Re: [Dorset] WTH?
Now that's the million dollar question. I'll try and find it again. Simono On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 23:27 +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Simon, Sometimes I could weep. On the fora, some guy asks why his external screen doesn't work with Ubuntu, but works straight away with Windows 7. The Ubuntu troll repliesIt does work with Ubuntu Bloke-no, it doesn't. Ubuntu Troll -It's not Ubuntu's fault, it's the drivers. Bloke- why then does it work with Windows 7? Until we can laugh out some of these Ubuntoids who are incapable of honesty or reason, Microsoft is going to die. Laughing. Fanatics don't make for any kind of lasting progress.IMO Any chance of a link to the forum thread so some of us could give more balanced help to the questioner? Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] WTH?
Here you are: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1592088 On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 09:53 +0100, Simon O'Riordan wrote: Now that's the million dollar question. I'll try and find it again. Simono On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 23:27 +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Simon, Sometimes I could weep. On the fora, some guy asks why his external screen doesn't work with Ubuntu, but works straight away with Windows 7. The Ubuntu troll repliesIt does work with Ubuntu Bloke-no, it doesn't. Ubuntu Troll -It's not Ubuntu's fault, it's the drivers. Bloke- why then does it work with Windows 7? Until we can laugh out some of these Ubuntoids who are incapable of honesty or reason, Microsoft is going to die. Laughing. Fanatics don't make for any kind of lasting progress.IMO Any chance of a link to the forum thread so some of us could give more balanced help to the questioner? Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] WTH?
Sorry - forgot to mention The driver is still in a non-ready stage according to the developers. However it seems to be working just fine for me on Fedora. -- Robert Bronsdon -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
[Dorset] OT (ish): Accessing a SparcStation remotely with a graphical interface from a Windows Box
Hi, We need to do some work with our SparcStation again, but this time remotely from a windows machine. I can telnet to it and carry out the usual shell type activities, but one or two things we need to do with it, launch a dialog box under X. What is the simplest way to do this? I was initially advised to try PuTTY, which was just as good at getting me into a shell as telnet, but I couldn't get it to give me a graphical environment. I was then told to try cygwin, which (eventually) gave me a graphical environment, but so far has defied my attempts to connect. Can anyone suggest how to get any of these solutions working? Or is there a better way? Terry -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] OT (ish): Accessing a SparcStation remotely with a graphical interface from a Windows Box
Presuming you have X installed on the SparcStation??? If not then this is your first step. Is there a reason you cannot run a VNC or RDP server on the SparcStation? If you absolutely _have_ to create an actual remote X instance from the SparcStation then your going to have to use something like http://x.cygwin.com/ which is an X client for windows. -- Robert Bronsdon -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] OT (ish): Accessing a SparcStation remotely with a graphical interface from a Windows Box
Hi Terry, We need to do some work with our SparcStation again, but this time remotely from a windows machine. I can telnet to it and carry out the usual shell type activities, but one or two things we need to do with it, launch a dialog box under X. What is the simplest way to do this? I was initially advised to try PuTTY, which was just as good at getting me into a shell as telnet, but I couldn't get it to give me a graphical environment. PuTTY won't help the X window from your client on the SparcStation display on your PC's screen AFAIK. I was then told to try cygwin, which (eventually) gave me a graphical environment, but so far has defied my attempts to connect. Can anyone suggest how to get any of these solutions working? Or is there a better way? If you had an X server running on your Windows PC then you could set your DISPLAY environment variable to an appropriate value at the shell prompt on the SparcStation before you run your program. That would tell all X clients that the X server to connect to is on the Windows PC. http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ is one Windows X server, and I tend to use xclock(1) as a simple test X client. You may want to make sure it will display OK when sitting at the SparcStation's screen before using it to test connecting to a remote X server. You've still got to sort out stuff like the X server allowing connections from the SparcStation, and the value of DISPLAY. It's normally hostname:0 but that assumes the Windows PC's IP address is resolvable as hostname on the SparcStation. You could put its IP address in instead. And the :0 may need to be something else, depending on what port Xming listens. Alternatives include having the SparcStation export its screen over something like VNC, but I don't know if it can do that easily out of the box. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] OT (ish): Accessing a SparcStation remotely with a graphical interface from a Windows Box
On 11/10/10 14:18, Ralph Corderoy wrote: What is the simplest way to do this? I was initially advised to try PuTTY, which was just as good at getting me into a shell as telnet, but I couldn't get it to give me a graphical environment. PuTTY won't help the X window from your client on the SparcStation display on your PC's screen AFAIK. You still need an X server like Xming on the windows PC, the X11 forwarding can be done with PuTTY. I have Xming on my Windows PC and when I SSH to a linux server/desktop using PuTTY with the X11 forwarding enabled it works fine. I have no idea if this would work with SparcStation. -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] OT (ish): Accessing a SparcStation remotely with a graphical interface from a Windows Box
On 11 October 2010 at 14:18 Ralph Corderoy ra...@inputplus.co.uk wrote: We need to do some work with our SparcStation again, but this time remotely from a windows machine. I can telnet to it and carry out the usual shell type activities, but one or two things we need to do with it, launch a dialog box under X. I was then told to try cygwin, which (eventually) gave me a graphical environment, but so far has defied my attempts to connect. OK. I've fixed that. I've found my way to the right documentation and I hadn't got inetutils installed. If you had an X server running on your Windows PC then you could set your DISPLAY environment variable to an appropriate value at the shell prompt on the SparcStation before you run your program. That would tell all X clients that the X server to connect to is on the Windows PC. I have cygwin's X server running and I know it is working because I have loaded and run a window manager. http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ is one Windows X server, and I tend to use xclock(1) as a simple test X client. You may want to make sure it will display OK when sitting at the SparcStation's screen before using it to test connecting to a remote X server. X is running on the SparcStation and is used for a number of things, including the dialog boxes used for our scripts. You've still got to sort out stuff like the X server allowing connections from the SparcStation, and the value of DISPLAY. It's normally hostname:0 but that assumes the Windows PC's IP address is resolvable as hostname on the SparcStation. You could put its IP address in instead. And the :0 may need to be something else, depending on what port Xming listens. This is the bit I need to get sorted. The cygwin docs say: Start snippet On yourWindows machine: 1. Make sure you have the inetutils package installed. 2. Launch Cygwin/X 3. In an X terminal type /usr/bin/xhost remote_hostname_or_ip_address 4. In an X terminal type /usr/bin/telnet remote_hostname_or_ip_address. Use the explicit path to ensure that Cygwin’s telnet is run instead of Microsoft’s telnet; Microsoft’s telnet will crash on startup when run from Cygwin/X. 5. Login to your remote machine via your telnet session 6. In your telnet session type, DISPLAY=windows_hostname_or_ip_address:0.0 7. In your telnet session type, export DISPLAY 8. You can now launch remote X clients in your telnet session, for example, xterm will launch an xterm running on your remote host that will display on your Cygwin/X screen. 9. Launch other remote clients in the same manner; I recommend starting the remote clients in the background, by appending to the command name, so that you don’t have to open several telnet sessions. End snippet I'm OK until I get to step 6, when I get a 'Command not recognised' error. Is sending that command via the telnet session causing the problem or am I missing something else? Alternatives include having the SparcStation export its screen over something like VNC, but I don't know if it can do that easily out of the box. Ralph, if you don't know how to do that, then I don't stand chance :-) Terry -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] xloadimage
hi Andrew, Hi Ralph, thanks for that, convert/composite works fine - but gee! it's noticeably slow! hm, just how frequently do you need to change the background on your root window? -- regards, jr. time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] OT (ish): Accessing a SparcStation remotely with a graphical interface from a Windows Box
Hi Terry, 6. In your telnet session type, DISPLAY=windows_hostname_or_ip_address:0.0 7. In your telnet session type, export DISPLAY ... I'm OK until I get to step 6, when I get a 'Command not recognised' error. Is sending that command via the telnet session causing the problem or am I missing something else? You probably have a C shell on the Sun. Replace 6 and 7 with setenv DISPLAY windows_hostname_or_ip_address:0.0 Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] OT (ish): Accessing a SparcStation remotely with a graphical interface from a Windows Box
On 11 October 2010 at 15:04 Ralph Corderoy ra...@inputplus.co.uk wrote: Hi Terry, 6. In your telnet session type, DISPLAY=windows_hostname_or_ip_address:0.0 7. In your telnet session type, export DISPLAY ... I'm OK until I get to step 6, when I get a 'Command not recognised' error. Is sending that command via the telnet session causing the problem or am I missing something else? You probably have a C shell on the Sun. Replace 6 and 7 with setenv DISPLAY windows_hostname_or_ip_address:0.0Excellent! A step forward. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an export command in the csh. According to the man page it is available in sh and ksh, but not csh. Any idea how I do the last step? Terry -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] WTH?
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:20:11AM +0100, Robert Bronsdon wrote: It would help if Ubuntu moves over to the open source Nvidia driver (nouveau) which supports multiple monitors better than the Binary driver from Nvidia. Except then people would lose their wobbly windows! Ohnoes!! -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] OT (ish): Accessing a SparcStation remotely with a graphical interface from a Windows Box
On 11 October 2010 at 15:50 John Cooper l...@discoverlinux.co.uk wrote: On 11/10/10 15:23, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk wrote: Excellent! A step forward. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an export command in the csh. According to the man page it is available in sh and ksh, but not csh. Any idea how I do the last step? setenv will automatically export the variable. Easy check, just do echo $DISPLAY and it should say ip_address:0.0 if black, it hasn't set it. you could always fall back to standard shell by typing sh and using the DISPLAY= and export commands Thanks. I've now got that far, but still no graphical display at the PC end when I run my script. I don't suppose that there is any reason why the SparcServer wouldn't do this? Could it have been set up originally to prevent remote graphical working? In use, this device is normally part of an ATE system and has a monitor permanently connected so remote logins wouldn't normally be needed. The most remoteness we've ever had before is the use of FTP to transfer files to and from the machine (and we only did that because it was easier than writing to a suitable removable media). Terry -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] WTH?
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:54:37 +0100, John Carlyle-Clarke j...@wormdrive.net wrote: Except then people would lose their wobbly windows! Ohnoes!! Gallium shout stop that being a problem ;) The people that would complain are those trying to game via. wine. The 3D support is still much slower than the Nvidia blob (to be expected). -- Robert Bronsdon -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] WTH?
On Sunday 10 Oct 2010, Simon O'Riordan wrote: Terry - my Netbook version specified a network connection in the install dialogue. It automatically hacked the B43 and I had nothing to do once I pulled the Ethernet out. AIR the Kubuntu installer didn't say anything about plugging in a network cable, so we had no internet access until I plugged one in after the first boot-up. I noticed that the installer takes advantage of network availability if it's there and does the online updates as part of the installation, but if it suggested a wired connection in the absence of Wi-Fi, we didn't notice. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] WTH?
AIR the Kubuntu installer didn't say anything about plugging in a network cable, so we had no internet access until I plugged one in after the first boot-up. I noticed that the installer takes advantage of network availability if it's there and does the online updates as part of the installation, but if it suggested a wired connection in the absence of Wi-Fi, we didn't notice. Nothing specific about a wire, but it asked for network so I plugged one in. It was out of its box already due to my wireless issues on the attempted upgrade run. Simono -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] WTH?
On Monday 11 Oct 2010, John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:20:11AM +0100, Robert Bronsdon wrote: It would help if Ubuntu moves over to the open source Nvidia driver (nouveau) which supports multiple monitors better than the Binary driver from Nvidia. Except then people would lose their wobbly windows! Ohnoes!! I didn't notice until this thread that I'm running noveau on this machine. Some of the Desktop Effects seem to work OK (eg the mouse gestures and sliding desktops, which I use), but wobbly windows and the cube are disabled. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] WTH?
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 17:27 +0100, Bryn Jones wrote: I'm not overly in love with Unity But then I was starting to get irritable about the previous interface (I've installed Mepis as well to have a play with) My netbook squeaked about not finding Unity at all, just once. Now I have a perfectly usable improved standard interface. Happy. Mepis? Lovely interface. Fiddly at startup. Love the steel ring clock animation. Doesn't seem to do development IDEs very well. WebCams only work with Skype, but it does good Skype. Enjoy. Simono -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
[Dorset] Evolution mail settings....
Hi, Does anyone know where these are hidden (other than the GUI)... I'm being driven slowly insane trying to change the polling time where I can't see the OK button. Dear Canonical, Lets talk about scaling shall we?. Cheers Bryn -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Evolution mail settings....
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:57:02 +0100, Bryn Jones bryn.jon...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Canonical, Lets talk about scaling shall we?. Is this a problem where the resolution is being picked up wrong or where the window is running off screen. If your resolution is set wrong then that should be the fist fix. -- Robert Bronsdon -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Evolution mail settings....
Sorted it /stupidmode off On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 21:57 +0100, Bryn Jones wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where these are hidden (other than the GUI)... I'm being driven slowly insane trying to change the polling time where I can't see the OK button. Dear Canonical, Lets talk about scaling shall we?. Cheers Bryn -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Evolution mail settings....
On 11/10/10 22:10, Bryn Jones wrote: The resolution is fine Just the window running off screen In Ubuntu/Gnome there are some useful mouse + keyboard combinations: Alt + left button to move a window, Alt + middle button to resize a window. -- Andrew. -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] OT (ish): Accessing a SparcStation remotely with a graphical interface from a Windows Box
Hi Terry, http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ is one Windows X server, and I tend to use xclock(1) as a simple test X client. You may want to make sure it will display OK when sitting at the SparcStation's screen before using it to test connecting to a remote X server. X is running on the SparcStation and is used for a number of things, including the dialog boxes used for our scripts. I don't doubt it, but I'm trying to establish that xclock(1) works when sitting at the Sparc so we can use it as a test X client when trying to make it display on the PC. :-) So you need to sit at the Sparc, log in to an X environment and type xclock in a terminal window. Does a clock appear? Closing the window should give you the next shell prompt. 6. In your telnet session type, DISPLAY=windows_hostname_or_ip_address:0.0 7. In your telnet session type, export DISPLAY ... I'm OK until I get to step 6, when I get a 'Command not recognised' error. Is sending that command via the telnet session causing the problem or am I missing something else? You probably have a C shell on the Sun. Replace 6 and 7 with    setenv DISPLAY windows_hostname_or_ip_address:0.0 Excellent! A step forward. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an export command in the csh. There isn't. But the export DISPLAY is step 7 and I said 6 and 7. :-) According to the man page it is available in sh and ksh, but not csh. Any idea how I do the last step? To set an environment variable in sh is FOO=bar export FOO and in csh it's setenv FOO bar so no extra step is required. Thanks. I've now got that far, but still no graphical display at the PC end when I run my script. I don't suppose that there is any reason why the SparcServer wouldn't do this? Could it have been set up originally to prevent remote graphical working? In use, this device is normally part of an ATE system and has a monitor permanently connected so remote logins wouldn't normally be needed. Please stop using your in-house script. I know it's what you want to get working but we can't trust its diagnostics when something doesn't go to plan. That's why xclock, a simple X client, is useful. So try stages 1-5 as Cygwin suggested before, then the setenv instead of 6 and 7, and then xclock having already tried it sitting at the Sparc as described above. If it appears on the PC, perhaps within the X server's root window rather than in its own window then you can run X clients on the Sparc and display them on the PC. You test script should work too. If not, what happens exactly? There may be a one line error, e.g. connection refused. The output of telnet 192.168.1.42 6000 on the Sparc, substituting the PC's real IP address, may also be useful. That's trying to connect to the TCP port 6000 which is the port an X server for display 0 will listen on. When you set DISPLAY to ...:0 you're specifying display 0. :1 would be display 1, TCP port 6001, and so on. If telnet says it's connected then you can't do anything useful other than kill it but it does show that something's is listening on that port on the PC and you can get to it. It could be the Cygwin X server that you've gone with doesn't listen for connections from X clients on network interfaces by default, perhaps for security, but I doubt it given their instructions you quoted. Is it possible that your corporate LAN configuration is blocking TCP port traffic around 6000? Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-11-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
