[libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 6.4

2020-03-17 Thread Pulkit Krishna
Who is TRB who is writing the draft of Writer Guide 6.4?
Pulkit Krishna

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Possible improvement to Calc Guide

2020-03-17 Thread jlhart68
I think that a 500 chapter book would be daunting.  I would suggest it 
be Chapters that cover a group of similar functions. Ones that only vary 
slightly or have a common purpose.  An example would be all the 
amortization, future values, payment amount, and so on.


I do think that the functions need more explanation and examples of how 
to be used.   I also think that these functions will not change 
significantly over the years so a stand alone volume of Calc Functions 
would be a good way to go.


John Hart

On 3/17/20 14:46, toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote:

On 13/03/20 5:14 pm, Stephen Fanning wrote:

I would like to hear the opinions of members of the Documentation Team on a
potential improvement to the Calc Guide.

As you probably know, Calc provides a library of over 500 functions. The
6.2 Calc Guide includes an Appendix B entitled Description of Functions
which occupies over 70 pages (not an enjoyable read!).

My suggestion is to break Appendix B out into a book of its own, with
each function having its own chapter. Each chapter provides:
* Where and when the function would usually be used;
* When the function should not be used;
* The limitations of the various variables within the function;
* Where the function fails, and what to do, when it does fail;

I've started writing such a critter several times, but get side tracked
by other things that are semi-documented/undocumented/incorrectly
documented. This is an addition to finding work-arounds for things that
LibO can't do. (Shinji Enoki merely scratched the surface, in his talk
at Almeria last year.)

Jacques Tiberghien
_The Pascal Handbook_.
Sybex INC: 1981
ISBN: 0-89588-053-9
is the guide example I'm following.

But
B Held & T Richardson
_Microsoft Excel Functions and Formulas, Third edition_
Dulles VA: Mercury Learning and Information: 2015
ISBN: 978-1-937585-50-1
as does a book called something like _100 Formulas for Excel_.
(I can't find it on my drive. I'm running a script within Calibre, so it
isn't accessible, to find the correct title, or publication data.)
are pointers towards what I'm envisioning.

In an ideal world, we'd have
* LibreOffice For the Biological Sciences;
* LibreOffice For Business Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Educational and Psychological Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Engineering Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Environmental Sciences and Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Health Services management Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Human Resource Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Marketing  Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Social Science  Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Data Analysis;
* LibreOffice For Project Management;
* LibreOffice For Financial Analysis;
* LibreOffice For Economic Appraisal and Forecasting;
* LibreOffice For Stock Market Analysis;
* LibreOffice For Financial Simulation Modelling;

FWIW, I simply substituted "Excel" or "Excel 2016" with LibreOffice, to
create those titles.

jonathon



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4

2020-03-17 Thread Stephen Fanning
I have completed the first review of chapter 11 and returned it to the
Feedback folder.

Regards,

Steve


On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 20:10, Stephen Fanning 
wrote:

> I have taken chapters 11 (Images and Graphics) and 13 (Macros) for first
> review.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:02, Stephen Fanning 
> wrote:
>
>> I have completed a first review of Appendix A (Keyboard Shortcuts) and
>> placed the updated document in the Feedback folder.
>>
>> I am concerned about the section entitled "Shortcut keys for drawing
>> objects" (which only occupies one page). It is not an area that I am very
>> familiar with and was I unable to find / verify operation for  many of the
>> shortcuts mentioned. This might be due to my unfamiliarity (most likely) or
>> could be due to inaccuracies in the section (less likely but not
>> impossible). Please could somebody who is familiar with this material give
>> the page a quick review?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve Fanning
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 19:41, Stephen Fanning 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have taken Chapter 15 (Keyboard Shortcuts) for first review.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 20:00, Stephen Fanning 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have completed the first review of  Chapter 9 (Getting Started with
 Math) and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder.

 Regards,

 Steve


 On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:24, Stephen Fanning <
 stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have completed the first review of Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files)
> and returned the updated file to the Feedback folder.
>
> I have taken Chapter 9 (Getting Started with Math) for first review.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 16:05, Stephen Fanning <
> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have taken Chapter 12 (Creating HTML files) for first review.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Stephen Fanning <
>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have returned Chapter 14 (Customizing LO) to the Feedback folder.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:11, Stephen Fanning <
>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have returned Chapter 16 (Appendix B - Open Source) to the
 Feedback folder.

 Regards,

 Steve


 On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 14:16, Stephen Fanning <
 stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have returned Chapter 5 to the Feedback folder.
>
> I have taken Chapters 14 (Customizing LO) and 16 (Open Source) for
> first review.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 17:20, Stephen Fanning <
> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have returned Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder.
>>
>> I have taken Chapter 5 (Calc) for first review.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 20:21, Stephen Fanning <
>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have finished my review of Chapter 10 (Printing etc) and
>>> returned the updated version to the Feedback folder. In the absence 
>>> of any
>>> advice to the contrary, I have included more information on 
>>> printing in
>>> Math.
>>>
>>> I have taken Chapter 4 (Writer) for first review.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 19:50, Stephen Fanning <
>>> stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have returned Chapter 3 to the Feedback folder. I hope that
 my tracked edits are correct and helpful. There are also a small 
 number of
 queries in the form of embedded comments.

 I have taken Chapter 10 for first review.

 Regards,

 Steve

 On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:52, Stephen Fanning <
 stevemfanning...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for your kind words Jean.
>
> I have taken Chapter 3 for first review.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 05:23, Jean Weber 
> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>> Thank you for your review. It's a delight to work with
>> someone who is
>> so thorough in catching my "oops, I forgot to replace that
>> image" as
>> well as topics overlooked.
>> I agree with all your points and am making necessary changes.

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Possible improvement to Calc Guide

2020-03-17 Thread toki . kantoor
On 13/03/20 5:14 pm, Stephen Fanning wrote:
> I would like to hear the opinions of members of the Documentation Team on a
> potential improvement to the Calc Guide.
> 
> As you probably know, Calc provides a library of over 500 functions. The
> 6.2 Calc Guide includes an Appendix B entitled Description of Functions
> which occupies over 70 pages (not an enjoyable read!).

My suggestion is to break Appendix B out into a book of its own, with
each function having its own chapter. Each chapter provides:
* Where and when the function would usually be used;
* When the function should not be used;
* The limitations of the various variables within the function;
* Where the function fails, and what to do, when it does fail;

I've started writing such a critter several times, but get side tracked
by other things that are semi-documented/undocumented/incorrectly
documented. This is an addition to finding work-arounds for things that
LibO can't do. (Shinji Enoki merely scratched the surface, in his talk
at Almeria last year.)

Jacques Tiberghien
_The Pascal Handbook_.
Sybex INC: 1981
ISBN: 0-89588-053-9
is the guide example I'm following.

But
B Held & T Richardson
_Microsoft Excel Functions and Formulas, Third edition_
Dulles VA: Mercury Learning and Information: 2015
ISBN: 978-1-937585-50-1
as does a book called something like _100 Formulas for Excel_.
(I can't find it on my drive. I'm running a script within Calibre, so it
isn't accessible, to find the correct title, or publication data.)
are pointers towards what I'm envisioning.

In an ideal world, we'd have
* LibreOffice For the Biological Sciences;
* LibreOffice For Business Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Educational and Psychological Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Engineering Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Environmental Sciences and Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Health Services management Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Human Resource Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Marketing  Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Social Science  Statistics;
* LibreOffice For Data Analysis;
* LibreOffice For Project Management;
* LibreOffice For Financial Analysis;
* LibreOffice For Economic Appraisal and Forecasting;
* LibreOffice For Stock Market Analysis;
* LibreOffice For Financial Simulation Modelling;

FWIW, I simply substituted "Excel" or "Excel 2016" with LibreOffice, to
create those titles.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Text Toolbar

2020-03-17 Thread Dave Barton

Thanks Peter,

Yes that is the fix, but I would definitely classify that fix as a bug.

Regards
Dave

 Original Message 
From: Peter Schofield [mailto:psaut...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 14:14 UTC
To: Dave Barton; LibreOffice
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Text Toolbar

> Hello Dave
> 
> Vertical text toolbar only appears if Asian languages is set in Tools > 
> Options > Language Settings > Languages. This works in :LibreOffice Version 
> 6.4.1.2 Windows 7 and Version 6.4.0.3 in macOS. When you turn on Asian 
> languages, you have to restart LibreOffice for it to take effect.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Mar 2020, at 14:45, Dave Barton  wrote:
>>
>> I am currently reviewing a chapter for the Impress User Guide 6.4.
>>
>> Part of this chapter refers to the "Text Toolbar" which is not visible
>> by default. Once the toolbar is made visible it should be possible to
>> make 3 additional toolbar buttons visible:
>> * Vertical Text
>> * Fit Vertical Text to Frame
>> * Vertical Callouts
>>
>> Under LO Version: 6.4.1.2 (x64 & x86) Windows and Linux (x64) these 3
>> additional buttons cannot be made visible and the functions they provide
>> cannot be accessed via this toolbar.
>> The issue does NOT appear in:
>> LO portable 6.4.1.2 or 6.3.5.2 (x86 only)
>> Linux Mint provided Version 6.0.7.3
>>
>> I have checked Bugzilla and unless I have overlooked it this issue does
>> not appear to have been reported yet.
>>
>> Could someone here please check if this is a real issue or just a glitch
>> in the configuration of my machines?
>>
>> TIA
>> Dave
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Text Toolbar

2020-03-17 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Dave,

is "Asian" and "Complex Text Layout" enabled? That is in Tools > Options 
> Language Settings > Languages.


Kind regards
Regina

Dave Barton schrieb am 17-Mar-20 um 14:45:

I am currently reviewing a chapter for the Impress User Guide 6.4.

Part of this chapter refers to the "Text Toolbar" which is not visible
by default. Once the toolbar is made visible it should be possible to
make 3 additional toolbar buttons visible:
* Vertical Text
* Fit Vertical Text to Frame
* Vertical Callouts

Under LO Version: 6.4.1.2 (x64 & x86) Windows and Linux (x64) these 3
additional buttons cannot be made visible and the functions they provide
cannot be accessed via this toolbar.
The issue does NOT appear in:
LO portable 6.4.1.2 or 6.3.5.2 (x86 only)
Linux Mint provided Version 6.0.7.3

I have checked Bugzilla and unless I have overlooked it this issue does
not appear to have been reported yet.

Could someone here please check if this is a real issue or just a glitch
in the configuration of my machines?

TIA
Dave





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Text Toolbar

2020-03-17 Thread Peter Schofield
Hello Dave

Vertical text toolbar only appears if Asian languages is set in Tools > Options 
> Language Settings > Languages. This works in :LibreOffice Version 6.4.1.2 
Windows 7 and Version 6.4.0.3 in macOS. When you turn on Asian languages, you 
have to restart LibreOffice for it to take effect.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com



> On 17 Mar 2020, at 14:45, Dave Barton  wrote:
> 
> I am currently reviewing a chapter for the Impress User Guide 6.4.
> 
> Part of this chapter refers to the "Text Toolbar" which is not visible
> by default. Once the toolbar is made visible it should be possible to
> make 3 additional toolbar buttons visible:
> * Vertical Text
> * Fit Vertical Text to Frame
> * Vertical Callouts
> 
> Under LO Version: 6.4.1.2 (x64 & x86) Windows and Linux (x64) these 3
> additional buttons cannot be made visible and the functions they provide
> cannot be accessed via this toolbar.
> The issue does NOT appear in:
> LO portable 6.4.1.2 or 6.3.5.2 (x86 only)
> Linux Mint provided Version 6.0.7.3
> 
> I have checked Bugzilla and unless I have overlooked it this issue does
> not appear to have been reported yet.
> 
> Could someone here please check if this is a real issue or just a glitch
> in the configuration of my machines?
> 
> TIA
> Dave
> 
> 
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[libreoffice-documentation] Impress Text Toolbar

2020-03-17 Thread Dave Barton
I am currently reviewing a chapter for the Impress User Guide 6.4.

Part of this chapter refers to the "Text Toolbar" which is not visible
by default. Once the toolbar is made visible it should be possible to
make 3 additional toolbar buttons visible:
* Vertical Text
* Fit Vertical Text to Frame
* Vertical Callouts

Under LO Version: 6.4.1.2 (x64 & x86) Windows and Linux (x64) these 3
additional buttons cannot be made visible and the functions they provide
cannot be accessed via this toolbar.
The issue does NOT appear in:
LO portable 6.4.1.2 or 6.3.5.2 (x86 only)
Linux Mint provided Version 6.0.7.3

I have checked Bugzilla and unless I have overlooked it this issue does
not appear to have been reported yet.

Could someone here please check if this is a real issue or just a glitch
in the configuration of my machines?

TIA
Dave


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