Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-05-07 Thread Lailah

Oh, so sorry!  I just answered your email.


Regards

El jue, 03-05-2012 a las 11:21 +0100, Hazel Russman escribió:

 On Wed, 02 May 2012 09:46:38 -0300
 Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
  Hazel:
  I was revisiting this old mails  (basically to put them in
  Trash)  and found a little thing that sounds strange to me:
  The Foundation holds all rights to the project and was legally
  founded on 17.02.2012
  It was founded so late as in 2012?  I thought that was last year its
  foundation.
  Sorry if this is too little and found my mail annoying, but I was
  confused.
  
  
  Regards
  Lailah
 
 Don't ask me! I'm only the translator. Klaus is the one you need to contact.
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-05-03 Thread Hazel Russman
On Wed, 02 May 2012 09:46:38 -0300
Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Hazel:
 I was revisiting this old mails  (basically to put them in
 Trash)  and found a little thing that sounds strange to me:
 The Foundation holds all rights to the project and was legally
 founded on 17.02.2012
 It was founded so late as in 2012?  I thought that was last year its
 foundation.
 Sorry if this is too little and found my mail annoying, but I was
 confused.
 
 
 Regards
 Lailah

Don't ask me! I'm only the translator. Klaus is the one you need to contact.
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-05-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Companies don't usually spring fully armed like Athena from the head of Zeus.  

Usually these things have to grow and it takes time to get officially and 
legally registered.  It helps if the company can show that it is already 
running like a company in order to show that it has a track record and knows 
how to manage itself.  

TDF founders and all the rest of you did a brilliant job.  The finances were 
being held by one or 2 community groups that were legal entities and did have 
secured and accountable bank accounts and a good long track record of 
appropriate financial reporting and structured so that it was independent of 
OOo/LO.  Mostly it was the German Community organisation.  Funds are likely to 
be transferred to proper TDF-owned bank accounts very soon.  

So, everything was safe and all in the plan as they say.  Often these things 
drag on for years and one excuse after another, such as operational 
efficiency prevent the formation so TDF may have set a record for soemthing of 
this size.
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 3 May, 2012, 11:21

On Wed, 02 May 2012 09:46:38 -0300
Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Hazel:
             I was revisiting this old mails  (basically to put them in
 Trash)  and found a little thing that sounds strange to me:
     The Foundation holds all rights to the project and was legally
 founded on 17.02.2012
 It was founded so late as in 2012?  I thought that was last year its
 foundation.
 Sorry if this is too little and found my mail annoying, but I was
 confused.
 
 
 Regards
 Lailah

Don't ask me! I'm only the translator. Klaus is the one you need to contact.
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-05-02 Thread Jean Weber
Please see this blog post, which explains the significance of that date:
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/02/20/the-document-foundation-officially-incorporated-in-berlin-germany/

Founded may not be the best word here; we should probably change it to 
incorporated.

Jean

On 02/05/2012, at 22:46, Lailah lailah...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Hazel:
I was revisiting this old mails  (basically to put them in
 Trash)  and found a little thing that sounds strange to me:
The Foundation holds all rights to the project and was legally
 founded on 17.02.2012
 It was founded so late as in 2012?  I thought that was last year its
 foundation.
 Sorry if this is too little and found my mail annoying, but I was
 confused.
 
 
 Regards
 Lailah
 
 
 El lun, 09-04-2012 a las 13:52 +0100, Hazel Russman escribió:
 
 On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:40:29 +0200
 klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote:
 
 Hi Hazel,
 Thanks for that.
 I changed it in the wiki (and wait for the other paragraphs ;-)).
 
 -- 
 Grüße
 k-j
 
 
 OpenOffice.org
 In May 2002, the first official version was released: OpenOffice.org 1.0 was 
 born. The final version of the 1.x series appeared as 1.1.5 in September 
 2005.
 
 OpenOffice.org 2.x 
 In October 2005, OpenOffice.org 2.0 was released. The user interface was 
 updated and Base was added. ODF was the new standard format for all modules. 
 The 2.x code branch was long maintained, with OpenOffice.org 2.4.3  being 
 published in September 2009. 
 
 OpenOffice.org 3.x 
 OpenOffice.org 3.0 released in October 2008, was again greatly extended. The 
 adaptation to the various user interfaces provided by the supported 
 operating systems and MacOS has been improved, with a native version now 
 supported as well. The latest version of this development is the 
 OpenOffice.org 3.3.0, released in January 2011. 
 
 Autonomy and rights 
 The supreme governing body of the project was the Community Council, elected 
 by the members, which however had virtually no influence on the main 
 processes of development at Sun. The release of the code as open source was 
 planned  with all rights to the name, etc. to be transferred to a  
 foundation still to be established. As a basis for this, some developers at 
 Sun Microsystems founded as a precursor the association OpenOffice.org 
 team which received donations for the project in order to support various 
 marketing campaigns. By 2009, this body managed the rights to the name 
 OpenOffice.org. To improve the policing of infringements, the trademark in 
 2009 transferred to Sun Microsystems. 
 
 Sun/Oracle 
 Throughout this time, Sun Microsystems had taken a large role in the 
 development of the code, supported primarily by the community, but also by 
 other software companies such as Novell and IBM. In 2009, Oracle made a 
 takeover bid for its rival Sun, which was economically depressed, and after 
 approval by the antitrust authorities, this acquisition was completed in 
 January 2010. The development department of OpenOffice.org in Hamburg was 
 included only on the condition that it was profitable in itself. 
 
 Transfer of the code to Apache 
 In April 2011, Oracle announced the recruitment of professional support for 
 OpenOffice.org and announced the conversion to a community-based project. In 
 early June 2011 the source code and all trademark rights was given to the 
 Apache Foundation. OpenOffice.org continues to be developed significantly 
 there, with IBM as a major contributor. 
 
 The Document Foundation / LibreOffice
 In September 2010, some of the developers, in particular volunteers from the 
 community, announced the establishment of The Document Foundation to allow 
 the program to continue independently of Oracle with the product name 
 LibreOffice. 
 
 LibreOffice 
 LibreOffice 3.3.0 was presented as a beta in September 2010 and published on 
 January 25, 2011. Unlike the approach in OpenOffice.org LibreOffice is 
 developed in strict accordance with a time-based release plan. Several code 
 branches are maintained in parallel and supplied with corrections. 
 
 The Document Foundation 
 The Foundation holds all rights to the project and was legally founded on 
 17.02.2012 [1]. The necessary foundation capital (a minimum amount of Euro 
 50,000) was raised by a campaign in February 2011 and collected within eight 
 days. The members of the Foundation chose a board of directors in accordance 
 with the Bylaws , which controls the fate of the Foundation. Further 
 information is contained in the Geschaeftsordnung (Bylaws).-- 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-11 Thread David Nelson
Hi Hazel,

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Hazel Russman
hazeldeb...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I'm trying to do a proper English version of this. I can't do it on the wiki 
 because it won't let me register. Their capchas are so fiendishly distorted 
 that I can't read them at all.

Please do mail me off-list if you need me to create an account for you
on the wiki - I've got admin powers there.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-10 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi Hazel,

Am 09.04.2012 13:53, schrieb Hazel Russman:

I'm trying to do a proper English version of this. I can't do it on the wiki because it 
won't let me register. Their capchas are so fiendishly distorted that I can't 
read them at all.


It seems that you managed it:

2012-04-09T18:02:39 Hazel (Talk | contribs) New user account ‎



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-10 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Ahh, we cheated!  I set-up the account and then mailed her the info.  I've 
never been able to do that before and it's very cheeky of me but i wanted to 
see if they did have a speaker icon for the wiki.  They don't :(
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 10 April, 2012, 8:51

Hi Hazel,

Am 09.04.2012 13:53, schrieb Hazel Russman:
 I'm trying to do a proper English version of this. I can't do it on the wiki 
 because it won't let me register. Their capchas are so fiendishly distorted 
 that I can't read them at all.

It seems that you managed it:

2012-04-09T18:02:39 Hazel (Talk | contribs) New user account ‎



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-09 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The English version apparently wasn't written by a native English speaker.  
Obviously Star Office was bought BY Sun not from Sun.  Most people probably 
wouldn't notice little slips like that as the meaning was very clear due to the 
context.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Mon, 9/4/12, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote:

From: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] History
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org, webs...@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 9 April, 2012, 12:30

Hi all,
I need your help.
Volker has made a page in German to show the history of LibreOffice [1]. I took 
this and let Google translate it [2] because my English won't be that good to 
give it the right note.
Can the English speaking have a look at this page with right wording and 
grammar? We can put the content to our website as a subpage of [3] and in our 
documentation, dvd etc. if you want to do so.

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/History/de
[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/History
[3] https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-09 Thread Hazel Russman
I'm trying to do a proper English version of this. I can't do it on the wiki 
because it won't let me register. Their capchas are so fiendishly distorted 
that I can't read them at all.

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:39:37 +0100 (BST)
Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 The English version apparently wasn't written by a native English speaker.  
 Obviously Star Office was bought BY Sun not from Sun.  Most people probably 
 wouldn't notice little slips like that as the meaning was very clear due to 
 the context.  
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Mon, 9/4/12, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote:
 
 From: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de
 Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] History
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org, webs...@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Monday, 9 April, 2012, 12:30
 
 Hi all,
 I need your help.
 Volker has made a page in German to show the history of LibreOffice [1]. I 
 took this and let Google translate it [2] because my English won't be that 
 good to give it the right note.
 Can the English speaking have a look at this page with right wording and 
 grammar? We can put the content to our website as a subpage of [3] and in our 
 documentation, dvd etc. if you want to do so.
 
 [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/History/de
 [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/History
 [3] https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/
 
 -- Grüße
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-09 Thread Hazel Russman
Here is the first paragraph:
In the mid-80s, the German student Marco Boerries, then 16 years old, was 
living as an exchange student in Silicon Valley. He was so enthusiastic about 
the tech scene that he began to develop office software (later known as 
StarOffice (TM)). In 1986 he founded the Star Division company with 
headquarters in Hamburg. It was bought in 1999 for $73.5 million by Sun 
Microsystems. Star Office (TM) 5.1a was the first version of the software to be 
published by Sun. The current version 9 Star Office (TM) appeared in November 
2008. The OpenOffice.org project was founded 13.10.200 by Sun to develop this 
leading international office suite, which runs on all major platforms and 
provides access to functions and data through transparent interfaces and an 
XML-based file format. It is based on of the source code for StarOffice (TM) 
5.2 as well as technology that Sun has developed for future versions of 
StarOffice TM. The source code is written in C++ and provides language-neutral 
and scripting functionality, including Java-based APIs. These allow you to use 
the suite either as separate applications or embedded into other applications.

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:39:37 +0100 (BST)
Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 The English version apparently wasn't written by a native English speaker.  
 Obviously Star Office was bought BY Sun not from Sun.  Most people probably 
 wouldn't notice little slips like that as the meaning was very clear due to 
 the context.  
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Mon, 9/4/12, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote:
 
 From: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de
 Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] History
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org, webs...@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Monday, 9 April, 2012, 12:30
 
 Hi all,
 I need your help.
 Volker has made a page in German to show the history of LibreOffice [1]. I 
 took this and let Google translate it [2] because my English won't be that 
 good to give it the right note.
 Can the English speaking have a look at this page with right wording and 
 grammar? We can put the content to our website as a subpage of [3] and in our 
 documentation, dvd etc. if you want to do so.
 
 [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/History/de
 [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/History
 [3] https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/
 
 -- Grüße
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-09 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi Tom,
Am 09.04.2012 13:39, schrieb Tom Davies:

Hi :)
The English version apparently wasn't written by a native English speaker.  Obviously 
Star Office was bought BY Sun not from Sun.  Most people probably wouldn't 
notice little slips like that as the meaning was very clear due to the context.


Google translate will never be a native English speaker ;-) but a crutch 
for all non-native speaker who had learned this language for years and 
years in school and never will be able to translate/talk/write it in the 
right way (like me).


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-09 Thread Hazel Russman
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:40:29 +0200
klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote:

 Hi Hazel,
 Thanks for that.
 I changed it in the wiki (and wait for the other paragraphs ;-)).
 
 -- 
 Grüße
 k-j
 
 
OpenOffice.org
In May 2002, the first official version was released: OpenOffice.org 1.0 was 
born. The final version of the 1.x series appeared as 1.1.5 in September 2005.

OpenOffice.org 2.x 
In October 2005, OpenOffice.org 2.0 was released. The user interface was 
updated and Base was added. ODF was the new standard format for all modules. 
The 2.x code branch was long maintained, with OpenOffice.org 2.4.3  being 
published in September 2009. 

OpenOffice.org 3.x 
OpenOffice.org 3.0 released in October 2008, was again greatly extended. The 
adaptation to the various user interfaces provided by the supported operating 
systems and MacOS has been improved, with a native version now supported as 
well. The latest version of this development is the OpenOffice.org 3.3.0, 
released in January 2011. 

Autonomy and rights 
The supreme governing body of the project was the Community Council, elected by 
the members, which however had virtually no influence on the main processes of 
development at Sun. The release of the code as open source was planned  with 
all rights to the name, etc. to be transferred to a  foundation still to be 
established. As a basis for this, some developers at Sun Microsystems founded 
as a precursor the association OpenOffice.org team which received donations 
for the project in order to support various marketing campaigns. By 2009, this 
body managed the rights to the name OpenOffice.org. To improve the policing 
of infringements, the trademark in 2009 transferred to Sun Microsystems. 

Sun/Oracle 
Throughout this time, Sun Microsystems had taken a large role in the 
development of the code, supported primarily by the community, but also by 
other software companies such as Novell and IBM. In 2009, Oracle made a 
takeover bid for its rival Sun, which was economically depressed, and after 
approval by the antitrust authorities, this acquisition was completed in 
January 2010. The development department of OpenOffice.org in Hamburg was 
included only on the condition that it was profitable in itself. 

Transfer of the code to Apache 
In April 2011, Oracle announced the recruitment of professional support for 
OpenOffice.org and announced the conversion to a community-based project. In 
early June 2011 the source code and all trademark rights was given to the 
Apache Foundation. OpenOffice.org continues to be developed significantly 
there, with IBM as a major contributor. 

The Document Foundation / LibreOffice
 In September 2010, some of the developers, in particular volunteers from the 
community, announced the establishment of The Document Foundation to allow 
the program to continue independently of Oracle with the product name 
LibreOffice. 

LibreOffice 
LibreOffice 3.3.0 was presented as a beta in September 2010 and published on 
January 25, 2011. Unlike the approach in OpenOffice.org LibreOffice is 
developed in strict accordance with a time-based release plan. Several code 
branches are maintained in parallel and supplied with corrections. 

The Document Foundation 
The Foundation holds all rights to the project and was legally founded on 
17.02.2012 [1]. The necessary foundation capital (a minimum amount of Euro 
50,000) was raised by a campaign in February 2011 and collected within eight 
days. The members of the Foundation chose a board of directors in accordance 
with the Bylaws , which controls the fate of the Foundation. Further 
information is contained in the Geschaeftsordnung (Bylaws).-- 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-09 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Ahhh, i misunderstood.  I thought you were translating from an existing English 
document.  It wasn't 100% perfect but it was pretty impressive.  The meaning 
was clear throughout.  
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 9 April, 2012, 13:38

Hi Tom,
Am 09.04.2012 13:39, schrieb Tom Davies:
 Hi :)
 The English version apparently wasn't written by a native English speaker.  
 Obviously Star Office was bought BY Sun not from Sun.  Most people probably 
 wouldn't notice little slips like that as the meaning was very clear due to 
 the context.

Google translate will never be a native English speaker ;-) but a crutch for 
all non-native speaker who had learned this language for years and years in 
school and never will be able to translate/talk/write it in the right way (like 
me).

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k-j

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RE: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
There is apparently a missing digit in the year the OpenOffice.org project was 
started.  It says 13.10.200 ?

(Also, it is helpful to use International (ISO) dates of the form .mm.dd or 
-mm-dd since it is an international project [;).

 - Dennis

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From: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol [mailto:o...@sophia-louise.de] 
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 05:40
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

Hi Hazel,
Am 09.04.2012 14:23, schrieb Hazel Russman:
 Here is the first paragraph:
 [ ... ] The OpenOffice.org project was founded 13.10.200 by Sun to develop 
 this leading international office suite, [ ... ]

Thanks for that.
I changed it in the wiki (and wait for the other paragraphs ;-)).

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] History

2012-04-09 Thread ol klaus-jürgen weghorn

Hi Dennis,
Am 09.04.2012 18:31, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:

There is apparently a missing digit in the year the OpenOffice.org project was 
started.  It says 13.10.200 ?


Changed in 2000


(Also, it is helpful to use International (ISO) dates of the form .mm.dd or 
-mm-dd since it is an international project [;).


Done so for this date and the date of foundation of TDF.

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