Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition Expectations
Mike and all...human nature will prevail in amateur radio as it does in the population as a whole. The bad actors on the air are the same guys that were the schoolyard bullies' those who sneak into lines ahead of you and those who cut you off in traffic. Their behaviour rarely changes throughout life The best we can do is to ignore them; they are after all looking for attention. 73NormK1AA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: DX Chat Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition Expectations Superbly stated! John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: rfman45 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many of the problems already cited in these current threads are certainly contributing factors in today's chaotic world of pileups. Civility in general in society is woefully missing and its absence is also felt on the bands. Another contributing factor, I believe, is the very high set of expectations that DXpeditions set for themselves through advance publicity announcements. The high hopes of planners is evident in the press releases, requests for information on needed band/modes, planning for favorable propagation and times to various areas of the world, real-time online logs, etc. They, and we, want the very best possible results. While I and all DXers wish all DXpeditioners the very best success, planners may well be painting themselves into a corner in an effort to put their efforts in the best favorable light. DXpeditions to difficult-to-reach spots and/or places with problematic governments are, by definition, outs ide of the normal course of things and many unexpected events can therefore more easily present themselves, derailing even the best laid plans. It's not difficult to activate Spain; Heard Island is another matter. I am as enthusiastic as any when an expedition is announced; I have nothing but respect for our fellow hams who devote themselves to my favorite aspect of operating. However, the combination of the anticipation of a rare place being QRV, the talk of needing this or that band and the final event of the station coming on the air makes for an explosive mix that finally ignites in the inevitable fracas of the resulting pileup. I'm definitely in favor of advance publicity and any necessary fundraising, assistance, etc. but planners must be careful not to raise expectations too high and we, in the pileups, have to act more reasonably in our conduct and in what we expect. n bsp; Best DX es 73, Mike W2LO Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] DXpedition Expectations
Many of the problems already cited in these current threads are certainly contributing factors in today's chaotic world of pileups. Civility in general in society is woefully missing and its absence is also felt on the bands. Another contributing factor, I believe, is the very high set of expectations that DXpeditions set for themselves through advance publicity announcements. The high hopes of planners is evident in the press releases, requests for information on needed band/modes, planning for favorable propagation and times to various areas of the world, real-time online logs, etc. They, and we, want the very best possible results. While I and all DXers wish all DXpeditioners the very best success, planners may well be painting themselves into a corner in an effort to put their efforts in the best favorable light. DXpeditions to difficult-to-reach spots and/or places with problematic governments are, by definition, outside of the normal course of things and many unexpected events can therefore more easily present themselves, derailing even the best laid plans. It's not difficult to activate Spain; Heard Island is another matter. I am as enthusiastic as any when an expedition is announced; I have nothing but respect for our fellow hams who devote themselves to my favorite aspect of operating. However, the combination of the anticipation of a rare place being QRV, the talk of needing this or that band and the final event of the station coming on the air makes for an explosive mix that finally ignites in the inevitable fracas of the resulting pileup. I'm definitely in favor of advance publicity and any necessary fundraising, assistance, etc. but planners must be careful not to raise expectations too high and we, in the pileups, have to act more reasonably in our conduct and in what we expect. Best DX es 73,Mike W2LO Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition Expectations
Mike, I think you're on to something. TI9 is apparently #87 in the DXCC most wanted for 2006. I'd believe that... there are other things I would rather knock down but there's not a whole ton of activity. It's good DX and lots of people need it. OK, so ZK2 is #75. I'd believe that, right? It's occasionally active too but harder from the U.S.A. and much harder from EU. TI9KK has monster raging pileups. I saw a spot for ZK2CC on 40m last night and one called 'em. 100W. The apparently more-rare ZK2 wasn't attracting as much attention as TI9. An East Coast USA station with 100W and a vertical (albeit a big one) can one-call #75 on the list. It was late at night, many people probably asleep, sun up over much of EU by then but #75 gets no pileup and #87 gets this: http://n3ox.net/files/TI9KK_pile_021008_40m.mp3 We can't draw the strongest of conclusions because it really wasn't prime time for pileups on the ZK2 but now that you've mentioned it I wonder if the big announcement and coverage and the delay and callsign change and whatever have brought TI9KK to the forefront of everyone's DX awareness ... At any rate, we've got a couple of CW stations down in Cocos to work as of this writing and SSB seems to be going well on 17 now. I'm sure things will hit their stride and we'll get 'em where we need 'em (though I'm a little bit terrified of listening the first time they hit 160m ) It'd be interesting to know what OTHER good DX everyone is working while hordes call the TI9 stations. I don't blame them for stirring up a lot of attention, this stuff is expensive and no one is going to donate to a DXpedition they don't know about... but I think there really might be something to this sentence: However, the combination of the anticipation of a rare place being QRV, the talk of needing this or that band and the final event of the station coming on the air makes for an explosive mix that finally ignites in the inevitable fracas of the resulting pileup. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition Expectations
At 05:42 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote: TI9KK has monster raging pileups. I saw a spot for ZK2CC on 40m last night and one called 'em. 100W. Yup, I got the ZK2 on 15 (new band for me), low power/no-amp and with one or two calls, no waiting. Also this afternoon I got HC1MD on 12m CW, another new bandfill--also low power one call, as well as three mode-fills on RTTY yesterday (Uruguay, Nicaragua and Peru). (though I'm a little bit terrified of listening the first time they hit 160m ) You and me both! Regards, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition Expectations
Superbly stated! John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: rfman45 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many of the problems already cited in these current threads are certainly contributing factors in today's chaotic world of pileups. Civility in general in society is woefully missing and its absence is also felt on the bands. Another contributing factor, I believe, is the very high set of expectations that DXpeditions set for themselves through advance publicity announcements. The high hopes of planners is evident in the press releases, requests for information on needed band/modes, planning for favorable propagation and times to various areas of the world, real-time online logs, etc. They, and we, want the very best possible results. While I and all DXers wish all DXpeditioners the very best success, planners may well be painting themselves into a corner in an effort to put their efforts in the best favorable light. DXpeditions to difficult-to-reach spots and/or places with problematic governments are, by definition, outside of the normal course of things and many unexpected events can therefore more easily present themselves, derailing even the best laid plans. It's not difficult to activate Spain; Heard Island is another matter. I am as enthusiastic as any when an expedition is announced; I have nothing but respect for our fellow hams who devote themselves to my favorite aspect of operating. However, the combination of the anticipation of a rare place being QRV, the talk of needing this or that band and the final event of the station coming on the air makes for an explosive mix that finally ignites in the inevitable fracas of the resulting pileup. I'm definitely in favor of advance publicity and any necessary fundraising, assistance, etc. but planners must be careful not to raise expectations too high and we, in the pileups, have to act more reasonably in our conduct and in what we expect. Best DX es 73, Mike W2LO Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition Expectations
IMHO, the DX-Pedition operators will ultimately be the ones who must solve the problem. They will have to get tired enough to start imposing sanctions on unruly stations. Calling these Bozos out by callsign publicly isn't a viable solution, but privately taking note of who they are, and never answering their calls may get their attention. While I don't like the fact that there are General class ops operating out of their assigned frequency range, I am forced accept the fact that the whole licensing structure has gone to hxxx in a hand-basket, and for all practical purposes is meaningless. 73, Mike, W5UC **age treachery will overcome youth skill** **Management is the cesspool of life. It's the place where the big chunks float to the top.** ** http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ ** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition Expectations
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Dan Zimmerman N3OX wrote: Mike, I think you're on to something. TI9 is apparently #87 in the DXCC most wanted for 2006. I'd believe that... there are other things I would rather knock down but there's not a whole ton of activity. It's good DX and lots of people need it. OK, so ZK2 is #75. I'd believe that, right? It's occasionally active too but harder from the U.S.A. and much harder from EU. Where's ZK2AU when we need him? (Sorry I couldn't resist!) :-) 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
