Re: [Dorset] Nokia announcement
On Friday 11 Feb 2011, Natalie Hooper wrote: > As for Nokia's decision, it is going to have a major impact on the future > of the industry - either it is going to sink Nokia completely or it is > going to establish Windows Mobile 7 as a serious contender. Seen this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/feb/16/nokia-windows-phone- microsoft-delay Knowing Microsoft's past performance, Windows Phone 8 will be delayed, will have features removed so they can stuff it out of the door and be so full of bugs that it'll take them until SP2 to get anything remotely usable. If that happens in less than 12 months I'll eat my 3 inch Tux! I don't think MS could have found a better way sink Nokia if they'd tried. (Maybe they did. Try that is.) -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Flash Player Plugin
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 19:49 +, Peter Merchant wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 18:26 +, C A Wills wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Terry > > > > Sorry duff info, it was in the Tools/Add-ons/Plug-ins. Firefox, yes. I > > highlighted the Flash pug-in and checked the update, it's now showing > > updated from 9x to 10x. > > That was no the laptop, same thing on desktop but that's got the Adobe > > plug-in. > > Hope that's more help! > > > > Clive Wills > > I have shockwave flash 10.2 r152 on firefox/kubuntu and everything works > ok. I tried to check for updates, but that failed. > > Peter > > > > -- > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 > Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ > How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue Terry, here how things cross paths... I am using firefox 3.6.13 on Kubuntu 10.10 -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Flash Player Plugin
On Friday 18 Feb 2011, Terry Coles wrote: > I ran the command 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' from the page > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications. It appeared to > install something, but it still doesn't work. I just uninstalled everything Flash and reinstalled the Adobe plugin and it works. Obviously something was conflicting somewhere. Thanks for the help. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Flash Player Plugin
On Friday 18 Feb 2011, Peter Merchant wrote: > I have shockwave flash 10.2 r152 on firefox/kubuntu and everything works > ok. I tried to check for updates, but that failed. Mine says it's Adobe 10.2.152.27ubuntu0.10.10.1. That isn't working. I ran the command 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' from the page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications. It appeared to install something, but it still doesn't work. The trouble is that I have used this machine to watch video for a while, so I can't make any connections. I don't recall if any of the routine patches recently affected Firefox or Flash. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Flash Player Plugin
On Friday 18 Feb 2011, C A Wills wrote: > On 18/02/11 13:54, Terry Coles wrote: > > I don't even seem to *have* a plugin for Flash in the Add-ons Window. I > > have the Flash plugin installed through the Package Manager, but it > > doesn't show up in the browser settings. > > > > I assume you're referring to Firefox? > Sorry duff info, it was in the Tools/Add-ons/Plug-ins. Firefox, yes. I > highlighted the Flash pug-in and checked the update, it's now showing > updated from 9x to 10x. > That was no the laptop, same thing on desktop but that's got the Adobe > plug-in. > Hope that's more help! Only to confirm I was looking in the right place. I don't have a Flash pug-in in there. What version of Firefox are you running (I have 3.6.13) and what distro (I have Kubuntu 10.10)? -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] disk problems
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:55:27 +, ra...@inputplus.co.uk said: > Easier, true, but I wanted more accuracy that /usr/bin/time or bash's > time would give. :-) Bash's 'time' command resolves to thousandths of a second. I would imagine that saccadic suppression would make more accurate measurement meaningless! -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Flash Player Plugin
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 18:26 +, C A Wills wrote: > > > > Hi Terry > > Sorry duff info, it was in the Tools/Add-ons/Plug-ins. Firefox, yes. I > highlighted the Flash pug-in and checked the update, it's now showing > updated from 9x to 10x. > That was no the laptop, same thing on desktop but that's got the Adobe > plug-in. > Hope that's more help! > > Clive Wills I have shockwave flash 10.2 r152 on firefox/kubuntu and everything works ok. I tried to check for updates, but that failed. Peter -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] disk problems
Hi Keith, > > $ sudo true; foo; sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb >$N; foo > > 31.142709016 > > 35.482519853 > > Next time: > > $ time sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb > > Much easier! Easier, true, but I wanted more accuracy that /usr/bin/time or bash's time would give. :-) Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] disk problems
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:39:37 +, ra...@inputplus.co.uk said:
> $ foo() { date +%S.%N; }
> $ sudo true; foo; sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb >$N; foo
> 31.142709016
> 35.482519853
> $ e 35.482519853 - 31.142709016
> 4.339810837
> $
Next time:
$ time sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
Much easier!
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Re: [Dorset] Flash Player Plugin
On 18/02/11 13:54, Terry Coles wrote: On Thursday 17 Feb 2011, C A Wills wrote: I had the same problem earlier this week, I went to Add-ons and highlighted Flash reader and requested an update. It seemed to work after login out and back in. Hope this helps (also got similar problem on friends Win7 Notebook, upgraded Adobe and all was fine). I don't even seem to *have* a plugin for Flash in the Add-ons Window. I have the Flash plugin installed through the Package Manager, but it doesn't show up in the browser settings. I assume you're referring to Firefox? Hi Terry Sorry duff info, it was in the Tools/Add-ons/Plug-ins. Firefox, yes. I highlighted the Flash pug-in and checked the update, it's now showing updated from 9x to 10x. That was no the laptop, same thing on desktop but that's got the Adobe plug-in. Hope that's more help! Clive Wills -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Flash Player Plugin
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 20:52 +, C A Wills wrote: > Terry > > I had the same problem earlier this week, I went to Add-ons and > highlighted Flash reader and requested an update. It seemed to work > after login out and back in. > Hope this helps (also got similar problem on friends Win7 Notebook, > upgraded Adobe and all was fine). > > C A Wills > > On 17/02/11 17:25, Terry Coles wrote: > > Has anyone else noticed that their Flash Player plugin has stopped working? > > I > > was trying to view a video on a site the other day and I got a message to > > say > > that I needed to install the Flash Player plugin. At the time I put it down > > to a broken site, but today I've realised that Flash video is no longer > > working for me on any site. > > > > YouTube tells me 'You need to upgrade your Adobe Flash Player to watch this > > video'. The CNN website has just said that the 'feature is optimised for > > Adobe Flash Player Version 9 or above'. Other sites give more of the same. > > > > According to Kubuntu's Package Manager, I have Flash Plugin V10.2 and the > > problem occurs with Firefox, Chrome and Konquerer. I run NoScript in > > Firefox, > > but turning that off doesn't help. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > -- > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 > Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ > How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue I'm running Version 10.2.152.7 ubuntu without an y problems. Peter Harris. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] disk problems
On Friday, February 18, 2011 02:27:43 pm jr wrote: > On 18 February 2011 14:09, Andrew Reid Paterson > > wrote: > > So, I will now wait & see what haappens. > > those settings (probably) won't survive a reboot, you might want to > add a small script to your system start. Funny you should say that! - I just discovered that and added them to my rc.local Thanks Andy -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] disk problems
On 18 February 2011 14:09, Andrew Reid Paterson wrote: > > So, I will now wait & see what haappens. those settings (probably) won't survive a reboot, you might want to add a small script to your system start. -- regards, jr. time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] disk problems
On Friday, February 18, 2011 12:39:37 pm Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> > What kind of spin-up times do you think are normal for a modern
> > hard-drive then?
>
> Second or two? Purely from very limited experience. Have just timed
> this very old 20GB PATA drive.
>
> $ foo() { date +%S.%N; }
> $ sudo true; foo; sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb >$N; foo
> 31.142709016
> 35.482519853
> $ e 35.482519853 - 31.142709016
> 4.339810837
> $
>
> So that's quite a bit slower.
>
> There are a few SMART stats with spin in their name, including apparent
> spin up time.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#Known_ATA_S.M.A.R.T._attributes
>
> Cheers,
> Ralph.
>
>
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Hi again Ralph,
I have found :
http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~greg/projects/erc/
Which talks about a solution (back in 2009 - a patch to smartctl).
I assumed ;) the patch is included in the FC14 smartctl and tried it :
# smartctl -d sat -l scterc /dev/sdb
smartctl 5.40 2010-10-16 r3189 [i386-redhat-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
SCT Error Recovery Control:
Read: Disabled
Write: Disabled
# smartctl -l scterc,70,70 /dev/sdc
smartctl 5.40 2010-10-16 r3189 [i386-redhat-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
SCT Error Recovery Control:
Read: 70 (7.0 seconds)
Write: 70 (7.0 seconds)
-
# smartctl -d sat -l scterc /dev/sdb
smartctl 5.40 2010-10-16 r3189 [i386-redhat-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
SCT Error Recovery Control:
Read: 70 (7.0 seconds)
Write: 70 (7.0 seconds)
-
So, I will now wait & see what haappens.
Regards
Andy
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Re: [Dorset] Flash Player Plugin
On Thursday 17 Feb 2011, C A Wills wrote: > I had the same problem earlier this week, I went to Add-ons and > highlighted Flash reader and requested an update. It seemed to work > after login out and back in. > Hope this helps (also got similar problem on friends Win7 Notebook, > upgraded Adobe and all was fine). I don't even seem to *have* a plugin for Flash in the Add-ons Window. I have the Flash plugin installed through the Package Manager, but it doesn't show up in the browser settings. I assume you're referring to Firefox? -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] disk problems
On Friday, February 18, 2011 12:39:37 pm Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> > What kind of spin-up times do you think are normal for a modern
> > hard-drive then?
>
> Second or two? Purely from very limited experience. Have just timed
> this very old 20GB PATA drive.
>
> $ foo() { date +%S.%N; }
> $ sudo true; foo; sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb >$N; foo
> 31.142709016
> 35.482519853
> $ e 35.482519853 - 31.142709016
> 4.339810837
> $
>
> So that's quite a bit slower.
>
> There are a few SMART stats with spin in their name, including apparent
> spin up time.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#Known_ATA_S.M.A.R.T._attributes
>
> Cheers,
> Ralph.
>
>
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Hi Ralph,
this is what made me raise an eyeborw:
>From the Western Digital website:
Western Digital manufactures desktop edition hard drives and RAID Edition hard
drives. Each type of hard drive is designed to work specifically in either a
desktop computer environment or a demanding enterprise environment.
If you install and use a desktop edition hard drive connected to a RAID
controller, the drive may not work correctly unless jointly qualified by an
enterprise OEM. This is caused by the normal error recovery procedure that a
desktop edition hard drive uses.
When an error is found on a desktop edition hard drive, the drive will enter
into a deep recovery cycle to attempt to repair the error, recover the data
from the problematic area, and then reallocate a dedicated area to replace the
problematic area. This process can take up to 2 minutes depending on the
severity of the issue. Most RAID controllers allow a very short amount of time
for a hard drive to recover from an error. If a hard drive takes too long to
complete this process, the drive will be dropped from the RAID array. Most
RAID controllers allow from 7 to 15 seconds for error recovery before dropping
a hard drive from an array. Western Digital does not recommend installing
desktop edition hard drives in an enterprise environment (on a RAID
controller).
Western Digital RAID edition hard drives have a feature called TLER (Time
Limited Error Recovery) which stops the hard drive from entering into a deep
recovery cycle. The hard drive will only spend 7 seconds to attempt to
recover. This means that the hard drive will not be dropped from a RAID array.
Though TLER is designed for RAID environments, it is fully compatible and will
not be detrimental when used in non-RAID environments.
My new drives are labelled "Desktop Drives".
However as I say, I have had no problems so far & maybe my next electricity
bill will be tiny ;)
Regards
Andy
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Re: [Dorset] disk problems
Hi Andrew,
> What kind of spin-up times do you think are normal for a modern
> hard-drive then?
Second or two? Purely from very limited experience. Have just timed
this very old 20GB PATA drive.
$ foo() { date +%S.%N; }
$ sudo true; foo; sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb >$N; foo
31.142709016
35.482519853
$ e 35.482519853 - 31.142709016
4.339810837
$
So that's quite a bit slower.
There are a few SMART stats with spin in their name, including apparent
spin up time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#Known_ATA_S.M.A.R.T._attributes
Cheers,
Ralph.
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Re: [Dorset] disk problems
On Friday, February 18, 2011 08:43:43 am Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > > After spending days(!) fscking and trying to decode all kinds of stuff > > I stepped back and saw the light - I MUST have a duff disk. > > `smartctl -a /dev/sda' can be useful to get the drive's own stats on how > things are going. (Does fsck(8) still only check a filesystem's > metadata?) smartctl(8) can, I think, be used to get the drive to do > some non-destructive tests on all sectors. May be something to try now > you've nothing to risk losing from them, although I don't know how well > the SMART commands work through non-[PS]ATA interfaces. > > > I therefore went out and replaced BOTH disks (which were Hitachi > > Desktar 200GB IDE units which on extracting them I find are dated 2005 > > (so fair enough!). > > Post IBM's Deathstar then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Deathstar > ;-) > > > "The "green" credentials of the new disks will mean they will power > > down after (20? secs) of inactivity and take too long to power up > > causing linux Raid to fail a disk and detach it." !!! > > hdparm(8) has options, e.g -S (capital), to control aspects like idle > spin-down time; perhaps that can help. I didn't realise any modern > drives took too long to spin up though. > > Cheers, > Ralph. > > > -- > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 > Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ > How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue Hi Ralph, I recall I did try probing the disk with smartctl before I replaced it, but the counts it returned said it was all good (i.e. all fail caounts were zero). Interestingly if I now try to run smartctl on the old disk (connected by my external IDE/USB connector) - appearing as /dev/sde, I get : -- smartctl -a /dev/sde smartctl 5.40 2010-10-16 r3189 [i386-redhat-linux-gnu] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net /dev/sde: Unsupported USB bridge [0x04cf:0x8818 (0xb008)] Smartctl: please specify device type with the -d option. Use smartctl -h to get a usage summary -- Which I have to say - is a understandable but a disappointment! You are prob right about spin-up (It could be that the notes I came across on an internet search were not that accurate). I understood that "Green" drives try to hide the fact that they are "spun- down" (presumably with huge buffers?) and even (according to what I have read) dont log their spin-downs for things like smartctl to get at - i have seen a few angry comments about that. What kind of spin-up times do you think are normal for a modern hard-drive then? Andy -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] disk problems
On Friday, February 18, 2011 07:52:30 am Keith Edmunds wrote: > On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:59:22 +, andy.pater...@ntlworld.com said: > > Then Nokia puts a spoke in the works and effectively indicates that > > continuing learning QT will be a waste of t!me > > I think you're extrapolating considerably more than was announced. I very > much doubt Qt is going to disappear. > > -- > Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 > Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ > How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue I hope you are right Keith - I really hope you are right! Andy -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] disk problems
Hi Andrew, > After spending days(!) fscking and trying to decode all kinds of stuff > I stepped back and saw the light - I MUST have a duff disk. `smartctl -a /dev/sda' can be useful to get the drive's own stats on how things are going. (Does fsck(8) still only check a filesystem's metadata?) smartctl(8) can, I think, be used to get the drive to do some non-destructive tests on all sectors. May be something to try now you've nothing to risk losing from them, although I don't know how well the SMART commands work through non-[PS]ATA interfaces. > I therefore went out and replaced BOTH disks (which were Hitachi > Desktar 200GB IDE units which on extracting them I find are dated 2005 > (so fair enough!). Post IBM's Deathstar then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Deathstar ;-) > "The "green" credentials of the new disks will mean they will power > down after (20? secs) of inactivity and take too long to power up > causing linux Raid to fail a disk and detach it." !!! hdparm(8) has options, e.g -S (capital), to control aspects like idle spin-down time; perhaps that can help. I didn't realise any modern drives took too long to spin up though. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Wednesday 2011-03-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
