[Dx4win] DX4WIN
Hi, Having read most, most likely all, messages I want to share some of my thoughts. 1. Automatic uploads, possibly one QSO at a time, is not in my plans. My main reason is that I expect that it requires more support than I'm willing to provide. If something goes wrong, they call or write me while it may have nothing to do with DX4WIN. Think about issues with certificate changes, server not responsive etc. I simply do not have the time or desire to add this to my support load. Using an ADIF file is a nice separation between DX4WIN and other applications processing such file. Note that I get plenty of emails regarding lost or misplaced license files etc. A number of users do not like to use the reflector for a support question, so I field those. 2. Interfacing with other applications UDP Have to admit, that so far I have not found out how to do this. I would like to support such an interface. Jim, AD1C, provides great support maintaining the country database, the custom awards etc etc. He also helps users that ask him for help. I also want to recognize the users of the reflector who are willing to put in their time to help other users. I think some of you have the wrong idea about the company behind DX4WIN. It is literally a one-man show. I'm retired and I'm glad to have a reasonable retirement income. Income from DX4WIN is nice but it does not feed the family! Stay Safe --Paul, KK4HD __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fw: Re: Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
Well put Jerry. --* SPOILER ALERT -- what follows is somewhat long and detailed and carries quite technical language. If that bores you.LOOK AWAYlook away!* When I made my earlier post complementing the software, I didn't expect the small wave of negative rebuttals I would get. Ahhh, but I should have known better and anticipated that. I'll use a very good example. I used to run large motorcycle rallies for many years. It required numerous hours of research, then numerous hours of on the ground research, which required multiple trips to "Ground Zero" for the rally.all by the way on my dime.requiring me to burn up vacation time..pay for travel, hotels, etc. Pounding the ground to work with the Chamber of Commerce, the Police Department, the Hotel for the rally, City leaders, restaurantsthe prep work goes on and on. Reach out to vendors to get door prizes. Then pack all this stuff up and go to the rally when it actually occurred. Then work the majority of the time at the rallycountless hours. It was exhausting. Andhere's my point (and THE CORRELATION TO DX4WIN) - at the end of the rally, you'd typically have a FEW people complement you and tell you what a terrific job you had done (these were quite often the people who had experience putting on similar events and KNEW firsthand the hard work and countless hours involved). You'd have likewise a few squeaky wheels. who blasted you.usually about something like "you gave me $100, but you gave it to me in $1 billsand I'm going to complain now long and loud". Typically, the negative "whiners" are the ones everyone hears, of course. And thenTHE VAST MAJORITYsay nothing. No thankyou, no whining...they just expected a great "product"got itand they're happy and content and just go on their merry way. And that.when I got a few loud/vocal complaints from the usual suspectsa few compliments from the usual suspectsand mostly heard NOTHING.that was exactly when I knew I had put on a quite successful event. And from my experience, that's the same thing that goes on in most things in life. The majority just take things for granted. Whether it's free, costs money.doesn't really matter. You typically hear the few compliments, the few complaints..and mostly, a "bunch of nothing". I wanted to be one of the ones complimenting, because I know a lot about what it takes to pull it off. To put it in specifics (*LOOK AWAY if you're neither Technical, nor care about what I have to say - *), in the software worldyou have a bunch of user requirements. You, the Coder (or company doing the coding), have to prioritize what you can address and how much time you have to address it. In the Government, they have large boards that meet quarterly or annually and prioritize these requirements. But it's not that simple. You have Problem Reports (PRs) that get prioritized. Usually on a scale of 1-5. With 1s and 2s being high priority...typically MUST fix type stuff. You know, the code is BROKE type stuff. Stuff that's lower...like 3-5 priority stuffis stuff that can wait, or you find a Known Problem and Workaround (KP). Likesome of the posts here about being able to upload stuff to LOTW with a few clicks or steps. Is it automatic like some want? No. But it's a KP's a workaround. So often, as it's Priority is between 3-5, it gets moved back DOWN the priority list to fix. Stuff left over from prior boards often become Deficiency Reports (DRs). Now, they MUST be brought up at the next board when determining priorities. You get the picture. It's more complex than meets the eye. Granted, a logging program isn't as involved (perhaps) as an operating system for millions of folks, but it's more complex than first thought perhaps? Then you have to build Use Cases for all the requirements you're going to address. How will they actually be implemented. Then figure out how your'e going to Code it once you have Use Cases. And then the real fun part. TESTING. You have to do System Integration Testing (SIT). Does the code load properly? Is it able to boot up and the main functions work? Now no doubt the most demanding part of Testing.Regression Testing or ROT. Did i break something. Sure, we seemed to have added some new features. But all this stuff has to work together. You'll never hear the end of the complaints from those same "loud folks" if you broke something that worked perfectly before! And what makes ROT especially hardand quite TIME DEMANDINGis attempting to predict all the negative things that can be done to the code to break it. What if this user puts letters in a date box? What does it do? Does it give an error message? Does it break the code and require a reboot? ALL POSSIBLE INPUTS...have to be documentedscripted for testing.and then tested and documented. Didn't get the results you expected? Something breaks with an unexpected input. Back to coding again. And again. And again. Every
Re: [Dx4win] Fw: Re: Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
Sure, I would be willing to pay for it. Can Paul give me a quote? Dave, N4QS -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jerry N9AW Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 3:53 PM To: Paul F6EXV Cc: DX4WIN Reflector Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fw: Re: Very Satisfied with DX4WIN And if Paul (developer) were to implement these things you ask for, would you be willing to pay for it? The man and his family have to eat too. Or how about this, would you be willing to pay an annual fee for upgrades to DX4WIN ? Other loggers with robust features demand this. I too am a very long time user of DX4WIN. I don't recall the year I started using it but it seems like the early 90s. As I recall, Paul said long ago that he was freezing any further development of DX4WIN. That lasted for a long time. When we went from vers 8 to vers 9, I considered that a gift. I can't even recall if we paid to get the new version, if we did it was something like $35. For someone to whine and complain that they want their money's worth, I mean come on. I'm sure you'd throw $35 over the bar in one evening or spend that for a mediocre lunch. The other thing to consider is that perhaps Paul does not have time to devote to DX4WIN. Maybe, he has just lost interest. Here's a thought, write to Paul direct in stead of the user group. We're not the ones that will be doing any develop of DX4WIN. 73 Jerry, N9AW On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:38 AM Paul F6EXV wrote: > rue Bruce, the search is just great with DX4Win. > But the program is not being adapted to the changes in our ham world... > FT8, LoTW, Clublog... > Is it that hard to implement these improvements ? > All other programs do that, why can't Clublog do it too ? Is it that hard ? > > But no matter what we Europeans say about it, there will still be no > reaction from the developpers. > I fully agree with Ricardo : if we are not informed of the future of > DX4Win, we will leave... > The fact we "insist" indicated that, yes, we like DX4Win, vut we could > like it even more if we were listened to > > 73 > Paul F6EXV > > Le 16/04/2020 à 17:27, Bruce Blackley a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with Mike and Tim. I have gotten into discussions with > several > > of my friends over the phone that use other logging programs. If I > > ask > them > > a question about how many countries they have confirmed on a certain > band or > > some other information, they muddle around and can't figure out how > > to > pull > > out the information they need. In Dx4Win you can search for just > > about > any > > information you need,in most cases,in a matter of seconds . What > > good is > a > > logging program if you can't track your progress the way you want. > > Dx4Win does everything I need it to and more. If it's not broken, don't fix > > it. > > Unless you are the Government. Then you fix it until it is broke. > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > WD4LBR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---Original Message--- > > > > > > > > From: Michael Mathis > > > > Date: 4/16/2020 11:03:17 AM > > > > To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net > > > > Subject: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN > > > > > > > > I am very satisfied with DX4WIN: User since 1999, never posted to > > group - silent majority? Minority?? Whatever, it matters not. I like > > it! Avid > DXer > > and very casual contester. Upgrades are welcome and appreciated. > > Freedom > to > > choose the program that we like and prefer is wonderful! Thank you > > Paul > and > > Jim! > > > > > > > > Mike, N4MIK > > > > __ > > > > DX4WIN mailing list > > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > __ > DX4WIN mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fw: Re: Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
And if Paul (developer) were to implement these things you ask for, would you be willing to pay for it? The man and his family have to eat too. Or how about this, would you be willing to pay an annual fee for upgrades to DX4WIN ? Other loggers with robust features demand this. I too am a very long time user of DX4WIN. I don't recall the year I started using it but it seems like the early 90s. As I recall, Paul said long ago that he was freezing any further development of DX4WIN. That lasted for a long time. When we went from vers 8 to vers 9, I considered that a gift. I can't even recall if we paid to get the new version, if we did it was something like $35. For someone to whine and complain that they want their money's worth, I mean come on. I'm sure you'd throw $35 over the bar in one evening or spend that for a mediocre lunch. The other thing to consider is that perhaps Paul does not have time to devote to DX4WIN. Maybe, he has just lost interest. Here's a thought, write to Paul direct in stead of the user group. We're not the ones that will be doing any develop of DX4WIN. 73 Jerry, N9AW On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:38 AM Paul F6EXV wrote: > rue Bruce, the search is just great with DX4Win. > But the program is not being adapted to the changes in our ham world... > FT8, LoTW, Clublog... > Is it that hard to implement these improvements ? > All other programs do that, why can't Clublog do it too ? Is it that hard ? > > But no matter what we Europeans say about it, there will still be no > reaction from the developpers. > I fully agree with Ricardo : if we are not informed of the future of > DX4Win, we will leave... > The fact we "insist" indicated that, yes, we like DX4Win, vut we could > like it even more if we were listened to > > 73 > Paul F6EXV > > Le 16/04/2020 à 17:27, Bruce Blackley a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with Mike and Tim. I have gotten into discussions with > several > > of my friends over the phone that use other logging programs. If I ask > them > > a question about how many countries they have confirmed on a certain > band or > > some other information, they muddle around and can't figure out how to > pull > > out the information they need. In Dx4Win you can search for just about > any > > information you need,in most cases,in a matter of seconds . What good is > a > > logging program if you can't track your progress the way you want. Dx4Win > > does everything I need it to and more. If it's not broken, don't fix it. > > Unless you are the Government. Then you fix it until it is broke. > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > WD4LBR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---Original Message--- > > > > > > > > From: Michael Mathis > > > > Date: 4/16/2020 11:03:17 AM > > > > To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net > > > > Subject: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN > > > > > > > > I am very satisfied with DX4WIN: User since 1999, never posted to group - > > silent majority? Minority?? Whatever, it matters not. I like it! Avid > DXer > > and very casual contester. Upgrades are welcome and appreciated. Freedom > to > > choose the program that we like and prefer is wonderful! Thank you Paul > and > > Jim! > > > > > > > > Mike, N4MIK > > > > __ > > > > DX4WIN mailing list > > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > __ > DX4WIN mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
There is no reason why we all have to be resigned to the fact that DX4WIN must be frozen in time and there will never be any more enhancements. Paul, after a seven year hiatus, recently added FT4 and FT8 as new modes and provided support for QRZ.COM XML integration, along with some other nice features like automatic updates. For those of us you are weak signal DX enthusiasts, we would like to see UDP Broadcast support so that we can automatically import digital contacts from WSJT-X. This is a major feature that is now supported by almost all other logging programs. DX4WIN has for years provided a very nice, seamless integration between MMTTY and DX4WIN. Providing the same for WSJT-X is all that we are asking. It is a major feature that is vitally needed, especially as the summer E season approaches on 6 meters. Last summer there were several openings on 6m from the Midwest in NA into Europe where my entire screen in WSJT-X was lit up in red. I needed to know in real time which stations were new countries for me on 6M (any mode), but I had to hand type each call into the QSO window of DX4WIN. This was very hectic and awkward when so many were calling at once. I basically had to ignore DX4WIN and work the pile up in WSJT-X. After the dust settled, I then imported the ADI file from WSJT-X into DX4WIN to find out if I had worked any new ones. I have recently tested another logging program that handles this integration between WSJT-X and the logger very nicely. The two programs talk to each other exchanging data via UDP broadcast. A window from the general logger displays the calls from WSJT-X and tells you which ones are new for DXCC. If you click on a call in WSJT-X to begin calling that station, the callsign is immediately put into the Callsign field of the general logger. A QRZ.COM XML lookup takes place from the logger and the station's info is displayed so that you can again confirm callsign, locations, grid, etc.--all while the contact in WSJT-X is taking place. Then when the contact is over and added to the log in WSJT-X, it is also immediately added in the logging program. You can immediately send a spot if desired. All of this happens very fast and seamlessly between the two programs -- very similar to how MMTTY is currently integrated into DX4WIN. Some may ask why I just don't go with the other logging program if I like it so much. I actually prefer many other features within DX4WIN mainly because it can easily accommodate my 187,000+ contacts without getting too slow and because it also provides group support for my DX-pedition calls. And yes, the country and awards databases maintained by Jim, AD1C, are the best. Thank you Jim. But the one glaring weakness in DX4WIN, based on the current standard among virtually all actively supported logging programs, is the lack of UDP broadcast support for communicating with other programs like WSJT-X and FlDigi. I might add that the other popular loggers also offer the option to automatically upload to many services such as Lotw, Clublog, QRZ.com and others. This summer, as 6 meters heats up, it would be nice to have the option to turn on automatic updates to Clublog so that each contact is immediately uploaded to Clublog. That way DX stations on the other end can use the link on my QRZ.com page to see if they made it into may log. I have used this feature in Belize and Grand Cayman using N1MM+ and it worked very well. All the other loggers provide the option to turn UDP broadcast support on or off and the same goes for automatic updates to Lotw or Clublog. So, for those users of DX4WIN who do not have any interest in these features, Paul should allow them to simply not turn them on. In short, UDP broadcast support is a current standard within the hobby that needs to be incorporated into DX4WIN. I hope that we can use this forum to continue to discuss new enhancements as our fascinating hobby continues to evolve. 73, Dave, N4QS -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of WA7AA Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 11:25 AM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN On 16-Apr-20 08:02, Michael Mathis wrote: > I am very satisfied with DX4WIN: User since 1999, never posted to group - silent majority? Minority?? Whatever, it matters not. I like it! Avid DXer and very casual contester. Upgrades are welcome and appreciated. Freedom to choose the program that we like and prefer is wonderful! Thank you Paul and Jim! > > Mike, N4MIK It seems now almost mandatory that every few years we get a few people theatrically "leaving DX4Win" after not getting "upgrades". When pressed on what those upgrades should be, the answer is either silence or a vague hand motion about FT8 or some other digital flavor-of-the-day-mode integration. Interestingly, when this happens, the bells-and-whistles logger of choice seems to be different every time. This is always followed by the
Re: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
I must say I have also been a dx4win user for 20+ years and I have always been very satisfied with it's operation. That being said I have tried all the programs a fore mentioned here in the past couple of years. I will not attempt to name them all. I am sure each is a good program and each has it's merits but the only logging program on my computer at this point is dx4win and will continue to be my go to general logger. It does every thing I need and hope it is around for the duration. 120,000 Qs plus. 73, Bob, K5BG On 4/16/2020 11:25 AM, WA7AA wrote: On 16-Apr-20 08:02, Michael Mathis wrote: I am very satisfied with DX4WIN: User since 1999, never posted to group - silent majority? Minority?? Whatever, it matters not. I like it! Avid DXer and very casual contester. Upgrades are welcome and appreciated. Freedom to choose the program that we like and prefer is wonderful! Thank you Paul and Jim! Mike, N4MIK It seems now almost mandatory that every few years we get a few people theatrically "leaving DX4Win" after not getting "upgrades". When pressed on what those upgrades should be, the answer is either silence or a vague hand motion about FT8 or some other digital flavor-of-the-day-mode integration. Interestingly, when this happens, the bells-and-whistles logger of choice seems to be different every time. This is always followed by the obligatory "if it wasn't for AD1C...", but as invaluable as Jim's hard work is, it is never explained just how these other magical loggers are supposedly doing the same callsign/manager database maintenance without his divine intervention. Do we seriously need to compromise simplicity, reliability, and familiarity of the logger we've been using for decades for an ever increasing number of digital modes, online QSO repositories or whatever will become a fad down the road? My vote is no. Leave DX4Win be. 73 & stay safe, everyone. Zoran WA7AA __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- "I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without,but because of the insidious forces working from within." Douglas McArthur __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] WAZ
Hello Luc, Try this: File > Awards > WAZ > Confirmation. Make sure both QSL Card and LoTW are checked. When DX4WIN was written, WAZ did not accept LoTW confirmations. -- 73, Mike Cizek W0VTT -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Luc Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 11:14 To: REFLECTOR dx4win Subject: [Dx4win] WAZ Hello. A doubt. I have just been confirmed via LoTW a QSO of the year 1999, and curiously it is one of the zones that I was missing in 10 meters, just zone 18. I import the LoTW file into the DX4WIN, and indeed, when going to that QSO, the Y of confirmed appears in the LoTW box. Later I ask for a report from WAZ, Needed Listing, and I choose the 10 meter band, and the report shows me the zone 18 W. What am I doing wrong? Regards. EA8AM -- Si reenvía este correo, es OBLIGACIÓN LEGAL según la "Agencia Española de Protección de Datos de Carácter Personal" proteger la intimidad de sus contactos, para ello y para evitar SPAM (correo no deseado) hay que seguir los siguientes pasos: 1.- Borre la dirección del remitente y cualquier otra dirección que aparezca en el cuerpo del mensaje. 2.- Introduzca los destinatarios en el apartado CCO (CON COPIA OCULTA) Recuerde: Para: Déjelo en blanco. Ccc: Déjelo en blanco. Cco: Incluya aquí a sus destinatarios. Coloque esta nota en sus mensajes. GRACIAS POR COLABORAR. __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
On 16-Apr-20 08:02, Michael Mathis wrote: I am very satisfied with DX4WIN: User since 1999, never posted to group - silent majority? Minority?? Whatever, it matters not. I like it! Avid DXer and very casual contester. Upgrades are welcome and appreciated. Freedom to choose the program that we like and prefer is wonderful! Thank you Paul and Jim! Mike, N4MIK It seems now almost mandatory that every few years we get a few people theatrically "leaving DX4Win" after not getting "upgrades". When pressed on what those upgrades should be, the answer is either silence or a vague hand motion about FT8 or some other digital flavor-of-the-day-mode integration. Interestingly, when this happens, the bells-and-whistles logger of choice seems to be different every time. This is always followed by the obligatory "if it wasn't for AD1C...", but as invaluable as Jim's hard work is, it is never explained just how these other magical loggers are supposedly doing the same callsign/manager database maintenance without his divine intervention. Do we seriously need to compromise simplicity, reliability, and familiarity of the logger we've been using for decades for an ever increasing number of digital modes, online QSO repositories or whatever will become a fad down the road? My vote is no. Leave DX4Win be. 73 & stay safe, everyone. Zoran WA7AA __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Dx4win] WAZ
Hello. A doubt. I have just been confirmed via LoTW a QSO of the year 1999, and curiously it is one of the zones that I was missing in 10 meters, just zone 18. I import the LoTW file into the DX4WIN, and indeed, when going to that QSO, the Y of confirmed appears in the LoTW box. Later I ask for a report from WAZ, Needed Listing, and I choose the 10 meter band, and the report shows me the zone 18 W. What am I doing wrong? Regards. EA8AM -- Si reenvía este correo, es OBLIGACIÓN LEGAL según la "Agencia Española de Protección de Datos de Carácter Personal" proteger la intimidad de sus contactos, para ello y para evitar SPAM (correo no deseado) hay que seguir los siguientes pasos: 1.- Borre la dirección del remitente y cualquier otra dirección que aparezca en el cuerpo del mensaje. 2.- Introduzca los destinatarios en el apartado CCO (CON COPIA OCULTA) Recuerde: Para: Déjelo en blanco. Ccc: Déjelo en blanco. Cco: Incluya aquí a sus destinatarios. Coloque esta nota en sus mensajes. GRACIAS POR COLABORAR. __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fw: Re: Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
As long as you are happy with whatever logging program you are using and you are having fun with the hobby, that's all that matters. Some people drive Fords and some people drive Chevrolets. What ever turns you on. The main thing is, have fun. 73 Bruce WD4LBR ---Original Message--- From: Paul F6EXV Date: 4/16/2020 11:38:03 AM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fw: Re: Very Satisfied with DX4WIN rue Bruce, the search is just great with DX4Win. But the program is not being adapted to the changes in our ham world... FT8, LoTW, Clublog... Is it that hard to implement these improvements ? All other programs do that, why can't Clublog do it too ? Is it that hard ? But no matter what we Europeans say about it, there will still be no reaction from the developpers. I fully agree with Ricardo : if we are not informed of the future of DX4Win, we will leave... The fact we "insist" indicated that, yes, we like DX4Win, vut we could like it even more if we were listened to 73 Paul F6EXV Le 16/04/2020 à 17:27, Bruce Blackley a écrit : > > > > > I agree 100% with Mike and Tim. I have gotten into discussions with several > of my friends over the phone that use other logging programs. If I ask them > a question about how many countries they have confirmed on a certain band or > some other information, they muddle around and can't figure out how to pull > out the information they need. In Dx4Win you can search for just about any > information you need,in most cases,in a matter of seconds . What good is a > logging program if you can't track your progress the way you want. Dx4Win > does everything I need it to and more. If it's not broken, don't fix it. > Unless you are the Government. Then you fix it until it is broke. > > > > 73 > > > > Bruce > > > > WD4LBR > > > > > > > > ---Original Message--- > > > > From: Michael Mathis > > Date: 4/16/2020 11:03:17 AM > > To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN > > > > I am very satisfied with DX4WIN: User since 1999, never posted to group - > silent majority? Minority?? Whatever, it matters not. I like it! Avid DXer > and very casual contester. Upgrades are welcome and appreciated. Freedom to > choose the program that we like and prefer is wonderful! Thank you Paul and > Jim! > > > > Mike, N4MIK > > __ > > DX4WIN mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fw: Re: Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
rue Bruce, the search is just great with DX4Win. But the program is not being adapted to the changes in our ham world... FT8, LoTW, Clublog... Is it that hard to implement these improvements ? All other programs do that, why can't Clublog do it too ? Is it that hard ? But no matter what we Europeans say about it, there will still be no reaction from the developpers. I fully agree with Ricardo : if we are not informed of the future of DX4Win, we will leave... The fact we "insist" indicated that, yes, we like DX4Win, vut we could like it even more if we were listened to 73 Paul F6EXV Le 16/04/2020 à 17:27, Bruce Blackley a écrit : I agree 100% with Mike and Tim. I have gotten into discussions with several of my friends over the phone that use other logging programs. If I ask them a question about how many countries they have confirmed on a certain band or some other information, they muddle around and can't figure out how to pull out the information they need. In Dx4Win you can search for just about any information you need,in most cases,in a matter of seconds . What good is a logging program if you can't track your progress the way you want. Dx4Win does everything I need it to and more. If it's not broken, don't fix it. Unless you are the Government. Then you fix it until it is broke. 73 Bruce WD4LBR ---Original Message--- From: Michael Mathis Date: 4/16/2020 11:03:17 AM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN I am very satisfied with DX4WIN: User since 1999, never posted to group - silent majority? Minority?? Whatever, it matters not. I like it! Avid DXer and very casual contester. Upgrades are welcome and appreciated. Freedom to choose the program that we like and prefer is wonderful! Thank you Paul and Jim! Mike, N4MIK __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Dx4win] Fw: Re: Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
I agree 100% with Mike and Tim. I have gotten into discussions with several of my friends over the phone that use other logging programs. If I ask them a question about how many countries they have confirmed on a certain band or some other information, they muddle around and can't figure out how to pull out the information they need. In Dx4Win you can search for just about any information you need,in most cases,in a matter of seconds . What good is a logging program if you can't track your progress the way you want. Dx4Win does everything I need it to and more. If it's not broken, don't fix it. Unless you are the Government. Then you fix it until it is broke. 73 Bruce WD4LBR ---Original Message--- From: Michael Mathis Date: 4/16/2020 11:03:17 AM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN I am very satisfied with DX4WIN: User since 1999, never posted to group - silent majority? Minority?? Whatever, it matters not. I like it! Avid DXer and very casual contester. Upgrades are welcome and appreciated. Freedom to choose the program that we like and prefer is wonderful! Thank you Paul and Jim! Mike, N4MIK __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
I agree 100% with Mike and Tim. I have gotten into discussions with several of my friends over the phone that use other logging programs. If I ask them a question about how many countries they have confirmed on a certain band or some other information, they muddle around and can't figure out how to pull out the information they need. In Dx4Win you can search for just about any information you need,in most cases,in a matter of seconds . What good is a logging program if you can't track your progress the way you want. Dx4Win does everything I need it to and more. If it's not broken, don't fix it. Unless you are the Government. Then you fix it until it is broke. 73 Bruce WD4LBR ---Original Message--- From: Michael Mathis Date: 4/16/2020 11:03:17 AM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN I am very satisfied with DX4WIN: User since 1999, never posted to group - silent majority? Minority?? Whatever, it matters not. I like it! Avid DXer and very casual contester. Upgrades are welcome and appreciated. Freedom to choose the program that we like and prefer is wonderful! Thank you Paul and Jim! Mike, N4MIK __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Goodbay Dx4win
Hello Tim I love DX4Win I've been user for many years, maybe not as much as you that is because I'm younger I'm not Electrical Engenieer and I never programmed anything but my timetable... But I know one thing you could be the best Engenieer or programmer in the world but you are not a great sales manager No one are talking about bad issues of DX4Win, We Just want to know what the future is... If you want to be stacked in the past is your choice, but let younger users to ask for some improvements.. .It seem that everytime a user ask for something some one of you become pissed of, I can't understand why... I work to serve others and we alwaays say that the customers opiniond make us improve and we need to hear them But not here?? Why? because you are a happy user??? F..k the rest because it is perfect for me .Is a good policy to stay alone. The major improvement of DX4WIN was the last year and bring us only the FT8 mode and some other minor updates, we only ask for some improvements , two or three because we love this program The attitude is no leave them alone, the right attitude is fight for us. One thing is true unhappy customers that complain look for an improvement and they want to stay or come back, unhappy customers that don't complain never comeback , you have lost them Hav a nice day walking over your green grass in you pastures. El jue., 16 abr. 2020 a las 16:03, Tim moore () escribió: > To those "leaving" DX4WIN.I'll say Goodbye to you, adios.and > hope you find greener grass in other pastures. > > Me, I'm delighted with DX4WINhave been for .I can't count how > many years25 or more I do believe. I have worked in the IT > industry for over 35 years as an Electrical Engineer and the last > almost 10 years in Software Development. No software is PERFECT. I see > updates/patches from DX4WIN often. I've gotten support any time I > needed it. I've gotten MORE than what I paid for. Do they implement > EVERY function or capability that every customer asks for? NO. No > software does that. They all have pros and constrade-offs. > > So I'm delighted with DX4WIN and what it offers and I'm going > absolutely nowhere. For those leaving, bye bye baby. Don't let the > door hit ya' on the way out...you're free to spend your money > anywhere you like. I hope you find happinessbut for some, after > dealing with customers for many, many years in this industry.I > know some of you will never be satisfied. That's just the way it > is.. > > Just figured with so many vocal folks voicing their opinion out there > and complainingit was time some of us who love the product spoke > up. We're free to do that and support it too, of course.just like > the nay-sayers.. > > 73/K4TK > > > > Tim Moore > PMP > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:53 AM Branko Gracin > wrote: > > > > Goodbye Norma Jean, goodbye DX4win. > > After much deliberation, I decided that DX4win was no longer my choice > > after 20+ years of use. The main reason is Paul's lack of collaboration > and > > waiting for updates on the dropper. We all paid this program fairly and > > stayed on it thanks to the JIm AD1C. Without his support, DX4win would > have > > been retired long ago. I made my money honestly, so I expect to get what > I > > paid for it, no more or less. > > Thank goodness today we can find many freeware programs that offer much > > more. > > Greetings to all with the hope of meeting you at the bands. > > BTW my choice is Log4om V2. > > > > 73, Branko 9A7YY > > __ > > DX4WIN mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > DX4WIN mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- EA4M Ricardo Navarrete ricardoea...@gmail.com *CWops : 1070* *POR FAVOR, SI VAS A REENVIAR ESTE CORREO, TEN EN CUENTA LOS SIGUIENTES PUNTOS:1.- Borra la dirección e-mail del remitente así como cualquier otra dirección e-mail que aparezca en el cuerpo del mensaje.2.- Protege frente a terceros a todos los destinatarios de tus mensajes colocando sus direcciones en la línea de CCO (Con Copia Oculta).* *Combatir el spam es tarea de todos.* *Gracias por tu colaboración.* __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:
[Dx4win] Very Satisfied with DX4WIN
I am very satisfied with DX4WIN: User since 1999, never posted to group - silent majority? Minority?? Whatever, it matters not. I like it! Avid DXer and very casual contester. Upgrades are welcome and appreciated. Freedom to choose the program that we like and prefer is wonderful! Thank you Paul and Jim! Mike, N4MIK __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Goodbay Dx4win
Tim It is not a question of being satisfied, it is a question of being totally ignored by the developpers. Yes, DX4Win does a lot of nice things, it does everything most hams expect from a logging program. But any request for update is totally ignored : no reply whatsoever. But I am repeating myself, I think... Any company that would not respond (one way or another) to its customers' remarks is bound for bankrupcy... 73 Paul F6EXV (DX4Win user for ... 25 years maybe...) Le 16/04/2020 à 16:02, Tim moore a écrit : To those "leaving" DX4WIN.I'll say Goodbye to you, adios.and hope you find greener grass in other pastures. Me, I'm delighted with DX4WINhave been for .I can't count how many years25 or more I do believe. I have worked in the IT industry for over 35 years as an Electrical Engineer and the last almost 10 years in Software Development. No software is PERFECT. I see updates/patches from DX4WIN often. I've gotten support any time I needed it. I've gotten MORE than what I paid for. Do they implement EVERY function or capability that every customer asks for? NO. No software does that. They all have pros and constrade-offs. So I'm delighted with DX4WIN and what it offers and I'm going absolutely nowhere. For those leaving, bye bye baby. Don't let the door hit ya' on the way out...you're free to spend your money anywhere you like. I hope you find happinessbut for some, after dealing with customers for many, many years in this industry.I know some of you will never be satisfied. That's just the way it is.. Just figured with so many vocal folks voicing their opinion out there and complainingit was time some of us who love the product spoke up. We're free to do that and support it too, of course.just like the nay-sayers.. 73/K4TK Tim Moore PMP On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:53 AM Branko Gracin wrote: Goodbye Norma Jean, goodbye DX4win. After much deliberation, I decided that DX4win was no longer my choice after 20+ years of use. The main reason is Paul's lack of collaboration and waiting for updates on the dropper. We all paid this program fairly and stayed on it thanks to the JIm AD1C. Without his support, DX4win would have been retired long ago. I made my money honestly, so I expect to get what I paid for it, no more or less. Thank goodness today we can find many freeware programs that offer much more. Greetings to all with the hope of meeting you at the bands. BTW my choice is Log4om V2. 73, Branko 9A7YY __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Goodbay Dx4win
To those "leaving" DX4WIN.I'll say Goodbye to you, adios.and hope you find greener grass in other pastures. Me, I'm delighted with DX4WINhave been for .I can't count how many years25 or more I do believe. I have worked in the IT industry for over 35 years as an Electrical Engineer and the last almost 10 years in Software Development. No software is PERFECT. I see updates/patches from DX4WIN often. I've gotten support any time I needed it. I've gotten MORE than what I paid for. Do they implement EVERY function or capability that every customer asks for? NO. No software does that. They all have pros and constrade-offs. So I'm delighted with DX4WIN and what it offers and I'm going absolutely nowhere. For those leaving, bye bye baby. Don't let the door hit ya' on the way out...you're free to spend your money anywhere you like. I hope you find happinessbut for some, after dealing with customers for many, many years in this industry.I know some of you will never be satisfied. That's just the way it is.. Just figured with so many vocal folks voicing their opinion out there and complainingit was time some of us who love the product spoke up. We're free to do that and support it too, of course.just like the nay-sayers.. 73/K4TK Tim Moore PMP On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:53 AM Branko Gracin wrote: > > Goodbye Norma Jean, goodbye DX4win. > After much deliberation, I decided that DX4win was no longer my choice > after 20+ years of use. The main reason is Paul's lack of collaboration and > waiting for updates on the dropper. We all paid this program fairly and > stayed on it thanks to the JIm AD1C. Without his support, DX4win would have > been retired long ago. I made my money honestly, so I expect to get what I > paid for it, no more or less. > Thank goodness today we can find many freeware programs that offer much > more. > Greetings to all with the hope of meeting you at the bands. > BTW my choice is Log4om V2. > > 73, Branko 9A7YY > __ > DX4WIN mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Goodbay Dx4win
I agree with what Branko wrote. I've had DX4WIN since I bought it with floppy disks. I spent money but no new features, I chose Swisslog. Hi Fabrizio IK6DLK Il giorno gio 16 apr 2020 alle ore 08:53 Branko Gracin < branko.9a...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Goodbye Norma Jean, goodbye DX4win. > After much deliberation, I decided that DX4win was no longer my choice > after 20+ years of use. The main reason is Paul's lack of collaboration and > waiting for updates on the dropper. We all paid this program fairly and > stayed on it thanks to the JIm AD1C. Without his support, DX4win would have > been retired long ago. I made my money honestly, so I expect to get what I > paid for it, no more or less. > Thank goodness today we can find many freeware programs that offer much > more. > Greetings to all with the hope of meeting you at the bands. > BTW my choice is Log4om V2. > > 73, Branko 9A7YY > __ > DX4WIN mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Dx4win] Goodbay Dx4win
Goodbye Norma Jean, goodbye DX4win. After much deliberation, I decided that DX4win was no longer my choice after 20+ years of use. The main reason is Paul's lack of collaboration and waiting for updates on the dropper. We all paid this program fairly and stayed on it thanks to the JIm AD1C. Without his support, DX4win would have been retired long ago. I made my money honestly, so I expect to get what I paid for it, no more or less. Thank goodness today we can find many freeware programs that offer much more. Greetings to all with the hope of meeting you at the bands. BTW my choice is Log4om V2. 73, Branko 9A7YY __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
