Re: [Dorset] Bournemouth Pub Meet Tonight, Wed 2010-08-04 20:00.
On 07/08/2010 18:25, John Cooper wrote: On 07/08/10 12:45, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Peter, We did have a discussion about other venues, and I suggested teh grasshopper. Any thoughts on it? Anyone know it? http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/12/12158/Grasshopper/Parkstone Looks to have ample parking and bus stops in both directions right outside. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=BH14+9HT&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Poole,+Dorset+BH14+9HT,+United+Kingdom&ei=kkVdTPfvKYa80gTe2I29Bw&ved=0CBQQ8gEwAA&ll=50.724612,-1.935772&spn=0.001141,0.006866&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=50.72461,-1.935599&panoid=j0Myr_rYFiDSNBW5Gh3UTA&cbp=12,294.19,,0,1.16 It has recently been remodelled and has a nice modern atmosphere. The only downside is it is a Badger pub and not my favourite brewer. AFAIK there are no buses that go down that part of the road any more, so you'd have to get off at St Osmunds Church and walk back (a few minutes). M1 stops there. How about Miller & Carter - http://www.millerandcarter.co.uk/ Its a bit further along the same road as the kings and there is a bus stop near by, not sure if its the same buses stop there as they do at the kings but since its on the same road I would have thought so. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=50.753571,-1.931648&spn=0.000833,0.002411&z=19&layer=c&cbll=50.753571,-1.931648&panoid=x4y5To1DuxRttK1th_ncDQ&cbp=12,198.42,,0,10.11 -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On Saturday 07 August 2010, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
> On Saturday 07 August 2010, Keith Edmunds wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 21:14:14 +0100, andy.pater...@ntlworld.com said:
> > > I have been running for years without backups - using the relatively
> > > simple notion that raid mirroring is arguably as good as backups
> >
> > NO!
> >
> > It might work for you, which is fine; however, there is a world of
> > difference between RAID and backups.
> >
> > RAID will hopefully protect your data in the event of a hardware failure,
> > there is a small subset of classes of hardware failure that it will not
> > protect against.
> >
> > Backups will allow you to restore lost data. The data may be lost by:
> > - a hardware problem
> > - finger trouble ("rm -rf *" in the wrong directory, or "cp
> >
> >backupversion currentversion")
> >
> > - subsequent editing ("I want this file as it was before the changes I
> >
> >made last Thursday")
> >
> > - a software bug
> > - a break-in
> > - power failure at the wrong time
> > - theft of your PC
> > - deleting, only later realising that you still need the data
> >
> > ...and so on. RAID protects you against some of the first category, and
> > none of the rest.
> >
> > As I say, if it works for you, fine, but it is wrong to assert in general
> > that "raid mirroring is arguably as good as backups": it isn't.
> >
> > FWIW: I've resorted to backups to recover from each of the first four
> > above, and the last. All my systems run RAID.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > --
> > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00
> > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413
> >
> >Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset
> >
> >List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
>
> I did say "arguably".
> As I said attach a new temporary (usb?) device, resync detach == backup -
> no downtime.
And I am -obviously- talikng about mirroring (raid 1).
--
Andy Paterson
--
Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00
http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413
Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset
List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On Saturday 07 August 2010, Keith Edmunds wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 21:14:14 +0100, andy.pater...@ntlworld.com said:
> > I have been running for years without backups - using the relatively
> > simple notion that raid mirroring is arguably as good as backups
>
> NO!
>
> It might work for you, which is fine; however, there is a world of
> difference between RAID and backups.
>
> RAID will hopefully protect your data in the event of a hardware failure,
> there is a small subset of classes of hardware failure that it will not
> protect against.
>
> Backups will allow you to restore lost data. The data may be lost by:
>
> - a hardware problem
> - finger trouble ("rm -rf *" in the wrong directory, or "cp
>backupversion currentversion")
> - subsequent editing ("I want this file as it was before the changes I
>made last Thursday")
> - a software bug
> - a break-in
> - power failure at the wrong time
> - theft of your PC
> - deleting, only later realising that you still need the data
>
> ...and so on. RAID protects you against some of the first category, and
> none of the rest.
>
> As I say, if it works for you, fine, but it is wrong to assert in general
> that "raid mirroring is arguably as good as backups": it isn't.
>
> FWIW: I've resorted to backups to recover from each of the first four
> above, and the last. All my systems run RAID.
>
> Keith
>
> --
> Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00
> http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413
>Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset
>List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
I did say "arguably".
As I said attach a new temporary (usb?) device, resync detach == backup - no
downtime.
--
Andy Paterson
--
Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00
http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413
Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset
List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On 07/08/10 21:32, Keith Edmunds wrote: On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 21:14:14 +0100, andy.pater...@ntlworld.com said: I have been running for years without backups - using the relatively simple notion that raid mirroring is arguably as good as backups NO! It might work for you, which is fine; however, there is a world of difference between RAID and backups. I agree but he may be talking about using raid 1 (mirroring) to swap out a spare disc which is what I do. However unless you do this daily (which I wouldn't advise even if scsi), you still need to backup any changes since the last disc swap out. For this I use a combination of rsync to another system and tar up my complete home directory daily. When I plan an upgrade, I always swap out the mirror disc and ensure the new disc has updated before starting. This has worked well when the upgrade went t*ts up, ensuring a rapid recovery. -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 21:14:14 +0100, andy.pater...@ntlworld.com said:
> I have been running for years without backups - using the relatively
> simple notion that raid mirroring is arguably as good as backups
NO!
It might work for you, which is fine; however, there is a world of
difference between RAID and backups.
RAID will hopefully protect your data in the event of a hardware failure,
there is a small subset of classes of hardware failure that it will not
protect against.
Backups will allow you to restore lost data. The data may be lost by:
- a hardware problem
- finger trouble ("rm -rf *" in the wrong directory, or "cp
backupversion currentversion")
- subsequent editing ("I want this file as it was before the changes I
made last Thursday")
- a software bug
- a break-in
- power failure at the wrong time
- theft of your PC
- deleting, only later realising that you still need the data
...and so on. RAID protects you against some of the first category, and
none of the rest.
As I say, if it works for you, fine, but it is wrong to assert in general
that "raid mirroring is arguably as good as backups": it isn't.
FWIW: I've resorted to backups to recover from each of the first four
above, and the last. All my systems run RAID.
Keith
--
Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00
http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413
Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset
List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On Saturday 07 August 2010, Tim wrote: > On Saturday 07 August 2010 13:02:14 Robert Bronsdon wrote: > > On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 10:09:51 +0100, Peter Merchant > > > > wrote: > > > Thanks, Terry, but it is this last stage that gives the grief. k3b > > > collects all the files and folders that I want, but has a -known- > > > problem when it starts to write to a disk. I have used it before for > > > cutting ISOs out to disk as distros, and it is fine with that. > > > > So the thread has ended up off topic, alot. > > > > Not at all, in Peters first post his first line states > > >"What does anyone recommend. I want to backup selected files/directories > >from my data disk. Been meaning to do this for months." > > So several member answer stating the software package they use to backup > their files and folders and that is off topic > > Peter question is two part, he states in the second part of his message > that the way he currently does his backup he is having problems burning > the data to CD with 3KB. There is nothing in the message to suggest that > he only want to continue to burn his backed-up data to CD\DVD so I fail to > see where the thread has gone OT. > > Peter has had many suggestion from software packages to cli solutions so > from his original question he has had a very good varied response > > Tim > > > -- > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 >Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset >List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset Just to go "off topic" some more I have been running for years without backups - using the relatively simple notion that raid mirroring is arguably as good as backups (well - the kind of backups a home user makes anyway). I did however find that mirroring root etc is a bit of a waste & performance killer - since if you lose root, chances are you are best off doing a reinstall anyway. I have two mirrored disks (mainly for /home, but I also my "multimedia files" for mediatomb aka a ps3 & my TV). I have survived around 10 years or longer pretty safely using this arrangement PROVIDED you watch the state of each disk in the mirror, when a disk fails - you _rapidly_ buy a replacement (whilst possibly continuing running on a wing and a prayer!) slap in the new disk - resynch and - carry on! I can imagine that if I had a usb disk I could theoretically add that to my raid - sync it, then detach it from my raid and store it somewhere as a potentially mountable disk snapshot. A nice feature is that resynching is a background process - slows the machine down a little - but not much. But I am now on about my 3rd pair of disks and as I say I have survived ok for over 10 years ( & many upgrades of Redhat through Fedora 12). I have so much old junk in my /home though!! Linux Raid Rules. Andy Paterson -- Andy Paterson -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] FTP files blocked.
I've got it sorted now. By default Filezilla comes set in 'auto' mode where the file extension decides whether it is transferred as ASCII or Binary. The trouble was that while the mono.exe CLI files do have an exe extension, so are transferred as binary, ordinary C++-based executables have no extension. Also by default, the 'treat no extension as ASCII' box is ticked. So untick at both ends and it defaults to binary, and the programmes run on the destination computer. Thanks all. Simono On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 17:42 +0100, Dan Dart wrote: > > I would start with the Binary mode problem. This is only a problem if you > > are looking at compiled code, not bash scripts etc. > > I think any binary data type not openable with a text editor would > have the same problem. > > -- > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 >Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset >List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Bournemouth Pub Meet Tonight, Wed 2010-08-04 20:00.
On 07/08/10 12:45, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Peter, We did have a discussion about other venues, and I suggested teh grasshopper. Any thoughts on it? Anyone know it? http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/12/12158/Grasshopper/Parkstone Looks to have ample parking and bus stops in both directions right outside. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=BH14+9HT&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Poole,+Dorset+BH14+9HT,+United+Kingdom&ei=kkVdTPfvKYa80gTe2I29Bw&ved=0CBQQ8gEwAA&ll=50.724612,-1.935772&spn=0.001141,0.006866&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=50.72461,-1.935599&panoid=j0Myr_rYFiDSNBW5Gh3UTA&cbp=12,294.19,,0,1.16 It has recently been remodelled and has a nice modern atmosphere. The only downside is it is a Badger pub and not my favourite brewer. AFAIK there are no buses that go down that part of the road any more, so you'd have to get off at St Osmunds Church and walk back (a few minutes). M1 stops there. -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] FTP files blocked.
I'll take a look at that; however, mono-cli based exe files are unaffected. On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 17:42 +0100, Dan Dart wrote: > > I would start with the Binary mode problem. This is only a problem if you > > are looking at compiled code, not bash scripts etc. > > I think any binary data type not openable with a text editor would > have the same problem. > > -- > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 >Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset >List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] FTP files blocked.
> I would start with the Binary mode problem. This is only a problem if you > are looking at compiled code, not bash scripts etc. I think any binary data type not openable with a text editor would have the same problem. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] FTP files blocked.
On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:39:05 +0100, Dan Dart wrote: Looks like either the format is incompatible (vastly differing versions of glibc?) or the file was transferred in ascii mode when it should have been transferred in binary mode. Take a look at your settings on the FTP programs. I would start with the Binary mode problem. This is only a problem if you are looking at compiled code, not bash scripts etc. Am I right in expecting images would break as well as binary executables or am I confused? -- Using Opera M2: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] FTP files blocked.
Looks like either the format is incompatible (vastly differing versions of glibc?) or the file was transferred in ascii mode when it should have been transferred in binary mode. Take a look at your settings on the FTP programs. On 7 August 2010 17:28, Simon O'Riordan wrote: > When I put a linux-based executable file onto my ftp site(not CLI), and > I download it to another computer it no longer works. > The same file across the network works, after I set the permissions to > allow as an executable. > Does anybody know what sort of wise-ass magic the Filezilla programme, > or Ubuntu, does to prevent any executables brought in by this route from > working? > And does anybody know how I can set the permissions back to make it > usable? > It may be because I am downloading to the Desktop. > Thanks, > Simono > > > -- > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 > Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset > List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset > -- Dan Dart _ Need a website? Want some music tailored to you? Visit http://www.dandart.co.uk -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
[Dorset] FTP files blocked.
When I put a linux-based executable file onto my ftp site(not CLI), and I download it to another computer it no longer works. The same file across the network works, after I set the permissions to allow as an executable. Does anybody know what sort of wise-ass magic the Filezilla programme, or Ubuntu, does to prevent any executables brought in by this route from working? And does anybody know how I can set the permissions back to make it usable? It may be because I am downloading to the Desktop. Thanks, Simono -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
I just use a portable drive. And proliferate to my other boxes either from the drive or via networking. On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 14:20 +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Tim, > > > So several member answer stating the software package they use to > > backup their files and folders and that is off topic > > It seems they were a lot of solutions to a different problem. :-) > Repetitive automatic backups compared to a one-off copying of some files > to a DVD. > > Cheers, > Ralph. > > > -- > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 >Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset >List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
Hi Tim, > So several member answer stating the software package they use to > backup their files and folders and that is off topic It seems they were a lot of solutions to a different problem. :-) Repetitive automatic backups compared to a one-off copying of some files to a DVD. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On Saturday 07 August 2010 13:02:14 Robert Bronsdon wrote: > On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 10:09:51 +0100, Peter Merchant > > wrote: > > Thanks, Terry, but it is this last stage that gives the grief. k3b > > collects all the files and folders that I want, but has a -known- > > problem when it starts to write to a disk. I have used it before for > > cutting ISOs out to disk as distros, and it is fine with that. > > So the thread has ended up off topic, alot. Not at all, in Peters first post his first line states >"What does anyone recommend. I want to backup selected files/directories >from my data disk. Been meaning to do this for months." So several member answer stating the software package they use to backup their files and folders and that is off topic Peter question is two part, he states in the second part of his message that the way he currently does his backup he is having problems burning the data to CD with 3KB. There is nothing in the message to suggest that he only want to continue to burn his backed-up data to CD\DVD so I fail to see where the thread has gone OT. Peter has had many suggestion from software packages to cli solutions so from his original question he has had a very good varied response Tim -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 13:02 +0100, Robert Bronsdon wrote: > On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 10:09:51 +0100, Peter Merchant > wrote: > > > Thanks, Terry, but it is this last stage that gives the grief. k3b > > collects all the files and folders that I want, but has a -known- > > problem when it starts to write to a disk. I have used it before for > > cutting ISOs out to disk as distros, and it is fine with that. > > So the thread has ended up off topic, alot. Oh? > > If K3B is able to burns ISOs properly then maybe you should look to build > an iso yourself, then get K3B (or preferred burning software) to manage > that for you separately to generating it. > > Sounds like that is what Ralph was suggesting on his previous note. That is possibly what brasero was doing. Perhaps it was the long filenames that were giving mkisofs grief. I did have a warning about wanting to convert/truncate filenames to ?? format. Some of them are quite long and then the depth of folders adds to that. If I really get desperate - I don't have a backup of this stuff - I'll boot over to the far side and do it with Nero while Rome burns. P. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On Saturday 07 Aug 2010, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > If I've a directory, ./foo, and I want an ISO for burning to CD, I do > > mkisofs -r -J -T -o foo.iso foo > > and then burn the ISO to CD. It can have problems if the filenames or > depth of directory structure are such that the various CD standards > can't cope, but in my case foo contains compressed tar files so it > doesn't happen. Maybe that is why K3B can't cope with data when Peter does his backups. If so, then any kind of archiving/backup utility that creates compressed archives would probably solve the problem in a GUIish way, eg he could use Simple Backup Suite, (which creates archives containing only text files and a big .targz), and then use the K3B GUI to write it to CD. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 10:09:51 +0100, Peter Merchant wrote: Thanks, Terry, but it is this last stage that gives the grief. k3b collects all the files and folders that I want, but has a -known- problem when it starts to write to a disk. I have used it before for cutting ISOs out to disk as distros, and it is fine with that. So the thread has ended up off topic, alot. If K3B is able to burns ISOs properly then maybe you should look to build an iso yourself, then get K3B (or preferred burning software) to manage that for you separately to generating it. -- Using Opera M2: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] Bournemouth Pub Meet Tonight, Wed 2010-08-04 20:00.
Hi Peter, > We did have a discussion about other venues, and I suggested teh > grasshopper. Any thoughts on it? Anyone know it? > > http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/12/12158/Grasshopper/Parkstone Looks to have ample parking and bus stops in both directions right outside. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=BH14+9HT&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Poole,+Dorset+BH14+9HT,+United+Kingdom&ei=kkVdTPfvKYa80gTe2I29Bw&ved=0CBQQ8gEwAA&ll=50.724612,-1.935772&spn=0.001141,0.006866&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=50.72461,-1.935599&panoid=j0Myr_rYFiDSNBW5Gh3UTA&cbp=12,294.19,,0,1.16 Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
Hi Peter, > Thanks, Terry, but it is this last stage that gives the grief. k3b > collects all the files and folders that I want, but has a -known- > problem when it starts to write to a disk. I have used it before for > cutting ISOs out to disk as distros, and it is fine with that. If I've a directory, ./foo, and I want an ISO for burning to CD, I do mkisofs -r -J -T -o foo.iso foo and then burn the ISO to CD. It can have problems if the filenames or depth of directory structure are such that the various CD standards can't cope, but in my case foo contains compressed tar files so it doesn't happen. You can mount the ISO without burning it too. mkdir mnt sudo mount -o loop foo.iso mnt # Poke about mnt. sudo umount mnt Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
Hi Sean, > On 06/08/10 22:01, Tim wrote: > > I also use Lucky Backup > > Wandering slightly OT here, but does Lucky Backup strike anybody else > as a peculiar name for something most folk wouldn't want to trust to > luck? Yes. I hadn't heard of it before. I assumed next up would be WingAndAPrayer Backup competing with WellDoYaPunk Backup. Perhaps it is intending to bestow luck as opposed to hope for it; that's lucky, I've got a backup. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:45 +0100, Terry Coles wrote: > On Friday 06 Aug 2010, Peter Merchant wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 20:43 +0100, Peter Merchant wrote: > > > What does anyone recommend. I want to backup selected files/directories > > > from my data disk. Been meaning to do this for months. > > > > > > K3B fails with a msioft(?) module error that is apparently well known > > > when doing data files, > > > One of the forums recommended brasero, which takes forever (>4 hours) > > > calculating checksums, so I gave up on it. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > That's copying data files out to DVD by the way. > > Hmmm. I didn't answer this originally, because the last line of Peter's > message led me to believe that he was looking for a backup utility that was > designed to write the data to a CD. Most of the replies so far seem to be > about the front end data gathering and not the CDRW capability. > > For what it's worth, I use Simple Backup Suite, which is in the *buntu > repositories as sbackup. It does full backups and incrementals and has > pretty > good configuration capabilities. The only problem is that there is a bug in > later versions of *buntu, which mean that although you can use the GUI to > configure the backup, but it has to be started with 'sudo sbackupd' in a > shell. It will then write the backup to the defined destination, which I > guess would have to be on a hard disk initially, but this could easily be > copied off to a CD later. (Once you've found a CD writer package that works > for you.) Thanks, Terry, but it is this last stage that gives the grief. k3b collects all the files and folders that I want, but has a -known- problem when it starts to write to a disk. I have used it before for cutting ISOs out to disk as distros, and it is fine with that. Peter -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On 06/08/10 22:47, jr wrote:
question to Sean, Dominic, Tim:
Lucky Backup, Backup Manager
.. the best product on the market!
why do you require a 'product' when *nix systems come with s/ware
which fulfills the requirements ("I want to backup selected
files/directories from my data disk")?
In most cases people have taken those basic tools and put some sort of
front-end on them that adds a level of usability and sophistication that
the original tool lacks. Indeed, many effectively combine a number of
tools into one (scheduling, compression, tape/CD/DVD writing, file
transfer, etc.), with a single interface or point of configuration.
Now admittedly I could do that myself, but not being terribly clever or
having an abundance of spare time I tend to pick and off-the-shelf wheel
rather reinventing one every time it is needed!
:-)
If you have the time and brain-power I can see benefits in doing this,
but in the case of backups you might want to get something effective in
place sooner rather than later...
Finally, the word product in this (my) case defines something that has
been wrought of time and effort rather than something that is available
for purchase. All of these 'products' are probably in the repositories
and as such free software.
Sean
--
music, film, comics, books, rants and drivel:
www.funkygibbins.me.uk
--
Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00
http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413
Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset
List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
Re: [Dorset] BAckup software
On Friday 06 Aug 2010, Peter Merchant wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 20:43 +0100, Peter Merchant wrote: > > What does anyone recommend. I want to backup selected files/directories > > from my data disk. Been meaning to do this for months. > > > > K3B fails with a msioft(?) module error that is apparently well known > > when doing data files, > > One of the forums recommended brasero, which takes forever (>4 hours) > > calculating checksums, so I gave up on it. > > > > Any suggestions? > > That's copying data files out to DVD by the way. Hmmm. I didn't answer this originally, because the last line of Peter's message led me to believe that he was looking for a backup utility that was designed to write the data to a CD. Most of the replies so far seem to be about the front end data gathering and not the CDRW capability. For what it's worth, I use Simple Backup Suite, which is in the *buntu repositories as sbackup. It does full backups and incrementals and has pretty good configuration capabilities. The only problem is that there is a bug in later versions of *buntu, which mean that although you can use the GUI to configure the backup, but it has to be started with 'sudo sbackupd' in a shell. It will then write the backup to the defined destination, which I guess would have to be on a hard disk initially, but this could easily be copied off to a CD later. (Once you've found a CD writer package that works for you.) I can't comment on whether this package is better than the others mentioned, but I find it quite simple to use and I've successfully round-tripped my data to prove that it works. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2645413 Chat: http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.blitzed.org&channel=%23dorset List info: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset
