Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
On 19/07/16 16:42, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: Known problem. Sort of a indexing thundering herd problem. Preferences -> Advanced -> Config Editor, set mail.db.idlelimit to a large number. I set it to 3000. Fixed it for me.. Mike. If you're using a Thunderbird version > 38 then you don't need to make this change, it is to do with reducing auto closing mail folders and opening them again (which is CPU intensive). If you are using a version > 38 then you should retain the default value to mail.db.idle_limit. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
Please do NOT send to me directly, I am on the list. Anyone who wishes direct responses should say so by setting explicit Reply-To. On 7/19/2016 11:42 AM, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > On 18/07/16 11:46, Stephan Bosch wrote: >> >> >> Op 16-7-2016 om 18:12 schreef Charles Marcus: >>> >>> On July 16, 2016 4:02:33 AM EDT, Spyros Tsiolis >>> wrote: Since I have quite some experiece with thunderbird, I know most of its shortcomings >>> Care to elaborate? Thunderbird is far from perfect, but is by far the >>> best IMAP client available. >>> >>> Most times you can work around supposed short comings (if what you >>> think are short comings actually are, often they are not)... >> >> I agree. I haven't seen anything better so far. Still, with my 100+ >> folders it regularly hangs for a few seconds while it is presumably >> doing stuff in the background. So, for example composing a message is >> often a frustrating activity. This is enough reason for me to look for >> an alternative client, but there is no real alternative... > > Known problem. Sort of a indexing thundering herd problem. > > Preferences -> Advanced -> Config Editor, set mail.db.idlelimit to a > large number. I set it to 3000. Fixed it for me.. > > Mike. >
Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
On 18/07/16 11:46, Stephan Bosch wrote: > > > Op 16-7-2016 om 18:12 schreef Charles Marcus: >> >> On July 16, 2016 4:02:33 AM EDT, Spyros Tsiolis >> wrote: >>> Since I have quite some experiece with thunderbird, I know most of >>> its shortcomings >> Care to elaborate? Thunderbird is far from perfect, but is by far the >> best IMAP client available. >> >> Most times you can work around supposed short comings (if what you >> think are short comings actually are, often they are not)... > > I agree. I haven't seen anything better so far. Still, with my 100+ > folders it regularly hangs for a few seconds while it is presumably > doing stuff in the background. So, for example composing a message is > often a frustrating activity. This is enough reason for me to look for > an alternative client, but there is no real alternative... Known problem. Sort of a indexing thundering herd problem. Preferences -> Advanced -> Config Editor, set mail.db.idlelimit to a large number. I set it to 3000. Fixed it for me.. Mike.
Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 07:27:15 -0700, Dave Stevens stated: >On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:02:33 + (UTC) >Spyros Tsiolis wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> For some years now, I've been using Thunderbird for dovecot. >> I am not very satisfied with t/b so I thought of using m/s outlook >> but then I thought that I want to distance my clients from office >> products. >> >> I have a newly created dovecot installation on a very small site. >> Three nodes, all x86 Windows 7 professional with an ubuntu v14.04 >> server (x86 again) running dovecot 1.2.17. >> >> The clients there use dovecot as an imap server, so they have a >> real-world e-mail account each and whatever they want to keep , they >> store by gradding-and-dropping to the imap (local / archive) account. >> >> Since I have quite some experiece with thunderbird, I know most of >> its shortcomings; So I thought if there's an alternative (better?) >> imap mail client for x86 windows 7 systems than t/b. >> >> Even better if there's an alternative client that is also supporeted >> under linux . >> >> Any ideas are welcome, >> >> TIA, >> >> s.t. > >I use Claws and like it a lot. Has plugins for extensions, very fast to >work with. > >Dave I like "claws-mail" also; however, it does have some particular quirks. The most annoying one is that it is not a fully "multi-threaded" application. This can make it extremely annoying when sending or receiving mail. -- Jerry
Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
Op 16-7-2016 om 18:12 schreef Charles Marcus: On July 16, 2016 4:02:33 AM EDT, Spyros Tsiolis wrote: Since I have quite some experiece with thunderbird, I know most of its shortcomings Care to elaborate? Thunderbird is far from perfect, but is by far the best IMAP client available. Most times you can work around supposed short comings (if what you think are short comings actually are, often they are not)... I agree. I haven't seen anything better so far. Still, with my 100+ folders it regularly hangs for a few seconds while it is presumably doing stuff in the background. So, for example composing a message is often a frustrating activity. This is enough reason for me to look for an alternative client, but there is no real alternative... Regards, Stephan.
Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
Am 2016-07-16 10:02, schrieb Spyros Tsiolis: For some years now, I've been using Thunderbird for dovecot. I am not very satisfied with t/b so I thought of using m/s outlook but then I thought that I want to distance my clients from office products. The last somewhat usable Outlook version with IMAP is 2010, period. All versions after that have been crippled on IMAP by Microsoft on purpose. All versions >= 2013 don't support the header only download of an email anymore, have crappy auto detection of standard folders like trash etc., and will always try to sync all mails to their local mail storage. Also mail check is quite unstable, bugged and quite slow. In short: nothing you want to use with IMAP. I have a newly created dovecot installation on a very small site. Three nodes, all x86 Windows 7 professional with an ubuntu v14.04 server (x86 again) running dovecot 1.2.17. Dovecot 1.2.X is ancient. You should really consider upgrading to the recent version! Since I have quite some experiece with thunderbird, I know most of its shortcomings; So I thought if there's an alternative (better?) imap mail client for x86 windows 7 systems than t/b. emClient, maybe.
Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
Hmmm, one thing to perhaps try first is upgrading your software. You mentioned that your dovecot is version 1.2.17. I'm running 2.2.15 (which is also older. Current version is 2.2.25). I know there were major changes between version 1.x and 2.x. Your Ubuntu is 14.04 which is 2 released old, now at 16.04 (I'm running 15.10). I do have 16.04 booting with x86, but I haven't yet installed it. You didn't mention your Thunderbird version, but I'm guessing they are similarly dated. My Ubuntu Tbird is 38.8.0 and my Win7 is 45.2.0. It could be your older versions of things don't support what you want. My dovecot server is Slackware64 14.1. One of the users has over 1400 mail folders and 7.2G of IMAP space. She has had no problems with Thunderbird. All of our WIN7 workstations are x64, so perhaps there are issues with x86 version of dovecot/Thunderbird. --Mark -Original Message- > Subject: Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ? > To: dovecot@dovecot.org > From: Kenneth Porter > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 16:52:08 -0700 > On 7/16/2016 10:22 AM, Mark Foley wrote: > > I concur with Charles Marcus' query: can you elaborate on how Thunderbird > > is failing for you? > > I run Thunderbird and Mulberry side-by-side, as there are features in > Mulberry I don't want to give up, even though it's old and buggy. I've > noticed that Mulberry finds folders in my huge hierarchy (100's of > folders) that Tbird misses. Notably my SpamAssassin folder, and it's > consistent across several accounts I monitor. Both programs are set to > scan all IMAP folders. It's not just because the SA folder is flagged as > an additional Junk folder. I've got other folders that Tbird misses. > Most receive automated server mail from Linux services (such as > logwatch). I haven't been able to find a pattern. >
Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
On 7/16/2016 10:22 AM, Mark Foley wrote: I concur with Charles Marcus' query: can you elaborate on how Thunderbird is failing for you? I run Thunderbird and Mulberry side-by-side, as there are features in Mulberry I don't want to give up, even though it's old and buggy. I've noticed that Mulberry finds folders in my huge hierarchy (100's of folders) that Tbird misses. Notably my SpamAssassin folder, and it's consistent across several accounts I monitor. Both programs are set to scan all IMAP folders. It's not just because the SA folder is flagged as an additional Junk folder. I've got other folders that Tbird misses. Most receive automated server mail from Linux services (such as logwatch). I haven't been able to find a pattern.
Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
Wow! That's interesting. Our office of 10+ Windows 7 *and* Ubuntu workstations have been moving from Outlook to Thunderbird over the past year. Our users find it WAY BETTER than Outlook. Have you actually tried Outlook 2013 and later? The suckiness of 2013 was what drove us to look elsewere in the first place. We tried a number of clients including Evolution and emClient and Tbird proved the best in my testing. Thunderbird runs on both Windows and Ubuntu, can do AD authentication and basically has all the features of Outlook including color categories which our director could not live without; and can be configured to have a very similar look-and-feel as Outlook. In over a year of running Thunderbird (currently at 38.8.0 Ubuntu, 45.2.0 Window) it has performed flawlessly. I concur with Charles Marcus' query: can you elaborate on how Thunderbird is failing for you? --Mark -Original Message- > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:02:33 + (UTC) > From: Spyros Tsiolis > To: Dovecot > Subject: an e-mail client for dovecot ? > > Hello all, > > For some years now, I've been using Thunderbird for dovecot. > I am not very satisfied with t/b so I thought of using m/s outlook > but then I thought that I want to distance my clients from office > products. > > I have a newly created dovecot installation on a very small site. > Three nodes, all x86 Windows 7 professional with an ubuntu v14.04 > server (x86 again) running dovecot 1.2.17. > > The clients there use dovecot as an imap server, so they have a > real-world e-mail account each and whatever they want to keep , they > store by gradding-and-dropping to the imap (local / archive) account. > > Since I have quite some experiece with thunderbird, I know most of > its shortcomings; So I thought if there's an alternative (better?) > imap mail client for x86 windows 7 systems than t/b. > > Even better if there's an alternative client that is also supporeted under > linux . > > Any ideas are welcome, > > TIA, > > s.t. >
Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
On July 16, 2016 4:02:33 AM EDT, Spyros Tsiolis wrote: >Since I have quite some experiece with thunderbird, I know most of >its shortcomings Care to elaborate? Thunderbird is far from perfect, but is by far the best IMAP client available. Most times you can work around supposed short comings (if what you think are short comings actually are, often they are not)... -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: an e-mail client for dovecot ?
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:02:33 + (UTC) Spyros Tsiolis wrote: > Hello all, > > For some years now, I've been using Thunderbird for dovecot. > I am not very satisfied with t/b so I thought of using m/s outlook > but then I thought that I want to distance my clients from office > products. > > I have a newly created dovecot installation on a very small site. > Three nodes, all x86 Windows 7 professional with an ubuntu v14.04 > server (x86 again) running dovecot 1.2.17. > > The clients there use dovecot as an imap server, so they have a > real-world e-mail account each and whatever they want to keep , they > store by gradding-and-dropping to the imap (local / archive) account. > > Since I have quite some experiece with thunderbird, I know most of > its shortcomings; So I thought if there's an alternative (better?) > imap mail client for x86 windows 7 systems than t/b. > > Even better if there's an alternative client that is also supporeted > under linux . > > Any ideas are welcome, > > TIA, > > s.t. I use Claws and like it a lot. Has plugins for extensions, very fast to work with. Dave -- Reporter to Mahatma Ghandi after his tour of east London "What do you think of western civilization, Mr. Ghandi?" Ghandi - "I think it would be an excellent idea!"
