Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga VSX 7000
Le jeudi 20 mars 2008 à 07:32 +0100, Matthias Apitz a écrit : El día Wednesday, March 19, 2008 a las 05:25:13PM +0100, Damien Sandras escribió: now I've the next problem: when I make a call h323:10.0.1.40 to the VSX 7000 where I'm sitting with my laptop in front of, I can see in Ekiga the local picture from my cam and the picture grabed by the cam of the VSX 7000 in side-by-side view mode, but the TV the VSX 7000 is connected to only shows the name of the session and the rest is dark; I have a -d3 output if this would be helpfull for you, Damien; thx for any hint; Most probably it can not decode the stream sent by Ekiga, but as the VSX is not Open Source, I can't really tell why. Unfortunately, I can not really help with that. Perhaps you should try the SVN Trunk version of Ekiga, it supports other codecs like H.264. It will probably work better. I will do that when I've updated my laptop this upcoming weekend to FreeBSD 7.0R which brings more recent versions of opal and pwlib; just to make sure: can I somehow proof in the -d3 output if Ekiga has send the stream to the VSX 7000 at all? if you want to have a look I've put the -d3 log here: http://www.unixarea.de/ekigaLogD3.txt It sends video : Started sending logical channel: H.261(QCIF) 17 -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga VSX 7000
El día Thursday, March 20, 2008 a las 10:32:08AM +0100, Damien Sandras escribió: Most probably it can not decode the stream sent by Ekiga, but as the VSX is not Open Source, I can't really tell why. Unfortunately, I can not really help with that. Perhaps you should try the SVN Trunk version of Ekiga, it supports other codecs like H.264. It will probably work better. I will do that when I've updated my laptop this upcoming weekend to FreeBSD 7.0R which brings more recent versions of opal and pwlib; just to make sure: can I somehow proof in the -d3 output if Ekiga has send the stream to the VSX 7000 at all? if you want to have a look I've put the -d3 log here: http://www.unixarea.de/ekigaLogD3.txt It sends video : Started sending logical channel: H.261(QCIF) 17 Thanks for locking into that; it seems that the VSX 7000 does not support H.261 encodings, at least not in my firware release Release 7.5.2 from 31Mar2005; there are threats about this visible in Google, for example: http://www.marratech.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t1513.html so I will follow your hint about SVN Trunk / H.264 Thx again matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ Don't top-post, read RFC1855 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Privacy policy of Ekiga
Stefan Monnier wrote: I hope you will be able to point me to the privacy statements of Ekiga or otherwise You will take this subject very seriously. Are you talking about ekiga or ekiga.net? I think both are really important, is it not? Not really: the Ekiga application is just that: an application. It happens to use the network, just like Firefox, but it doesn't (modulo bugs or nasty people adding backdoors) connect to any machine to which you haven't explicitly asked it to connect. I don't think a privacy statement is important here. You seem to assume that Ekiga is an organization, in the way that Skype is an organization. It is not at all the same thing: Skype is a commercial organization with a proprietary product and service; Ekiga is an open source application, and there is a community that supports and uses it. To use myself as an example, the only information that ekiga.net has access to are my name and email address. There need be no privacy statement, since there is no collection of personal data, such as Skype might require and use. The fact that Ekiga.net is not commercial doesn't make much difference: it does keep a database of users with their email address and names, and (more importantly) it does keep track of which ones are connected and from where, so it know about IP addresses and may potentially keep a log of when which user connected with which IP. And the police may order Damien to give out some of that info, or some dire financial need (or juicy offer) may push Damien to sell that info. So a privacy statement explaining what info is kept (e.g. is a log of IP addresses kept?), that to which it is intended (e.g. it's not intended to be distributed to any third party, except the name database which is freely searchable, IIUC), and the worst case guarantee (all the data may be stolen, subpoena'd, sold, ...). Stefan ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list D Webb wrote: I assume that everything I read, write, upload or download on the Internet and dates, times and IP addresses are being recorded by several governmental agencies at any given moment. Thus far, I have rarely been proven wrong. I assume everything I do on the Internet could just as well have been shouted at the top of my lungs in a football stadium. It is in this sense that I think privacy statements, while being a profitable marketing gesture for a business, offers no more privacy than no statement at all. Let us say you are going to tell someone over Ekiga about some terrible crime you will commit. Do you really think you will escape police intervention or a prison sentence because of a privacy statement? I guess you could try and file a lawsuit from a prison cell, but would it not be easier to accept my interpretation of VoIP as shouting in a football stadium? Finally, a lawyer could butt in and tell us all these complicated issues and scenarios and pitfalls, and the infinite variances in different countries. Again, would it not be easier to just assume you are shouting in a football stadium and just accept the Internet does not have much mercy for privacy? Dominic Of course the governments and police can get at a given time (as exception) access to data stored on the internet. But, at least in the Netherlands, also the government and the police have to respect laws and rules. So the comparison with information that is shouted in a stadium is not right here. It's also not a good attitude of the citizens of a country to just accept that everyone can violate your privacy. Citizens should put effort in making good rules for privacy or to protect it. Privacy is a human right of a democracy. And there is more then police and government. The police and government are not the first and also not the second reason to have a privacy policy. The first reason is that you as a user, have the right to know what is happening with your given or received data. On the basis of the policy you can decide whether or not you are going to use that service. So Ekiga as a service can at least give information how they handle the information with or without given guarantees. Second it is also good to know if a service will doing at least there best to take care about privacy. The fact that other service store information for a long time, set cookies, or even give or sell information to third parties (advertisement companies for example) makes a privacy policy useful or necessary for a service as Ekiga. I don't want a service that is gathering information and give it to third parties and so I like to know of Ekiga what there policy is in this case. And I think it is something that a service like Ekiga should have, because it is important how a service is dealing with your
Re: [Ekiga-list] Privacy policy of Ekiga
rules. So the comparison with information that is shouted in a stadium is not right here. It's also not a good attitude of the citizens of a country to just accept that everyone can violate your privacy. Citizens should put effort in making good rules for privacy or to protect it. Privacy is a human right of a democracy. Right, wrong, the law and self-preservation are 4 different things with infinite permutations of interpretation. Please consider thinking of your privacy much like your bicycle, you from the Netherlands. You will want laws to punish bicycle thieves AND a strong lock. The law exists because there are people who do not follow it. I expect privacy laws and the corresponding violators to co-exist. I do not see privacy statements helping much. Dee _ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-USocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Privacy policy of Ekiga
D Webb wrote: rules. So the comparison with information that is shouted in a stadium is not right here. It's also not a good attitude of the citizens of a country to just accept that everyone can violate your privacy. Citizens should put effort in making good rules for privacy or to protect it. Privacy is a human right of a democracy. Right, wrong, the law and self-preservation are 4 different things with infinite permutations of interpretation. Please consider thinking of your privacy much like your bicycle, you from the Netherlands. You will want laws to punish bicycle thieves AND a strong lock. The law exists because there are people who do not follow it. I expect privacy laws and the corresponding violators to co-exist. I do not see privacy statements helping much. Dee I think you're right on this point, although Ekiga should, in my opinion, do there best to protect my information against potential violators But it seems that you not really understand what I was trying to say. It's not only about protecting information against violators outside, but as a user I want to know the policy of* Ekiga itself.* What are they doing with my information. That's what I want to know before I will use a service like Ekiga. And I think they should put there policy, like many other comparable services, on there website. Privacy for a internet service like Ekiga is an important issue. That's why I was a little surprised by the reaction of developer Damien (with respect), who said that he finds writing a privacy policy boring or hasn't enough time for it. I think if you're offering a service like this and like to have a lot of users, the first thing you should do is doing your best to protect your users against violations of all kind and give them information about how you deal with the privacy of your users. That's at least the right your users have. I like to help spreading the word about Ekiga, but I'd like to do that with the knowledge that the service has a good and open privacy policy. Kind regards, Dirk ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga VSX 7000
El día Thursday, March 20, 2008 a las 10:32:08AM +0100, Damien Sandras escribió: It sends video : Started sending logical channel: H.261(QCIF) 17 a question concerning this: some lines later it says: 2008/03/19 16:41:50.647 0:17.007H.245 Handler Patch Sink stream OpalRTPMediaStream-Sink-H.261(QCIF) cannot support data size 0 could this cause the problem? matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ Don't top-post, read RFC1855 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
[Ekiga-list] Endless privacy policy discussion
or a prison sentence because of a privacy statement? I guess you could try and file a lawsuit from a prison cell, but would it not be easier to accept my interpretation of VoIP as shouting in a football stadium? Finally, a lawyer could butt in and tell us all these complicated issues and scenarios and pitfalls, and the infinite variances in different countries. Again, would it not be easier to just assume you are shouting in a football stadium and just accept the Internet does not have much mercy for privacy? Dominic Of course the governments and police can get at a given time (as exception) access to data stored on the internet. But, at least in the Netherlands, also the government and the police have to respect laws and rules. So the comparison with information that is shouted in a stadium is not right here. It's also not a good attitude of the citizens of a country to just accept that everyone can violate your privacy. Citizens should put effort in making good rules for privacy or to protect it. Privacy is a human right of a democracy. And there is more then police and government. The police and government are not the first and also not the second reason to have a privacy policy. The first reason is that you as a user, have the right to know what is happening with your given or received data. On the basis of the policy you can decide whether or not you are going to use that service. So Ekiga as a service can at least give information how they handle the information with or without given guarantees. Second it is also good to know if a service will doing at least there best to take care about privacy. The fact that other service store information for a long time, set cookies, or even give or sell information to third parties (advertisement companies for example) makes a privacy policy useful or necessary for a service as Ekiga. I don't want a service that is gathering information and give it to third parties and so I like to know of Ekiga what there policy is in this case. And I think it is something that a service like Ekiga should have, because it is important how a service is dealing with your (private) information (I don't like to find my chatsession with my girlfriend to find on Google or that others can know who I'm calling at which times). The argument that privacy statements or policies is only profitable marketing is something which is not true. I can't see why it should Ekiga costs money to have just written down there privacy policy. I think too that a privacy policy is not the same as a guarantee, it would be nice if it was, but inform your users about the privacy policy of the service and doing the best to protect the privacy of the 'users' is in itself a good thing. Dirk -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:07:00 + From: D Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Privacy policy of Ekiga To: Ekiga mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 rules. So the comparison with information that is shouted in a stadium is not right here. It's also not a good attitude of the citizens of a country to just accept that everyone can violate your privacy. Citizens should put effort in making good rules for privacy or to protect it. Privacy is a human right of a democracy. Right, wrong, the law and self-preservation are 4 different things with infinite permutations of interpretation. Please consider thinking of your privacy much like your bicycle, you from the Netherlands. You will want laws to punish bicycle thieves AND a strong lock. The law exists because there are people who do not follow it. I expect privacy laws and the corresponding violators to co-exist. I do not see privacy statements helping much. Dee _ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-USocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /archives/ekiga-list/attachments/20080320/273de28b/attachment.html -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:42:28 +0100 From: schoappied [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Privacy policy of Ekiga To: Ekiga mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed D Webb wrote: rules. So the comparison with information that is shouted in a stadium is not right here. It's also not a good attitude of the citizens of a country to just accept that everyone can violate your privacy. Citizens should put effort in making good rules for privacy or to protect it. Privacy is a human right of a democracy. Right
Re: [Ekiga-list] privacy policy Ekiga
_ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-USocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /archives/ekiga-list/attachments/20080320/273de28b/attachment.html -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:42:28 +0100 From: schoappied [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Privacy policy of Ekiga To: Ekiga mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed D Webb wrote: rules. So the comparison with information that is shouted in a stadium is not right here. It's also not a good attitude of the citizens of a country to just accept that everyone can violate your privacy. Citizens should put effort in making good rules for privacy or to protect it. Privacy is a human right of a democracy. Right, wrong, the law and self-preservation are 4 different things with infinite permutations of interpretation. Please consider thinking of your privacy much like your bicycle, you from the Netherlands. You will want laws to punish bicycle thieves AND a strong lock. The law exists because there are people who do not follow it. I expect privacy laws and the corresponding violators to co-exist. I do not see privacy statements helping much. Dee I think you're right on this point, although Ekiga should, in my opinion, do there best to protect my information against potential violators But it seems that you not really understand what I was trying to say. It's not only about protecting information against violators outside, but as a user I want to know the policy of* Ekiga itself.* What are they doing with my information. That's what I want to know before I will use a service like Ekiga. And I think they should put there policy, like many other comparable services, on there website. Privacy for a internet service like Ekiga is an important issue. That's why I was a little surprised by the reaction of developer Damien (with respect), who said that he finds writing a privacy policy boring or hasn't enough time for it. I think if you're offering a service like this and like to have a lot of users, the first thing you should do is doing your best to protect your users against violations of all kind and give them information about how you deal with the privacy of your users. That's at least the right your users have. I like to help spreading the word about Ekiga, but I'd like to do that with the knowledge that the service has a good and open privacy policy. Kind regards, Dirk -- ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list End of ekiga-list Digest, Vol 20, Issue 38 ** ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga VSX 7000
Le jeudi 20 mars 2008 à 13:38 +0100, Matthias Apitz a écrit : El día Thursday, March 20, 2008 a las 10:32:08AM +0100, Damien Sandras escribió: It sends video : Started sending logical channel: H.261(QCIF) 17 a question concerning this: some lines later it says: 2008/03/19 16:41:50.647 0:17.007H.245 Handler Patch Sink stream OpalRTPMediaStream-Sink-H.261(QCIF) cannot support data size 0 could this cause the problem? I don't think so. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [POLICY] Endless privacy policy discussion
E Johnson a écrit : This endless privacy policy discussion is worse than tedious. In your opinion. The topics discussed here are not trivial. It sidetracks the developers, whose time is better spent in making Ekiga better for us all. I added a banner [POLICY] so you can avoid reading next messages end teherefore not spe,d your time. Thanks very much, Liz J Jacques The olny point is to ask people to « quote » properly. ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] privacy policy Ekiga
jacques wrote: E Johnson a écrit : This endless privacy policy discussion is worse than tedious. In your opinion. The topics discussed here are not trivial. It sidetracks the developers, whose time is better spent in making Ekiga better for us all. I added a banner [POLICY] so you can avoid reading next messages end teherefore not spe,d your time. Thanks very much, Liz J Jacques The olny point is to ask people to « quote » properly. Jacques, I agree with you. But I think there's no need to change the title of the discussion. I hope people understand this subject too, and can decide if they want to read it. ;) Further, the title 'endless discussion' is not right. Because the aim of this discussion is to make the privacy policy of Ekiga open and clear for the users, and with the 'bigger' aim to make Ekiga a better service. Not endless at all :) Back on topic... Dirk ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] privacy policy Ekiga
Hi, Le jeudi 20 mars 2008 à 16:04 +0100, Damien Sandras a écrit : I have proposed a policy, and changed the text that is presented to the user when he signs up for an account. I will not change it anymore unless somebody mails me a patch or sends me money so that I spend 1 or 2 evenings reading and approving such a text. The policy is copied here: http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Ekiga.net_terms If you have a new proposal, you can also request to *me* an account to the wiki and write it in the discussion part of this page: http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php?title=Talk:Ekiga.net_termsaction=edit Thus there is a public place for this discussion and proposals. I personally think if we can all together agree on a proposal we can then ask Damien to review it and make a decision for the project. Regards, Yannick -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Logiciel de VoIP Ekiga : http://www.ekiga.org http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
[Ekiga-list] No (key?) tone when dialing
Good morning to all. Sorry to have not lurked longer before asking questions. I have done some searching of the archives but, probably due to a wrong concept, used the wrong terms. Basically I do not hear anything when I press the dial-pad keys and it appears nothing is sent to the system I am connected-to/registered-with. Fluff. I have X-Lite (Linux) working. Background. CentOS 5, Ekiga 2.0.2. Alsa sound drivers, I had this problem when I first installed Ekiga. Then I tried X-Lite to make sure it was not a sound/mic hardware issue. When I started Ekiga again it worked fine. In a moment of 'superior grade stupid' I tried to clean-up the Ekiga installation by un-installing, killing the conf file and reinstalling. (Can not remember why I thought the clean-up was necessary but at the time there seemed to be a reason.) Any ideas as to why there would be no tones transmitted? Thanks, Rod -- ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
[Ekiga-list] [FEATURE REQUEST]
Hello everybody, [This topic may have been discussed before] When Ekiga is running I would like to see somewhere [MyAccount] or [Mysip:address] displayed. Thanks, Jacques -- To my old friends : ALL my @pollux.frmug.org adresses are intensively spammed. Please update your address book with : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] [FEATURE REQUEST]
Me too. On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM, jacques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, [This topic may have been discussed before] When Ekiga is running I would like to see somewhere [MyAccount] or [Mysip:address] displayed. Thanks, Jacques -- To my old friends : ALL my @pollux.frmug.org adresses are intensively spammed. Please update your address book with : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list -- Edward Dunagin-Dunigan-Dunnigan Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 VOIP:sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5063;transport=udp http://doas.montanalinux.org ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
