[libreoffice-documentation] Inquiry about contributing documentation

2022-05-21 Thread Diego Vargas 
 Hello,

Hope you're doing well. I'm writing to let you know that I'd like to be a
volunteer for writing documentation for LibreOffice.

For a brief background, I've studied for four years as a Communications
major and have just completed a two-year certificate in Professional and
Technical Communication. I'd like to help write documentation so that I can
expand my technical writing portfolio as well as understand more about the
process of technical writing itself.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Best,

Diego Vargas

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

2022-05-21 Thread Martin Srebotnjak 
Hello, Peter,

Regarding the Touch Bar:
- if I buy a computer with it (and spend more money), I expect it to bring
much joy to the use of my new laptop;
- if I am not satisfied with the Bar, I cannot remove it physically from
the computer, it stands there and lights up every once in a while,
reminding me how well I spent my money;
- I could use the 30-day money-back guarantee option, but that one might
not be available in my region (and requires some additional effort and
potentially even cost on my side).

Regarding the LO UI-type change:
- I haven't spent any money on the new UI, it is already present in
previous versions, maybe I even played with it before (or have it enabled)
and it is already described in all of the documentation;
- if I do not like the new interface, I can switch back to the old one (OK,
some users with basic computer knowledge might have a problem with that, so
they need to be assisted in some way by a wizard or some UI tool);
- *if I am not mistaken* - this would only change for users without a user
profile, i.e. without previous versions of LO installed - all others would
get the UI they used with the old/previous version of LO? So if they are
not used to LO and come from MSO, the notebookbar might seem a more logical
choice for starting the software for the first time.

Of course, there will be users fighting about which UI is better, but ... de
gustibus non disputandum est.

Lp, m.

V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 11:22 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> Hello Martin
>
> I understand your thoughts and do agree that things must move on. However,
> the idea of having a Notebookbar UI does worry me a little.
>
> Apple brought out a Touch Bar on some of the Macs, which was a physical
> option not software, but software was involved. Apple are now rethinking
> the Touch Bar, according to the news pundits, and it may be completely
> dropped because it was not all that successful. Using this reasoning, I
> think that a Notebookbar UI may also not be that successful.
>
> The Standard UI is great to use.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
> On 21 May 2022, at 11:14, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I do not know about the future, but the TDF board should inform the teams
> (esp. the documentation team) at least one version prior of such a change
> (if being planned for 7.5/(=8.0?), the LO teams should be informed by the
> time of the 7.4 release) - so everyone can prepare accordingly (maybe the
> Documentation team will then decide to not work on 7.4 guides but start
> rewriting the online help and the chapters of the guides for 7.5/8.0 with
> that change in mind - the default gui does not change the functionality
> itself, just its accessibility and requires many changed screenshots in
> guides, so a lot of work can be done even before 7.5a1 is available, even
> today).
>
> And another thing - there will be a lot of opposition to such a change -
> so maybe when released - there should be a guide/wizard at the first start
> of the suite to offer and explain/visualize the *two* (not 6 or 8) options
> - classic vs. notebookbar. But I can't even imagine the fuss this would
> create with help content and documentation, always mentioning the two
> possibilities when describing the access to toolbar icons/items ...
>
> Peter, I understand you - but I think it is inevitable that such a change
> would come. And many changes to documentation as well.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 09:48 je oseba Peter Schofield <
> psaut...@gmail.com> napisala:
>
>> I keep getting messages about "Bug 135501 - Change the default UI” which
>> has raised a question for me and would like some opinion on this.
>>
>> Being one of the volunteers writing the user guides, would it mean that I
>> have to completely update and change the user guides to suit a Notebookbar
>> UI ???
>>
>> I would like more information on this change to the UI so that I know
>> what is going to happen. The comments in the bug report do not really help.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Schofield
>> psaut...@gmail.com
>> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

2022-05-21 Thread Peter Schofield 
Hello Martin

I understand your thoughts and do agree that things must move on. However, the 
idea of having a Notebookbar UI does worry me a little.

Apple brought out a Touch Bar on some of the Macs, which was a physical option 
not software, but software was involved. Apple are now rethinking the Touch 
Bar, according to the news pundits, and it may be completely dropped because it 
was not all that successful. Using this reasoning, I think that a Notebookbar 
UI may also not be that successful.

The Standard UI is great to use.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com
Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team

> On 21 May 2022, at 11:14, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I do not know about the future, but the TDF board should inform the teams 
> (esp. the documentation team) at least one version prior of such a change (if 
> being planned for 7.5/(=8.0?), the LO teams should be informed by the time of 
> the 7.4 release) - so everyone can prepare accordingly (maybe the 
> Documentation team will then decide to not work on 7.4 guides but start 
> rewriting the online help and the chapters of the guides for 7.5/8.0 with 
> that change in mind - the default gui does not change the functionality 
> itself, just its accessibility and requires many changed screenshots in 
> guides, so a lot of work can be done even before 7.5a1 is available, even 
> today).
> 
> And another thing - there will be a lot of opposition to such a change - so 
> maybe when released - there should be a guide/wizard at the first start of 
> the suite to offer and explain/visualize the *two* (not 6 or 8) options - 
> classic vs. notebookbar. But I can't even imagine the fuss this would create 
> with help content and documentation, always mentioning the two possibilities 
> when describing the access to toolbar icons/items ...
> 
> Peter, I understand you - but I think it is inevitable that such a change 
> would come. And many changes to documentation as well.
> 
> Lp, m.
> 
> V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 09:48 je oseba Peter Schofield  > napisala:
> I keep getting messages about "Bug 135501 - Change the default UI” which has 
> raised a question for me and would like some opinion on this.
> 
> Being one of the volunteers writing the user guides, would it mean that I 
> have to completely update and change the user guides to suit a Notebookbar UI 
> ???
> 
> I would like more information on this change to the UI so that I know what is 
> going to happen. The comments in the bug report do not really help.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com 
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
> 
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

2022-05-21 Thread Martin Srebotnjak 
Hi,

I do not know about the future, but the TDF board should inform the teams
(esp. the documentation team) at least one version prior of such a change
(if being planned for 7.5/(=8.0?), the LO teams should be informed by the
time of the 7.4 release) - so everyone can prepare accordingly (maybe the
Documentation team will then decide to not work on 7.4 guides but start
rewriting the online help and the chapters of the guides for 7.5/8.0 with
that change in mind - the default gui does not change the functionality
itself, just its accessibility and requires many changed screenshots in
guides, so a lot of work can be done even before 7.5a1 is available, even
today).

And another thing - there will be a lot of opposition to such a change - so
maybe when released - there should be a guide/wizard at the first start of
the suite to offer and explain/visualize the *two* (not 6 or 8) options -
classic vs. notebookbar. But I can't even imagine the fuss this would
create with help content and documentation, always mentioning the two
possibilities when describing the access to toolbar icons/items ...

Peter, I understand you - but I think it is inevitable that such a change
would come. And many changes to documentation as well.

Lp, m.

V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 09:48 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> I keep getting messages about "Bug 135501 - Change the default UI” which
> has raised a question for me and would like some opinion on this.
>
> Being one of the volunteers writing the user guides, would it mean that I
> have to completely update and change the user guides to suit a Notebookbar
> UI ???
>
> I would like more information on this change to the UI so that I know what
> is going to happen. The comments in the bug report do not really help.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

2022-05-21 Thread Peter Schofield 
I keep getting messages about "Bug 135501 - Change the default UI” which has 
raised a question for me and would like some opinion on this.

Being one of the volunteers writing the user guides, would it mean that I have 
to completely update and change the user guides to suit a Notebookbar UI ???

I would like more information on this change to the UI so that I know what is 
going to happen. The comments in the bug report do not really help.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com
Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team


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