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Looks to me for a first Step for a new Start.. there some real interesting new Informations But theres also always an alternative to SF. I don’t like the SF Idea cause youll need many Stuff yourself anyway. Ok it could (and should) be registered anyway But there not that much usefull tools for the project (forums unusable bugtracker can much better, slow servers and many ads) But this is just an location discussion and as we heared (and I self offered) there many possible locations for hosting stuff and theres many gpl software management (trackers, supportsystem, dorums and so) out there to host and mange this project by the ourself - the community But this isn’t the real important question. The real one is Fork or no fork. If no fork what is sn willing to do together with us (because we will do the most work for "their" product) so asking about support in some way from sn isn’t to much I guess. (and I guess this wasn’t English in any way. I am sorry I cant see the difference I just partially know the words *g*) And who is willing to do which kind of job/role in this project and who will approve that? Maybe option is isn’t a non starter if website... stays but get new management and support by sn... I think there also many possible varations of these 3 options. So lets talk about :-) PS: and im happy to started that thread... really happy to see the ongoing discussion and information and the resulted opportunities ... hey what im saying. If a program have a bug and project seems to be dead simple reactive the hole project so someone solve the bug lol) - The third alternative (SN manage the project as now) is, to me at least, a non-starter, and I hope "we" can move past that with one of the two alternatives above. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,48fcce7d150928597596905!
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Imposit.com - Webmaster kirjoitti: > First suexec for the webinterface is horrible, > Second still using files for protocol and statistics while > the userprefs are storend in mysql also not that good. > These things causes some permission problems. Good point. I just scrapped the web parts, as they felt dubious and I haven't even thought about them ever since. I do the training the way my friend suggested: let DSpam only tag mail and then use procmail to send spam to specific folder. Then I have two special folders "ThisIsSpam" and "ThisIsNotSpam" that are periodically scanned (by cron job) and any mail in them is re-trained. This is also a lot more user-friendly, as all the training and spam-double-checking can be done with the same UI, your regular mail reader. -Jari !DSPAM:1011,48f7a2af150921320450736!
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Jari sorry but that’s not really true. Im not talking about out of the box installation, and documentation is madeable by anyone. But depending which kind of installation you use (special daemon mode) there are some real issues that are not wirking for most. Theres also a lack of some major changes. First suexec for the webinterface is horrible, Second still using files for protocol and statistics while the userprefs are storend in mysql also not that good. These things causes some permission problems. So here is some kind of improvement necessary. (and there many possible solutions how to solve that) Ife also no dspam logfile with the svn version (I just get binary waste into it) And if I use the daemon in background the errormessages get transported to the foreground in the console (lol) There should be also a damon background mode for the star-stop-daemon and some fallback solutions. (messages get lost or going to the dspam user if database server is down) These are major things... It would be also good having a framework or something like that for the webui instead of an perl script. I really don’t like it from the point of security view. That we need an htaccess access is also not optimal. There better ways But no one can do a new webinterface nonper based (lets say based on java or php) without active delevopment. I know many people still loves perl but special with suexec it’s a major security thread. And were still not talking about the mostly non or badworking group support. Here many things nesecarry. Also you cannot control what groups doing and how good they working. Not systemwide. Also make no sense having a managed,shared group but having splittet historys Theres also a problem with forwarding multiple emails for trainings (with mysql signature). I asked on that list bevore but got no response so I think its really not possible (if I forward 2 emails for traing both get detected I dan see in the debug log but only one of them get accepted if someone knows something ...:-) Next thing is you’ve no real working overview (if you use spamtraps) how good theyre working . So dspam is often working as a blackbox and you can simply hope. Ok you can turn on debug but that make no real sense.. There many not ready or not really production useable even with 15 users and far not with 1500. About the license. I don’t think its that easy to fork it even in gpl. Im not an gplv2 specialist but it means not everyone can form and restart it again( I think) there some reason why some gpl projects got sold for a billion or 2 :-) And only getting the approved maintainance without be shure about the license make no sense. By all love to dspam im not willing to support a company which bought a software and wait for their users to develop it. About SOURCEFORGE Partitial maby but sourceforge have some major disadvantages. You cannot really use their forums for supporting. Their bugtracking is also not the top of the food line. There better solutions and as we can see many people wanna support. I would see it some people hosting parts of it. There many way to do that. But theres a reason why the most bigger projects are only for downloads or as an list entry at sourceforge but their project sites, tracker and forums are hosted privately Sourceforge has also many advertising. But honestly if this project get forged im shure we can easily cover all hosting costs by using own ads or simply use non... The point is the project maintainers can decide if they wanna have this while at sourceforge you have to and get only a little space on real slow server. Jari Juslin I half agree here. DSpam could use a lot more documentation and ease-of-installation,.. !DSPAM:1011,48f79da4150921566013356!
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@Hendrikx Youve got the Point. Look I think we must look for a lifesing from the original Maintainer. There might be manyreasons why the projects semms to be frozen. Maybe lack of communityresponse or whatever else. And youre right if nothing comes from there the project dspam itself is dead and maybe a fork is the solution. In any case code developers needed. Simply to help the maintainer or restart fresh... This is one absolute basic thing, that’s why im aksing about a lifesign Without that any additional help and support, any ideas and bugfixing is worthless and we can forget dspam. There some people willig to make a new php based frontend but wont help without core developers and theyre hard to find for this project (its seems to be hmm) !DSPAM:1011,48f722a8150921917292142!
