, and that a significant number of you will also take part in the work with me. If anyone feels that they are better qualified to take on this role, and is willing to put significant time and work into the project to make things really start happening, then please do speak up, and we can let meritocracy and natural democracy decide the issue. If there are other candidates, we can organize a vote by team members. (Let's define a team member as someone who speaks up in this thread, and who is willing to actually work on documentation, not just lurk silently or unproductively flame and distract the debate.) I have already approached some SC members. They told me that the organization is not yet there to make any official appointment, but that there is no reason why I can't take on the role on an acting basis, if I can convince team members to work with me. So I have *some* kind of tacit approval to try and make this work. Let's say that my understanding is that they will stand back and watch what develops. And then at a later date they will make their official decisions as they see fit. But this is certainly *not* an officially-approved initiative. I want to provoke a response from as many of you as possible. :-) If you support my "coup d'etat", respond with +1. If you feel you're a better candidate, then please speak up and tell us *why* and what your concretely propositions are. In that case, I hope you're willing to back that up by contributing lots of active work and time to the project. Because I promise that *I* am. If you actively disapprove of my initiative, then respond with -1. If you lurk and say nothing, I will consider that I have your tacit approval. Please can *all* concerned documentation workers please speak up? (Idle flamers and trolls, please refrain from adding unproductive noise to this discussion.) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
