[libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 6.4 Chapter 8

2020-06-28 Thread Jenna Sargent
Hi all,

I've completed the review of Chapter 8 of the Base guide on Database Tasks.
It is now in the feedback folder.

Best,
Jenna Sargent

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How to handle optional steps

2020-06-28 Thread Jean Weber
Nesting is for substeps, not steps (whether required or optional). Item 2
below is a step, not a substep.
Jean

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:12  wrote:

> Here is the section I’m working on specifically:
>
>1. From the Menu bar, choose *File > Templates > Save as Template*.
>The Save as Template dialog (Figure 2) opens, displaying the existing
>categories and a box for the name for the new template.
>2. Optionally select a category, such as *My Templates* or *Business
>Correspondence*. You can also set this template as a default template
>at this time or do it later.
>3. Click *Save*.
>
> I would like to nest the 2nd step into the first step since it’s
> optional, but I wasn’t sure if there was a specific protocol for it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dante
>
>
> *From: *Jean Weber 
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 28, 2020 7:29 PM
> *Cc: *documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> *Subject: *Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How to handle optional steps
>
> I’m not sure what you mean by optional steps. Could you give an example?
>
> Jean
>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 09:54  wrote:
>
>  > Hello,
>
> >
>
> > I was wondering how we handle optional steps in numbered lists. From the
>
> > style guide in the wiki, it seems I should nest them in the previous step
>
> > as a part of an alphabetical list.
>
> >
>
> > Thanks,
>
> >
>
> > Dante
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How to handle optional steps

2020-06-28 Thread Jean Weber
I’m not sure what you mean by optional steps. Could you give an example?
Jean

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 09:54  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was wondering how we handle optional steps in numbered lists. From the
> style guide in the wiki, it seems I should nest them in the previous step
> as a part of an alphabetical list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dante
>
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] How to handle optional steps

2020-06-28 Thread dantemlegaspi

Hello,




I was wondering how we handle optional steps in numbered lists. From the style 
guide in the wiki, it seems I should nest them in the previous step as a part 
of an alphabetical list.




Thanks,


Dante



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[libreoffice-documentation] Re[4]: Helping with the 7.0 Calc Guide

2020-06-28 Thread Steve (GMail)

Thanks Gordon. I can see the files okay.

Steve

-- Original Message --
From: "Kevin Berry" 
To: "Steve (GMail)" 
Cc: "Documentation Team" 
Sent: 28/06/2020 23:32:31
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Helping with the 7.0 Calc Guide


Okay, got it finished!
Gordon Bates
berrykevin...@gmaill.com
github.com/jdoes


On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:44 PM Steve (GMail) 
 wrote:

Thanks Gordon.

Once you have created the folders and the tracking spreadsheet, you 
shouldn't need to take any extra steps for others to access them.


Regards,

Steve


-- Original Message --
From: "Kevin Berry" 
To: "Steve (GMail)" 
Cc: "Documentation Team" 
Sent: 28/06/2020 22:24:32
Subject: Re: Helping with the 7.0 Calc Guide

I am creating the folder structure in NextCLoud. Does everybody 
automatically get access to this, or does that take extra steps?



Gordon Bates
berrykevin...@gmaill.com
github.com/jdoes


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:29 AM Steve (GMail) 
 wrote:

Hi Gordon,

I hope that you are okay.

During the coming days, I intend making some tidy-ups to the Calc 
Guide’s .ODT files, in preparation for the 7.0 update. This is 
probably a one-person job.


However, while I am doing these edits. there are a few related 
matters that somebody could address. As you have expressed an 
interest in continuing to help with the Calc Guide, maybe you would 
like to address some or all of these?
Somebody could create a 7.0 structure in the Calc Guide area of 
NextCloud. This will require the same folders as the 6.4 structure. 
It will also need a tracking spreadsheet like that used for 6.4, but 
with the various dates etc. deleted, ready to start afresh.Somebody 
could investigate the LO extension called “Code Highlighter” 
(https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/code-highlighter) 
to see whether we can use it to improve the appearance of the macro 
code segments that appear in Chapters 12 and 13 of the Calc Guide. 
This extension was discussed and recommended in a recent 
Documentation Team meeting, but I have not had time to see what 
impacts it will have on our chapters.Reading the 7.0 Release Notes, 
you may have noticed that Calc 7.0 has two new functions, RAND.NV() 
and RANDBETWEEN.NV(). Although we do not need to discuss the gory 
detail of these two in the Calc Guide (covered in Help and, 
eventually, on the Calc Functions wiki), their very existence leads 
to asking “what is a volatile function?”. Therefore, I think we need 
to draft a new (short) section to be put into Chapter 7 (Using 
Formulas and Functions) of the Calc Guide to discuss the concept of 
a volatile function in Calc. (The word “volatile” does not appear in 
the 6.4 version). Somebody could have a go at drafting such a 
section in a standalone ODT file, to be entitled “Volatile 
functions”? Sources of background information include:•
The Release Notes for 7.0 
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.0#New_spreadsheet_functions) 
and maybe the discussions that took place in progressing the 
associated bug (127831).
•ODF version 1.2 
(http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/OpenDocument-v1.2-part2.html) 
– see Section 3.5 “When recalculation occurs”.
•The source code contains a function entitled 
“IsOpCodeVolatile” which determines whether a function called by a 
user is volatile or not. From this code I have gleaned that the 
volatile Calc functions are: RAND, RANDBETWEEN, NOW, TODAY, FORMULA, 
INFO, INDIRECT, and OFFSET.
•The descriptions of the two new functions that have 
been included in the Help system at 
https://help.libreoffice.org/7.1/en-US/text/shared/05/new_help.html.


Let me know if you need any more information or help.

Regards,

Steve

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Re[2]: Helping with the 7.0 Calc Guide

2020-06-28 Thread Kevin Berry
Okay, got it finished!
Gordon Bates
berrykevin...@gmaill.com
github.com/jdoes


On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:44 PM Steve (GMail) 
wrote:

> Thanks Gordon.
>
> Once you have created the folders and the tracking spreadsheet, you
> shouldn't need to take any extra steps for others to access them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Kevin Berry" 
> To: "Steve (GMail)" 
> Cc: "Documentation Team" 
> Sent: 28/06/2020 22:24:32
> Subject: Re: Helping with the 7.0 Calc Guide
>
> I am creating the folder structure in NextCLoud. Does everybody
> automatically get access to this, or does that take extra steps?
>
>
> Gordon Bates
> berrykevin...@gmaill.com
> github.com/jdoes
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:29 AM Steve (GMail) 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gordon,
>>
>> I hope that you are okay.
>>
>> During the coming days, I intend making some tidy-ups to the Calc Guide’s
>> .ODT files, in preparation for the 7.0 update. This is probably a
>> one-person job.
>>
>> However, while I am doing these edits. there are a few related matters
>> that somebody could address. As you have expressed an interest in
>> continuing to help with the Calc Guide, maybe you would like to address
>> some or all of these?
>>
>>1. Somebody could create a 7.0 structure in the Calc Guide area of
>>NextCloud. This will require the same folders as the 6.4 structure. It 
>> will
>>also need a tracking spreadsheet like that used for 6.4, but with the
>>various dates etc. deleted, ready to start afresh.
>>2. Somebody could investigate the LO extension called “Code
>>Highlighter” (
>>https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/code-highlighter)
>>to see whether we can use it to improve the appearance of the macro code
>>segments that appear in Chapters 12 and 13 of the Calc Guide. This
>>extension was discussed and recommended in a recent Documentation Team
>>meeting, but I have not had time to see what impacts it will have on our
>>chapters.
>>3. Reading the 7.0 Release Notes, you may have noticed that Calc 7.0
>>has two new functions, RAND.NV() and RANDBETWEEN.NV(). Although we do not
>>need to discuss the gory detail of these two in the Calc Guide (covered in
>>Help and, eventually, on the Calc Functions wiki), their very existence
>>leads to asking “what is a volatile function?”. Therefore, I think we need
>>to draft a new (short) section to be put into Chapter 7 (Using Formulas 
>> and
>>Functions) of the Calc Guide to discuss the concept of a volatile function
>>in Calc. (The word “volatile” does not appear in the 6.4 version). 
>> Somebody
>>could have a go at drafting such a section in a standalone ODT file, to be
>>entitled “Volatile functions”? Sources of background information include:
>>
>> •The Release Notes for 7.0 (
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.0#New_spreadsheet_functions)
>> and maybe the discussions that took place in progressing the associated bug
>> (127831).
>> •ODF version 1.2 (
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/OpenDocument-v1.2-part2.html) –
>> see Section 3.5 “When recalculation occurs”.
>> •The source code contains a function entitled
>> “IsOpCodeVolatile” which determines whether a function called by a user is
>> volatile or not. From this code I have gleaned that the volatile Calc
>> functions are: RAND, RANDBETWEEN, NOW, TODAY, FORMULA, INFO, INDIRECT, and
>> OFFSET.
>> •The descriptions of the two new functions that have been
>> included in the Help system at
>> https://help.libreoffice.org/7.1/en-US/text/shared/05/new_help.html.
>>
>> Let me know if you need any more information or help.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re[2]: Helping with the 7.0 Calc Guide

2020-06-28 Thread Steve (GMail)

Thanks Gordon.

Once you have created the folders and the tracking spreadsheet, you 
shouldn't need to take any extra steps for others to access them.


Regards,

Steve


-- Original Message --
From: "Kevin Berry" 
To: "Steve (GMail)" 
Cc: "Documentation Team" 
Sent: 28/06/2020 22:24:32
Subject: Re: Helping with the 7.0 Calc Guide

I am creating the folder structure in NextCLoud. Does everybody 
automatically get access to this, or does that take extra steps?



Gordon Bates
berrykevin...@gmaill.com
github.com/jdoes


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:29 AM Steve (GMail) 
 wrote:

Hi Gordon,

I hope that you are okay.

During the coming days, I intend making some tidy-ups to the Calc 
Guide’s .ODT files, in preparation for the 7.0 update. This is 
probably a one-person job.


However, while I am doing these edits. there are a few related matters 
that somebody could address. As you have expressed an interest in 
continuing to help with the Calc Guide, maybe you would like to 
address some or all of these?
Somebody could create a 7.0 structure in the Calc Guide area of 
NextCloud. This will require the same folders as the 6.4 structure. It 
will also need a tracking spreadsheet like that used for 6.4, but with 
the various dates etc. deleted, ready to start afresh.Somebody could 
investigate the LO extension called “Code Highlighter” 
(https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/code-highlighter) 
to see whether we can use it to improve the appearance of the macro 
code segments that appear in Chapters 12 and 13 of the Calc Guide. 
This extension was discussed and recommended in a recent Documentation 
Team meeting, but I have not had time to see what impacts it will have 
on our chapters.Reading the 7.0 Release Notes, you may have noticed 
that Calc 7.0 has two new functions, RAND.NV() and RANDBETWEEN.NV(). 
Although we do not need to discuss the gory detail of these two in the 
Calc Guide (covered in Help and, eventually, on the Calc Functions 
wiki), their very existence leads to asking “what is a volatile 
function?”. Therefore, I think we need to draft a new (short) section 
to be put into Chapter 7 (Using Formulas and Functions) of the Calc 
Guide to discuss the concept of a volatile function in Calc. (The word 
“volatile” does not appear in the 6.4 version). Somebody could have a 
go at drafting such a section in a standalone ODT file, to be entitled 
“Volatile functions”? Sources of background information include:   
 •The Release Notes for 7.0 
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.0#New_spreadsheet_functions) 
and maybe the discussions that took place in progressing the 
associated bug (127831).
•ODF version 1.2 
(http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/OpenDocument-v1.2-part2.html) 
– see Section 3.5 “When recalculation occurs”.
•The source code contains a function entitled 
“IsOpCodeVolatile” which determines whether a function called by a 
user is volatile or not. From this code I have gleaned that the 
volatile Calc functions are: RAND, RANDBETWEEN, NOW, TODAY, FORMULA, 
INFO, INDIRECT, and OFFSET.
•The descriptions of the two new functions that have been 
included in the Help system at 
https://help.libreoffice.org/7.1/en-US/text/shared/05/new_help.html.


Let me know if you need any more information or help.

Regards,

Steve

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Helping with the 7.0 Calc Guide

2020-06-28 Thread Kevin Berry
I am creating the folder structure in NextCLoud. Does everybody
automatically get access to this, or does that take extra steps?


Gordon Bates
berrykevin...@gmaill.com
github.com/jdoes


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:29 AM Steve (GMail) 
wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
>
> I hope that you are okay.
>
> During the coming days, I intend making some tidy-ups to the Calc Guide’s
> .ODT files, in preparation for the 7.0 update. This is probably a
> one-person job.
>
> However, while I am doing these edits. there are a few related matters
> that somebody could address. As you have expressed an interest in
> continuing to help with the Calc Guide, maybe you would like to address
> some or all of these?
>
>1. Somebody could create a 7.0 structure in the Calc Guide area of
>NextCloud. This will require the same folders as the 6.4 structure. It will
>also need a tracking spreadsheet like that used for 6.4, but with the
>various dates etc. deleted, ready to start afresh.
>2. Somebody could investigate the LO extension called “Code
>Highlighter” (
>https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/code-highlighter)
>to see whether we can use it to improve the appearance of the macro code
>segments that appear in Chapters 12 and 13 of the Calc Guide. This
>extension was discussed and recommended in a recent Documentation Team
>meeting, but I have not had time to see what impacts it will have on our
>chapters.
>3. Reading the 7.0 Release Notes, you may have noticed that Calc 7.0
>has two new functions, RAND.NV() and RANDBETWEEN.NV(). Although we do not
>need to discuss the gory detail of these two in the Calc Guide (covered in
>Help and, eventually, on the Calc Functions wiki), their very existence
>leads to asking “what is a volatile function?”. Therefore, I think we need
>to draft a new (short) section to be put into Chapter 7 (Using Formulas and
>Functions) of the Calc Guide to discuss the concept of a volatile function
>in Calc. (The word “volatile” does not appear in the 6.4 version). Somebody
>could have a go at drafting such a section in a standalone ODT file, to be
>entitled “Volatile functions”? Sources of background information include:
>
> •The Release Notes for 7.0 (
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.0#New_spreadsheet_functions)
> and maybe the discussions that took place in progressing the associated bug
> (127831).
> •ODF version 1.2 (
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/OpenDocument-v1.2-part2.html) –
> see Section 3.5 “When recalculation occurs”.
> •The source code contains a function entitled
> “IsOpCodeVolatile” which determines whether a function called by a user is
> volatile or not. From this code I have gleaned that the volatile Calc
> functions are: RAND, RANDBETWEEN, NOW, TODAY, FORMULA, INFO, INDIRECT, and
> OFFSET.
> •The descriptions of the two new functions that have been
> included in the Help system at
> https://help.libreoffice.org/7.1/en-US/text/shared/05/new_help.html.
>
> Let me know if you need any more information or help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Embedding images of toolbar button icons within text paragraphs

2020-06-28 Thread Kevin Berry
I would not object.
Gordon Bates
berrykevin...@gmaill.com
github.com/jdoes


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:26 PM 驿窗  wrote:

> Agree.
>
>
> When I translateed Getting Started Guide 6.0 from English to Simplified
> Chinese in 2019, I have to find the source files of those small icons,
> which is very troublesome.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 2020-06-25 15:22:17, "Steve (GMail)" 
> wrote:
> >All,
> >
> >First, many apologies if this topic has been discussed before in this
> >mailing list. I have a suspicion that it may have been, but I could not
> >locate the thread.
> >
> >The Calc Guide contains many cases where a small image is included in a
> >text paragraph, showing the icon that appears on a toolbar button
> >mentioned in the paragraph. My view is that these images are undesirable
> >for the following reasons:
> >I assume that they are included to help the user to identify the
> >relevant icon on his screen. However, given that the user is able to
> >customize his / her copy of LO by selecting from one of many icon sets
> >(via the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View dialog), I think that in
> >many cases the images may hinder a user rather than help. We are in
> >danger of confusing and delaying him / her by showing an image of an
> >icon that is not displayed on his / her screen.Because these images are
> >inevitably taller than the normal line of text, they often cause extra
> >white space to appear within text paragraphs which I think is ugly and
> >does not improve readability.
> >I am not convinced that such images embedded in paragraphs provide the
> >reader with any useful information or context and would prefer not to
> >use them. Instead I would make sure that every reference to a toolbar
> >item names the button correctly and consistently. By correctly, I mean
> >that we use exactly the name that appears in the button’s tooltip when
> >using the English(US) version of Calc (omitting any mention of shortcut
> >key sequences).
> >
> >Would anybody object if these images were to be removed when we produce
> >the 7.0 Calc Guide?
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Steve
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[libreoffice-documentation] Importing PostScript files

2020-06-28 Thread Steve (GMail)

All,

At the start of the Calc Guide (first page of Preface chapter) is a list 
of some features that Calc provides.


One of these is the "import of spreadsheets from multiple formats, 
including .. PostScript".


I know that Draw can import EPS files as drawings but can Calc really 
import spreadsheets from EPS files?


Regards,

Steve

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