[DX-NEWS] Re FO/G35WH
I worked FO/G35WH. Saw other postings for FO/G3SWH. I am sure that I copied correctly, was I mistaken?? Could this be G3SWH on Australs? Any info would be most apapreciated. 73, de KD1F [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net ---
Re: [DX-NEWS] Re FO/G35WH
--- Emil Tillona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I worked FO/G35WH. Saw other postings for FO/G3SWH. I am sure that I copied correctly, was I mistaken?? Could this be G3SWH on Australs? The French made a typographical error on his license. The license says G-thirty-five-WH. So that is the callsign he has been using. 73 - Jim AD1C = Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net ---
[DX-NEWS] Re : YA1BV YA1JA
Dear OM OP JA8RUZ Toshi and JK1KHT Kiba may be QRV as YA1JA until January 4th. QSL for YA1JA via JA1CQT. Another OP JA1PBV Sada will be in YA Kabul as YA1BV until mid January. OP JA1PBV gave us message by E-mail says that they were QRV in YA from Oct.17th last year then QSY to 5T5PBV and S07U. They were buck again to YA at Dec.18th then QRV may be above date. DX SUMMIT info. JA1WLO21295.0 YA1JA up5 via JA1CQT YA0645 02 Jan 2003 RU3AV 7006.0 YA1BV simplex VIA JA1PBV YA1807 31 Dec 2002 -- Japan DX News ,x. .::;"` ,:;+' [EMAIL PROTECTED] *;' http://www.jdxn.net DX" We have you be glad by DX Information !! " - Original Message - From: "Steve Lawrence" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "DX News" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:24 AM Subject: [DX-NEWS] YA1BV YA1JA YA1BV YA1JA. Anybody have any info on either or both of these ops? 73, Steve WB6RSE --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net --- --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net ---
[DX-NEWS] Re Hoax
Sorry Guys and GalsI should have checked it out first before I acted. Won't happen again. 73 de Adam Romanchuk..VE4SN --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net ---
[DX-NEWS] RE KP1 KP5
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[DX-NEWS] re: XR0X QSL status
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Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence
Well guys, I'll think its now the right time to give some information from the recent 7O1YGF operation. Wayne, N7NG/1 wrote: In the second case (7O1YGF) no documentation was ever submitted. Thats true! We were not able to get a piece of paper stating about the operation. That was NOT our fault. During our operation the Ministry of PTT received faxes and phone calls from amateurs around the world, asking for the legetimacy of our operation. One of the fax senders was DXCC Specialist Bill Moore, NC1L. This wasn't too helpfull. Wayne afterwards apologised for that. To get 7O1YGF credited for ARRL awards, Wayne want to have a written document either faxed or mailed from the Ministry of PTT in Sanaa DIRECTLY to ARRL Headquarter, not to us! As I'm not a newbie in dxing, I never heard before from such practice. Our operation was legal, verbal licence (Callsign 7O1YGF) was given to us upon arrival. They denied the second call (7O1II) for which we applied. We brought our equipment with us, total of 220 pounds, including two 5 element logperiodics. The operation site was in the diplomatic quarter in Sanaa, appr. 400 yards away from the HB9 and DL embassy. This area was heavily controlled by Police and Army day and night. Everybody could see our antennas, one was mounted on a 55ft tower and the other one top on a three story building. We where supervised by the Chief of the Secret Police twice. He didn't complain anything. What would be happened if our operation was not legal? After 9 days and 35k qso's we were forced by the Police to end our operation, what we did immediatly. Nobody was arrested and all of our equipment was taken out the country. Thats the story. AND our operation did not reflect badly on Amateur Radio but those who opposed. We know the callsigns and names. So, its on you to discuss if verbal permission is ok for any ARRL sponsored award or not. Hans, DK9KX one of the 7O1YGF team former calls: FR0ACC/G, DK9KX/S9, PY0ZSG, 5U7DX, 3D2CR, ZS9AAA/1, J59KX, N9KX/KH4 and some others Mills, Wayne N7NG wrote:: Hi guys, Here is something to think about... As far as Hrane, YT1AD is concerned, North Korea apparently gave him ample reason why he shouldn't transmit(!) It might be interesting to know why he wasn't allowed to transmit, but he wasn't, and we missed the opportunity. On the other hand, Ed, P5/4L4FN appears to have at least the tacit approval of the DPRK, as he continues to operate. We don't know why, and really we don't have any right to know. I guess DPRK can do anything it wants, and we will respect their wishes. Someone wrote ...how is it decided who is the appropriate authority? Shouldn't we be consistent? If YT1AD was denied permission by the appropriate authority, then how could that same authority grant permission to someone else? At least, it would seem reasonable to seek a suitable answer to that question from the prior operators who had permission from some appropriate authority. Consistency is what we would expect based on most of our experiences. It is what happens in most places, but not all. On the other hand, what right do we have to expect that a particular government in the World will be consistent? The World doesn't always work that way. We will fare better if we adapt to the conditions instead of demanding what we expect. Taking something off the list really isn't an option. Now this is a major point: ARRL does not want to encourage any activity that will reflect badly on Amateur Radio. If we were to issue credit for an operation against the wishes of the appropriate authority, Amateur Radio could suffer. Therefore, we would like to see tangible evidence that an Amateur Radio operation is not illegal. Think about that one for a while. This usually means a paper license, but not necessarily. North Korea is not the USA or France. As far as we know, Amateur Radio in the DPRK is not defined. To expect a license in writing like you get from the FCC may be unrealistic in some situations. In general, if someone in a high enough position says something is OK, and no one in a higher position says that it is not, it's probably OK. What happened in the first 7O case (7O1A) was that someone said it was OK, and then someone in a higher position said it was not OK. We are not in a position to argue. (In the second case (7O1YGF) no documentation was ever submitted, so no should be waiting for us to make a decision on accreditation.) Every case is different. Too many rules about these things don't help, and making comparisons to the way things are done in the US or Europe are meaningless. 73, Wayne, N7NG/1 --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/
Re: [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence
I fully agree with the proposal that if P5 authorities refuse twice to issue a written license, they should be removed from the list until the problem is resolved thru the ITU. Don't forget, Marti Lane left them a complete amateur radion station. 73 Russ W4UBC Jim wrote: I have a feeling this thread is going to DX-CHAT real quick. The problem is, that in the past, people have lied about what kind of authorization they had. The DXCC desk has a strict interpretation, but they are consistent and that is fair to all of us. Jim N4AL dl8aam wrote: From: Billy R. Gallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] This P5 thing has gone too far. If the country will not issue a written license verbal permission should be accepted or (...) Hi ! good idea, why should be a 'real' verbal licence invalid. ... --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/
Re: [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence
AND YET AGAIN, FORWARDED TO DX-CHAT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND COMMENTS. PLEASE RESPECT THE WISHES OF MANAGEMENT WHEN WE ASK THAT COMMENTARY/DISCUSSION/OPINION, ETC, NOT BE POSTED HERE ON THE DXR. There have been plenty of countries, over the years, that have been without amateur radio due to the political situation at the time. After the initial post, if you'd like to comment, post this: Additional comments will be moved to the DX-CHAT, then instead of hitting send and posting to DX-NEWS, cut and paste the following to the TO line: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You comments will be moved to the appropriate venue for continuation. It's so easy even my 11 year can do it..and has word 73, Steven - KF2TI Systems Administrator NJDXA DXR Reflector outgoing mail scanned with Norton's NAV2002 --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/
Re: [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence
FORWARDED TO DX-CHAT. Given the problems over the years, I believe it would be a dangerous precedent to accept verbal permissions to operate. 73, Steven - KF2TI Systems Administrator NJDXA DXR Reflector outgoing mail scanned with Norton's NAV2002 --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/
Re: [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence
Given the problems over the years, I believe it would be a dangerous precedent to accept verbal permissions to operate. If we cannot rely on people to even be in the country from which they claim to be operating, how can we expect them to remember or actually obtain real verbal permission to operate from the appropriate authorities? BTW, how is it decided who is the appropriate authority? Shouldn't we be consistent? If YT1AD was denied permission by the appropriate authority, then how could that same authority grant permission to someone else? At least, it would seem reasonable to seek a suitable answer to that question from the prior operators who had permission from some appropriate authority. A verbal permission is worth about as much as the paper on which it isn't written. Have patience. Good things come to he who waits... 73, Dennis K2SX Original Message - From: Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Russell Kellam Jr w4ubc@vi si.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence I don't understand your reasoning. There have been plenty of countries, over the years, that have been without amateur radio due to the political situation at the time. Prime examples: ZA and BY. They were on the country list, but inactive for a LONG time. It just seems like a case of sour grapes, or lack of instant gratification, as most of us weren't on the buddy list of the accredited operations. What I don't understand is why YT1AD was told not to transmit, and 4L4FN was apparently given a verbal OK. Also, if Ed is under UN auspices, why not be 4U/4L4FN, as was done in the middle east in the past? Also, in Ed's case, I believe all he should need to prove, since YT1AD was denied permission, is show he is operating from P5. 73, Barry W2UP On 13 Mar 2002 Russell Kellam Jr wrote: I fully agree with the proposal that if P5 authorities refuse twice to issue a written license, they should be removed from the list until the problem is resolved thru the ITU. Don't forget, Marti Lane left them a complete amateur radion station. 73 Russ W4UBC Jim wrote: I have a feeling this thread is going to DX-CHAT real quick. The problem is, that in the past, people have lied about what kind of authorization they had. The DXCC desk has a strict interpretation, but they are consistent and that is fair to all of us. Jim N4AL dl8aam wrote: From: Billy R. Gallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] This P5 thing has gone too far. If the country will not issue a written license verbal permission should be accepted or (...) Hi ! good idea, why should be a 'real' verbal licence invalid. ... --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newtown, PA Frankford Radio Club --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/
Re: [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence
I think Dennis has said it best. Have patience. Good things come to he who waits... I am remember the 5A/G3??? operation that happened when Libya was extremely rare and before the 5A1A DXpedition. If memory serves it was a few years afterwards that the operation was accredited. In this day and age of instant gratification perhaps some of us need to have some patience. Bernie, W3UR Dennis McAlpine wrote: Given the problems over the years, I believe it would be a dangerous precedent to accept verbal permissions to operate. If we cannot rely on people to even be in the country from which they claim to be operating, how can we expect them to remember or actually obtain real verbal permission to operate from the appropriate authorities? BTW, how is it decided who is the appropriate authority? Shouldn't we be consistent? If YT1AD was denied permission by the appropriate authority, then how could that same authority grant permission to someone else? At least, it would seem reasonable to seek a suitable answer to that question from the prior operators who had permission from some appropriate authority. A verbal permission is worth about as much as the paper on which it isn't written. Have patience. Good things come to he who waits... 73, Dennis K2SX Original Message - From: Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Russell Kellam Jr w4ubc@vi si.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence I don't understand your reasoning. There have been plenty of countries, over the years, that have been without amateur radio due to the political situation at the time. Prime examples: ZA and BY. They were on the country list, but inactive for a LONG time. It just seems like a case of sour grapes, or lack of instant gratification, as most of us weren't on the buddy list of the accredited operations. What I don't understand is why YT1AD was told not to transmit, and 4L4FN was apparently given a verbal OK. Also, if Ed is under UN auspices, why not be 4U/4L4FN, as was done in the middle east in the past? Also, in Ed's case, I believe all he should need to prove, since YT1AD was denied permission, is show he is operating from P5. 73, Barry W2UP On 13 Mar 2002 Russell Kellam Jr wrote: I fully agree with the proposal that if P5 authorities refuse twice to issue a written license, they should be removed from the list until the problem is resolved thru the ITU. Don't forget, Marti Lane left them a complete amateur radion station. 73 Russ W4UBC Jim wrote: I have a feeling this thread is going to DX-CHAT real quick. The problem is, that in the past, people have lied about what kind of authorization they had. The DXCC desk has a strict interpretation, but they are consistent and that is fair to all of us. Jim N4AL dl8aam wrote: From: Billy R. Gallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] This P5 thing has gone too far. If the country will not issue a written license verbal permission should be accepted or (...) Hi ! good idea, why should be a 'real' verbal licence invalid. ... --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newtown, PA Frankford Radio Club --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ -- Bernie McClenny, W3UR Every thing you need to know about keeping up with the latest DX news at http://www.dailydx.com Editor of - The Daily DX - The Weekly DX - How's DX --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post
Re: [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence
Well said, Bernie, I notice many of the most voiciferous are not in Ed's log. It would seem that in the very rigorous North Korean environment, no one would try to get on the air unless he had permission of some sort to operate. Hrane is an example of those that did not get on the air...I am sure there have been many others, over the years who faced the same fate as Hrane...while, Martti was successful...twice, albeit for brief periods. On the other hand, Ed has been on for over 4 months now, so he and his UN superiors must feel he has permission to operate. After all, he lives and works in P5 and would risk his freedom if he were violating their strict rules. Why aren't we celebrating his activity and being patient that he is doing everything reasonably possible to satisfy the deserving. DX IS! Al, W5IZ --- Bernie McClenny, W3UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Dennis has said it best. Have patience. Good things come to he who waits... __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/
RE: [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence
Hi guys, Here is something to think about... As far as Hrane, YT1AD is concerned, North Korea apparently gave him ample reason why he shouldn't transmit(!) It might be interesting to know why he wasn't allowed to transmit, but he wasn't, and we missed the opportunity. On the other hand, Ed, P5/4L4FN appears to have at least the tacit approval of the DPRK, as he continues to operate. We don't know why, and really we don't have any right to know. I guess DPRK can do anything it wants, and we will respect their wishes. Someone wrote ...how is it decided who is the appropriate authority? Shouldn't we be consistent? If YT1AD was denied permission by the appropriate authority, then how could that same authority grant permission to someone else? At least, it would seem reasonable to seek a suitable answer to that question from the prior operators who had permission from some appropriate authority. Consistency is what we would expect based on most of our experiences. It is what happens in most places, but not all. On the other hand, what right do we have to expect that a particular government in the World will be consistent? The World doesn't always work that way. We will fare better if we adapt to the conditions instead of demanding what we expect. Taking something off the list really isn't an option. Now this is a major point: ARRL does not want to encourage any activity that will reflect badly on Amateur Radio. If we were to issue credit for an operation against the wishes of the appropriate authority, Amateur Radio could suffer. Therefore, we would like to see tangible evidence that an Amateur Radio operation is not illegal. Think about that one for a while. This usually means a paper license, but not necessarily. North Korea is not the USA or France. As far as we know, Amateur Radio in the DPRK is not defined. To expect a license in writing like you get from the FCC may be unrealistic in some situations. In general, if someone in a high enough position says something is OK, and no one in a higher position says that it is not, it's probably OK. What happened in the first 7O case (7O1A) was that someone said it was OK, and then someone in a higher position said it was not OK. We are not in a position to argue. (In the second case (7O1YGF) no documentation was ever submitted, so no should be waiting for us to make a decision on accreditation.) Every case is different. Too many rules about these things don't help, and making comparisons to the way things are done in the US or Europe are meaningless. 73, Wayne, N7NG/1 --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/
Re: [DX-NEWS] re: Verbal licence
I have a feeling this thread is going to DX-CHAT real quick. The problem is, that in the past, people have lied about what kind of authorization they had. The DXCC desk has a strict interpretation, but they are consistent and that is fair to all of us. Jim N4AL dl8aam wrote: From: Billy R. Gallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] This P5 thing has gone too far. If the country will not issue a written license verbal permission should be accepted or (...) Hi ! good idea, why should be a 'real' verbal licence invalid. ... --- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems, etc DX-NEWS http://njdxa.org/dx-news DX-CHAT: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/
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