Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki
This is an addition to the remarks of Jean, here concerning Python. Hi team, I was poking around the Docs section of the wiki looking up info and following links, and I discovered there’s still a lot of out-of-date info on pages linked to up-to-date pages. No wonder newcomers often get confused. I don’t know how much energy I have for tracking down and fixing problems, and I know that others have been doing the same, but there is so much of it. Jean 1) from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros > programmers guide > useful functions> you land on https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Guide/Useful_functions it contains some code, also the msgbox function. This page does not have a link to the next landing 2) from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros > programmers guide > working with documents > you land on https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Guide/Documents much more code snippets, in the middle with a remark referencing the previous page 3) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Guide/Documents#Open same contents as previous page, don't know how i landed there 4) In the menu bar of mentioned pages, there are entries for writer - calc and so on, clicking on these will bring you to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/writer showing how to manipulate libreoffice objects in various languages side by side. Objects different from all the previous pages 5) an entry in the same menu bar is labelled as Basic/Python which brings you to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Basic_Primitives loads of basic code (interesting for https://gitlab.com/LibreOfficiant/scriptforge/-/tree/scriptforge-7-1/Help)?, no python (intention failed?). Anyhow, the menu title suggests otherwise I have the feeling that information, for python, is scattered over the website. In general I should say a webpage starts with a wide focus, and upon navigating the focus is narrowed by descriptive links. Of course you can navigate trough different ways to end on the same page. But now there are concurrent ways that never meet and lead to different pages with different content ? who does the webpage content and navigation, most of the mails here seem to be dealing with the information in nextcloud. peter heijink -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki
Comments inline below. On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 18:58 Rob Westein wrote: > Hi All, > > Indeed, it is confusing... > How to apply the latest template to an Revised Chapter? Should I use the > the Extension "Template Changer" or create a new document with the > latest chapter template and copy all info from old document to the new one? The Template Changer extension updates the style definitions, but it does not apply the changes the title page and copyright page. Therefore I recommend starting a new doc from the template and copying in the old doc. But please do the info on the title & copyright pages manually - don’t just copy those pages completely. Several things have changed, some of which may not be immediately obvious. On the Wiki or in the Contributor ODT files this info could not be found. > > One other thing that bothers me is the inconsequence usage of > screenshots... today I can see in one chapter that screenshots are > produced by several users using several different OS. > > Is it possible that when the development or revision of a book starts it > is decided which OS is used to produce the screenshots? It gives a more > professional and consistent look. That usually slows down the updating of a book like Getting Started a lot, because chapters are updated by different people and someone would need to go through all the chapters to make the figures consistent from one o/s, and then they all need to be reviewed. IMO it’s a very good nice-to-have, but often not practical. > > /Rob > > > On 31-12-2020 01:13, Jean Weber wrote: > > Hi team, > > I was poking around the Docs section of the wiki looking up info and > > following links, and I discovered there’s still a lot of out-of-date info > > on pages linked to up-to-date pages. No wonder newcomers often get > > confused. I don’t know how much energy I have for tracking down and > fixing > > problems, and I know that others have been doing the same, but there is > so > > much of it. > > > > Jean > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki [Correction]
Original sentence: "While the extension still works perfectly for me, others have reported that they have issues, possibly related to their choice," Should have read: "While the extension still works perfectly for me, others have reported that they have issues, possibly related to their choice _of_ _operating_ _system_," Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki
Hi Rob, I mentioned to you previously that the contributor guide documentation is in a state of flux and what you currently read there should not be taken as absolute fact. At the docs team meeting on Oct 31st 2018 it was agreed that in future screen captures for the guides would be taken from Windows 10. In fact I offered to make the screen captures for any contributor who either didn't have Windows 10, or wasn't able to make them. Unfortunately, this was never adhered to and we continue to have an inconsistent variety of captures. Maybe this would be the time to reach team consensus on this issue and document it in the contributors guide. For an number of different reasons the "Template Changer" extension has pretty much been abandoned/ignored. Mainly because it is no longer being developed/supported. While the extension still works perfectly for me, others have reported that they have issues, possibly related to their choice, There are 2 methods for applying a template to an existing document: 1. See "Associating a document with a different template" page 224 of the 6.4 Writer Guide. 2. See "Creating and modifying styles" page 182 of the 6.4 Writer Guide. The second option allows you to choose between a template stored in your local templates, or from a file in a different location. If you don't already have a copy of the 6.4 Writer Guide, download from: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/a/a4/WG64-WriterGuide.pdf Regards Dave On 31/12/2020 08:56, Rob Westein wrote: > Hi All, > > Indeed, it is confusing... > How to apply the latest template to an Revised Chapter? Should I use the > the Extension "Template Changer" or create a new document with the > latest chapter template and copy all info from old document to the new one? > > On the Wiki or in the Contributor ODT files this info could not be found. > > One other thing that bothers me is the inconsequence usage of > screenshots... today I can see in one chapter that screenshots are > produced by several users using several different OS. > > Is it possible that when the development or revision of a book starts it > is decided which OS is used to produce the screenshots? It gives a more > professional and consistent look. > > /Rob > > > On 31-12-2020 01:13, Jean Weber wrote: >> Hi team, >> I was poking around the Docs section of the wiki looking up info and >> following links, and I discovered there’s still a lot of out-of-date info >> on pages linked to up-to-date pages. No wonder newcomers often get >> confused. I don’t know how much energy I have for tracking down and >> fixing >> problems, and I know that others have been doing the same, but there >> is so >> much of it. >> >> Jean >> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki
Hi Rob, I am in the middle of preparing a detailed answer to your original post and I will post shortly. Regards Dave On 31/12/2020 09:29, Rob Westein wrote: > Hi Peter, > > I've found the extention in the "Contributor Resources > Other > Resources" Folder on NextCloud. So I assumed this was used to apply the > new chapter template. > > /Rob > > On 31-12-2020 10:12, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Rob >> >> I find that creating a new document from the template is accurate >> using copy and paste as it gives good control on what happens. >> I have not used the extension Template Change and did not know that >> there was one. However, I will run a test to see which is better. >> >> Regards >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com >> >> >> >>> On 31 Dec 2020, at 09:56, Rob Westein wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Indeed, it is confusing... >>> How to apply the latest template to an Revised Chapter? Should I use >>> the the Extension "Template Changer" or create a new document with >>> the latest chapter template and copy all info from old document to >>> the new one? >>> >>> On the Wiki or in the Contributor ODT files this info could not be >>> found. >>> >>> One other thing that bothers me is the inconsequence usage of >>> screenshots... today I can see in one chapter that screenshots are >>> produced by several users using several different OS. >>> >>> Is it possible that when the development or revision of a book starts >>> it is decided which OS is used to produce the screenshots? It gives a >>> more professional and consistent look. >>> >>> /Rob >>> >>> >>> On 31-12-2020 01:13, Jean Weber wrote: Hi team, I was poking around the Docs section of the wiki looking up info and following links, and I discovered there’s still a lot of out-of-date info on pages linked to up-to-date pages. No wonder newcomers often get confused. I don’t know how much energy I have for tracking down and fixing problems, and I know that others have been doing the same, but there is so much of it. Jean >>> -- >>> Ik gebruik LibreOffice - het gratis, vrije en open source kantoor >>> pakket: https://www.libreoffice.org >>> Respecteert uw privacy en geeft u de controle over uw gegevens terug >>> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>> documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: >>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki
Hello Rob The Template Changer extension appears to be working OK in Windows and Ubuntu. However in macOS 11 Big Sur, the extension does not install in LO and definitely does not work. So for macOS, it is copy and paste. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com > On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:29, Rob Westein wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > I've found the extention in the "Contributor Resources > Other Resources" > Folder on NextCloud. So I assumed this was used to apply the new chapter > template. > > /Rob > > On 31-12-2020 10:12, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Rob >> >> I find that creating a new document from the template is accurate using copy >> and paste as it gives good control on what happens. >> I have not used the extension Template Change and did not know that there >> was one. However, I will run a test to see which is better. >> >> Regards >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com >> >> >> >>> On 31 Dec 2020, at 09:56, Rob Westein wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Indeed, it is confusing... >>> How to apply the latest template to an Revised Chapter? Should I use the >>> the Extension "Template Changer" or create a new document with the latest >>> chapter template and copy all info from old document to the new one? >>> >>> On the Wiki or in the Contributor ODT files this info could not be found. >>> >>> One other thing that bothers me is the inconsequence usage of >>> screenshots... today I can see in one chapter that screenshots are produced >>> by several users using several different OS. >>> >>> Is it possible that when the development or revision of a book starts it is >>> decided which OS is used to produce the screenshots? It gives a more >>> professional and consistent look. >>> >>> /Rob >>> >>> >>> On 31-12-2020 01:13, Jean Weber wrote: Hi team, I was poking around the Docs section of the wiki looking up info and following links, and I discovered there’s still a lot of out-of-date info on pages linked to up-to-date pages. No wonder newcomers often get confused. I don’t know how much energy I have for tracking down and fixing problems, and I know that others have been doing the same, but there is so much of it. Jean >>> -- >>> Ik gebruik LibreOffice - het gratis, vrije en open source kantoor pakket: >>> https://www.libreoffice.org >>> Respecteert uw privacy en geeft u de controle over uw gegevens terug >>> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > -- > Ik gebruik LibreOffice - het gratis, vrije en open source kantoor pakket: > https://www.libreoffice.org > Respecteert uw privacy en geeft u de controle over uw gegevens terug > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki
Hi Peter, I've found the extention in the "Contributor Resources > Other Resources" Folder on NextCloud. So I assumed this was used to apply the new chapter template. /Rob On 31-12-2020 10:12, Peter Schofield wrote: Hello Rob I find that creating a new document from the template is accurate using copy and paste as it gives good control on what happens. I have not used the extension Template Change and did not know that there was one. However, I will run a test to see which is better. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 31 Dec 2020, at 09:56, Rob Westein wrote: Hi All, Indeed, it is confusing... How to apply the latest template to an Revised Chapter? Should I use the the Extension "Template Changer" or create a new document with the latest chapter template and copy all info from old document to the new one? On the Wiki or in the Contributor ODT files this info could not be found. One other thing that bothers me is the inconsequence usage of screenshots... today I can see in one chapter that screenshots are produced by several users using several different OS. Is it possible that when the development or revision of a book starts it is decided which OS is used to produce the screenshots? It gives a more professional and consistent look. /Rob On 31-12-2020 01:13, Jean Weber wrote: Hi team, I was poking around the Docs section of the wiki looking up info and following links, and I discovered there’s still a lot of out-of-date info on pages linked to up-to-date pages. No wonder newcomers often get confused. I don’t know how much energy I have for tracking down and fixing problems, and I know that others have been doing the same, but there is so much of it. Jean -- Ik gebruik LibreOffice - het gratis, vrije en open source kantoor pakket: https://www.libreoffice.org Respecteert uw privacy en geeft u de controle over uw gegevens terug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- Ik gebruik LibreOffice - het gratis, vrije en open source kantoor pakket: https://www.libreoffice.org Respecteert uw privacy en geeft u de controle over uw gegevens terug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki
Hello Rob I find that creating a new document from the template is accurate using copy and paste as it gives good control on what happens. I have not used the extension Template Change and did not know that there was one. However, I will run a test to see which is better. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com > On 31 Dec 2020, at 09:56, Rob Westein wrote: > > Hi All, > > Indeed, it is confusing... > How to apply the latest template to an Revised Chapter? Should I use the the > Extension "Template Changer" or create a new document with the latest chapter > template and copy all info from old document to the new one? > > On the Wiki or in the Contributor ODT files this info could not be found. > > One other thing that bothers me is the inconsequence usage of screenshots... > today I can see in one chapter that screenshots are produced by several users > using several different OS. > > Is it possible that when the development or revision of a book starts it is > decided which OS is used to produce the screenshots? It gives a more > professional and consistent look. > > /Rob > > > On 31-12-2020 01:13, Jean Weber wrote: >> Hi team, >> I was poking around the Docs section of the wiki looking up info and >> following links, and I discovered there’s still a lot of out-of-date info >> on pages linked to up-to-date pages. No wonder newcomers often get >> confused. I don’t know how much energy I have for tracking down and fixing >> problems, and I know that others have been doing the same, but there is so >> much of it. >> >> Jean >> > -- > Ik gebruik LibreOffice - het gratis, vrije en open source kantoor pakket: > https://www.libreoffice.org > Respecteert uw privacy en geeft u de controle over uw gegevens terug > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Docs wiki
Hi All, Indeed, it is confusing... How to apply the latest template to an Revised Chapter? Should I use the the Extension "Template Changer" or create a new document with the latest chapter template and copy all info from old document to the new one? On the Wiki or in the Contributor ODT files this info could not be found. One other thing that bothers me is the inconsequence usage of screenshots... today I can see in one chapter that screenshots are produced by several users using several different OS. Is it possible that when the development or revision of a book starts it is decided which OS is used to produce the screenshots? It gives a more professional and consistent look. /Rob On 31-12-2020 01:13, Jean Weber wrote: Hi team, I was poking around the Docs section of the wiki looking up info and following links, and I discovered there’s still a lot of out-of-date info on pages linked to up-to-date pages. No wonder newcomers often get confused. I don’t know how much energy I have for tracking down and fixing problems, and I know that others have been doing the same, but there is so much of it. Jean -- Ik gebruik LibreOffice - het gratis, vrije en open source kantoor pakket: https://www.libreoffice.org Respecteert uw privacy en geeft u de controle over uw gegevens terug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
