Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Handbuch v4.2?
Hi :) +1 I think the Firebird internal back-end will improve but since it's not there already there's no point documenting it yet. I think it would be good to make the point that Base works better when using an external back-end, even if the processes for doing that are not detailed in any way in the handbook. Even just mentioning that clearly in the handbook would be good imo Regards from Tom :) On 10 April 2014 14:23, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 08/04/2014 14:10, Robert Großkopf a écrit : Hi all, Same with Firebird. External firebird has only the problem: Autovalue isn't implemented, must be written in SQL for every table. Internal Firebird has too many problems yet. We hope it would be better, because there are functions in the external Firebird many people would need, for example the function List. FWIW, I agree with Robert. Firebird is an experimental option at present in 4.2. In other words, the user doesn't even get to see that there is the possibility to create an embedded firebird db unless they turn on the experimental options in LO's preferences. Assuming that someone foolhardy enough will do that, and then complain that it doesn't work as intended (which Robert, I, and others all know about as we filed/validated the bug reports), I still don't think it is worth concentrating our documentation efforts (including translation) on an embedded db engine which still has too many failings to be of any daily, practical, use. The aim of the tool is to be a replacement for embedded hsqldb and for the moment, this is simply not the case. Connecting to an external firebird db has worked for a while now anyway, certainly before 4.2 (at least with the jdbc or odbc driver, but again this is not part of the novelties included in 4.2. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Handbuch v4.2?
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Robert Großkopf rob...@familiegrosskopf.de wrote: Am 08.04.2014 01:44, schrieb Jean Weber: Robert, I see chapters of Base Handbuch v4.2, dated February 2014, here: http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/lo_hb/ Are these published or still in development? I want to encourage people to translate them into English, or at least the parts that are new since v3.5. There are 4 different Base Handbuch finished. They are published here: http://de.libreoffice.org/hilfe-kontakt/handbuecher/ Version 4.2 had been finished with the release of V4.2 . If somebody is looking for the new database Firebird there is not much included in this version, because the internal Firebird database isn't a good alternative for the HSQLDB at this moment. There is one separate paper added for the difference between HSQLDB and Firebird. Robert, you provided a spreadsheet with the changes (mostly added sections) in the book from v3.5 to v4.1. Do you also have a list of changes to v4.2? --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Handbuch v4.2?
Hi :) The internal HsqlDb appears to have lost data for quite a few people in just normal database usage. Is Firebird also likely to lose data for people? Base only appears robust when using an external back-end. Have bug-reports been filed against the Firebird back-end? Does the handbook help people understand that an external back-end is really needed? Note that it's not the fault of HsqlDb itself as using the proper version straight from their website as a back-end apparently works very well. It's only the heavily tweaked version inside Base that creates problems. Regards from Tom :) On 8 April 2014 08:07, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Robert Großkopf rob...@familiegrosskopf.de wrote: Am 08.04.2014 01:44, schrieb Jean Weber: Robert, I see chapters of Base Handbuch v4.2, dated February 2014, here: http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/lo_hb/ Are these published or still in development? I want to encourage people to translate them into English, or at least the parts that are new since v3.5. There are 4 different Base Handbuch finished. They are published here: http://de.libreoffice.org/hilfe-kontakt/handbuecher/ Version 4.2 had been finished with the release of V4.2 . If somebody is looking for the new database Firebird there is not much included in this version, because the internal Firebird database isn't a good alternative for the HSQLDB at this moment. There is one separate paper added for the difference between HSQLDB and Firebird. Robert, you provided a spreadsheet with the changes (mostly added sections) in the book from v3.5 to v4.1. Do you also have a list of changes to v4.2? --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Handbuch v4.2?
Hi :) Errr, it is great to see documentation that helps people through and that seems to have greatly helped loads of people on the Users Mailing List. Congrats to all for translating and modifying it. It is MUCH appreciated. It also seems to have helped attract more attention to it and enabled the LO devs to have made some good moves forwards. I'm sure Firebird will work better in future versions. It takes a lot of courage to work on something so complicated and broken so thanks all of you who did dare to get involved and congras for helping move things forwards as a result! :)) Regards from Tom :) On 8 April 2014 11:15, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) The internal HsqlDb appears to have lost data for quite a few people in just normal database usage. Is Firebird also likely to lose data for people? Base only appears robust when using an external back-end. Have bug-reports been filed against the Firebird back-end? Does the handbook help people understand that an external back-end is really needed? Note that it's not the fault of HsqlDb itself as using the proper version straight from their website as a back-end apparently works very well. It's only the heavily tweaked version inside Base that creates problems. Regards from Tom :) On 8 April 2014 08:07, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Robert Großkopf rob...@familiegrosskopf.de wrote: Am 08.04.2014 01:44, schrieb Jean Weber: Robert, I see chapters of Base Handbuch v4.2, dated February 2014, here: http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/lo_hb/ Are these published or still in development? I want to encourage people to translate them into English, or at least the parts that are new since v3.5. There are 4 different Base Handbuch finished. They are published here: http://de.libreoffice.org/hilfe-kontakt/handbuecher/ Version 4.2 had been finished with the release of V4.2 . If somebody is looking for the new database Firebird there is not much included in this version, because the internal Firebird database isn't a good alternative for the HSQLDB at this moment. There is one separate paper added for the difference between HSQLDB and Firebird. Robert, you provided a spreadsheet with the changes (mostly added sections) in the book from v3.5 to v4.1. Do you also have a list of changes to v4.2? --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Handbuch v4.2?
Hi *, first let me write down: you mustn't set me in CC. I'm reading this list. The internal HsqlDb appears to have lost data for quite a few people in just normal database usage. Is Firebird also likely to lose data for people? Base only appears robust when using an external back-end. Have bug-reports been filed against the Firebird back-end? Does the handbook help people understand that an external back-end is really needed? Problem is the backup of data from the internal HSQLDB. Best you could do is to backupd the data every time you open the HSQLDB. I have added such a macro in the Handbuch. Note that it's not the fault of HsqlDb itself as using the proper version straight from their website as a back-end apparently works very well. It's only the heavily tweaked version inside Base that creates problems. Same with Firebird. External firebird has only the problem: Autovalue isn't implemented, must be written in SQL for every table. Internal Firebird has too many problems yet. We hope it would be better, because there are functions in the external Firebird many people would need, for example the function List. Regards Robert -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
