Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings
Hi Ron and the group Like mine (4W6EB) Thor's authorization for 4W6MM expired May 20, 2002, not March 20, 2002, so you gain two more months ! 73 Jose CT1EEB http://www.qsl.net/ct1eeb http://www.qsl.net/ed1ons Besides, I'm MUCH more irritated to find out that 4W6MM's authorization to operate expired in March '02, but he wasn't told until months later, which invalidates my one only QSO with him in the '02 IARU contest! Ah, nutz! Oh well, just have to try again Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings
All this all-time DXCC listings (deleted and gone forever) has created much discussion. I made a comment with that honor to senior DXers, but this could apply to all. Many DXers work hard to work a new one. They are not blessed with super stations with super antennas. And, many do not use the aid of computer programs that do everything but activate your transmitter. So, if a country was deleted at least all their effort was for nothing. But, with the present DXCC standards it is just that. So, the guy who has everything won't miss it. There was a comment regarding DXCC listings with both all-time and current shown. Does it matter? My listing is high but it doesn't include that little asterisk like everyone else at my level. I know my current level. And, anyone else who looks at the listing will know that N6JM ain't honor roll. But, so what. When I finally get around to making the honor roll it will be without the aid of a super station and/or super antenna. Hard work! 73 de John N6JM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings
A current total for everyone one on the DXCC lists has to be known otherwise the asterisk could not be printed. The data is the all there. It's a matter of which way it's cut. One is a deference to longevity (absolute total), the other to competition with recognition of long term accomplishment (current total sort with a slash absolute #). Neither cut says anything about a super station, QRP, or whether you worked a bunch of tough ones on 160 from one side of the country and then moved to the other side and worked a bunch more. Or whether or not you've even had a station for the last ten years but your buddy throws your call into all the pile ups and that keeps you on the Honor Roll. Only you know that and to first order, no one cares. I'm certain that there are DXers out there who have Honor Roll achievement but who've never submitted cards. They really don't care! They do it strictly for themselves. My point is simple: If there is a listing, it should be useful and not primarily a celebration of age. The present listing scheme is antiquated. It would be like listing baseball standings after the World Series with the Yankees always at the top because they've won more than any other team. Come to think of it, wouldn't that be a great enticement for youngsters to get interested?! 73, Steve WB6RSE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings
It appears to be a case of whose ox is being gored. For those of us who have been long time active dxers and want to be recognized for what we have accomplished over the years, the overall total including currently deleted, but not deleted at the time we worked them, is valid. We have looked for years longingly at the numbers represented by gentlemen far beyond our years who have worked stations that we had no opportunity to work, with the understanding that at some point in the future, we too will have this opportunity to be recognized. Now, the newly licensed and those who didn't have the ambition or desire to work for the long term want it NOW NOW NOW. If you want to use stupid analogies like the Yankees, I'll present one just as stupid. Let's assume you want to be a doctor but dislike the thought of it having to spend all those years of preparation. Your solution would be to just give the certification to anyone who can pass the test or has the money to pay anyone who has a friend who took the test and has a copy that you can study. Fortunately it doesn't work that way...yet. When it does, it is my hope that people who want it NOW NOW NOW have the opportunity to have these people for their physician. Since it is my ox that is being gored, I waited and didn't scream NOW NOW NOW for all these years, and my NOW is finally becoming reality. Let us who have spent the years working at our count enjoy our DXCC count including deleted while we can just as those in the past have. Red K0LUZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings A current total for everyone one on the DXCC lists has to be known otherwise the asterisk could not be printed. The data is the all there. It's a matter of which way it's cut. One is a deference to longevity (absolute total), the other to competition with recognition of long term accomplishment (current total sort with a slash absolute #). Neither cut says anything about a super station, QRP, or whether you worked a bunch of tough ones on 160 from one side of the country and then moved to the other side and worked a bunch more. Or whether or not you've even had a station for the last ten years but your buddy throws your call into all the pile ups and that keeps you on the Honor Roll. Only you know that and to first order, no one cares. I'm certain that there are DXers out there who have Honor Roll achievement but who've never submitted cards. They really don't care! They do it strictly for themselves. My point is simple: If there is a listing, it should be useful and not primarily a celebration of age. The present listing scheme is antiquated. It would be like listing baseball standings after the World Series with the Yankees always at the top because they've won more than any other team. Come to think of it, wouldn't that be a great enticement for youngsters to get interested?! 73, Steve WB6RSE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings
You seem to be inferring that building/obtaining a super station is NOT hard work. I am not 'blessed' with a super station, I obtained it with a lot of hard work. I design and build my own antennas, top loaded ground plane on 160m, 4sqs on 80m 40m, long boom yagi's on 20, 15 10. All built with material that was discarded by other hams. I transported and erected my towers by myself using knowledge that I gained from helping others. I repair my own equipment and if/when it does not operate to my expectations I modify it. A couple of my friends have what I call super stations and they work hard at it too. We have found that these antennas and towers do not continue to function without assistance. And maintaining the rest of the station equipment is an ongoing issue also. We do not go into the local goody store, plunk down $10K to $1M, wait a couple of weeks and walk into a functioning super station. If you have only one radio and you admire the super station that has two, just remember that it requires twice as much work for him to get and keep the two radios as it is for your one. Same with antennas. If you are working with one tribander, the ham with 3 monobanders expends 3 times as much effort, etc. Yes, I am on the honor roll, and it WAS done by hard work. de Paul, W8AEF -- ZF2TA FO8DX FO0PLA 8Q7AA XZ0A -- - Original Message - From: John and Mari Minke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings All this all-time DXCC listings (deleted and gone forever) has created much discussion. I made a comment with that honor to senior DXers, but this could apply to all. Many DXers work hard to work a new one. They are not blessed with super stations with super antennas. And, many do not use the aid of computer programs that do everything but activate your transmitter. So, if a country was deleted at least all their effort was for nothing. But, with the present DXCC standards it is just that. So, the guy who has everything won't miss it. There was a comment regarding DXCC listings with both all-time and current shown. Does it matter? My listing is high but it doesn't include that little asterisk like everyone else at my level. I know my current level. And, anyone else who looks at the listing will know that N6JM ain't honor roll. But, so what. When I finally get around to making the honor roll it will be without the aid of a super station and/or super antenna. Hard work! 73 de John N6JM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings
Paul, Beautifully stated. Anyone with a super station will know the amount of effort required. I do not count myself among those but I do know that even a moderately successful station takes a lot of work.This does not even take into account the operator's skill which is another important ingredient. Plunking down the big bucks alone does not assure success and a moderate station does not preclude it. Howard..K2HK 365/334 confirmed Original Message Follows From: Paul Playford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX - chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:50:23 + You seem to be inferring that building/obtaining a super station is NOT hard work. I am not 'blessed' with a super station, I obtained it with a lot of hard work. I design and build my own antennas, top loaded ground plane on 160m, 4sqs on 80m 40m, long boom yagi's on 20, 15 10. All built with material that was discarded by other hams. I transported and erected my towers by myself using knowledge that I gained from helping others. I repair my own equipment and if/when it does not operate to my expectations I modify it. A couple of my friends have what I call super stations and they work hard at it too. We have found that these antennas and towers do not continue to function without assistance. And maintaining the rest of the station equipment is an ongoing issue also. We do not go into the local goody store, plunk down $10K to $1M, wait a couple of weeks and walk into a functioning super station. If you have only one radio and you admire the super station that has two, just remember that it requires twice as much work for him to get and keep the two radios as it is for your one. Same with antennas. If you are working with one tribander, the ham with 3 monobanders expends 3 times as much effort, etc. Yes, I am on the honor roll, and it WAS done by hard work. de Paul, W8AEF -- ZF2TA FO8DX FO0PLA 8Q7AA XZ0A -- _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings
Steve, Red, et al, I've been reading this thread (for the most part) and sometimes when I feel rushed, I've just hit the delete key. For some reason I read these two and wanted to add my 2 cents worth which will become delete fodder for many, but others might have a slight interest. I am an OT...not as much of an OT as many, but I've been at it for nearly 50 years. Only the past 25 or so have I been even close to what one could call competetive in the pileups. But through dumb and good luck and good fortune, I've done OK. All that said, I really wanted to add what the CURRENT DX country total/total DX country including DELETED total means to me. First of all, it certainly does not make me want to belittle the accomplishments of many nor does it make me jealous of the recognition of the accomplishments of the real OT's but rather tickles my memory of when I first got into ham radio and looked thru the loaned copies of CQ and QST magazines from the 30's and 40's and saw the black and white fotos, small and grainy, of the native ham on some obscure island in the Pacific or Indian Ocean who was running a 6L6 (that's a tube for the young folk) at 10 watts to a wire strung between two coconut trees, giving contacts to those who had antennas and receivers and transmitters capable of establishing such a contact. Some of those islands and locations have turned out to be hot tourist spots now, with many DXpeditions handing out QSO's by the thousands but SOME of those little obscure hams and their stations were operating from places that no longer exist, due to political or other reasons. Names like Goa, Rio de Oro, Ifni, French West Africa, Equitorial Africa, Inini, Straits Settlements, Federated Malay States, Non-federated Malay States, British North Borneo, etc. come to mind. These guys with the deleted totals were fortunate enough to have worked these placesmy reaction is WOW! Congratulations on your accomplishments under conditions that we probably can't or don't understand. And finally, rather than spend my time and effort debating whether those deleted totals should now be shown, I would much rather have the opportunity to sit down and hear the stories from these OT's on how they managed to work these far away places with strange sounding names. How long has it been since you took the time or had the opportunity to hear any of these stories? I guess my favorites were those told by the GI's in WW2 who were on the air from these dots in the Pacific, using hand cranked generators, etcMaybe you real OT's could share a story now and then with us? Huh? Some of us would be interested and intent listeners. Best to all...Good DXing...see you in the pileups. Tony, W4FOA Chickamauga, GA PS: I don't have a clue what my totals are but I do know I only need VU4 and VU7! Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. -Frank Outlaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings Red - Call what you will stupid but it's MY opinion just as yours is yours. When I see an unachievable number with an asterisk next to it, I'm not inclined to think of anything much more than OT. When I see 335 as a current number I wonder on what band that op snagged the P5. A listing sorted by the current totals slash absolute serves both purposes - current competition and a tip of the hat to longevity. The yearly QST Honor Roll listing is shown this way. The year book should be the same but isn't. I'll guess that's the League's compromise. 73, Steve WB6RSE (I'll have to get back to you on that Physician's analogy after I check with the DXCC desk on why my personal doctor isn't listed.) On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 09:48 AM, K0LUZ wrote: It appears to be a case of whose ox is being gored. For those of us who have been long time active dxers and want to be recognized for what we have accomplished over the years, the overall total including currently deleted, but not deleted at the time we worked them, is valid. We have looked for years longingly at the numbers represented by gentlemen far beyond our years who have worked stations that we had no opportunity to work, with the understanding that at some point in the future, we too will have this opportunity to be recognized. Now, the newly licensed and those who didn't have the ambition or desire to work for the long term want it NOW NOW NOW. If you want to use stupid analogies like the Yankees, I'll present one just as stupid. Let's assume you want to be a doctor but dislike the thought of it having to spend all those years of preparation. Your solution would be to just give
