Re: [Dorset] OT: Keeping costs down

2022-08-29 Thread Ian Morris via dorset
So I just boiled my kettle (500ml, fresh from tap). Mains here = 242 
volts, Kettle takes 12.3 A (pretty much constant) Power taken = 0.055kWh 
(so pretty close to my calculation!) I allowed the kettle to trip using 
the steam generated by the then boiling water (so addressing both the 
loss and latent heat aspects of the question.)


On 29/08/2022 12:28, Peter Merchant via dorset wrote:
I had considered that, but it's so long ago in my ancient past that I 
studied thermodynamics, I didn't look into calculating it. My concern 
about it is the cost of raising the temperature to 100 deg, then the 
latent heat of vaporisation to actually boil it.


Peter M.   [ Applies to any form of boiling water of course. ]

n 29/08/2022 11:31, Ian Morris via dorset wrote:
500ml of water = 500g water.  let's assume you want to go from 20-100 
C => increase of 80C

Specific heat capacity of water = 4.184 J/g-K
=> 167,360 J = 0.0465 kWh Electricity @27p/kWh = 1.2552p

So rather similar (OK, I don't know efficiency of electric kettle 
... but heating elements are 100% efficient... sure there will be 
some losses to both the kettle and the wider environment, but i doubt 
somehow that they are huge) Of course this is about cost for the 
consumer ... I'm totally ignoring the ineffeciency of turning gas 
into electricity and transmitting it around the country in the first 
place.



On 29/08/2022 09:33, Peter Merchant wrote:
I was curious, so I took the water from the kettle and put it in a 
pot on the stove. It was very close to 500ml.


Watching the gas meter while it boiled it used 0.014 m(cubed) of gas, 
which converted to 0.15788Kwh and at my current rate of 7.123p/Kwh 
cost me 1.1.25p to boil up.


Unfortunately I can't see my electricity meter easily to see what it 
costs me to boil that amount in the kettle or by Microwave. Does 
anybody have that facility?  And also there is always other 
electricity being used.


Cheers,

Peter







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Re: [Dorset] OT: Keeping costs down

2022-08-29 Thread Ian Morris via dorset
500ml of water = 500g water.  let's assume you want to go from 20-100 C 
=> increase of 80C

Specific heat capacity of water = 4.184 J/g-K
=> 167,360 J = 0.0465 kWh Electricity @27p/kWh = 1.2552p

So rather similar (OK, I don't know efficiency of electric kettle 
... but heating elements are 100% efficient... sure there will be some 
losses to both the kettle and the wider environment, but i doubt somehow 
that they are huge) Of course this is about cost for the consumer 
... I'm totally ignoring the ineffeciency of turning gas into 
electricity and transmitting it around the country in the first place.



On 29/08/2022 09:33, Peter Merchant wrote:
I was curious, so I took the water from the kettle and put it in a pot 
on the stove. It was very close to 500ml.


Watching the gas meter while it boiled it used 0.014 m(cubed) of gas, 
which converted to 0.15788Kwh and at my current rate of 7.123p/Kwh cost 
me 1.1.25p to boil up.


Unfortunately I can't see my electricity meter easily to see what it 
costs me to boil that amount in the kettle or by Microwave. Does anybody 
have that facility?  And also there is always other electricity being used.


Cheers,

Peter


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