Re[4]: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0

[Steve (GMail)]

Hi Samantha,

Many thanks for your thorough and helpful comments.

Not much to report in terms of matters arising, other than to point out 
that I've included a note in the "Deleting a template" section. This 
clarifies that moving or deleting a template does not adversely affect a 
document that uses that template. The document will retain the styles 
that it originally inherited from that template. One slight quirk that 
I've mentioned is that the File > Properties > General page can indicate 
the name of a template that no longer exists.


The updated document is in the Draft folder, with all changes accepted, 
awaiting second review.


Regards,

Steve


-- Original Message --
From: "Samantha Hamilton" 
To: "LibreOffice Documentation" 
Cc: "Steve (GMail)" 
Sent: 06/08/2020 13:48:30
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0


Hello Team,

I've uploaded Chapter 4 to the Feedback folder (noted changes on the 
Status spreadsheet). Steve, I think many of your changes are cohesive 
and really enhanced the document's readability/directionality.


Cheers,
Sam.

  Samantha Hamilton
  darling docs

  <https://darlingdocs.wordpress.com/> 
<https://github.com/samanthahamilton> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/shamilton-64b4b71b0/>



On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:37 AM Felipe Viggiano 
 wrote:

Hello Steve,

Thank you very much for the feedback!

Regarding the bugs, I did a few actions to try to resolve it without
success, as I didn't want to delay the review even more, I decided to 
put
the warning in the comments. For now, I'm gonna look a little deeper 
in
those issues, and confirming that it's not some configuration issue I 
will

definitely report a bug.

About the text in the Data labels dialog, I can see now how it is 
important
to alert the user. In this case, may I suggest inserting the text that 
you

wrote? It would be something like:
"If you selected a data series, Calc displays data labels for that 
data
series using default settings (and it will remain displayed even if 
you

press Cancel on the dialog)..."

As for the commas, that was something I didn't know about. I will keep 
that

in mind in the next Calcs reviews, thanks for the heads up!

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano

Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 04:56, Steve (GMail) <
stevemfanning...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Hi Felipe,
>
> Very many thanks for the useful comments on Chapter 3 – your help is
> much appreciated. It’s an over-sized chapter and you have obviously
> reviewed it thoroughly.
>
> I have processed your comments, accepting most, but modifying a few 
and

> rejecting a few. I have hopefully covered everything you raised, but
> with the document containing two sets of tracked changes, it’s 
sometimes

> hard to be sure!
>
> The file is now in the Draft folder awaiting second review. If you 
have
> time, feel free to look through the document and make sure that you 
are
> happy with my editorial decisions; please email if anything is amiss 
or
> not understood (probably better than making further edits yourself 
at

> this stage).
>
> A few notes on matters arising:
> Apart from the addition of your name to the list of contributors, I 
have
> ignored proposed formatting changes to the front matter pages, 
before
> the “Introduction” section. These pages will be overhauled when the 
7.0

> template is finalised and any changes now are nugatory.
> In the section entitled “Selecting non-adjacent data”, the step
> described in the second bullet point worked fine on my Windows 
system.
> If it doesn’t work on your OS, maybe you could consider raising a 
bug

> report in Bugzilla?
> Please could you look again at the change proposed to the first 
bullet
> under step 3 in the section entitled “Adding and formatting data 
labels

> for a data series”. The text as originally written describes the
> behaviour on my Windows system. In particular, I don’t want to lose 
the

> explanation that “...Calc displays data labels for that data series
> using default settings…” when a data series is selected (these data
> labels with default settings remain displayed even if you press 
Cancel

> on the Data Labels dialog).
> Step 3 in the section entitled “Removing all data labels” works for 
me.
> If it doesn’t work on your OS, maybe you could consider raising a 
bug

> report in Bugzilla?
> With regards to your inability to test the 3D View aspects because 
of

> crashes, have you considered raising a bug report in Bugzilla?
> With respect to Figure 51 (“Drawing toolbar when chart is placed in 
edit
> mode”). I suspect that the order of icons was changed at some point 
but
> no icons have been added or removed and so I think we can safely 
leave
> this figure as it is. (There is an overall caveat in the Preface to 
the
&g

Re: Re[2]: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0

[Samantha Hamilton]

o say that we tend to use this extra comma throughout the Calc Guide
> > (not my decision) and I don’t have any enthusiasm for re-working that
> > decision at this stage. I have therefore rejected those particular
> > changes.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Felipe Viggiano" 
> > To: "Documentation Team" 
> > Sent: 05/08/2020 14:03:06
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0
> >
> > >Hello everyone,
> > >
> > >Just uploaded a first review on the CG7003-ChartsAndGraphs in the
> Feedback
> > >folder. Uploaded also a .zip file with some images to support a few
> > >comments, please feel free do delete it after downloading.
> > >
> > >Checked out the CG7005 - UsingGraphics for a first review, expected
> > >return by friday (07Ago2020).
> > >
> > >The Calc Status Guide spreadsheet has been updated.
> > >
> > >Best regards,
> > >Felipe Viggiano
> > >
> > >Em ter., 4 de ago. de 2020 às 12:27, Samantha Hamilton <
> > >samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> escreveu:
> > >
> > >>  Hi Steve, and docs team,
> > >>
> > >>  I have taken the Calc Guide v7.0, Chapter 4 for first review. I
> expect
> > to
> > >>  have it in the feedback folder by Friday at the latest.
> > >>
> > >>  Best,
> > >>  Sam.
> > >>
> > >>Samantha Hamilton
> > >>darling docs
> > >>
> > >><https://darlingdocs.wordpress.com/> <
> > >>https://github.com/samanthahamilton>
> > >>  <https://www.linkedin.com/in/shamilton-64b4b71b0/>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 4:26 PM Steve (GMail) <
> > stevemfanning...@gmail.com>
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  >
> > >>  > I have finished updating Chapter 4, Using Styles and Templates, and
> > >>  > placed the file in the Draft folder ready for first review.
> > >>  >
> > >>  > As with earlier chapters, please do not waste time reviewing the
> > front
> > >>  > matter or the template used for this chapter (other than adding
> your
> > >>  > name to the list of contributors of course!)
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Regards,
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Steve
> > >>  >
> > >>  > -- Original Message --
> > >>  > From: "Steve (GMail)" 
> > >>  > To: "Documentation Team" 
> > >>  > Sent: 23/07/2020 20:28:44
> > >>  > Subject: Calc Guide v7.0
> > >>  >
> > >>  > >Hi All,
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > >I have started a detailed read through the chapters of the 6.4
> Calc
> > >>  > >Guide to identify the changes needed for 7.0.
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > >The first two chapters (0 - Preface and 1 - Introduction) have
> been
> > >>  > >updated and placed in the appropriate Draft folder within
> NextCloud.
> > >>  > >Please could somebody find time to perform a first review of these
> > >>  > >chapters?
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > >Echoing Peter Schofield's comments in relation to the Impress
> Guide,
> > >>  > >please do not waste time reviewing the front matter or the
> template
> > >>  > >used for these chapters (other than adding your name to the list
> of
> > >>  > >contributors of course!). I will sort out these aspect prior to
> > >>  > >publication, once the 7.0 template is finalised.
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > >Regards and thanks,
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > >Steve Fanning
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > --
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Re: Re[2]: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0

[Felipe Viggiano]

Hello Steve,

Thank you very much for the feedback!

Regarding the bugs, I did a few actions to try to resolve it without
success, as I didn't want to delay the review even more, I decided to put
the warning in the comments. For now, I'm gonna look a little deeper in
those issues, and confirming that it's not some configuration issue I will
definitely report a bug.

About the text in the Data labels dialog, I can see now how it is important
to alert the user. In this case, may I suggest inserting the text that you
wrote? It would be something like:
"If you selected a data series, Calc displays data labels for that data
series using default settings (and it will remain displayed even if you
press Cancel on the dialog)..."

As for the commas, that was something I didn't know about. I will keep that
in mind in the next Calcs reviews, thanks for the heads up!

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano

Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 04:56, Steve (GMail) <
stevemfanning...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Hi Felipe,
>
> Very many thanks for the useful comments on Chapter 3 – your help is
> much appreciated. It’s an over-sized chapter and you have obviously
> reviewed it thoroughly.
>
> I have processed your comments, accepting most, but modifying a few and
> rejecting a few. I have hopefully covered everything you raised, but
> with the document containing two sets of tracked changes, it’s sometimes
> hard to be sure!
>
> The file is now in the Draft folder awaiting second review. If you have
> time, feel free to look through the document and make sure that you are
> happy with my editorial decisions; please email if anything is amiss or
> not understood (probably better than making further edits yourself at
> this stage).
>
> A few notes on matters arising:
> Apart from the addition of your name to the list of contributors, I have
> ignored proposed formatting changes to the front matter pages, before
> the “Introduction” section. These pages will be overhauled when the 7.0
> template is finalised and any changes now are nugatory.
> In the section entitled “Selecting non-adjacent data”, the step
> described in the second bullet point worked fine on my Windows system.
> If it doesn’t work on your OS, maybe you could consider raising a bug
> report in Bugzilla?
> Please could you look again at the change proposed to the first bullet
> under step 3 in the section entitled “Adding and formatting data labels
> for a data series”. The text as originally written describes the
> behaviour on my Windows system. In particular, I don’t want to lose the
> explanation that “...Calc displays data labels for that data series
> using default settings…” when a data series is selected (these data
> labels with default settings remain displayed even if you press Cancel
> on the Data Labels dialog).
> Step 3 in the section entitled “Removing all data labels” works for me.
> If it doesn’t work on your OS, maybe you could consider raising a bug
> report in Bugzilla?
> With regards to your inability to test the 3D View aspects because of
> crashes, have you considered raising a bug report in Bugzilla?
> With respect to Figure 51 (“Drawing toolbar when chart is placed in edit
> mode”). I suspect that the order of icons was changed at some point but
> no icons have been added or removed and so I think we can safely leave
> this figure as it is. (There is an overall caveat in the Preface to the
> Calc Guide to the effect that not every illustration will match exactly
> what each individual reader sees on his Calc screens).
> I note that you have commented in some places on the use of a comma
> before that last item in a list of “things”, and proposed deleting said
> comma. For those with a fascination with the English language (and
> plenty of time on their hands), this is known as a serial comma, or a
> series comma, or an Oxford comma, or a Harvard comma. You can read more
> at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma and linked pages. Suffice
> to say that we tend to use this extra comma throughout the Calc Guide
> (not my decision) and I don’t have any enthusiasm for re-working that
> decision at this stage. I have therefore rejected those particular
> changes.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Steve
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Felipe Viggiano" 
> To: "Documentation Team" 
> Sent: 05/08/2020 14:03:06
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0
>
> >Hello everyone,
> >
> >Just uploaded a first review on the CG7003-ChartsAndGraphs in the Feedback
> >folder. Uploaded also a .zip file with some images to support a few
> >comments, please feel free do delete it after downloading.
> >
> >Checked out the CG7005 - UsingGraphics for a first review, expe

Re[2]: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0

[Steve (GMail)]

Hi Felipe,

Very many thanks for the useful comments on Chapter 3 – your help is 
much appreciated. It’s an over-sized chapter and you have obviously 
reviewed it thoroughly.


I have processed your comments, accepting most, but modifying a few and 
rejecting a few. I have hopefully covered everything you raised, but 
with the document containing two sets of tracked changes, it’s sometimes 
hard to be sure!


The file is now in the Draft folder awaiting second review. If you have 
time, feel free to look through the document and make sure that you are 
happy with my editorial decisions; please email if anything is amiss or 
not understood (probably better than making further edits yourself at 
this stage).


A few notes on matters arising:
Apart from the addition of your name to the list of contributors, I have 
ignored proposed formatting changes to the front matter pages, before 
the “Introduction” section. These pages will be overhauled when the 7.0 
template is finalised and any changes now are nugatory.
In the section entitled “Selecting non-adjacent data”, the step 
described in the second bullet point worked fine on my Windows system. 
If it doesn’t work on your OS, maybe you could consider raising a bug 
report in Bugzilla?
Please could you look again at the change proposed to the first bullet 
under step 3 in the section entitled “Adding and formatting data labels 
for a data series”. The text as originally written describes the 
behaviour on my Windows system. In particular, I don’t want to lose the 
explanation that “...Calc displays data labels for that data series 
using default settings…” when a data series is selected (these data 
labels with default settings remain displayed even if you press Cancel 
on the Data Labels dialog).
Step 3 in the section entitled “Removing all data labels” works for me. 
If it doesn’t work on your OS, maybe you could consider raising a bug 
report in Bugzilla?
With regards to your inability to test the 3D View aspects because of 
crashes, have you considered raising a bug report in Bugzilla?
With respect to Figure 51 (“Drawing toolbar when chart is placed in edit 
mode”). I suspect that the order of icons was changed at some point but 
no icons have been added or removed and so I think we can safely leave 
this figure as it is. (There is an overall caveat in the Preface to the 
Calc Guide to the effect that not every illustration will match exactly 
what each individual reader sees on his Calc screens).
I note that you have commented in some places on the use of a comma 
before that last item in a list of “things”, and proposed deleting said 
comma. For those with a fascination with the English language (and 
plenty of time on their hands), this is known as a serial comma, or a 
series comma, or an Oxford comma, or a Harvard comma. You can read more 
at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma and linked pages. Suffice 
to say that we tend to use this extra comma throughout the Calc Guide 
(not my decision) and I don’t have any enthusiasm for re-working that 
decision at this stage. I have therefore rejected those particular 
changes.


Thanks again,

Steve


-- Original Message --
From: "Felipe Viggiano" 
To: "Documentation Team" 
Sent: 05/08/2020 14:03:06
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0


Hello everyone,

Just uploaded a first review on the CG7003-ChartsAndGraphs in the Feedback
folder. Uploaded also a .zip file with some images to support a few
comments, please feel free do delete it after downloading.

Checked out the CG7005 - UsingGraphics for a first review, expected
return by friday (07Ago2020).

The Calc Status Guide spreadsheet has been updated.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano

Em ter., 4 de ago. de 2020 às 12:27, Samantha Hamilton <
samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> escreveu:


 Hi Steve, and docs team,

 I have taken the Calc Guide v7.0, Chapter 4 for first review. I expect to
 have it in the feedback folder by Friday at the latest.

 Best,
 Sam.

   Samantha Hamilton
   darling docs

   <https://darlingdocs.wordpress.com/> <
https://github.com/samanthahamilton>
 <https://www.linkedin.com/in/shamilton-64b4b71b0/>


 On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 4:26 PM Steve (GMail) 
 wrote:

 >
 > I have finished updating Chapter 4, Using Styles and Templates, and
 > placed the file in the Draft folder ready for first review.
 >
 > As with earlier chapters, please do not waste time reviewing the front
 > matter or the template used for this chapter (other than adding your
 > name to the list of contributors of course!)
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Steve
 >
 > -- Original Message --
 > From: "Steve (GMail)" 
 > To: "Documentation Team" 
 > Sent: 23/07/2020 20:28:44
 > Subject: Calc Guide v7.0
 >
 > >Hi All,
 > >
 > >I have started a detailed read through the chapters of the 6.4 Calc
 > >Gui

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0

[Felipe Viggiano]

Hello everyone,

Just uploaded a first review on the CG7003-ChartsAndGraphs in the Feedback
folder. Uploaded also a .zip file with some images to support a few
comments, please feel free do delete it after downloading.

Checked out the CG7005 - UsingGraphics for a first review, expected
return by friday (07Ago2020).

The Calc Status Guide spreadsheet has been updated.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano

Em ter., 4 de ago. de 2020 às 12:27, Samantha Hamilton <
samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Hi Steve, and docs team,
>
> I have taken the Calc Guide v7.0, Chapter 4 for first review. I expect to
> have it in the feedback folder by Friday at the latest.
>
> Best,
> Sam.
>
>   Samantha Hamilton
>   darling docs
>
>    <
> https://github.com/samanthahamilton>
> 
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 4:26 PM Steve (GMail) 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have finished updating Chapter 4, Using Styles and Templates, and
> > placed the file in the Draft folder ready for first review.
> >
> > As with earlier chapters, please do not waste time reviewing the front
> > matter or the template used for this chapter (other than adding your
> > name to the list of contributors of course!)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Steve (GMail)" 
> > To: "Documentation Team" 
> > Sent: 23/07/2020 20:28:44
> > Subject: Calc Guide v7.0
> >
> > >Hi All,
> > >
> > >I have started a detailed read through the chapters of the 6.4 Calc
> > >Guide to identify the changes needed for 7.0.
> > >
> > >The first two chapters (0 - Preface and 1 - Introduction) have been
> > >updated and placed in the appropriate Draft folder within NextCloud.
> > >Please could somebody find time to perform a first review of these
> > >chapters?
> > >
> > >Echoing Peter Schofield's comments in relation to the Impress Guide,
> > >please do not waste time reviewing the front matter or the template
> > >used for these chapters (other than adding your name to the list of
> > >contributors of course!). I will sort out these aspect prior to
> > >publication, once the 7.0 template is finalised.
> > >
> > >Regards and thanks,
> > >
> > >Steve Fanning
> > >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0

[Samantha Hamilton]

Hi Steve, and docs team,

I have taken the Calc Guide v7.0, Chapter 4 for first review. I expect to
have it in the feedback folder by Friday at the latest.

Best,
Sam.

  Samantha Hamilton
  darling docs

   



On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 4:26 PM Steve (GMail) 
wrote:

>
> I have finished updating Chapter 4, Using Styles and Templates, and
> placed the file in the Draft folder ready for first review.
>
> As with earlier chapters, please do not waste time reviewing the front
> matter or the template used for this chapter (other than adding your
> name to the list of contributors of course!)
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve (GMail)" 
> To: "Documentation Team" 
> Sent: 23/07/2020 20:28:44
> Subject: Calc Guide v7.0
>
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I have started a detailed read through the chapters of the 6.4 Calc
> >Guide to identify the changes needed for 7.0.
> >
> >The first two chapters (0 - Preface and 1 - Introduction) have been
> >updated and placed in the appropriate Draft folder within NextCloud.
> >Please could somebody find time to perform a first review of these
> >chapters?
> >
> >Echoing Peter Schofield's comments in relation to the Impress Guide,
> >please do not waste time reviewing the front matter or the template
> >used for these chapters (other than adding your name to the list of
> >contributors of course!). I will sort out these aspect prior to
> >publication, once the 7.0 template is finalised.
> >
> >Regards and thanks,
> >
> >Steve Fanning
> >
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0

[Steve (GMail)]

I have finished updating Chapter 4, Using Styles and Templates, and 
placed the file in the Draft folder ready for first review.


As with earlier chapters, please do not waste time reviewing the front 
matter or the template used for this chapter (other than adding your 
name to the list of contributors of course!)


Regards,

Steve

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve (GMail)" 
To: "Documentation Team" 
Sent: 23/07/2020 20:28:44
Subject: Calc Guide v7.0


Hi All,

I have started a detailed read through the chapters of the 6.4 Calc 
Guide to identify the changes needed for 7.0.


The first two chapters (0 - Preface and 1 - Introduction) have been 
updated and placed in the appropriate Draft folder within NextCloud. 
Please could somebody find time to perform a first review of these 
chapters?


Echoing Peter Schofield's comments in relation to the Impress Guide, 
please do not waste time reviewing the front matter or the template 
used for these chapters (other than adding your name to the list of 
contributors of course!). I will sort out these aspect prior to 
publication, once the 7.0 template is finalised.


Regards and thanks,

Steve Fanning


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Guide v7.0

[Steve (GMail)]

I have finished updating Chapter 3, Charts and Graphs, and placed the 
file in the Draft folder ready for first review.


As with earlier chapters, please do not waste time reviewing the front 
matter or the template used for these chapters (other than adding your 
name to the list of contributors of course!)


Regards,

Steve

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve (GMail)" 
To: "Documentation Team" 
Sent: 23/07/2020 20:28:44
Subject: Calc Guide v7.0


Hi All,

I have started a detailed read through the chapters of the 6.4 Calc 
Guide to identify the changes needed for 7.0.


The first two chapters (0 - Preface and 1 - Introduction) have been 
updated and placed in the appropriate Draft folder within NextCloud. 
Please could somebody find time to perform a first review of these 
chapters?


Echoing Peter Schofield's comments in relation to the Impress Guide, 
please do not waste time reviewing the front matter or the template 
used for these chapters (other than adding your name to the list of 
contributors of course!). I will sort out these aspect prior to 
publication, once the 7.0 template is finalised.


Regards and thanks,

Steve Fanning


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