[DX-CHAT] question?
I should know the answer to this but am not sure where to look, so I'll ask... This question is in ref to portable identifiers attached to call signs and pertains to LOTW for additional call signs...such as, for my call when I go to the Dom Rep to operate in the summer as hi9/k8wk ---or--- as the license was issued to me k8wk/hi9. Which is the correct method? hi9/k8wk or k8wk/hi9. I see and hear both and have used both but truthfully don't really know what is correct. Anybody knowledgeable and can help educate me? 73/dx steve, k8wk * Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] question?
Steve, I'm not sure what you mean by correct method. Once upon a time YourCall/PortablePrefix was the way everyone did it, be it a different domestic call area (ie K8WK/3 or F9ABC/8) or DX (ie K8WK/VP9). (Although in some DX entities, a /p to indicate portable was, and is, also appened). This began to change in the late 1970's and early '80's, as it started to be noticed (especially in, but not exclusively in, contests) that some people were missing the DX prefix when tacked onto the end... in other words, if someone wanted to work you on Guam (ie K8WK/KH2), and weren't paying attention, they'd tune out your call before you got to the prefix. By putting the prefix first (KH2/K8WK), you clearly indicate the DX entity you're working from, thereby avoiding that problem. So, while doing it either way is acceptable, putting the prefix first is better. And I should note... if the government in question issues you a call with the prefix first, then that's what you have to use (ie if K8WK/VP2M is on the ticket, that's your call, even if VP2M/K8WK makes more sense). I believe the US/Canada automatic reciprocity treaty requires the prefix appended after, not before, the call. Also, if I'm not mistaken, I think some of the other reciprocity agreements may either require or recommend the order in which the prefix comes -- it's been a while since I reviewed the details on CEPT and some of the others, so someone more in the know can answer that one. From a computer loggging standpoint, it's certainly easier to program the system (be it general logging or contesting) if the prefix is put first, but a decent programmer willing to take the extra time can set up a routine to parse the callsign inputted to extract the prefix. Some programmers are or were not willing to do that, but that's another story. And I have had a few cases where I've put the portable DX in my logs as prefix/callsign, and had a less than pleasant note on the QSL card indicating that technically, I've logged the call incorrectly, as they sent it the other way! At least no one's rejected a QSL card on that basis... yet. 73, ron wn3vaw 46th Annual Pennsylvania QSO Party October 11 12! www.nittany-arc.org/paqso.html Look for N3SH - Allegheny County, WA3SH - Fayette County, and NP2SH -- US Virgin Islands! For more information see www.washarc.org - Original Message - From: litwins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] question? I should know the answer to this but am not sure where to look, so I'll ask... This question is in ref to portable identifiers attached to call signs and pertains to LOTW for additional call signs...such as, for my call when I go to the Dom Rep to operate in the summer as hi9/k8wk ---or--- as the license was issued to me k8wk/hi9. Which is the correct method? hi9/k8wk or k8wk/hi9. I see and hear both and have used both but truthfully don't really know what is correct. Anybody knowledgeable and can help educate me? 73/dx steve, k8wk * Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] question?
It should also be noted that the US/Canada reciprocal agreement pre-dates the now generally-accepted standard of prefix / homecall. But having said that... I have to agree with Fred that I really doubt that anyone is going to bust his chops for signing VO2/K2FRD instead of K2FRD/VO2 -- at best, if someone had really made an issue out of it, he might have gotten a note from Riley saying something on the lines of naughty, naughty, don't do it again and that would be the end of it. 73, ron wn3vaw 46th Annual Pennsylvania QSO Party October 11 12! www.nittany-arc.org/paqso.html Look for N3SH - Allegheny County, WA3SH - Fayette County, and NP2SH -- US Virgin Islands! For more information see www.washarc.org - Original Message - From: Fred Stevens K2FRD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] question? At 11:21 -0700 05/10/03, John and Mari Minke wrote: Art RX9TX wrote: HI9/K8WK, definitely. I think it is one of IARU recommendations. Europeans and JA's always use only that method. Actually, I think it would be what the license says. U.S. stations operating in Canada use their call appended by the proper Camadian prefix and vice versa per agreement between both countries. In other words if I operated from the Yukon it would be N6JM/VY1, not VY1/N6JM. This whole problem was created by the computer age of logging where the program could not recognize calls appended as such. Hopefully this new system can recognize the calls appended either way. In the latter case, if I were to operate from Siberia it definitely would be RX9/N6JM. I went through this three years ago preparing for a mini-DXpedition to Labrador, whether to sign as K2FRD/VO2 or VO2/K2FRD. True, with the US as a signatory with various IARU and ITU treaties, the portable locator should go before the home callsign (e.g. VO2/K2FRD), but a reciprocal agreement between the US and Canada nominally has it after (e.g. K2FRD/VO2) in apparent contravention to the various IARU and ITU treaties. Since Canada's RICs aren't particularly clear on the issue and the FCC Rules leave room for interpretation, I chose VO2/K2FRD since it is the industry standard of ham radio and for the above electronic logging reason. In truth, probably neither government is going to invest a lot of time obsessing with which way a portable station signs as long as the information is present and correct. -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD Chenango Co. (NY) Assistant Emergency Coordinator 2004 Labrador VO2/K2FRD mini-DXpedition: http://home.stny.rr.com/k2frd/Labrador2004.htm Foothills District, Otschodela Council BSA Committees Otschodela Council (BSA) Amateur Radio Group KZ2BSA: http://home.stny.rr.com/k2frd/ocarg.htm K2FRD Personal Adventure page: http://home.stny.rr.com/k2frd/K2FRD.htm Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] opdx bulletins
What happened to the OPDX bulletin we used to get on DX News? Jim
Re: [DX-CHAT] opdx bulletins
I think that when the DX-NEWS went to it's own server, the addresses for never was changed. I will send a message to Ted On 6 Oct 2003 at 0:06, JAMES ABERCROMBIE wrote: From: JAMES ABERCROMBIE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[DX-CHAT] opdx bulletins Date sent: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:06:05 - What happened to the OPDX bulletin we used to get on DX News? Jim Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] OK, Where is 3C0V gone?
There are reports on several of the DX reflectors to the effect that the 3C0V team was apparently instructed to cease operating, presumably by someone in authority to do so, early morning on 5 October 03. At the moment that is all that is known for sure. All we can do at the moment is stand by, wait for further information, and keep our fingers crossed that the team is safe and will be sent home soon. 73, ron wn3vaw 46th Annual Pennsylvania QSO Party October 11 12!www.nittany-arc.org/paqso.htmlLook for N3SH - Allegheny County, WA3SH - Fayette County, and NP2SH -- US Virgin Islands!For more information see www.washarc.org - Original Message - From: Dave Anderson, K4SV To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 8:26 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] OK, Where is 3C0V gone? Hi All, I have heard all kind of things about 3C0V so what is the story? Dave, K4SVAsheville, NC
Re: [DX-CHAT] question?
Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: Steve, I'm not sure what you mean by correct method. Once upon a time YourCall/PortablePrefix was the way everyone did it, be it a different domestic call area (ie K8WK/3 or F9ABC/8) or DX (ie K8WK/VP9). (Although in some DX entities, a /p to indicate portable was, and is, also appened). This began to change in the late 1970's and early '80's, as it started to be noticed (especially in, but not exclusively in, contests) that some people were missing the DX prefix when tacked onto the end... in other words, if someone wanted to work you on Guam (ie K8WK/KH2), and weren't paying attention, they'd tune out your call before you got to the prefix. By putting the prefix first (KH2/K8WK), you clearly indicate the DX entity you're working from, thereby avoiding that problem. So, while doing it either way is acceptable, putting the prefix first is better. Yes, however international recomendations, or is it regulations, (IARU) stipulates the prefix to come first. In my book that would be the way to go. 73 Jim SM2EKM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] opdx bulletins
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 06:27:06PM -0700, John and Mari Minke wrote: JAMES ABERCROMBIE wrote: What happened to the OPDX bulletin we used to get on DX News? Jim From the lates OPDXB Subscribe info: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I sent a subscription request to that address over a week ago, but nothing has shown up yet. At least is still shows up on rec.radio.amateur.dx. Bob, N7XY Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] question?
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 06:57:56PM -0400, Fred Stevens K2FRD wrote: At 11:21 -0700 05/10/03, John and Mari Minke wrote: Art RX9TX wrote: HI9/K8WK, definitely. I think it is one of IARU recommendations. Europeans and JA's always use only that method. Actually, I think it would be what the license says. U.S. stations operating in Canada use their call appended by the proper Camadian prefix and vice versa per agreement between both countries. In other words if I operated from the Yukon it would be N6JM/VY1, not VY1/N6JM. This whole problem was created by the computer age of logging where the program could not recognize calls appended as such. Hopefully this new system can recognize the calls appended either way. In the latter case, if I were to operate from Siberia it definitely would be RX9/N6JM. I went through this three years ago preparing for a mini-DXpedition to Labrador, whether to sign as K2FRD/VO2 or VO2/K2FRD. True, with the US as a signatory with various IARU and ITU treaties, the portable locator should go before the home callsign (e.g. VO2/K2FRD), but a reciprocal agreement between the US and Canada nominally has it after (e.g. K2FRD/VO2) in apparent contravention to the various IARU and ITU treaties. Since Canada's RICs aren't particularly clear on the issue and the FCC Rules leave room for interpretation, I chose VO2/K2FRD since it is the industry standard of ham radio and for the above electronic logging reason. In truth, probably neither government is going to invest a lot of time obsessing with which way a portable station signs as long as the information is present and correct. The RAC web site http://www.rac.ca/rcip.htm says essentially the same thing. At the time the US/Canada agreement was made, having it after the callsign was the accepted practice. Bob, N7XY Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
