Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Robert Bronsdon
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:36:53 +0100, Simon O'Riordan  
voluntar...@btopenworld.com wrote:



Where is 10.10? What the heck are they playing at?


Getting the release right - not just rushing it out?


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Re: [Dorset] [OT] HP Printer memory

2010-10-10 Thread jr
hi Tim,

On 10 October 2010 09:43, Peter Merchant madsmad...@netscape.net wrote:
 This conversation is six months too late. I had lots of the 72 pin
 memory in 16 and 32 MB, and I threw it all out about 6 months ago in my
 spring clearout.

I still have a couple of dozen assorted old DIMMs knocking around.

if you're interested (and local to Bournemouth), I'd be happy to meet
for a coffee and let you take your pick.

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Terry Coles
On Sunday 10 Oct 2010, Dan Dart wrote:
 It's out!

The 32 bit version is.  No 64 bit yet ;-(

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Re: [Dorset] Which distro would you install?

2010-10-10 Thread Dan Dart
The perfect 10 is out! Just to break your modes of speech.

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Robert Bronsdon
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:37:50 +0100, Simon O'Riordan  
voluntar...@btopenworld.com wrote:



Anyway, progress is smooth so far, except that so many files from so
many servers inevitably means variable download speed.
Probably done by 1330.


That would be the reason for distributing via. .torrent a much better  
protocol for this sort of this.



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Re: [Dorset] Which distro would you install?

2010-10-10 Thread Simon O'Riordan
My upgrade just aborted.
Simono
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 The perfect 10 is out! Just to break your modes of speech.
 
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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Terry Coles
On Sunday 10 Oct 2010, Robert Bronsdon wrote:
 On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:54:12 +0100, Terry Coles d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk
 wrote:
  BTW, BT give me around 6 MB/s on my connection.
 
 Are you meaning 6Mb/s (would often display as ~600KB/s). 6MB/s would be
 marketed as 60Mb/s.
 
 At 6MB/s you should have a full DVD .iso in under 10 minutes.

Typo.  I meant 6 MBits/s.  I knew what the units should be, but my finger 
slipped ;-(

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Re: [Dorset] Which distro would you install?

2010-10-10 Thread Terry Coles
On Sunday 10 Oct 2010, Simon O'Riordan wrote:
 My upgrade just aborted.

Downloading has stopped too.  I've had no data since around midday.

I did try bittorrent, but that only gave me about 1 kb/s.

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Ralph Corderoy

Hi Simon,

 Must have come out at 11? Is that 10 GMT?

I expect it came out at ten minutes past ten GMT/UTC.  So yes, a bit
gone 11 here;  it's still summertime.

$ TZ=Europe/London date -d '2010-10-10 10:10 UTC'
2010-10-10 11:10:00 +0100 Sun
$ 

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Simon O'Riordan
My wireless was KO'd at about 45% download.
After switching to wire, and recommencing about 5 times as it kept
aborting, I have reached the end of download and am now installing.
Fingers crossed!
Simono
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 Don't forget the ten seconds!
 
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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Simon O'Riordan
I am now(at the 3rd attempt because the servers aren't up to it), slowly
downloading Netbook edition for a clean install.
Maybe it will work. Maybe it won't. This is going to be an all-nighter,
and I may have to revert.
Fortunately I backed up the good stuff already.
Simono
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 14:59 +0100, Simon O'Riordan wrote:
 Wunderbar! I have ABSOLUTELY NO DESKTOP WHATSOEVER. 10.10 is a console!
 On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 12:49 +, Bryn Jones wrote:
  On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Simon O'Riordan
  voluntar...@btopenworld.com wrote:
   My wireless was KO'd at about 45% download.
   After switching to wire, and recommencing about 5 times as it kept
   aborting, I have reached the end of download and am now installing.
   Fingers crossed!
   Simono
   On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 13:12 +0100, Dan Dart wrote:
   Don't forget the ten seconds!
  
  
  Hmmm
  
  Ran update-manager -d and was greeted by 'Welcome to the Ubuntu
  'Maverick Meerkat' development release'
  
  Maybe later.
  
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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Simon O'Riordan
If NBR is NBG, I'll probably dig out my Fedora 13 disk and go with that.
Bloody shambles.
Simono
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 15:16 +0100, Simon O'Riordan wrote:
 I am now(at the 3rd attempt because the servers aren't up to it), slowly
 downloading Netbook edition for a clean install.
 Maybe it will work. Maybe it won't. This is going to be an all-nighter,
 and I may have to revert.
 Fortunately I backed up the good stuff already.
 Simono
 On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 14:59 +0100, Simon O'Riordan wrote:
  Wunderbar! I have ABSOLUTELY NO DESKTOP WHATSOEVER. 10.10 is a console!
  On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 12:49 +, Bryn Jones wrote:
   On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Simon O'Riordan
   voluntar...@btopenworld.com wrote:
My wireless was KO'd at about 45% download.
After switching to wire, and recommencing about 5 times as it kept
aborting, I have reached the end of download and am now installing.
Fingers crossed!
Simono
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 13:12 +0100, Dan Dart wrote:
Don't forget the ten seconds!
   
   
   Hmmm
   
   Ran update-manager -d and was greeted by 'Welcome to the Ubuntu
   'Maverick Meerkat' development release'
   
   Maybe later.
   
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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Simon O'Riordan
The latest - my modified xorg.conf file seemed to be the cause of the
problem.
From the command line I removed it and I now have the desktop, but get
this - no keyboard or mouse.
Trying USBs.
Simono
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 15:33 +0100, Simon O'Riordan wrote:
 If NBR is NBG, I'll probably dig out my Fedora 13 disk and go with that.
 Bloody shambles.
 Simono
 On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 15:16 +0100, Simon O'Riordan wrote:
  I am now(at the 3rd attempt because the servers aren't up to it), slowly
  downloading Netbook edition for a clean install.
  Maybe it will work. Maybe it won't. This is going to be an all-nighter,
  and I may have to revert.
  Fortunately I backed up the good stuff already.
  Simono
  On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 14:59 +0100, Simon O'Riordan wrote:
   Wunderbar! I have ABSOLUTELY NO DESKTOP WHATSOEVER. 10.10 is a console!
   On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 12:49 +, Bryn Jones wrote:
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Simon O'Riordan
voluntar...@btopenworld.com wrote:
 My wireless was KO'd at about 45% download.
 After switching to wire, and recommencing about 5 times as it kept
 aborting, I have reached the end of download and am now installing.
 Fingers crossed!
 Simono
 On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 13:12 +0100, Dan Dart wrote:
 Don't forget the ten seconds!


Hmmm

Ran update-manager -d and was greeted by 'Welcome to the Ubuntu
'Maverick Meerkat' development release'

Maybe later.

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Ralph Corderoy

Hi,

Dan wrote:
 It's out!

An amusing release announce email from Robbie Williams-
on.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-October/000139.html

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Simon O'Riordan
I've calmed down enough now, Ralph.
Please pass this on to the appropriate levels.
1)HP 2133 needs additions to the xorg.conf file with 10.04 to make the
external monitor port work.
2)These mods prevent X from loading with 10.10.
3)Iff you take the mods out, 10.10 should be fine.

Nuff said.
Obviously I bollocksed my conf file up, so I have to do a clean install.
Simono
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 16:28 +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Dan wrote:
  It's out!
 
 An amusing release announce email from Robbie Williams-
 on.
 
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-October/000139.html
 
 Cheers,
 Ralph.
 
 
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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Terry Coles
On Sunday 10 Oct 2010, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
 Hi Simon,
 
  Wunderbar! I have ABSOLUTELY NO DESKTOP WHATSOEVER. 10.10 is a console!
 
 ...angels fear to tread.
 
 Why not wait a week?

I didn't and (so far) I seem to have a pretty good installation.

I did a clean install of Kubuntu, keeping my /home partition.  I've still got 
to reinstall all the packages that I need that don't come with the live disc, 
so something might yet break.  However all my winges from 10.04 seem to be 
fixed.

Standby for the new winges ;-)

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Sean Gibbins
 On 10/10/10 17:09, Terry Coles wrote:
 On Sunday 10 Oct 2010, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
 Hi Simon,

 Wunderbar! I have ABSOLUTELY NO DESKTOP WHATSOEVER. 10.10 is a console!
 ...angels fear to tread.

 Why not wait a week?
 I didn't and (so far) I seem to have a pretty good installation.

 I did a clean install of Kubuntu, keeping my /home partition.  I've still got 
 to reinstall all the packages that I need that don't come with the live disc, 
 so something might yet break.  However all my winges from 10.04 seem to be 
 fixed.

 Standby for the new winges ;-)


On the point of effectively cloning an Ubuntu or Debian instance in
terms of the installed packages after a clean install, I have used this
method in the past:

- run the command 'dpkg –get-selections  ./selectionfile' on the
machine to be cloned
- when the base install has finished on the other machine copy the
“selectionfile” across to it (or stash it in your /home partition)
- update the repositories according to your requirements and then run
the command 'dpkg –set-selections  ./selectionfile  apt-get
dselect-upgrade' on the new build

Of course, this only installs the packages and any configuration of
those packages will be lost without it backing up on the old machine and
restoring it on the new.

These days though I tend to not bother with the above, and do a fresh
install with every release (usually from the beta - talk about
impatient!), and then restore the additional packages as and when I need
them, figuring if they don't get reinstalled it's because they're no
longer needed!

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Robert Bronsdon
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:05:33 +0100, Simon O'Riordan  
voluntar...@btopenworld.com wrote:



Fuck-ups like this aren't just embarrassing; they are harmful to Linux.


Sadly we still haven't ruled out PEBKAC

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Re: [Dorset] Which distro would you install?

2010-10-10 Thread Robert Bronsdon
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:45:56 +0100, Terry Coles d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk  
wrote:



I did try bittorrent, but that only gave me about 1 kb/s.


I find torrents can take a few minutes to get up to full speed. This is of  
course presuming everyone in the seed pool is uploading at a decent rate.


Also note that until there are a decent number of full copies of the file  
in the pool things will be slow.


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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Ralph Corderoy

Hi Simon,

 I've calmed down enough now, Ralph.

:-)

 Please pass this on to the appropriate levels.
 1)HP 2133 needs additions to the xorg.conf file with 10.04 to make the
 external monitor port work.
 2)These mods prevent X from loading with 10.10.
 3)Iff you take the mods out, 10.10 should be fine.

I think it's only reasonable to expect an upgrade to go from packages
from the repositories for 10.04 to packages for 10.10.  The more
tinkering outside of packages that's gone on, e.g. to get sound working,
PulseAudio upgrade, etc., the less likely the upgrade to work.

Cheers,
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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Ralph Corderoy

Hi Sean,

 On the point of effectively cloning an Ubuntu or Debian instance in
 terms of the installed packages after a clean install, I have used
 this method in the past:
 
 - run the command 'dpkg –get-selections  ./selectionfile' on the
 machine to be cloned
 - when the base install has finished on the other machine copy the
 “selectionfile” across to it (or stash it in your /home partition)
 - update the repositories according to your requirements and then run
 the command 'dpkg –set-selections  ./selectionfile  apt-get
 dselect-upgrade' on the new build

I was going to suggest something similar.  It may be possible in theory
for the above to try and install a package that has deliberately been
dropped between releases, or has been superceded by something that
conflicts, I'm not sure.

A variation is to get a sorted list of installed packages before
upgrading,

aptitude search -F %p '~i' | sort before

and again after, and then investigate the ones that were installed
before but not after to see whether they should be installed again.

comm -23 before after

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Terry Coles
On Sunday 10 Oct 2010, Terry Coles wrote:
 I didn't and (so far) I seem to have a pretty good installation.
 
 I did a clean install of Kubuntu, keeping my /home partition.  I've still
 got to reinstall all the packages that I need that don't come with the
 live disc, so something might yet break.  However all my winges from 10.04
 seem to be fixed.
 
 Standby for the new winges ;-)

None so far.  Everything works, with some things better than before.  
PulseAudio took a bit of setting up to get the Mic to come through, but it's 
clearer than it was.

System boots quicker than before and seems very responsive.

I'm happy.

However, my son's laptop is playing up...  Stay tuned.

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Terry Coles
On Sunday 10 Oct 2010, Terry Coles wrote:
 However, my son's laptop is playing up...  Stay tuned.

Two out of two now.  We think his problem was a ropey CD drive.  It installed 
and ran second time with no problem.

We had to connect him to the router with string because his Wi-Fi chipset is a 
Broadcom and needed the b43 firmware.  Once that was installed, no problem.

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Simon O'Riordan
Terry - my Netbook version specified a network connection in the install
dialogue. It automatically hacked the B43 and I had nothing to do once I
pulled the Ethernet out.
Also - the xorg.conf hack works again and I have an external monitor
port.
The problem with the upgrade install seems to have been conflicting
files.
This is turning out to be a really sweet little number.
Going to have to buy £30 worth of memory for my netbook though, to give
it headroom for imaging apps. That is the ONLY negative I now have.
Simono
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 21:21 +0100, Terry Coles wrote:
 On Sunday 10 Oct 2010, Terry Coles wrote:
  However, my son's laptop is playing up...  Stay tuned.
 
 Two out of two now.  We think his problem was a ropey CD drive.  It installed 
 and ran second time with no problem.
 
 We had to connect him to the router with string because his Wi-Fi chipset is 
 a 
 Broadcom and needed the b43 firmware.  Once that was installed, no problem.
 



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Re: [Dorset] xloadimage - transparent images

2010-10-10 Thread jr
hi Andrew,

 using imagemagick has solved my background problem thanks, my bash function is
 now (roughly)

nothing like a bit of magic. :-)

been thinking that this quite a useful bit of code.   how about
putting it, documented, onto the Wiki?

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Re: [Dorset] WTH?

2010-10-10 Thread Ralph Corderoy

Hi Simon,

 Sometimes I could weep.
 On the fora, some guy asks why his external screen doesn't work with
 Ubuntu, but works straight away with Windows 7.
 The Ubuntu troll repliesIt does work with Ubuntu
 Bloke-no, it doesn't.
 Ubuntu Troll -It's not Ubuntu's fault, it's the drivers.
 Bloke- why then does it work with Windows 7?
 Until we can laugh out some of these Ubuntoids who are incapable of
 honesty or reason, Microsoft is going to die. 
 Laughing.
 Fanatics don't make for any kind of lasting progress.IMO

Any chance of a link to the forum thread so some of us could give more
balanced help to the questioner?

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Re: [Dorset] xloadimage - transparent images

2010-10-10 Thread Ralph Corderoy

Hi Andy,

 using imagemagick has solved my background problem thanks

I had a quick look at xloadimage's source;  I don't think it handles
transparent pixels at all.

There's also netpbm to do the image composition, but I think it would
take more steps.  The transparency mask would be extracted to a PGM and
then used, e.g. with pnmcomp(1).

Cheers,
Ralph.


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2010-10-10 Thread Andrew R Paterson
Hi Ralph,
thanks for that, convert/composite works fine - but gee! it's 
noticeably 
slow!
Despite ImageMagick being around for many years, I never thought of it being 
much more than display(1) :)
I'll have a look at netpbm/pnmcomp.
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