RE: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up

2012-12-15 Thread Ron Notarius W3WN

Don,

I've been reading comments on the LotW situation for several weeks now -- on
this reflector, on other email reflectors, and in the online forums for
several web sites.

Based on that overall picture, I think we can group the "critical comments"
into two categories:

The first category concerns comments from those who are generally interested
in getting the situation resolved.  That includes users with and without an
IT background, many of whom understand the issues regarding a worldwide
database application of this magnitude, and how difficult (and expensive)
the management of such a system can be -- to say nothing of the fixes when
something goes kaflooey.

I consider this category the "constructive" comments.

The second category concerns comments from those who actually don't care
about LotW.  Most of these are from people who have a grudge against the
ARRL in particular and/or other amateur radio groups or societies in
general.  Some of these people are simply being ornery curmudgeons just they
can be (or because they like, for some twisted reason, to stir up trouble
for others).  

Many of the comments from this group, when you step back and look at them
overall, show a lack of understanding (or an unwillingness to care) about
the situation in general or in specifics.  Many of the comments become
contradictory; that is to say, they answer another's comment solely to
further their agenda at the moment, and/or smear LotW and/or ARRL,
regardless of what they said in the past -- be it a month ago, a week ago,
or 10 minutes ago.

I consider this category "destructive" comments.

I have no problem with the constructive comments.  I may not agree with
someone, but I respect them for saying it.  These comments are from people
who genuinely want to get the situation fixed -- both for the moment and for
good.

Now as far as the destructive comments, I am sure that I'm not the only one
who would like to tell this small group to Shut The Front Door.  These
comments are not helping.  They are sowing confusion, misleading
conclusions, and in general are raising the background noise without
improving the Signal to Noise ratio.

So... those who truly wish to assist or are truly concerned about fixing the
problem, please continue to post.  

As far as the other group goes... your displeasure has been duly noted.
Thank you.  Now: let the rest of us work on the issues without further
distractions.  

73, ron w3wn
Note:  Just speaking for myself.  Not putting on my administrative cap on...
yet.

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up


Having read most of the comments critical of the time lag, I am reminded of 
the time when it took "forever" to get confirmations via the mail and some 
bureaus.

This whole issue seems to me to be centered among those who either can't 
recall those days or the younger folks who suffer from what is hopefully not

a communicable form of the disease knows as instant gratification-itis.

Don K1VSK 



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up

2012-12-15 Thread Charlie Gallo


On 12/15/2012 Don Berger wrote:


> Having read most of the comments critical of the time lag, I am reminded of
> the time when it took "forever" to get confirmations via the mail and some
> bureaus.

> This whole issue seems to me to be centered among those who either can't
> recall those days or the younger folks who suffer from what is hopefully not
> a communicable form of the disease knows as instant gratification-itis.

> Don K1VSK 

No, looking at it, the biggest noise seems to be among DBAs, programmers, 
system designers and the like who are like the engineers at Morton Thiokol  who 
were saying 'There is a problem, we need to look into this' and 'I don't think 
we should launch', when the folks a bit more removed were saying 'Oh, we 
haven't had a failure yet, so what if it isn't working exactly as designed'

The time to FIX things is BEFORE they fail.  Now the ARRL MAY have plans to do 
so, but so far, they aren't telling us




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73 de KG2V - Charles Gallo
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up

2012-12-15 Thread Barry


Those days are irrelevant to the subject at hand and it has nothing to 
do with instant gratification.  It has to do with the current state of 
technology, what it can provide, and what it should provide.  There's 
also no need to talk about spark transmitters or paper logs, either.


Barry W2UP

On 12/15/2012 12:47, Don Berger wrote:


Having read most of the comments critical of the time lag, I am 
reminded of the time when it took "forever" to get confirmations via 
the mail and some bureaus.


This whole issue seems to me to be centered among those who either 
can't recall those days or the younger folks who suffer from what is 
hopefully not a communicable form of the disease knows as instant 
gratification-itis.


Don K1VSK


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up

2012-12-15 Thread Don Berger


Having read most of the comments critical of the time lag, I am reminded of 
the time when it took "forever" to get confirmations via the mail and some 
bureaus.


This whole issue seems to me to be centered among those who either can't 
recall those days or the younger folks who suffer from what is hopefully not 
a communicable form of the disease knows as instant gratification-itis.


Don K1VSK 




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