Re: [DOG mailing list] Damage to #3660
Kurt, there is another H36 in Ephrata Washington belonging to a friend. I maintained it for him for many years. We installed a new Limbach. I kept the core for a spare. Michael On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 3:44 PM Rob Thompson wrote: > Stemme owners have told me that they are > 1- difficult when travelling because airport taxiways are not wide > enough can't get around signs and markers etc. > 2- expensive and plenty of down time maintaining the prop and drive shaft > system. > 3- that the older ones with L2400 engines have heating/cooling issues. > 4- they have complicated systems (like fuel) with lots of ADs. > > Here is an interesting discussion on Stemme here > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.aviation.soaring/c/w93C7EXcVaE?pli=1 > > regards > Rob > > Rob Thompson > 0429 493 828 > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 6:12 AM Michael Stockhill wrote: > >> Friends who sold their Stemme suggested that maintaining it was similar >> to a helicopter, with many time- limited components and labor intensive >> needs. >> >> I had a Beech Duke once, which was fortunately cheaper to maintain than >> what they described. I got lucky on that oneif you know the Duke's >> reputation. >> >> Michael >> >> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 12:43 PM Kristin Nowell >> wrote: >> >>> Stemmes seem overly complex to me - probably high maintenance - but >>> perhaps that is merely sour grapes. I met Karen Stemme at a soaring >>> convention - nice lady - just when they were morphing to tricycle gear. >>> The dimona h36 is rugged, reliable and forgiving - and it has a very >>> excellent knowledge network! I'll keep mine >>> Please send photos of your damage - I have blueprints of the wing, if >>> you need them. >>> Cheers >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 2:29 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >>> wrote: >>> Tom, I appreciate that sentiment. However I saw a new Stemme at Reno for $500k. Hmmm... Just sayin' Best Kurt p.s. I've often wondered how many H-36's are in the U.S. I know only of mine and Michael Stockhills up in Montana. On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 11:03 AM Tom Preisser wrote: > Kurt, I wouldn't sell my dimona h36 for all the gold in Fort Knox > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 4:50 AM Rob Thompson > wrote: > >> The attached images will show you what's involved with a wing skin >> repair. They are from the underside of a Dimona wing. The images are >> numbered 1-2-3-4 so view them in that order. >> >> I haven't done a Dimona trailing edge but normally the foam sandwich >> just tapers to where the inner and out skins bond together. >> >> In Australia, if the repair scheme is detailed in the Maintenance >> Manual, you can just go ahead and do it. This one is is detailed quite >> well >> and easy to follow in the H36 book >> >> If it is not in the manual we need to get approval from >> Diamond.Arghhh! Ian Williams knows all about this. >> >> regards >> Rob >> >> Rob Thompson >> 0429 493 828 >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 5:13 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Michael. >>> The good news is that I am an apprentice Airframe Mechanic and my >>> mentor is a senior instructor at Abaris here in Reno. Corrie consults >>> with >>> all facets of the composite industry including Boeing, Airbus and most >>> of >>> the others. He is considered an expert in composite repair and being an >>> A & >>> P, IA there will be no concerns for the repairs needed. Corrie and I >>> have >>> done many field repairs to gliders, just not mine! >>> As I am sure you know it is snowing up here in Reno, so enjoy your >>> time in southern Nevada. >>> Best >>> Kurt >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 6:24 PM Michael Stockhill >>> wrote: >>> Sad, Kurt, I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture when it comes to doing repairs. If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact (hah) on the value. I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else has a thought. Michael Stockhill On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh wrote: > Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative > response to my posts. > My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my > tie down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires > installed > Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... > Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent > saying...I can't make
Re: [DOG mailing list] Damage to #3660
Stemme owners have told me that they are 1- difficult when travelling because airport taxiways are not wide enough can't get around signs and markers etc. 2- expensive and plenty of down time maintaining the prop and drive shaft system. 3- that the older ones with L2400 engines have heating/cooling issues. 4- they have complicated systems (like fuel) with lots of ADs. Here is an interesting discussion on Stemme here https://groups.google.com/g/rec.aviation.soaring/c/w93C7EXcVaE?pli=1 regards Rob Rob Thompson 0429 493 828 On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 6:12 AM Michael Stockhill wrote: > Friends who sold their Stemme suggested that maintaining it was similar to > a helicopter, with many time- limited components and labor intensive needs. > > I had a Beech Duke once, which was fortunately cheaper to maintain than > what they described. I got lucky on that oneif you know the Duke's > reputation. > > Michael > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 12:43 PM Kristin Nowell > wrote: > >> Stemmes seem overly complex to me - probably high maintenance - but >> perhaps that is merely sour grapes. I met Karen Stemme at a soaring >> convention - nice lady - just when they were morphing to tricycle gear. >> The dimona h36 is rugged, reliable and forgiving - and it has a very >> excellent knowledge network! I'll keep mine >> Please send photos of your damage - I have blueprints of the wing, if you >> need them. >> Cheers >> >> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 2:29 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >> wrote: >> >>> Tom, I appreciate that sentiment. However I saw a new Stemme at Reno for >>> $500k. Hmmm... >>> Just sayin' >>> Best >>> Kurt >>> p.s. I've often wondered how many H-36's are in the U.S. I know only of >>> mine and Michael Stockhills up in Montana. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 11:03 AM Tom Preisser wrote: >>> Kurt, I wouldn't sell my dimona h36 for all the gold in Fort Knox On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 4:50 AM Rob Thompson wrote: > The attached images will show you what's involved with a wing skin > repair. They are from the underside of a Dimona wing. The images are > numbered 1-2-3-4 so view them in that order. > > I haven't done a Dimona trailing edge but normally the foam sandwich > just tapers to where the inner and out skins bond together. > > In Australia, if the repair scheme is detailed in the Maintenance > Manual, you can just go ahead and do it. This one is is detailed quite > well > and easy to follow in the H36 book > > If it is not in the manual we need to get approval from > Diamond.Arghhh! Ian Williams knows all about this. > > regards > Rob > > Rob Thompson > 0429 493 828 > > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 5:13 PM Kurt Redinbaugh > wrote: > >> Thank you Michael. >> The good news is that I am an apprentice Airframe Mechanic and my >> mentor is a senior instructor at Abaris here in Reno. Corrie consults >> with >> all facets of the composite industry including Boeing, Airbus and most of >> the others. He is considered an expert in composite repair and being an >> A & >> P, IA there will be no concerns for the repairs needed. Corrie and I have >> done many field repairs to gliders, just not mine! >> As I am sure you know it is snowing up here in Reno, so enjoy your >> time in southern Nevada. >> Best >> Kurt >> >> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 6:24 PM Michael Stockhill >> wrote: >> >>> Sad, Kurt, >>> >>> I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture >>> when it comes to doing repairs. >>> >>> If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with >>> good craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any >>> impact (hah) on the value. >>> >>> I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k >>> ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else >>> has a thought. >>> >>> Michael Stockhill >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >>> wrote: >>> Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response to my posts. My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About
Re: [DOG mailing list] Damage to #3660
Friends who sold their Stemme suggested that maintaining it was similar to a helicopter, with many time- limited components and labor intensive needs. I had a Beech Duke once, which was fortunately cheaper to maintain than what they described. I got lucky on that oneif you know the Duke's reputation. Michael On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 12:43 PM Kristin Nowell wrote: > Stemmes seem overly complex to me - probably high maintenance - but > perhaps that is merely sour grapes. I met Karen Stemme at a soaring > convention - nice lady - just when they were morphing to tricycle gear. > The dimona h36 is rugged, reliable and forgiving - and it has a very > excellent knowledge network! I'll keep mine > Please send photos of your damage - I have blueprints of the wing, if you > need them. > Cheers > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 2:29 PM Kurt Redinbaugh > wrote: > >> Tom, I appreciate that sentiment. However I saw a new Stemme at Reno for >> $500k. Hmmm... >> Just sayin' >> Best >> Kurt >> p.s. I've often wondered how many H-36's are in the U.S. I know only of >> mine and Michael Stockhills up in Montana. >> >> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 11:03 AM Tom Preisser wrote: >> >>> Kurt, I wouldn't sell my dimona h36 for all the gold in Fort Knox >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 4:50 AM Rob Thompson >>> wrote: >>> The attached images will show you what's involved with a wing skin repair. They are from the underside of a Dimona wing. The images are numbered 1-2-3-4 so view them in that order. I haven't done a Dimona trailing edge but normally the foam sandwich just tapers to where the inner and out skins bond together. In Australia, if the repair scheme is detailed in the Maintenance Manual, you can just go ahead and do it. This one is is detailed quite well and easy to follow in the H36 book If it is not in the manual we need to get approval from Diamond.Arghhh! Ian Williams knows all about this. regards Rob Rob Thompson 0429 493 828 On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 5:13 PM Kurt Redinbaugh wrote: > Thank you Michael. > The good news is that I am an apprentice Airframe Mechanic and my > mentor is a senior instructor at Abaris here in Reno. Corrie consults with > all facets of the composite industry including Boeing, Airbus and most of > the others. He is considered an expert in composite repair and being an A > & > P, IA there will be no concerns for the repairs needed. Corrie and I have > done many field repairs to gliders, just not mine! > As I am sure you know it is snowing up here in Reno, so enjoy your > time in southern Nevada. > Best > Kurt > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 6:24 PM Michael Stockhill > wrote: > >> Sad, Kurt, >> >> I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture >> when it comes to doing repairs. >> >> If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good >> craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact >> (hah) on the value. >> >> I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k >> ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else >> has a thought. >> >> Michael Stockhill >> >> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >> wrote: >> >>> Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative >>> response to my posts. >>> My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my >>> tie down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires >>> installed >>> Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... >>> Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent >>> saying...I can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 >>> owned by their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie >>> down and was walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see >>> his >>> C-180 resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the >>> parking brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! >>> About >>> 100 yards,,, >>> Son Of A Bitch! >>> My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole >>> punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip >>> and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing. >>> Son Of A Bitch! >>> I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor >>> (labour?) and am still down hard for a while. >>> Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with >>> U.S. credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the >>> damage >>> history it now has? >>> Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment. >>> Many Thanks and >>> Best Regards, >>>
Re: [DOG mailing list] Damage to #3660
Stemmes seem overly complex to me - probably high maintenance - but perhaps that is merely sour grapes. I met Karen Stemme at a soaring convention - nice lady - just when they were morphing to tricycle gear. The dimona h36 is rugged, reliable and forgiving - and it has a very excellent knowledge network! I'll keep mine Please send photos of your damage - I have blueprints of the wing, if you need them. Cheers On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 2:29 PM Kurt Redinbaugh wrote: > Tom, I appreciate that sentiment. However I saw a new Stemme at Reno for > $500k. Hmmm... > Just sayin' > Best > Kurt > p.s. I've often wondered how many H-36's are in the U.S. I know only of > mine and Michael Stockhills up in Montana. > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 11:03 AM Tom Preisser wrote: > >> Kurt, I wouldn't sell my dimona h36 for all the gold in Fort Knox >> >> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 4:50 AM Rob Thompson >> wrote: >> >>> The attached images will show you what's involved with a wing skin >>> repair. They are from the underside of a Dimona wing. The images are >>> numbered 1-2-3-4 so view them in that order. >>> >>> I haven't done a Dimona trailing edge but normally the foam sandwich >>> just tapers to where the inner and out skins bond together. >>> >>> In Australia, if the repair scheme is detailed in the Maintenance >>> Manual, you can just go ahead and do it. This one is is detailed quite well >>> and easy to follow in the H36 book >>> >>> If it is not in the manual we need to get approval from >>> Diamond.Arghhh! Ian Williams knows all about this. >>> >>> regards >>> Rob >>> >>> Rob Thompson >>> 0429 493 828 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 5:13 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >>> wrote: >>> Thank you Michael. The good news is that I am an apprentice Airframe Mechanic and my mentor is a senior instructor at Abaris here in Reno. Corrie consults with all facets of the composite industry including Boeing, Airbus and most of the others. He is considered an expert in composite repair and being an A & P, IA there will be no concerns for the repairs needed. Corrie and I have done many field repairs to gliders, just not mine! As I am sure you know it is snowing up here in Reno, so enjoy your time in southern Nevada. Best Kurt On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 6:24 PM Michael Stockhill wrote: > Sad, Kurt, > > I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture > when it comes to doing repairs. > > If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good > craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact > (hah) on the value. > > I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k > ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else > has a thought. > > Michael Stockhill > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh > wrote: > >> Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative >> response to my posts. >> My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my >> tie down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed >> Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... >> Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent >> saying...I can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 >> owned by their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie >> down and was walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see >> his >> C-180 resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the >> parking brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! >> About >> 100 yards,,, >> Son Of A Bitch! >> My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole >> punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip >> and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing. >> Son Of A Bitch! >> I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor >> (labour?) and am still down hard for a while. >> Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with >> U.S. credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the >> damage >> history it now has? >> Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment. >> Many Thanks and >> Best Regards, >> Kurt >> Dimona N16EB S/N 3660 >> > >>> - >>> You are subscribed to the Dimona Owners Group mailing list. >>> This list is archived in public. http://waikeriegliding.com/dog/ >>> To unsubscribe, send email to: dog-unsubscr...@lists.riverland.net.au >> >>
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A H36 is for sale here in New Zealand. Has only 1500hrs TTSN. Around 400hrs left on the engine ADSB out etc. is in great condition and very origional. For $65K NZ so your estimate is on the same page Sent from my iPadOn 8 Apr 2024, at 07:19, Ian Williams wrote:Yep Tom, I agree. Still fantastic little ships after all the yearsSent from my iPadOn 8 Apr 2024, at 06:03, Tom Preisser wrote:Kurt, I wouldn't sell my dimona h36 for all the gold in Fort Knox On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 4:50 AM Rob Thompsonwrote:The attached images will show you what's involved with a wing skin repair. They are from the underside of a Dimona wing. The images are numbered 1-2-3-4 so view them in that order.I haven't done a Dimona trailing edge but normally the foam sandwich just tapers to where the inner and out skins bond together.In Australia, if the repair scheme is detailed in the Maintenance Manual, you can just go ahead and do it. This one is is detailed quite well and easy to follow in the H36 book If it is not in the manual we need to get approval from Diamond.Arghhh! Ian Williams knows all about this.regardsRobRob Thompson0429 493 828On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 5:13 PM Kurt Redinbaugh wrote:Thank you Michael. The good news is that I am an apprentice Airframe Mechanic and my mentor is a senior instructor at Abaris here in Reno. Corrie consults with all facets of the composite industry including Boeing, Airbus and most of the others. He is considered an expert in composite repair and being an A & P, IA there will be no concerns for the repairs needed. Corrie and I have done many field repairs to gliders, just not mine!As I am sure you know it is snowing up here in Reno, so enjoy your time in southern Nevada.BestKurtOn Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 6:24 PM Michael Stockhill wrote:Sad, Kurt,I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture when it comes to doing repairs.If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact (hah) on the value. I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else has a thought.Michael StockhillOn Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh wrote:Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response to my posts.My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday...Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About 100 yards,,,Son Of A Bitch!My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing.Son Of A Bitch! I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor (labour?) and am still down hard for a while.Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with U.S. credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the damage history it now has? Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment.Many Thanks and Best Regards, KurtDimona N16EB S/N 3660 - You are subscribed to the Dimona Owners Group mailing list. This list is archived in public. http://waikeriegliding.com/dog/ To unsubscribe, send email to: dog-unsubscr...@lists.riverland.net.au
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Yep Tom, I agree. Still fantastic little ships after all the yearsSent from my iPadOn 8 Apr 2024, at 06:03, Tom Preisser wrote:Kurt, I wouldn't sell my dimona h36 for all the gold in Fort Knox On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 4:50 AM Rob Thompsonwrote:The attached images will show you what's involved with a wing skin repair. They are from the underside of a Dimona wing. The images are numbered 1-2-3-4 so view them in that order.I haven't done a Dimona trailing edge but normally the foam sandwich just tapers to where the inner and out skins bond together.In Australia, if the repair scheme is detailed in the Maintenance Manual, you can just go ahead and do it. This one is is detailed quite well and easy to follow in the H36 book If it is not in the manual we need to get approval from Diamond.Arghhh! Ian Williams knows all about this.regardsRobRob Thompson0429 493 828On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 5:13 PM Kurt Redinbaugh wrote:Thank you Michael. The good news is that I am an apprentice Airframe Mechanic and my mentor is a senior instructor at Abaris here in Reno. Corrie consults with all facets of the composite industry including Boeing, Airbus and most of the others. He is considered an expert in composite repair and being an A & P, IA there will be no concerns for the repairs needed. Corrie and I have done many field repairs to gliders, just not mine!As I am sure you know it is snowing up here in Reno, so enjoy your time in southern Nevada.BestKurtOn Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 6:24 PM Michael Stockhill wrote:Sad, Kurt,I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture when it comes to doing repairs.If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact (hah) on the value. I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else has a thought.Michael StockhillOn Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh wrote:Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response to my posts.My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday...Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About 100 yards,,,Son Of A Bitch!My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing.Son Of A Bitch! I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor (labour?) and am still down hard for a while.Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with U.S. credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the damage history it now has? Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment.Many Thanks and Best Regards, KurtDimona N16EB S/N 3660 - You are subscribed to the Dimona Owners Group mailing list. This list is archived in public. http://waikeriegliding.com/dog/ To unsubscribe, send email to: dog-unsubscr...@lists.riverland.net.au
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Thank you Rob. >From my survey of the damage and my experience with field repairs in association with my mechanic Corrie Volinkaty the repair scheme you outline is applicable to this situation. Corrie is presently judging the airline A & P contests in Chicago but by the time he gets back to Reno we should have any insurance issues resolved and the weather should break. Best Kurt On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 1:56 AM Rob Thompson wrote: > The attached images will show you what's involved with a wing skin repair. > They are from the underside of a Dimona wing. The images are numbered > 1-2-3-4 so view them in that order. > > I haven't done a Dimona trailing edge but normally the foam sandwich just > tapers to where the inner and out skins bond together. > > In Australia, if the repair scheme is detailed in the Maintenance Manual, > you can just go ahead and do it. This one is is detailed quite well and > easy to follow in the H36 book > > If it is not in the manual we need to get approval from > Diamond.Arghhh! Ian Williams knows all about this. > > regards > Rob > > Rob Thompson > 0429 493 828 > > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 5:13 PM Kurt Redinbaugh > wrote: > >> Thank you Michael. >> The good news is that I am an apprentice Airframe Mechanic and my mentor >> is a senior instructor at Abaris here in Reno. Corrie consults with all >> facets of the composite industry including Boeing, Airbus and most of the >> others. He is considered an expert in composite repair and being an A & P, >> IA there will be no concerns for the repairs needed. Corrie and I have done >> many field repairs to gliders, just not mine! >> As I am sure you know it is snowing up here in Reno, so enjoy your time >> in southern Nevada. >> Best >> Kurt >> >> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 6:24 PM Michael Stockhill >> wrote: >> >>> Sad, Kurt, >>> >>> I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture >>> when it comes to doing repairs. >>> >>> If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good >>> craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact >>> (hah) on the value. >>> >>> I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k >>> ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else >>> has a thought. >>> >>> Michael Stockhill >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >>> wrote: >>> Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response to my posts. My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About 100 yards,,, Son Of A Bitch! My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing. Son Of A Bitch! I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor (labour?) and am still down hard for a while. Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with U.S. credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the damage history it now has? Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment. Many Thanks and Best Regards, Kurt Dimona N16EB S/N 3660 >>> > - > You are subscribed to the Dimona Owners Group mailing list. > This list is archived in public. http://waikeriegliding.com/dog/ > To unsubscribe, send email to: dog-unsubscr...@lists.riverland.net.au
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Tom, I appreciate that sentiment. However I saw a new Stemme at Reno for $500k. Hmmm... Just sayin' Best Kurt p.s. I've often wondered how many H-36's are in the U.S. I know only of mine and Michael Stockhills up in Montana. On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 11:03 AM Tom Preisser wrote: > Kurt, I wouldn't sell my dimona h36 for all the gold in Fort Knox > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 4:50 AM Rob Thompson wrote: > >> The attached images will show you what's involved with a wing skin >> repair. They are from the underside of a Dimona wing. The images are >> numbered 1-2-3-4 so view them in that order. >> >> I haven't done a Dimona trailing edge but normally the foam sandwich just >> tapers to where the inner and out skins bond together. >> >> In Australia, if the repair scheme is detailed in the Maintenance Manual, >> you can just go ahead and do it. This one is is detailed quite well and >> easy to follow in the H36 book >> >> If it is not in the manual we need to get approval from >> Diamond.Arghhh! Ian Williams knows all about this. >> >> regards >> Rob >> >> Rob Thompson >> 0429 493 828 >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 5:13 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Michael. >>> The good news is that I am an apprentice Airframe Mechanic and my mentor >>> is a senior instructor at Abaris here in Reno. Corrie consults with all >>> facets of the composite industry including Boeing, Airbus and most of the >>> others. He is considered an expert in composite repair and being an A & P, >>> IA there will be no concerns for the repairs needed. Corrie and I have done >>> many field repairs to gliders, just not mine! >>> As I am sure you know it is snowing up here in Reno, so enjoy your time >>> in southern Nevada. >>> Best >>> Kurt >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 6:24 PM Michael Stockhill >>> wrote: >>> Sad, Kurt, I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture when it comes to doing repairs. If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact (hah) on the value. I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else has a thought. Michael Stockhill On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh wrote: > Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative > response to my posts. > My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie > down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed > Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... > Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent > saying...I can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 > owned by their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie > down and was walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see > his > C-180 resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the > parking brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About > 100 yards,,, > Son Of A Bitch! > My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole > punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip > and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing. > Son Of A Bitch! > I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor > (labour?) and am still down hard for a while. > Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with > U.S. credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the > damage > history it now has? > Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment. > Many Thanks and > Best Regards, > Kurt > Dimona N16EB S/N 3660 > >> - >> You are subscribed to the Dimona Owners Group mailing list. >> This list is archived in public. http://waikeriegliding.com/dog/ >> To unsubscribe, send email to: dog-unsubscr...@lists.riverland.net.au > >
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Kurt, I wouldn't sell my dimona h36 for all the gold in Fort Knox On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 4:50 AM Rob Thompson wrote: > The attached images will show you what's involved with a wing skin repair. > They are from the underside of a Dimona wing. The images are numbered > 1-2-3-4 so view them in that order. > > I haven't done a Dimona trailing edge but normally the foam sandwich just > tapers to where the inner and out skins bond together. > > In Australia, if the repair scheme is detailed in the Maintenance Manual, > you can just go ahead and do it. This one is is detailed quite well and > easy to follow in the H36 book > > If it is not in the manual we need to get approval from > Diamond.Arghhh! Ian Williams knows all about this. > > regards > Rob > > Rob Thompson > 0429 493 828 > > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 5:13 PM Kurt Redinbaugh > wrote: > >> Thank you Michael. >> The good news is that I am an apprentice Airframe Mechanic and my mentor >> is a senior instructor at Abaris here in Reno. Corrie consults with all >> facets of the composite industry including Boeing, Airbus and most of the >> others. He is considered an expert in composite repair and being an A & P, >> IA there will be no concerns for the repairs needed. Corrie and I have done >> many field repairs to gliders, just not mine! >> As I am sure you know it is snowing up here in Reno, so enjoy your time >> in southern Nevada. >> Best >> Kurt >> >> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 6:24 PM Michael Stockhill >> wrote: >> >>> Sad, Kurt, >>> >>> I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture >>> when it comes to doing repairs. >>> >>> If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good >>> craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact >>> (hah) on the value. >>> >>> I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k >>> ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else >>> has a thought. >>> >>> Michael Stockhill >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >>> wrote: >>> Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response to my posts. My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About 100 yards,,, Son Of A Bitch! My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing. Son Of A Bitch! I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor (labour?) and am still down hard for a while. Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with U.S. credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the damage history it now has? Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment. Many Thanks and Best Regards, Kurt Dimona N16EB S/N 3660 >>> > - > You are subscribed to the Dimona Owners Group mailing list. > This list is archived in public. http://waikeriegliding.com/dog/ > To unsubscribe, send email to: dog-unsubscr...@lists.riverland.net.au
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Thank you Michael. The good news is that I am an apprentice Airframe Mechanic and my mentor is a senior instructor at Abaris here in Reno. Corrie consults with all facets of the composite industry including Boeing, Airbus and most of the others. He is considered an expert in composite repair and being an A & P, IA there will be no concerns for the repairs needed. Corrie and I have done many field repairs to gliders, just not mine! As I am sure you know it is snowing up here in Reno, so enjoy your time in southern Nevada. Best Kurt On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 6:24 PM Michael Stockhill wrote: > Sad, Kurt, > > I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture when > it comes to doing repairs. > > If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good > craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact > (hah) on the value. > > I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k ADSB/transponder, > should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else has a thought. > > Michael Stockhill > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh > wrote: > >> Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response >> to my posts. >> My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie >> down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed >> Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... >> Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I >> can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by >> their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was >> walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 >> resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking >> brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About 100 >> yards,,, >> Son Of A Bitch! >> My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole >> punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip >> and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing. >> Son Of A Bitch! >> I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor >> (labour?) and am still down hard for a while. >> Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with U.S. >> credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the damage >> history it now has? >> Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment. >> Many Thanks and >> Best Regards, >> Kurt >> Dimona N16EB S/N 3660 >> >
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Thank you for the supporting suggestions. There is no damage to the spar or rovings near the spar. It appears to be a plug and layering type of repair. The TE is not split open but slightly crushed for about 3 inches. I will meet with the insurance representative from the C-180 owner this coming Tuesday and we will establish a course of action at that point. Best to all And make that N13EB. I have fat fingers. Kurt On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 9:17 PM Rob Thompson wrote: > Is there any damage done to the spa or the rovings which run along next to > the spar? > If not you may just be up for a fairly stock standard double skin foam > sandwich repair which is detailed in the maintenance manual. > Rob > > > On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, 12:25 pm Ian Mc Phee, wrote: > >> Agree properly done repairs are not an issue. Many good repairers have >> spent time in Europe learning their trade. >> >> >> Ian McPhee >> +61 428847642 >> >> On Sun, 7 Apr. 2024, 11:24 am Michael Stockhill, >> wrote: >> >>> Sad, Kurt, >>> >>> I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture >>> when it comes to doing repairs. >>> >>> If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good >>> craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact >>> (hah) on the value. >>> >>> I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k >>> ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else >>> has a thought. >>> >>> Michael Stockhill >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >>> wrote: >>> Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response to my posts. My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About 100 yards,,, Son Of A Bitch! My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing. Son Of A Bitch! I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor (labour?) and am still down hard for a while. Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with U.S. credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the damage history it now has? Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment. Many Thanks and Best Regards, Kurt Dimona N16EB S/N 3660 >>>
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Is there any damage done to the spa or the rovings which run along next to the spar? If not you may just be up for a fairly stock standard double skin foam sandwich repair which is detailed in the maintenance manual. Rob On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, 12:25 pm Ian Mc Phee, wrote: > Agree properly done repairs are not an issue. Many good repairers have > spent time in Europe learning their trade. > > > Ian McPhee > +61 428847642 > > On Sun, 7 Apr. 2024, 11:24 am Michael Stockhill, wrote: > >> Sad, Kurt, >> >> I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture when >> it comes to doing repairs. >> >> If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good >> craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact >> (hah) on the value. >> >> I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k >> ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else >> has a thought. >> >> Michael Stockhill >> >> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh >> wrote: >> >>> Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response >>> to my posts. >>> My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie >>> down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed >>> Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... >>> Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I >>> can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by >>> their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was >>> walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 >>> resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking >>> brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About 100 >>> yards,,, >>> Son Of A Bitch! >>> My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole >>> punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip >>> and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing. >>> Son Of A Bitch! >>> I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor >>> (labour?) and am still down hard for a while. >>> Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with U.S. >>> credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the damage >>> history it now has? >>> Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment. >>> Many Thanks and >>> Best Regards, >>> Kurt >>> Dimona N16EB S/N 3660 >>> >>
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Can you send some pics of the damage Kurt?Is yours a Mk1 or MK2? Best Regards Laurie On Sunday, 7 April 2024 at 10:40:16 am AEST, Kurt Redinbaugh wrote: Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response to my posts.My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday...Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About 100 yards,,,Son Of A Bitch!My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing.Son Of A Bitch! I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor (labour?) and am still down hard for a while.Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with U.S. credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the damage history it now has? Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment.Many Thanks and Best Regards, KurtDimona N16EB S/N 3660
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Agree properly done repairs are not an issue. Many good repairers have spent time in Europe learning their trade. Ian McPhee +61 428847642 On Sun, 7 Apr. 2024, 11:24 am Michael Stockhill, wrote: > Sad, Kurt, > > I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture when > it comes to doing repairs. > > If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good > craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact > (hah) on the value. > > I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k ADSB/transponder, > should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else has a thought. > > Michael Stockhill > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh > wrote: > >> Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response >> to my posts. >> My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie >> down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed >> Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... >> Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I >> can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by >> their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was >> walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 >> resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking >> brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About 100 >> yards,,, >> Son Of A Bitch! >> My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole >> punched in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip >> and some TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing. >> Son Of A Bitch! >> I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor >> (labour?) and am still down hard for a while. >> Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with U.S. >> credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the damage >> history it now has? >> Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment. >> Many Thanks and >> Best Regards, >> Kurt >> Dimona N16EB S/N 3660 >> >
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Sad, Kurt, I am more concerned about the trailing edge damage than the puncture when it comes to doing repairs. If it is documented with photos before repair, and repaired with good craftsmanship, I wouldn't expect the damage described to have any impact (hah) on the value. I figure mine, which is in pretty nice shape, with a $6k ADSB/transponder, should be valued in mid $40s. Let's see if anyone else has a thought. Michael Stockhill On Sat, Apr 6, 2024, 5:40 PM Kurt Redinbaugh wrote: > Hello all and again many thanks for the prompt and informative response to > my posts. > My last email concerned a flat tire I had while taxiing back to my tie > down spot at Reno-Stead Airfield. I got new tubes and tires installed > Tuesday of this week and had planned to fly Wednesday... > Wednesday morning I received an email from an insurance agent saying...I > can't make this up...my Dimona had been hit by a Cessna 180 owned by > their insured!!! Seems the owner had landed, taxied to his tie down and was > walking to his car when he heard a noise and turned to see his C-180 > resting against my port wing!!! He says he thought he had set the parking > brake and the wind must have blown his aircraft into mine!!! About 100 > yards,,, > Son Of A Bitch! > My wife and I raced up to the airfield to find that there's a hole punched > in the top of my port wing, possibly caused by his propeller tip and some > TE damage where the C 180 came to rest against the wing. > Son Of A Bitch! > I paid the greedy bastard at the shop for two tubes, tires and labor > (labour?) and am still down hard for a while. > Sooo my question is what is the present value of a Dimona H-36 with U.S. > credentials, and is there any expected loss of value due to the damage > history it now has? > Kinda wordy but I'm REALLY upset at the moment. > Many Thanks and > Best Regards, > Kurt > Dimona N16EB S/N 3660 >