RE: [DX-CHAT] will this help?
The cost of operating DXA on K7C was inadvertently high (about $10K) due to the server crashes generated by the extraordinary demand (42,000 logged in DXers, 20,000 logins every day, 40 million total hits). The extra cost was mostly the extra satellite time to modify DXA remotely from Kure and to monitor the server. Watching DXA from the remote site is vary expensive due to the overhead of the browser. The actual cost of uploading the radio log is negligible (about $0.001/QSO using Inmarsat). I expect the next deployment of DXA on a big DXpedition will add perhaps $1K to the budget, almost all of which will be set-up, monitoring, service communications, etc. When it becomes a reliable part of the equipment, it will add negligibly to a DXpedition budget. > -Original Message- > From: Tom Wylie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org > Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] will this help? > > How much did that cost on K7C Bob? > > Tom GM4FDM > (part of the VU7 team) > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] will this help?
How much did that cost on K7C Bob? Tom GM4FDM (part of the VU7 team) Robert Schmieder wrote: Pirating is not very extensive, but it is a problem for DXpeditions, because those unfortunate DXers who work a pirate often blame the DXpedition for sloppy work. The K7C DXpedition is a good case in point: Quite a few DXers told stories that we believe...they truly made a good QSO with "K7C" but the QSO does not appear in the K7C radio log. The log is not at fault--apparently the DXers worked pirates. One answer to pirates is real-time online log display, of the kind we did with DXA on K7C. Very soon after you worked the real K7C (5 minutes or so), you saw confirmation on the DXA window (the "greenies"). If you worked a pirate, that confirmation would not come, since the pirate cannot give the confirming greenies. Properly used, a real-time log display would almost totally eliminate pirates as a source of lost QSOs. Bob KK6EK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:46 PM To: Charles Harpole; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] will this help? At 05:25 AM 10/07/2006, Charles Harpole wrote: Will this help? If a DXpedition station gave out serial numbers, incrementing for each QSO (like some contests ), would that retard pirates? A pirate could give out serial numbers, too, but could he ever get so close in sequence to the real DX to make confusion? Also, would serial numbers on the incoming QSL card requests make hand log searching easier? I could see that slowing a pileup down to a crawl, to be perfectly honest -- and to what end? Is call pirating really a major problem for DXpeditions? It might make QSLing a tad easier, but I think trying to get everyone to understand what's being done might be an exercise in futility, and if you think pileups are bad NOW, I'd hate to see what would happen with serial numbers. In this age of online logs for major DXpeditions, if I don't see my call show up within 2 or 3 days of a QSO on a needed band I just make another Q. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] will this help?
A near-real-time log display like DXA would also lessen the need for "insurance" QSOs... making it possible for the DX to get to more of the little pistols. 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: "Robert Schmieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] will this help? Pirating is not very extensive, but it is a problem for DXpeditions, because those unfortunate DXers who work a pirate often blame the DXpedition for sloppy work. The K7C DXpedition is a good case in point: Quite a few DXers told stories that we believe...they truly made a good QSO with "K7C" but the QSO does not appear in the K7C radio log. The log is not at fault--apparently the DXers worked pirates. One answer to pirates is real-time online log display, of the kind we did with DXA on K7C. Very soon after you worked the real K7C (5 minutes or so), you saw confirmation on the DXA window (the "greenies"). If you worked a pirate, that confirmation would not come, since the pirate cannot give the confirming greenies. Properly used, a real-time log display would almost totally eliminate pirates as a source of lost QSOs. Bob KK6EK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:46 PM To: Charles Harpole; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] will this help? At 05:25 AM 10/07/2006, Charles Harpole wrote: >Will this help? >If a DXpedition station gave out serial numbers, incrementing for each >QSO (like some contests ), would that retard pirates? A pirate could >give out serial numbers, too, but could he ever get so close in >sequence to the real DX to make confusion? Also, would serial numbers >on the incoming QSL card requests make hand log searching easier? I could see that slowing a pileup down to a crawl, to be perfectly honest -- and to what end? Is call pirating really a major problem for DXpeditions? It might make QSLing a tad easier, but I think trying to get everyone to understand what's being done might be an exercise in futility, and if you think pileups are bad NOW, I'd hate to see what would happen with serial numbers. In this age of online logs for major DXpeditions, if I don't see my call show up within 2 or 3 days of a QSO on a needed band I just make another Q. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] will this help?
Pirating is not very extensive, but it is a problem for DXpeditions, because those unfortunate DXers who work a pirate often blame the DXpedition for sloppy work. The K7C DXpedition is a good case in point: Quite a few DXers told stories that we believe...they truly made a good QSO with "K7C" but the QSO does not appear in the K7C radio log. The log is not at fault--apparently the DXers worked pirates. One answer to pirates is real-time online log display, of the kind we did with DXA on K7C. Very soon after you worked the real K7C (5 minutes or so), you saw confirmation on the DXA window (the "greenies"). If you worked a pirate, that confirmation would not come, since the pirate cannot give the confirming greenies. Properly used, a real-time log display would almost totally eliminate pirates as a source of lost QSOs. Bob KK6EK > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:46 PM > To: Charles Harpole; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org > Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] will this help? > > At 05:25 AM 10/07/2006, Charles Harpole wrote: > >Will this help? > >If a DXpedition station gave out serial numbers, > incrementing for each > >QSO (like some contests ), would that retard pirates? A > pirate could > >give out serial numbers, too, but could he ever get so close in > >sequence to the real DX to make confusion? Also, would > serial numbers > >on the incoming QSL card requests make hand log searching easier? > > I could see that slowing a pileup down to a crawl, to be > perfectly honest -- and to what end? Is call pirating really > a major problem for DXpeditions? It might make QSLing a tad > easier, but I think trying to get everyone to understand > what's being done might be an exercise in futility, and if > you think pileups are bad NOW, I'd hate to see what would > happen with serial numbers. > > In this age of online logs for major DXpeditions, if I don't > see my call show up within 2 or 3 days of a QSO on a needed > band I just make another Q. > > > > Cheers, > > Peter, > W2IRT > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] will this help?
At 05:25 AM 10/07/2006, Charles Harpole wrote: Will this help? If a DXpedition station gave out serial numbers, incrementing for each QSO (like some contests ), would that retard pirates? A pirate could give out serial numbers, too, but could he ever get so close in sequence to the real DX to make confusion? Also, would serial numbers on the incoming QSL card requests make hand log searching easier? I could see that slowing a pileup down to a crawl, to be perfectly honest -- and to what end? Is call pirating really a major problem for DXpeditions? It might make QSLing a tad easier, but I think trying to get everyone to understand what's being done might be an exercise in futility, and if you think pileups are bad NOW, I'd hate to see what would happen with serial numbers. In this age of online logs for major DXpeditions, if I don't see my call show up within 2 or 3 days of a QSO on a needed band I just make another Q. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
