ECOLOGY Education and Learning 2 Re: ECOLOG-L Digest - 17 Nov 2007 to 18 Nov 2007 (#2007-312)

2007-11-21 Thread Wayne Tyson
I share the contempt for soft in the sense of sham (for which all 
too many courses, degrees, and institutions qualify), but ecology (we 
should not be forced to qualify the term, for example, as not 
referring to the ecology, whatever that is, or saving beer cans and 
mulching xmas trees) should be taught in the primary grades as a 
required subject, and in (ugh!) junior high school, high school, 
and at least the first year of any university course of 
study.  BECAUSE, simply, that ecology is connected to everything 
else, and its expansion to its ultimate potential, for those who 
really want it, requires readin', writin', 'n 'rithmetic, and just 
about any subject one can name (even music, art history, real 
basket-weaving and other sub disciplines).

Since study of anything necessarily involves discipline, that should 
come first.  It is the job of teachers to expose the young to the 
passion of learning, to set an example, and speak, not with 
conviction but in terms of excitement about The Quest!  Universities, 
mentors, and others who would be teachers should simply reject those 
who, with or without the benefit of a secondary education, who 
lack the motivation to work hard, but accept them back when they 
change their minds.  But if teachers at the primary and secondary 
levels are permitted to set the example of passion for all learning, 
any lack of enthusiasm on the part of those entering university 
(check the etymology) there will be little need to leave any person 
(short of those damaged souls with real limited abilities who should 
get extra care) behind.

We, society, any culture, should shy from inculcating, but embrace, 
with all our being, the idea of universal and lifetime learning 
(univers-ity) for all who really want it, just for the thrill of 
it!  To do otherwise is to fail humankind and all life.  To abandon 
the Quest is not just fanning the flames of our collective suicide, 
but the survival of the life forms for which we have inherited 
responsibility.

There is nothing soft about that task, but neither is it 
hard.  It is simply a responsibility--and a privilege and a joy.

Pardon my soapbox--I try hard to avoid this, but something about this 
email pushed me over the edge.

WT

At 04:36 AM 11/20/2007, James J. Roper wrote:
In many schools, environmental science is soft ecology and the
environment.  I actually attended a graduate level seminar course called
the philosophy of ecology - only to discover I was the only student in th=
e
class who knew what the definition of ecology was - the rest thought of it
as either environmental sciences or tree hugging 101.  My suggestion wa=
s
that the students need a lower level course that reinforces their knowledge
to get them to a level for a real ecology course.

Cheers,

Jim

On Nov 19, 2007 6:24 PM, Kelly Stettner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote=
:

  So, if the students do not have that background, then I think you are
  wasting your time teaching ecology and what you should be teaching is
  environmental studies.  That could easily be geared to unprepared
  undergrads, and could fill in some of those voids that you mentioned your
  students have.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Jim
 
 
   Yikes!  As a self-teaching student with Vermont College myself, I am
  cringing at the thought of an unprepared undergrad attempting to grasp
  environmental studies WITHOUT a solid understanding of multi-disciplinary
  ecology.  I am finding that too many of my fellow students are single-min=
ded
  and wholly without any concept of basic scientific principles or methods.
   They are feeling with their emotions instead of thinking with their brai=
ns.
   That, in my opinion, sets the stage for disaster -- truly caring people =
out
  there attempting to fix nature's problems with solutions that cause
  worse problems than before.  All in the name of The Environment...and no
  science in sight.  No geology, climate history, basic chemistry or physic=
s
  or thermodynamics.
 
   In other words, as a student, I do not consider myself a responsible
  scientists unless and until I realize that each question I answer leads t=
o
  more questions.
 
   Respectfully,
   Kelly Stettner, Director
   Black River Action Team
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  Black River Action Team (BRAT)
   45 Coolidge Road
   Springfield, VT  05156
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  http://www.blackriveractionteam.org
 
  ~Making ripples on the Black River since 2000! ~
 
 
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Ecologia e Din=E2micas Populacionais
de Vertebrados Terrestres

Caixa Postal 19034
81531-990 Curitiba, Paran=E1, Brasil

E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Telefone: 55 41 33857249
Mobile: 55 41 99870543

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Re: ECOLOG-L Digest - 17 Nov 2007 to 18 Nov 2007 (#2007-312)

2007-11-20 Thread James J. Roper
In many schools, environmental science is soft ecology and the
environment.  I actually attended a graduate level seminar course called
the philosophy of ecology - only to discover I was the only student in th=
e
class who knew what the definition of ecology was - the rest thought of it
as either environmental sciences or tree hugging 101.  My suggestion wa=
s
that the students need a lower level course that reinforces their knowledge
to get them to a level for a real ecology course.

Cheers,

Jim

On Nov 19, 2007 6:24 PM, Kelly Stettner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote=
:

 So, if the students do not have that background, then I think you are
 wasting your time teaching ecology and what you should be teaching is
 environmental studies.  That could easily be geared to unprepared
 undergrads, and could fill in some of those voids that you mentioned your
 students have.

 Cheers,

 Jim


  Yikes!  As a self-teaching student with Vermont College myself, I am
 cringing at the thought of an unprepared undergrad attempting to grasp
 environmental studies WITHOUT a solid understanding of multi-disciplinary
 ecology.  I am finding that too many of my fellow students are single-min=
ded
 and wholly without any concept of basic scientific principles or methods.
  They are feeling with their emotions instead of thinking with their brai=
ns.
  That, in my opinion, sets the stage for disaster -- truly caring people =
out
 there attempting to fix nature's problems with solutions that cause
 worse problems than before.  All in the name of The Environment...and no
 science in sight.  No geology, climate history, basic chemistry or physic=
s
 or thermodynamics.

  In other words, as a student, I do not consider myself a responsible
 scientists unless and until I realize that each question I answer leads t=
o
 more questions.

  Respectfully,
  Kelly Stettner, Director
  Black River Action Team
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Black River Action Team (BRAT)
  45 Coolidge Road
  Springfield, VT  05156
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://www.blackriveractionteam.org

 ~Making ripples on the Black River since 2000! ~


 -
 Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See
 how.




--=20
James J. Roper, Ph.D.

Ecologia e Din=E2micas Populacionais
de Vertebrados Terrestres

Caixa Postal 19034
81531-990 Curitiba, Paran=E1, Brasil

E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Telefone: 55 41 33857249
Mobile: 55 41 99870543

http://www.bio.ufpr.br/ecologia/ Ecologia e Conserva=E7=E3o na UFPR

http://jjroper.googlespages.com Personal Pages


Re: ECOLOG-L Digest - 17 Nov 2007 to 18 Nov 2007 (#2007-312)

2007-11-19 Thread Kelly Stettner
So, if the students do not have that background, then I think you are wasting 
your time teaching ecology and what you should be teaching is environmental 
studies.  That could easily be geared to unprepared undergrads, and could fill 
in some of those voids that you mentioned your students have.

Cheers,

Jim

   
  Yikes!  As a self-teaching student with Vermont College myself, I am cringing 
at the thought of an unprepared undergrad attempting to grasp environmental 
studies WITHOUT a solid understanding of multi-disciplinary ecology.  I am 
finding that too many of my fellow students are single-minded and wholly 
without any concept of basic scientific principles or methods.  They are 
feeling with their emotions instead of thinking with their brains.  That, in my 
opinion, sets the stage for disaster -- truly caring people out there 
attempting to fix nature's problems with solutions that cause worse 
problems than before.  All in the name of The Environment...and no science in 
sight.  No geology, climate history, basic chemistry or physics or 
thermodynamics.
   
  In other words, as a student, I do not consider myself a responsible 
scientists unless and until I realize that each question I answer leads to more 
questions.
   
  Respectfully,
  Kelly Stettner, Director
  Black River Action Team
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Black River Action Team (BRAT)
  45 Coolidge Road
  Springfield, VT  05156
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

http://www.blackriveractionteam.org

~Making ripples on the Black River since 2000! ~

   
-
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