Re: [Dspace-tech] Handle Server

2007-07-28 Thread Christian Voelker
Hello,

Am 28.07.2007 um 04:14 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I'm testing the handle server system, but the start-handle-server  
 doesn't allow me to write the passphrase for my certificates.
I guess this is the same as discussed two days ago:

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=dspace- 
techstyle=threaded

Bye, Christian




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[Dspace-tech] Reply-To Header missing - list misconfigured?

2007-07-28 Thread Christian Voelker
Hello,

as I am actively following the list these days
I am slightly annoyed with the header settings
of the list. I have got the feeling that they
are misconfigured as they are. Prove me wrong
if I havent got the list policy right, but that
is how it looks to me right now.

Other *discussion* lists (as opposed to *announce-
ment* lists) I am actively participating in have
the reply-to header set to the list address.
Dspace-tech does not have a reply-to header and
the from-line is not rewritten to the list address
(and should not be). I have searched the list
archive whether this had been discussed before
and I am really astonished that I couldnt find
anything and that everybody seems to be happy.

The result of a missing reply-to header is that
you have to use the reply-all function of your
mail client to answer back to the list, which
seems unnatural. In most cases, answers seem
to be sent in private mail as implied by the
missing header.

As of my perception, this makes the list *more*
noisy as required and renders the list archive
less useful. Let me explain.

If I answer simple questions that I feel capable
to answer properly right now to help others that
start using DSpace, I sometimes get replies such
as thank you, but three others told me the same
before. So three people have spent time and
thought on helping beginners. What a waste.

These answers start to discourage me from answering
questions older then an hour or two, although I might
be one of the few people reading the list at that
time because I am living in the european time gap
between the user groups in Asia an America.

None of the three answers went to the list archive.
The same question will pop up on the list again
some days later. You cant simply point somebody
to the list archive as usual, because it does
not contain the knowledge present on the list.

If I see a disclosure triangle besides a new
post in the threaded view of my mailer, I dont
bother to answer or read a question unless I am
interested to learn about the subject myself.
Most questions seem to remain unheard though.
You dont know, whether they are or not. In some
cases, they get reposted on dspace-general, which
is the time you know that nobody took care of them.

Motivation to participate actively in a list might
be different, but sometimes philantropy and selfish-
ness come along with each other. Being visible on
the web in a list archive demonstrates a certain
level of knowledge and involvement. This could foster
a kind of competition to be the first to answer and
help every participant to get quick responses.

Last thing. When I forgot to hit reply-all, I
sometimes resend it to the list when I feel it
is worth it. Today I learned that this doesnt
cure the issue as intended. The answer is not
contained in the threaded view in the archive
then. I would have to reply with reply-all a
second time, copying the former answer to the
new message to retain the right message id.

I hope it was not too lengthy and boring. Please
tell me if I have misunderstood some basic concept
of this list.

Bye, Christian


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Re: [Dspace-tech] Reply-To Header missing - list misconfigured?

2007-07-28 Thread mfrodrigues



  Hello!

  I also found this very strange, but i never complaint because the  
Horde Webmail  has a nice feature, called Reply to List, that i use  
very often. Marcelo


  Quoting Christian Voelker [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hello,

as I am actively following the list these days
I am slightly annoyed with the header settings
of the list. I have got the feeling that they
are misconfigured as they are. Prove me wrong
if I havent got the list policy right, but that
is how it looks to me right now.

Other *discussion* lists (as opposed to *announce-
ment* lists) I am actively participating in have
the reply-to header set to the list address.
Dspace-tech does not have a reply-to header and
the from-line is not rewritten to the list address
(and should not be). I have searched the list
archive whether this had been discussed before
and I am really astonished that I couldnt find
anything and that everybody seems to be happy.

The result of a missing reply-to header is that
you have to use the reply-all function of your
mail client to answer back to the list, which
seems unnatural. In most cases, answers seem
to be sent in private mail as implied by the
missing header.

As of my perception, this makes the list *more*
noisy as required and renders the list archive
less useful. Let me explain.

If I answer simple questions that I feel capable
to answer properly right now to help others that
start using DSpace, I sometimes get replies such
as thank you, but three others told me the same
before. So three people have spent time and
thought on helping beginners. What a waste.

These answers start to discourage me from answering
questions older then an hour or two, although I might
be one of the few people reading the list at that
time because I am living in the european time gap
between the user groups in Asia an America.

None of the three answers went to the list archive.
The same question will pop up on the list again
some days later. You cant simply point somebody
to the list archive as usual, because it does
not contain the knowledge present on the list.

If I see a disclosure triangle besides a new
post in the threaded view of my mailer, I dont
bother to answer or read a question unless I am
interested to learn about the subject myself.
Most questions seem to remain unheard though.
You dont know, whether they are or not. In some
cases, they get reposted on dspace-general, which
is the time you know that nobody took care of them.

Motivation to participate actively in a list might
be different, but sometimes philantropy and selfish-
ness come along with each other. Being visible on
the web in a list archive demonstrates a certain
level of knowledge and involvement. This could foster
a kind of competition to be the first to answer and
help every participant to get quick responses.

Last thing. When I forgot to hit reply-all, I
sometimes resend it to the list when I feel it
is worth it. Today I learned that this doesnt
cure the issue as intended. The answer is not
contained in the threaded view in the archive
then. I would have to reply with reply-all a
second time, copying the former answer to the
new message to retain the right message id.

I hope it was not too lengthy and boring. Please
tell me if I have misunderstood some basic concept
of this list.

Bye, Christian


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[Dspace-tech] Handle Server - passphrase

2007-07-28 Thread mfrodrigues



  Hello!

  Thank you  Christian. I've checked previous replies regarding to  
this subject.


  The problem is that in boot time there is no way to set this  
password, but shouldn't we look for a solution, instead of removing  
this feature?


  My question is:
We could use the expect (EXPECT.nist.gov/)  to enter this password  
in a script. But since the password would be in a script, it probably  
is the same as removing the passphrase? Or is there a slight difference?


  Thanks,
Marcelo

  From: Christian Voelker [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 2007-07-26 14:21
 Am 26.07.2007 um 15:48 schrieb Inna Klimbovskaia:

I think, we somehow miss passphrase which we entered while creating   
sitebndl.zip...


So you have entered a passphrase where shouldnt have.

However, I don't see any instructions in the documentation on how   
to provide passphrase to handle server.


Thats the reason why you should not use a passphrase.
No chance to enter it at boot time. Sorry.

I dont know the steps how to remove the passphrase
but encryption uses standard algorithms and there
should be some tool around to remove the passphrase
(given that you still know it). I would search for
it in the openssl suite of tools. This would save
you from creating a new sitebundle and bothering
CNRI people. Hope, this helps.


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