Re: [Elecraft] K2 with 144Mhz transverter - phase noise

2005-03-11 Thread S55M
Martin ,for the bad results of K2+Transverter probably both of them
contributed.
My first try with transverter+K2 was in Marconi CW contest (November
2004).Before that i used FT1KMP and Javornik transverter.
Other stations told me, that i was very noisy over a whole 2m band while on
TX.
At that time i was using for TX IF input ,output from TX of 10W K2 reduced
with power button and adequate attenuator to bring it down to 1mW needed for
transverter input.It was a horrible choice i realised.
Now i am using the 1mW signal directly after first bufer (like XV144 does)
and still got to test the noise with carrier on and with unmodulated
signal..hope it will be ok...
Maybe for someone is strange that a bit of noise is heard, but in S5 and
generaly in central Europe the density of crowded band is unbelivable
(several Kw stations on hilltops almost touching ich other with antennas
HI HI) so the clear TX and bullet-proof RX is extremly important for
contesting.
All ideas and tips and tricks are wellcome :)


s55m-Adi

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Kratoska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Fraser Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 with 144Mhz transverter - phase noise


 it would be quite interesting to know where is the culprit - if K2 or
 the transverter

 73 Martin OK1RR

 Fraser Robertson napsal(a):
  Adi, I've compared two latest spec. K2/100's with a FT1KMP, TS870, and a
  home brew VFO/Xtal mixer rig, and the close in TX phase noise (unkeyed
  carrier) of the K2's is worse than the other rigs.  I think the figure
  you quote is probably typical.  If there is a way to improve on this I'd
  love to know as in many respects the K2 is a great rig and I'd like to
  use it for QRO contesting.  (I have not used a transverter).
 
  73 Fraser G4BJM
 
 
  NF 6dB, IP3 -26 dBm and TX noise at least 10dB greater than FT1KMP.
 
  For those who r not familiar with this data I can only say that are
  badbut how???
  I suppose the transverter was always the same.
 
  Why? How?
 
  TNX for answers...
 
  S55M-Adi
 
 
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[Elecraft] 4044# dead

2005-03-11 Thread Ian J Maude
Hi all,
#4044 has died.  It simply stopped working during the ARRL contest last
weekend.  It does not receive, transmit or speak to the PC.  I have
tried a full reset to no avail and I have removed the PA.  The fault
seems to lie on the rf board somewhere and I would appreciate some
pointers.  I guess it can't be that serious, it is just where to look.

Cheers

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Re: [Elecraft] suggestions for EQP practice

2005-03-11 Thread mikekopacki
David, I replied to this once but didn't see it show up so if it shows up 
twice, I apologize.

I would disagree with you on your suggestion.

One of the things that makes contesting a little easier (sometimes) is that the 
exchanges are publishes, so you know what to expect next.

How many times has someone in a contest sent the exchange out of order, and 
that's the way you copied it into your logger, then you had to go back and 
retype the affected fields to get it right?  And if you're really cooking in a 
run, sometimes you might not even realize it until you [Enter] and get some 
message about the info you entered was incorrect.

Since the exchange has been published, most people are going to be expecting 
the letter K as the first character in the rig portion of the exchange for 
most of their qso's.  Changing that to a 2 followed by a slash, etc etc is 
just going to add confusion.  

Having to resend the exchange just one time is going to offset a lot of the 
time saved by not sending a K.

And that's not even considering the folks who may not be on this reflector and 
never seeing your post.

Having said all that, hope to see you on the air.  K

72,
Mike, NJ2OM


 
 From: David A.Belsley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/03/10 Thu AM 07:47:37 CST
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] suggestions for EQP practice
 
 May I suggest that we try to make the EQP contest unique among current 
 contests by attempting to give actual (meaningful) signal reports.  
 Because of the association of this content with QRP, the wholesale use 
 of 5nn seems really quite out of place.  It will also be good practice 
 to those who haven't fully come to grips with the proper use of RST 
 reports to learn to make snap judgments about a proper report.  Those 
 snap judgments are usually pretty good, often better than ones that get 
 deeper consideration.
 
 And if you are looking to find a way to make up for the little bit of 
 time it takes to give an honest report, consider adopting, in place of 
 sending K2 nr 4321 or K1 nr 548 simply 2/4321 or 1/548.
 
 Looking forward to getting some new s/n's, (there aren't any more 
 states)
 
 dave belsley, w1euy, 2/744
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Re: [Elecraft] 4044# dead

2005-03-11 Thread Ian J Maude
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 10:08 +, Ian J Maude wrote:
 Hi all,
 #4044 has died.  It simply stopped working during the ARRL contest last
 weekend.  It does not receive, transmit or speak to the PC.  I have
 tried a full reset to no avail and I have removed the PA.  The fault
 seems to lie on the rf board somewhere and I would appreciate some
 pointers.  I guess it can't be that serious, it is just where to look.
I really should have added that the on/off, display, menus etc all work. 
The K2 sees the additional boards etc so it would seem that DC power is
not the problem.

Ian

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RE: [Elecraft] 4044# dead

2005-03-11 Thread W3FPR - Don Wilhelm
Ian,

It is difficult to say where the problem might be when all I really know is
'it is broken'.

The best place to start is to determine what does work.  Do you have
voltages anywhere (check input and output of the regulators on the control
board)?  Are the voltage readings good (compare with the chart in the back
of the K2 manual).  If the menu works, enter CAL FCTR and use the counter
probe to see if you have VFO and BFO oscillators running?  Is their
frequency correct?  Continue with this process until you can narrow the
field of potential places to look for the failure.

73,
Don W3FPR

 -Original Message-

 Hi all,
 #4044 has died.  It simply stopped working during the ARRL contest last
 weekend.  It does not receive, transmit or speak to the PC.  I have
 tried a full reset to no avail and I have removed the PA.  The fault
 seems to lie on the rf board somewhere and I would appreciate some
 pointers.  I guess it can't be that serious, it is just where to look.

 Cheers

 Ian



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Re: [Elecraft] 4044# dead

2005-03-11 Thread Ian J Maude
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 11:54 +, Ian J Maude wrote:

 I really should have added that the on/off, display, menus etc all
 work. 
 The K2 sees the additional boards etc so it would seem that DC power
 is
 not the problem.
ok, getting there.  I decided as I had already done a reset that I would
start the alignment steps again.  It would seem that the PLL range is in
order but I get nothing except a row of zero's when looking at the VCO
on TP1.  It should be between 8 and 10MHz so I am getting close.  Now
down to those pesky voltages :-)

Ian

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Re: [Elecraft] 4044# dead (Solved)

2005-03-11 Thread Ian J Maude
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 12:19 +, Ian J Maude wrote:
Problem solved.  Thanks to all that enailed with help.  As I suspected
it was down to a poorly soldered joint.  I warmed up quite a few
connections in that area to be honest so I cannot be sure which did it.
The main thing is that everything has once again sprung into life.  Now
to get on with setting those filters again!

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[Elecraft] The Spirit of this reflector

2005-03-11 Thread James T. Jim Rogers, W4ATK
I know this is a bit long but it so represents the spirit of this
reflector, I just had to pass it along. Enjoy. As one of Jeff's Elmers I
know I walk a little taller after reading this.

73s Jim, W4ATK

Find the Golden Thread in BARC
By Jeff Drew, N4JDU
There is a value to club membership that every new member needs to use.
There is no charge, but the end results can not be measured. I have only
been a ham for about a year but I have discovered from the “Elmer’s” ( i.e.
senior hams) a sincere dedication to the future of ham radio and to us, he
younger hams.

I used to ask, why all this attention to younger hams? There is plenty 
of
literature available to all of us, but nothing is better than actual one on
one contact by an Elmer.  We are fortunate to have in our club a large
number of “Elmer’s”. I strongly recommend that any new ham find three or
more Elmer’s to share the fine points of ham radio with you.  I guarantee
they will do it!

Here’s why:  These hams have seen the effects of time on our hobby.  
Some
good, some bad. They know that if we don’t use it, we lose it!  They realize
that the bands associated with Amateur Radio are constantly being sought
after by commercial endeavors.  Currently, the attack is with access to
broadband power lines (BPL).  There are many such quests for our band space.
My point is that the band allocation to ham radio is always politically
un-stable.  Technology plays an important factor here for both interests.

The Elmer’s  want to se the “art form” preserved. Their theory is that a
certain perpetuation plan be put in place. Here’s what I think it is:
·   Be available to young hams for questions and answers.
·   Help them in their particular interests. (I.e. Phone, Rtty, PSK, CW,
Satellite, EME etc.)
·   Encourage new hams to explore the broad characteristics of the amateur
radio.
·   Share your experience with new hams that want to learn.
There may be more un-published directives from the Elmer’s, but I have 
seen
their determination to preserve the hobby.

From my  point of view, they see the future of ham radio in us!  It is 
up
to us to put forth the effort to locate an Elmer to counsel us as we embark
upon this vast sea of radio. Nothing could be a better resource than having
the knowledge of an Elmer.  It is the golden thread in our organization. Let
’s use it before we lose it! Think about how powerful we would all be if we
each had an Elmer who passed on his experience with us!

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[Elecraft] ECN/30 report

2005-03-11 Thread Daniel Reynolds
Someone once wisely suggested picking a non-cardinal frequency for the ECN -
and I think I really need to heed that advice next week - so watch for an odd
frequency (e.g. 10118.7) for the net next week.

Running QRP-10W has it's disadvantages - especially when a DX station
(TO7K/TO7C?) starts calling on top of your net, and then you try to QSY up and
wind up in the middle of the DXers trying to call the DX.

The net started off quite nicely with AI4BJ/Mark in KY (K2 #3862 - RST 579).
Shortly after that, the DX station popped up. My first attempt to move involved
a QSY up to 10115.5 - then I started hearing the DXers calling. Then I tried to
announce another QSY to 10114.5.

So, if you were looking for the net and having a tough time locating it, I
finally ended up on 10114.5, and had no more check-ins after calling for about
10-15 minutes.

I then decided to make the best of the evening, and tried calling CQ - and
immediately was greeted by two replies. The stronger signal was W4ZLU/Bill in
AL. We had a very solid path since I was 589 (and he was s9+10dB at 50W).

Tuning around shortly after my contact, I did hear W4ATK (with N2KZ) mentioning
that he had a K2 at 10W - coincidentally, on 10115 - so, I'm sorry if you were
looking for the ECN.

The YL/'pre-Master Control' here has given me the okay to play radio while she
sleeps in Saturday morning - so I'm looking forward to working all of those
Elecraft S/N's out there.

73,
Daniel AA0NI
Oklahoma City
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Re: [Elecraft] suggestions for EQP practice

2005-03-11 Thread David A.Belsley

Mike:
  Well, I agree that my suggestion to use the short-hand response is 
not that good, but not for the reason you give.  Wayne correctly 
pointed out that it would confuse informal participants, and I think 
that is true.  However, your concern does not really have force.  Since 
non-Elecraft participants will not be using a response that includes 
the K, there is no reason anyone should, a priori, be expecting the K 
as the first letter of the exchange.   But, be that as it may, I agree 
with your ultimate conclusion.  And, yep, with an NJ2 call, we ought be 
able to hook up, or, boy, the bands will be in very bad shape.


best wishes,

dave belsley, w1euy



On Mar 11, 2005, at 6:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


David, I would disagree with you.

One of the things that make contesting a little bit easier (sometimes) 
is the fact that there is a published exchange, and if everyone 
follows it, I think it ends up providing much smoother contacts 
because you know what's coming next.


How many times has someone sent something out of order in a contest, 
and that's the way you copied it into your logger, then you had to go 
back and reenter the fields because now it's not right?


Everyone is going to be expecting a K as the first letter in the rig 
portion of the exchange for almost all of their qso's.  Sending 
something different, especially a number instead of a letter (in this 
case) I think will just cause more problems for most people and would 
not justify trying to save the amount of time it takes to sent a K.


Having said that, hope to see you on the air.  K

72,
Mike, NJ2OM





From: David A.Belsley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/03/10 Thu AM 07:47:37 CST
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] suggestions for EQP practice

May I suggest that we try to make the EQP contest unique among current
contests by attempting to give actual (meaningful) signal reports.
Because of the association of this content with QRP, the wholesale use
of 5nn seems really quite out of place.  It will also be good practice
to those who haven't fully come to grips with the proper use of RST
reports to learn to make snap judgments about a proper report.  Those
snap judgments are usually pretty good, often better than ones that 
get

deeper consideration.

And if you are looking to find a way to make up for the little bit of
time it takes to give an honest report, consider adopting, in place of
sending K2 nr 4321 or K1 nr 548 simply 2/4321 or 1/548.

Looking forward to getting some new s/n's, (there aren't any more
states)

dave belsley, w1euy, 2/744
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Re: [Elecraft] amp keying question

2005-03-11 Thread Dale Boresz

Hello Dwight,

The External PA Key jack does not source current to drive a relay; 
rather, it sinks current from the relay, so you essentially connect your 
relay between the +12 volt source and the External PA Key jack. So, if 
what you're asking, is how to connect an external relay with a 12 volt 
coil to the External PA Key jack on the KPA100, then...


- If you're using a 12 volt power supply separate from the one powering 
either your K2 or or KPA100, be sure that the external power supply 
ground is also connected to the KPA100 ground.


- Connect one lead of your relay to the (+) lead of your 12 volt supply 
through an in-line fuse holder, containing a 1/2 amp or 1 amp fuse.


- Connect the other lead of your relay to the External PA Key jack 
center pin on the KPA100.


- I'd recommend that you also place a diode such as a 1N4001 across the 
relay coil to suppress inverse EMF when the relay is de-engergized. This 
diode should be connected such that the cathode end of the diode (end 
with the band on it) is connected to the relay coil connection which 
goes to the (+) positive 12 volt line via the fuseholder, and the anode 
end of the diode (end *without* the band)  should be connected to the 
end of the coil which you connected to the KPA100 External PA Key jack. 
(Do NOT reverse the connection of this diode; Q9 in the KPA100 will not 
be appreciative, although your in-line fuse will protect it)


That should do it. When you transmit, your external relay will be 
energized, and you should be able to key your heathkit amplifier via the 
relay contacts.


73, Dale WA8SRA

Dwight wrote:


So, having tried and not succeeded, does anyone have a circuit suggestion to
tie in with the External PA Key jack on the kpa100? I need for it to key a
12 volt relay, so I can use it with my heathkit. Some how, Im missing it
 



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[Elecraft] AC6RM Elecraft Archives

2005-03-11 Thread Julian, G4ILO

I read this reflector via AC6RM's excellent online service.

Is there an option to cut out most of the various List... headers so I 
don't have to scroll down the page for each message to see the actual text.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Linux experts

2005-03-11 Thread Mike Markowski

Hi Martin,

I don't use samba much so I'm not positive what the problem is, but do a 
man lpoptions if you're using CUPS to manage your print services.  It 
sounds like you might want to do something like lpoptions -o 
job-sheets=none to turn off banner page printing.  If you're not using 
CUPS, just delete this email.  :-)


Mike  AB3AP

Martin wrote on 03/10/05 13:10 ET:

Hello elecrafters,
sorry for off topic bandwidth:

Have a problem when printing via Windows-Client - Samba/Linux -
Printserver.

After printing, an additional page with the owner of the printjob and
some other details on it is printed out.

How can i switch this off?

Suse Linux 8.0  (the culprit)
Printserver SMC ABR 7004  (not of any importance, but...)

/etc/printcap :

remote:\
:cm=lpdfilter method=raw color=yes:\
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/remote:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/remote/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/remote/acct:\
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:tr=:cl:sh:sf:


  



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[Elecraft] Long wire connection

2005-03-11 Thread J F
Hi Lee,

Something that I have used in the pass was a PL259
fitted with a 6-32 (I think that was the size) brass
threaded rod or a long screw with the head removed.
Solder it to the center pin, close off the ground
holes with tape and fill the body with epoxy. This
leaves you with a threaded portion to attach any type
of wire. You can either use a hose clamp or solder a
wire to the end of the shell for ground.

The only problem I can see is a lot of RF floating
around in the shack. I think you'd be better off
running coax of the shack to the long wire and attach
your counterpoise at that junction.

I'd still like to have a remote version of the KAT100
ala SGC...

Good luck!
Julius
n2wn
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Re: [Elecraft] filter alignment question

2005-03-11 Thread Vic Rosenthal

W3FPR - Don Wilhelm wrote:

If the tone pitch change is 20 Hz or less it is because of the quantizing
error in the K2 and nothing can be done about it.  The K2 firmware works to
preserve the pitch no matter where the filters are set as long as the signal
is anywhere within the filter passband.


Well, something CAN be done about it, if you don't mind changing the filter 
bandwidth slightly.  For example, suppose that you have set a filter to 400 Hz 
bandwidth and located the BFO so that the signal is centered in the filter, and 
suppose that the result is that the pitch of the centered signal comes out 10 
Hz. high.  Just change the bandwidth to 420 (or 380) Hz., readjust the BFO and 
let the K2's magic algorithm do its work.  Chances are it will come out on 
pitch.  I have been able to adjust all of my filters so that there is no change 
in pitch when I cycle through them.


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73,
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Fresno CA
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[Elecraft] FS: K2 upgrade kits

2005-03-11 Thread Ron Pfeiffer

Sold my K2 last year and never installed the following:

BFOMDKT  Toroid/PLL xtal upgrade
E850006   Match xtals(7) CW
K2KSB2XTLS  Match Xtals(14)
XFILMDKIT 2nd Filter upgradetotal cost $47.00

asking $35 shipped CONUS

Ron

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[Elecraft] SOLD : K2 upgrade kits

2005-03-11 Thread Ron Pfeiffer


Thanks all.

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 with 144Mhz transverter

2005-03-11 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
It looks like your RBW is way too high, which will increase the apparent 
noise level by a large amount. It should be set to 100 Hz also. Set your 
sweep to auto so it will go slowly enough to make the measurement. It 
will take some time for the sweep.


73, Eric


S55M wrote:


Hy Eric!

Thanks for Your answer.
The measurment setup is :
VBW 100Hz
RBW 10kHz
Span 500KHz

Any ideas what went wrong


Adi
- Original Message - 
From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: S55M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 with 144Mhz transverter




Hi Adi,

There must be something wrong with your K2 or measurement set up. As can


be seen


from the phase noise plot on our web page (under radio comparisons) the K2


TX


signal is better than -130 dBc when you get 10-20 kHz away from the


carrier.


Also, what b/w and span were you using on your 8590 analyzer?

On the receive side the XV and K2 pair are among the best out there. I do


not


know what was different about his set up.

73, Eric


S55M wrote:


OK...now I'm getting really angry HI HI :))...
First the transmitter (easy one)

I made a measurment with my HP8590A of the transmitted signal from K2 to
transwerter (signal after the first buffer).
When i moove 100 KHz away from carier there is -73dBc of signal


remaining.


After a little bit of conversation with local gurus probably this not to
good number (compared dBc's of other same 1.st class rtx's are -90
to -100dBc)




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[Elecraft] EQP reminder: starts tomorrow, 1500Z

2005-03-11 Thread wayne burdick
Just a quick reminder that the Elecraft QSO Party starts tomorrow at 
1500 Z and runs through Sunday at the same time. The bands are open 
here today -- with any luck they will be tomorrow, too.


Details at:

http://www.elecraft.com/Awards/eqp_2005.htm

I'll be trying to make QSOs on all eligible bands (160, 80, 40, 20, 15, 
and 10 meters). See you there!


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K1 KFL1-2 80m question C78/RFC8

2005-03-11 Thread Mike Morrow
Tom Juelich wrote:

I am just wondering what for are C78 and RFC8 on the RF
board?  They are only supplied with the 80m kit.

I don't remember what Gary Surrency at Elecraft said about the problems that 
were found on 80m that required these components.  You could email him directly.

I just went ahead and installed them in my early K1 (which did NOT have pads 
for C78 or holes for RFC8) when I built a board with 80m.

Can anyone tell me the value of C78 and RFC8?

C78 = 22 uF, RFC8 = 100 uH

I think it would be best for Elecraft to supply these two components standard 
with the basic kit so that all K1s would have them.

73,
Mike / KK5F

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[Elecraft] TNX FER..I/O construction

2005-03-11 Thread WA2JJH
OK, I am cutting thru this I/O kit like butter. Should have it done in  
another hour.. I am very interested in what type of software is available. 
 
  Of course like everybody else, I want the rig on the laptop for  control 
and display.
I am ultra interested in hidden menues or CPU instruction codes.
 
  Would it nice if the EEPROM could be converted to open code. Then  compile 
it on visual basic. Get the k2 to do things It did not know it could  do.
 
  My main idea would have an algorythm that accuratly controls the  bfo. Also 
the ability to of shift certain other oscillator freqs and amp  gains.
 
  With this one might be able to software emulate PBT or Vpbt, notch. 
 
  Of course you could use a parametric mic equilizer.
 
  Everthin would go back to normal mode.
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[Elecraft] K2 For Sale

2005-03-11 Thread Richard Cash, W4UGM
I have a like new K2 serial no. 349X for sale. It included the KSB2 and KAT2 
adapters and all paperwork. It works great! I want to build another and that 
is why I am selling. This is the second I have built. I am a retired 
electronics instructor and have built many, many kits and homebrew items. It 
is very well built and works great. $825 shipped in the US.
Richard Cash W4UGM (864) 463-4205 



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