[e-gold-list] Re: Does Steve Renner Pay?
Dear Frederick, Wow. It has been a long time, Frederick. How have you been doing? Does anyone know: (a) Does Steve Renner actually honor such transfers? Yes, I've known him to honor such transfers. For years. (b) If yes, how long does it usually take? It can take very different lengths of time depending on the cash flow situation at Cash Cards, I think. (c) What can be done to persuade Steve to pay? You may want to send him a few polite e-mails. Contact me off list for details. Basically, your position is that your V-cash account has some of your money and you'd like that to be in your e-gold account. I understand this position. In my view, Steve also understands and agrees with this position. However, there have been problems with the Cash Cards system for several months now. Sadly, what was an extremely reliable system with prompt service is now largely unreliable with slow service, in my experience. Among other things, Steve is changing card vendors. There may be a burst of cash flow availability in a few days, if the redemption of funds on the old cards comes through on schedule. Other than that, I have no idea what to do. Maybe go visit him in Minneapolis? Regards, Jim http://www.ezez.com/free/freejim.html --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
Dear Robert, You think about joining some militants in your rage That actually sounds like a very constructive idea! grin Regards, Jim http://www.ezez.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] GoldNow customers in Cyprus
Guys, If you are a GoldNow customer in CY, I'd like to catch up with you! I'm in Larnaka. Email me your contact phone number, and area. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Phone 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO Order a US *or* Israeli issued debit card today, at https://www.goldnow.st/debit_card_buy.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
Gordon, We were actually exchanging e-gold at the time, not using PayPal as a credit card processor for hosting or domain registrations. Of course that made things much worse because it meant each charge back was serious monies lost rather than only revenue lost, hence my rage. Jim, I did spend quite a while in Iran during my youth and learned to handle a Kalashnikov, G3 and Uzi (although the prior more manhandled me than the other way around, as I recall). You see, after the revolution there were not many pig eaters left and a few years later wild boars were starting to destroy fields and orchards up Northeast at the Caspian sea. The gov was reluctant to arm their own Christian minorities and hence invited Christian expatriates for weekend hunts (two guys with automatic rifles and machine guns on the back of a pick-up truck, unlimited ammo, free choice of weapon - among the military gear that was available). Ten minutes trining to show the safety and how to reload, and off we went hunting boars. I remember the first time, when after a whole night of hunting the score came in at one boar, hundreds of rounds of ammo used and a French guy who had shot a German in the foot ;o) We got better after a while (no, the French didn't shoot the German in the head, we got more boars). On the next trip they actually gave us shot guns, which took all the fun out of it. Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net e-commerce e-business services http://www.cyfrocash.net budget domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow customers in Cyprus
Graham, You sure come around on your travels aren't you? Don't say you took the overland route from Europe back to Asia on your way to New Zealand? Been in Malta yet? If not, then you should go - and buy some property there while you are at it ;o) Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net e-commerce e-business services http://www.cyfrocash.net budget domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: The Myth of Insufficient Gold
The US populace pays $62 billion of interest on credit card debts per year! Imagine, if people were not able to use credit for consumables. Robert, does anybody force these people not to use debit cards? The same goes for the credit cards you said will be used in Malaysia. Regards, George Hara --- Xnet scaneaza automat toate mesajele impotriva virusilor folosind RAV AntiVirus. Xnet automatically scans all messages for viruses using RAV AntiVirus. Nota: RAV AntiVirus poate sa nu detecteze toti virusii noi sau toate variantele lor. Va rugam sa luati in considerare ca exista un risc de fiecare data cand deschideti fisiere atasate si ca MobiFon nu este responsabila pentru nici un prejudiciu cauzat de virusi. Disclaimer: RAV AntiVirus may not be able to detect all new viruses and variants. Please be aware that there is a risk involved whenever opening e-mail attachments to your computer and that MobiFon is not responsible for any damages caused by viruses. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] GoldNow in CY, correct email address
Guys, I'm in CY for a few days; I'd like to catch up with any GoldNow customers. My *correct* email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Phone 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO Order a US *or* Israeli issued debit card today, at https://www.goldnow.st/debit_card_buy.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Sell domain worldofgold.net
Dear, I am selling the domain worldofgold.net It's good for running an egold site. Price: $50 egold Contact me if you are interested. Regards, __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: DVDs on sale at GoldBarter.com
At 01:30 AM 10/10/2003 +1000, Ben Legume wrote: I've placed some popular discs for sale at low starting prices. Come take a look. I've got over 500 titles, many starting at $5.00, so request a price list. Pity they're actually DVD-Rs without cases. And even more of a pity, I don't own the originals so I can't bid for them as per your auction rules. Move along, move along... these weren't the movies you were looking for. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] e-gold Accepted for AIM Calculator Program
e-gold Accepted for AIM Calculator Program The program implements Robert Lichello's Automatic Investment Management (AIM) method described in his book How to Make $1,000,000 in the Stock Market Automatically http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451204417/davibeansheal-20 Program described at http://home.earthlink.net/~beand/cpt/demoaimfixedcbs.htm I have used this successfully with PM stocks and am working on a modification for metals themselves. A modified version incorporating Bid-Ask spreads could possibly be used by e-gold (e-metal) account holders if OK with e-gold. I'll let you all know if so. The AIM Stock/ETF Buy/Sell Calculator (the AIM Calculator Program) implements the AIM concept to calculate the quantity of a stock (or ETF) to buy or sell, depending on the price and your past transaction history with the stock, to ensure long-term profitability. Using this program properly will FORCE you to REALLY Buy Low and Sell High. Using the AIM Calculator program, you can enter a price and determine if you should buy or sell and, if so, how many shares. (Warning: Use Limit Orders; Do NOT use Market Orders.) The AIM Calculator program allows you to calculate potential buys and sells in advance, so you can put in GTC Buy Limit orders and Sell Limit orders with your broker. Then you can check during the day or evening to see if your order was filled. If your order was filled, then you may calculate new buys and sells depending on the new parameters and place new orders. more at ... http://home.earthlink.net/~beand/cpt/demoaimfixedcbs.htm David Bean aka Goldmember (password required) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
okay, we take some measures against scammers and stolen accounts. 1. accounts must be verified. 2. users have to reply to an email (including our email body) sent to their paypal adress. For those who know well pp practices, are these measures enough, in your mind ?? Thanks @netcourrier.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
#2. this will not be enough here. Usually when a paypal account is stolen, the person's email account is also stolen so verifying this way does no good, but still should be done of course. #1. What do you mean when you say verify accounts? I think it was about 6 months ago when paypal stated they will not allow this type of exchange and I believe that is what Robert was warning against becasue of the risk of paypal freezing an account. To be honest I learned the hard way what you are going to learn. Much frustration an some court appearances later. You have to ask yourself one thing. Don't you think that if paypal were safe to trade and exchange with, a good majority of the exchange services on this board would be already doing it? We still do it, but only with trusted partners and clients who have history with us. We went private so to speak. Its not that people here do not want you to succeed. It would be great if you have the magic formula that has eluded many of us in the past. Gordon www.katzglobal.com 1. accounts must be verified. 2. users have to reply to an email (including our email body) sent to their paypal adress. For those who know well pp practices, are these measures enough, in your mind ?? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Islamic banking
Dear Robert, The reason I'd like to outlaw interest is simply to give everyone the chance to start with a clean slate again, rather than having kids pay for their parents' follies in decades to come. That's precisely why I'm against outlawing things. I don't think it is nice to organize an externally imposed government and impose, by force, things which I think are moral. It is counterproductive, unlikely to succeed, and has huge deficits in the morality department. Inevitably, attempts to outlaw things create worse problems than they are trying to cure. And, as you note, the banking cartel has befriended big government wherever the two are found, and has perverted it to the purpose of protecting usury rather than regulating or preventing it. The admonitions against usury are not only found in Islam. They are also found in the foundation works of Judaism and of Christianity. Usury is wrong, but so is a Spanish Inquisition to prevent it. Regards, Jim http://www.ezez.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
You will need to insist on an ISP mail address and even then you have no protection against thievery from PayPal itself. Millions of people never have a problem with PayPal, tens of thousand get ripped off by PayPal themselves. There seems to be no pattern though about who they steal from and whom they don't. So, good luck, it's a gamble. Cheers, Robert. budget privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net e-commerce e-business services http://www.cyfrocash.net budget domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: The Myth of Insufficient Gold
Danny wrote: And if your venture capital system is available as well, then I have all possible choices, just in case I doesn't want to carry all the risk. Exactly, if both options exist, it is likely that the VC option would over time largely replace the commercial banking option in all fields practicable, ie. there are likely to still be short-term loans of over a month and under two years. Robert, That sounds much better to me. The market will sort it out and there is no need to make borrowing illegal. In fact if borrowing with interest exists alongside the VC system then both will be competing with each other, and this will force the VC people to fork out a good service if they want to be succesful. By making interest illegal you are giving the VC a monopoly on financing, and that will mean not so good conditions for the person who needs financing. As far as I know the VC option does exist in many Western countries , and quite succesful in some places. But I still don't see how VC would serve the person who needs money to repair his car. And which system will be more succesful if both options are available will not only depend on which system is the best. It will also depend on the risk profile of the average citizen, and that will vary from country to country. Now, can I lend anyone money at 3% per month?:o) Watch out! You may get candidates. And you don't want to burn in hell, do you? :-) The main item that Danny and you seem to ignore that in constructs involving rent, etc. the ownership doesn't change until the item is fully paid for and, possibly the most important item: There is nothing resembling compounding interest. Wait a minute. Things may be different in other countries, but I used to run a shop in Belgium and we routinely sold items(consumer durable goods) with the customer asking for financing from the bank. In the contracts that they signed with the bank it was always clearly stated that the item they bought remained the property of the bank until the loan was completely paid. They were not allowed to sell the item in second hand before the last payment on their loan, that would be considered theft and brought to court. So, the ownership only changes when everything is paid for. This is because the bought item itself is the collateral for the loan. (nearly everyone qualifies for this types loans in Belgium, even the jobless) In fact we could as well say that the interest this person pays is in fact rent he pays to use the item until it becomes his own at the end of the contract. Ah, now I have given you a great business idea how to offer consumer credit in Malaysia without using the word interest. And there is no question about compounding interest, because you only pay rent (interest) on the portion of the item that is not yet paid for. Thanks for an exceptionally civilized discussion. You see it is possible to talk about things without calling each other a thug as soon as there is a disagreement. And with more fruitful results. Danny --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
Does PayPal actually have something in their Terms Conditions written against business that exchanges PayPal? A colleague of mine read the TC around 6 months ago, when we though of providing this service to our clients and haven't found any cautions against this kind of service. Did anyone actually try to cut a deal with PayPal, explaining the kind of business you were trying to do? Best Regards, Julie Donska Customer Support Gold-cash.biz: Digital Exchange. The safe way. Web: http://www.gold-cash.biz Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hushmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 271396462 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
A colleague of mine read the TC around 6 months ago, when we though of providing this service to our clients and haven't found any cautions against this kind of service. When PayPal seized my money, they had a 'Guarantee that All PayPal Payments are Good'. Did anyone actually try to cut a deal with PayPal, explaining the kind of business you were trying to do? Yes, but the problem is that PayPal allows fraudulent money into their system by giving their buying customers access to credit cards. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of thieves which have access to stolen credit cards. These people will use stolen credit cards to buy gold. Then, when the paying customer discovers this, they will cancel their credit card, leaving PayPal with a fraudulent transaction, who will try to recover the money from where it was spent. This would be the exchange service. What makes this business model impossible to use is that it becomes very popular. You will literally have thousands of dollars in your PayPal account, everyday, if you do this. You won't be able to stop PayPal from locking your account, locking the accounts of several of your customers, and telling the rest of your customers that you are being investigated for fraud. Then, they'll try to reverse the money in your bank account to cover their loss. Don't be fooled into thinking that you'll only take money from people who pay with cash, because you can't really know the source of the PayPal money. This business model is a walking stick of dynamite, and the best advice I can offer is to stay away from it. Sincerely, Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
You will need to insist on an ISP mail address and even then you have no protection against thievery from PayPal itself. Millions of people never have a problem with PayPal, tens of thousand get ripped off by PayPal themselves. There seems to be no pattern though about who they steal from and whom they don't. I don't agree with this. While it is true that millions of people never have a problem with PayPal, everyone that offers a direct exchange with another currency DOES have a problem. Thieves want to funnel money into their offshore bank accounts. They don't want to buy Stuffed Animals on eBay. So, if you're selling stuffed animals -- you're good. If you selling gold, you're a target. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
Yes, but the problem is that PayPal allows fraudulent money into their system by giving their buying customers access to credit cards. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of thieves which have access to stolen credit cards. This is what strikes me as extremely unusual. Should not they finally try to prevent payments by stolen credit cards somehow? Five or six years ago it was actually possible to order anything using only a credit card number. These days everything is checked, the name on the card, the expiration date, the 3-digit CVV (?), even the billing address... and fraudsters are still able to do it? I don't understand it, it should be relatively easy to verify those cc internet transactions, why it has been hanging for so long? Actually, I've heard of a new initiative by VISA to provide a special password for using their cards on the Net. Is it supported by any merchants? Alas, credit cards are not the only problem with PayPal, fraudulent eBay transactions are also very commonplace. So I agree, this will be a very risky and short-lived business. Although we can see a genuine demand for those services from people, who would like to sell on the Internet (and ebay) , but do not live in the list of paypal-supported countries. If only there was a way to wade through those orders... Best Regards, Julie Donska Customer Support Gold-cash.biz: Digital Exchange. The safe way. Web: http://www.gold-cash.biz Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hushmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 271396462 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: The Myth of Insufficient Gold
On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 07:53 AM, Danny Van den Berghe wrote: In fact we could as well say that the interest this person pays is in fact rent he pays to use the item until it becomes his own at the end of the contract. Ah, now I have given you a great business idea how to offer consumer credit in Malaysia without using the word interest. And there is no question about compounding interest, because you only pay rent (interest) on the portion of the item that is not yet paid for. I bet Robert B.Z. could make this work. Anyone who can bring that dairy cow time-arbitrage deal to fruition is one heck of an entrepreneur. Thanks for an exceptionally civilized discussion. You see it is possible to talk about things without calling each other a thug as soon as there is a disagreement. And with more fruitful results. It seems that Jim defines thug as an individual who advocates or participates in the initiation of force against others. -- Patrick --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: The Myth of Insufficient Gold
Thanks for an exceptionally civilized discussion. You see it is possible to talk about things without calling each other a thug as soon as there is a disagreement. And with more fruitful results. It seems that Jim defines thug as an individual who advocates or participates in the initiation of force against others. Yeah, but isn't publicly calling someone a thug (or any other insulting statement) already a case of initiation of force against a person, and hence the person who utters these words has declared himself a thug by his own definition? At least he could have cared to mention where I advocated use of force against somebody or something... Danny --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: The Myth of Insufficient Gold
On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 02:07 PM, Danny Van den Berghe wrote: Yeah, but isn't publicly calling someone a thug (or any other insulting statement) already a case of initiation of force against a person, and hence the person who utters these words has declared himself a thug by his own definition? (Dear Moderator: I promise to keep this on the subject of money.) Danny: No. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me. Force and verbiage are two different things. At least he could have cared to mention where I advocated use of force against somebody or something... Actually looking through your posts I see quite a bit of laissez-faire attitude. I think our communication difficulties arise from a fundamental disagreement on the nature of fiat systems. The advocates of fiat systems flatly deny that brute force is necessary to float those systems. For example, in a previous post you gave a chronology of how a fiat system evolves, starting with gold and notes for gold, but ultimately culminating with this: And finally the curency was made independant from the gold backing. What a sweet, passive, neutral way to portray an act of theft, fraud, and extortion. The currency was made independent from gold backing by a bunch of thugs telling the people to hand over their gold and gold notes and accept fiat paper in return upon pain of imprisonment and confiscation of property. Or at the very least, simply reneging on a solemn promise. I highly suggest reading today's article titled Monetary Policy and the Free Market. http://mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=1341 It almost seems like the author has been reading the e-gold list lately. Consider this excerpt: Since paper currencies are the dominant type of money in our age, there has been some speculation about the possibility of a free market in paper money or electronic money. Yet not only is there no historical evidence to support this possibility, but noncommodity monies have at all times and places been creatures of the state. In modern times, the state has introduced paper money by giving a privileged note-issuing bank (the national Central Bank) the permission to suspend the redemption of its notes. While the historical record does not prove that there could be no noncommodity money on the free market, Austrian economists have argued that money must be a commodity by its nature. As the author says, there has indeed been some speculation about the possibility of a free market in paper money or electronic money. Notably, right here on the e-gold list. Note that in the second paragraph, the author states that the introduction of paper money always took the form of a privileged group gaining permission to suspend the redemption of its notes. Or as Danny so blithely puts it: And finally the currency was made independent of its gold backing. So when Jim discusses a vicious thug who insists on imposing paper money on these workers, he is referring to a paper money system that was originally imposed on the people by force and is now maintained by force. From what I can tell you would disapprove of that kind of force but you also deny that it exists in the first place. So as they say in Cool Hand Luke: What we've got here is failure to communicate. At this point in history it's all a matter of degree. Many of us, including fiat advocates themselves, are evolving toward more trade in hard money and less in fiat tokens. This works to erode the utility of fiat tokens, though imperceptibly at first. But if the physics are just right, this effect could easily compound far beyond anybody's ability to predict at this point. -- Patrick --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
Money Transfer Companies http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outsideed=moneytrans Precious metals policy http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outsideed=prec_metals Pre-paid debit cards http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outsideed=prepaid_debit I believe they actually wrote that in their policies about 6 months back, but I can't seem to find it now. Gordon www.katzglobal.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: paypal to e-gold service
At 04:26 PM 10/10/2003 +, SnowDog wrote: Did anyone actually try to cut a deal with PayPal, explaining the kind of business you were trying to do? Yes, but the problem is that PayPal allows fraudulent money into their system by giving their buying customers access to credit cards. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of thieves which have access to stolen credit cards. These people will use stolen credit cards to buy gold. Then, when the paying customer discovers this, they will cancel their credit card, leaving PayPal with a fraudulent transaction, who will try to recover the money from where it was spent. This would be the exchange service. An acquittance of mine, with a legit business, had this same problem about 2 years ago. He was getting ripped off right and left by PayPal fraudsters. He was just about to give up using it when an inspiration struck him: PayPal's ToS and business practices that at fault, why not make them pay. He set up about 20 bank accounts, under phoney names, and the same number of PayPal accounts. When an account got too 'hot' he abandoned it and left PP with the damage. Last I heard, about a year ago, this had fixed most of his fraud problems. Since 9/11 opening such accounts has gotten much tougher AFAIK. steve --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
