Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org to you have been bouncing]
thanks a lot. I'll forward this to central IT (which control the mail server). joerg On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 05:53:23PM +0100, Premysl Hruby wrote: On (06/03/09 17:24), Joerg van den Hoff wrote: To: dwm mail list dwm@suckless.org From: Joerg van den Hoff j.van_den_h...@fzd.de Subject: Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org to you have been bouncing] Reply-To: dwm mail list dwm@suckless.org List-Id: dwm mail list dwm.suckless.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 09:35:43AM +0100, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: On 3/5/09, Szabolcs Nagy nszabo...@gmail.com wrote: 7587 messages: Starting Wed Jul 19 2006 - 06:39:23 UTC, Ending Thu Mar 05 2009 - 08:03:46 UTC so i wonder which is the no. 7600 if there is only 7538.. 7587 (sorry) well the last one I've got ( Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:00:09 + ) reads: ==CUT== Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist dwm@suckless.org Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your information. Here is the list of the bounced messages: 7617 ==CUT== right now the archive counts 7610 mails. I presume this is updated only once a day or something? so I can wait a day or so before looking which mail bounced, but still: is there an easy way to find, e.g, message no. 4321? until a few weeks ago I've never seen such bouncing messages. it does'nt occur with any other list, too. regards, joerg Hi, sorry for such a late reply, first: yes, web archive is not updated live but twice a day. That messages you are receiving are just bounce test as reaction to mlmmj receiving bounce message (itself as consequnce of mlmmj trying to send you a message from mail-list). I had saved one bounce message mlmmj received from your MX, and it looks like your MX is acting very strangely (bounce message attached to this email). I hope that it will help you to solve the problem, because from what I can get from bounce message and mail-logs, it looks like problem on your side. Regards, -Ph -- Premysl Anydot Hruby, http://www.redrum.cz/ X-Original-To: dwm+bounces-7527-j.van_den_hoff=fzd...@suckless.org Delivered-To: dwm+bounces-7527-j.van_den_hoff=fzd...@suckless.org X-Greylist: delayed 1324 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at epona; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:52:35 UTC Received: from smtpout.fz-rossendorf.de (ix2.fz-rossendorf.de [149.220.4.86]) by code.suckless.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66E141C0 for dwm+bounces-7527-j.van_den_hoff=fzd...@suckless.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:52:35 + (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpout.fz-rossendorf.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1B6936C6 for dwm+bounces-7527-j.van_den_hoff=fzd...@suckless.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:30:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtpout.fz-rossendorf.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ix2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14521-05-2 for dwm+bounces-7527-j.van_den_hoff=fzd...@suckless.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:30:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from fz-rossendorf.de (cg.fzd.de [149.220.4.66]) by smtpout.fz-rossendorf.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655E3936C3 for dwm+bounces-7527-j.van_den_hoff=fzd...@suckless.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:30:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: Delivery report: Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS From: mailer-dae...@fz-rossendorf.de To: dwm+bounces-7527-j.van_den_hoff=fzd...@suckless.org Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:30:30 +0100 Message-ID: receipt-2044...@cg2.fz-rossendorf.de X-MAPI-Message-Class: REPORT.IPM.Note.DR Precedence: list Reply-To: dwm mail list dwm@suckless.org List-Id: dwm mail list dwm.suckless.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:dwm+unsubscr...@suckless.org List-Subscribe: mailto:dwm+subscr...@suckless.org List-Help: mailto:dwm+h...@suckless.org List-Post: mailto:dwm@suckless.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary=_===2044759cg2.fz-rossendorf.de===_ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at fz-rossendorf.de --_===2044759cg2.fz-rossendorf.de===_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message delivered to 'j.van_den_h...@cg.fzd.de' LOCAL module(account v...@fzd.de) reports: Delivered to the user mailbox --_===2044759cg2.fz-rossendorf.de===_ Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; cg2.fz-rossendorf.de Original-Recipient: rfc822;j.van_den_h...@cg.fzd.de Final-Recipient: LOCAL;v...@fzd.de Action: delivered Status: 2.0.0 --_===2044759cg2.fz-rossendorf.de===_ Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers Received: from mx1.fz-rossendorf.de ([149.220.142.11] verified) by cg2.fz-rossendorf.de (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP
Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org to you have been bouncing]
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 09:17:26PM -0700, Neale Pickett wrote: Premysl Hruby dfe...@gmail.com writes: I had saved one bounce message mlmmj received from your MX, and it looks like your MX is acting very strangely (bounce message attached to this email). thanks for looking into this. Wow, his MTA (or maybe MUA) is sending out a delivery status notification, saying that the message was delivered. I didn't think any MTAs actually did that, it can create many problems (like the current one). Joerg, you should check your mail client to see if it's sending out delivery status notifications (DSNs). What's happening is that your mail client, or your mail server, is responding back to the message I presume, it's our IMAP server in central IT. I'll forward your message. I'm using `mutt' (which at least claims to suck less than other mail clients) and AFAICS should have nothing to do with the delivery notification, right? saying I got it! mlmmj (the list software used at suckless.org, which I happen to have contributed to) treats any response to the envelope sender address as a bounced message. naive question: would it harm if mlmmj would treat the DSN has harmless/irrelevant instead of 'bounced'? I'm guessing there's some sender on the list who requests delivery status notifications on their outbound messages, and this is why you only see the bounces occasionally. I start to get the picture. I'll refrain from expounding on my opinion of DSNs. Check the Internet if you're curious. I always am. thanks again, joerg
Re: [dwm] minimal communication
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 04:23:23PM -0800, Scytrin dai Kinthra wrote: My question however, is anyone familiar with a jabber client similar to sic? No, but you can use XMMP with any IRC client through bitlbee. The best news (for me) is that the development version of WeeChat already have a beta jabber plugin. Next release will be almost the perfect IM (not IRC) client ever. Hope this helps, Claudio M. Alessi. -- JID: smo...@gmail.com WWW: http://cma.teroristi.org
Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org to you have been bouncing]
On (07/03/09 11:50), Joerg van den Hoff wrote: To: dwm mail list dwm@suckless.org Cc: Premysl Hruby dfe...@gmail.com From: Joerg van den Hoff j.van_den_h...@fzd.de Subject: Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org to you have been bouncing] ... Wow, his MTA (or maybe MUA) is sending out a delivery status notification, saying that the message was delivered. I didn't think any MTAs actually did that, it can create many problems (like the current one). Joerg, you should check your mail client to see if it's sending out delivery status notifications (DSNs). What's happening is that your mail client, or your mail server, is responding back to the message I presume, it's our IMAP server in central IT. I'll forward your message. I'm using `mutt' (which at least claims to suck less than other mail clients) and AFAICS should have nothing to do with the delivery notification, right? I'm using mutt too, and have no problem. Do you use any other program/device to access that IMAP account? saying I got it! mlmmj (the list software used at suckless.org, which I happen to have contributed to) treats any response to the envelope sender address as a bounced message. naive question: would it harm if mlmmj would treat the DSN has harmless/irrelevant instead of 'bounced'? No, that's not possible. If you look on that bounce message carefully you will see that your MX is sending it as MAILERDAEMON ( address to be precise) so that's fully featured bounce message. I'm guessing there's some sender on the list who requests delivery status notifications on their outbound messages, and this is why you only see the bounces occasionally. Well, I searched dwm archive and there's no email with header from disposition-notification-* family -- one responsible for requesting that I read your email thingie. I start to get the picture. I'll refrain from expounding on my opinion of DSNs. Check the Internet if you're curious. I always am. thanks again, joerg regards -- Premysl Anydot Hruby, http://www.redrum.cz/
Re: [dwm] minimal communication
On (06/03/09 21:27), Neale Pickett wrote: To: Ian Daniher it.dani...@gmail.com Cc: dwm mail list dwm@suckless.org From: Neale Pickett ne...@woozle.org Subject: Re: [dwm] minimal communication User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Reply-To: dwm mail list dwm@suckless.org List-Id: dwm mail list dwm.suckless.org Ian Daniher it.dani...@gmail.com writes: Why do you want to use sic over irssi? Maybe the guy likes a challenge :) irssi is pretty light... The irssi processes on my multi-user server are currently the second biggest memory users. Behind them are the web server, the SMTP, IMAP, and POP3 servers, bitlbee, and even the IRC server! Well, there's problem with perl scripts leaking and memory fragmentation etc. so there's simple solution -- doesn't use any scripts in irssi. Also, you can use /upgrade command from time to time. It just reexec irssi, but your configuration will remain same and you will still use that pretty same connection to irc server -- no quits+rejoins. It certainly isn't anywhere near as heavyweight as, say, pidgin, but I'd stop short of calling irssi pretty light. I'm pretty sure it weighs in heavier than any other text-mode client. Neale -Ph -- Premysl Anydot Hruby, http://www.redrum.cz/
Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org to you have been bouncing]
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 12:40:35PM +0100, Premysl Hruby wrote: On (07/03/09 11:50), Joerg van den Hoff wrote: To: dwm mail list dwm@suckless.org Cc: Premysl Hruby dfe...@gmail.com From: Joerg van den Hoff j.van_den_h...@fzd.de Subject: Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org to you have been bouncing] ... Wow, his MTA (or maybe MUA) is sending out a delivery status notification, saying that the message was delivered. I didn't think any MTAs actually did that, it can create many problems (like the current one). Joerg, you should check your mail client to see if it's sending out delivery status notifications (DSNs). What's happening is that your mail client, or your mail server, is responding back to the message I presume, it's our IMAP server in central IT. I'll forward your message. I'm using `mutt' (which at least claims to suck less than other mail clients) and AFAICS should have nothing to do with the delivery notification, right? I'm using mutt too, and have no problem. Do you use any other program/device to access that IMAP account? quite generally, no. very rarely, I've to use a web-browser interface to the mail server. but I'm quite sure this has no relation to the current problems (which have appeared only rather recently -- maybe related to some update on the server side, I'll try to check with IT). saying I got it! mlmmj (the list software used at suckless.org, which I happen to have contributed to) treats any response to the envelope sender address as a bounced message. naive question: would it harm if mlmmj would treat the DSN has harmless/irrelevant instead of 'bounced'? No, that's not possible. If you look on that bounce message carefully you will see that your MX is sending it as MAILERDAEMON ( address to be precise) so that's fully featured bounce message. I'm guessing there's some sender on the list who requests delivery status notifications on their outbound messages, and this is why you only see the bounces occasionally. Well, I searched dwm archive and there's no email with header from disposition-notification-* family -- one responsible for requesting that I read your email thingie. meaning it's mysterious, _why_ our server spills out his DSNs? anyway, since I know (next to) nothing of mail protocol internals I'll have to wait what central IT is going to say and let you know their answer. regards, joerg I start to get the picture. I'll refrain from expounding on my opinion of DSNs. Check the Internet if you're curious. I always am. thanks again, joerg regards -- Premysl Anydot Hruby, http://www.redrum.cz/
Re: [dwm] GSoC 2009 mentors please shout
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 06:21:41PM -0500, voltaic wrote: Hey Matthias, Hi, That URL you mentioned has some simple typos in it. The page is not publicly editable, so I thought I'd let you know. The things that stick out at me right away are: Well, you can edit it. See http://www.suckless.org/wiki/ for further details. proof should be prove Our project scopes focus on advanced should be ...focuses on advanced projects who focus should be projects that focus Need a comma after average and normal end users Thanks, very obvious. The comma seems reasonable. I could go on, but editing that page over email is not the most efficient way of doing things. Just send me the diff or push it yourself. However, I'll take out my grammar book and look for mistakes in the GSoC page. Could another native speaker (preferably British) look for mistakes as well? Regards, Matthias-Christian On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Matthias-Christian Ott o...@mirix.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 03:02:17PM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: Hi there, please send me a private mail if you'd be willing to mentor a GSoC project this year for suckless.org. We need at least 10 mentors I'd say. I also created a list of mentors: http://www.suckless.org:8000/gsoc.html You may add yourself to the list if Anselm agreed. Kind regards, --Anselm Regards, Matthias-Christian Ott
