Re: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
I saw this at Dayton - it was interesting. Myself I would not embed a 
Windows/Linux computer inside the radio, rather put an Ethernet connector on 
the computer with enough brains to have a network-addressable radio so that 
raw data can be accessed and processed on a PC. There is a great demand for 
this, who knows what the K3 will have?


Simon Brown
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An ad for this was in the latest CQ. Not yet available.

_http://www.getboost.com/dz/sienna.htm_
(http://www.getboost.com/dz/sienna.htm)


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[Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread crmabbott
Did I read that right, its a kit?

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 Looks pretty wild, but this is out of the price range of most of us
 amateurs...
 
 Alan, N3BJ
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 11/1/05 11:37:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 The number of hams with $6000 who want to connect pre-made cables
 to pre-assembled boards chock full of SMDs is likely a tad on the small
 side. And both of those guys already bought an IC-7800.
 

Maybe, but consider this:

Back in 1999, when the K2 hit the ham market, I recall a bit of negativity 
from
hams I knew. Typical comment went like this:

'The number of hams with $600 who want to stuff circuit boards, wind toroids 
and do all the other assembly and alignment work, just to get a QRP CW-only 
rig, is likely a tad on the small side.'

Or this:

'Why put a high-performance receiver on a QRP rig? You'll just hear a whole 
lot of stations you can't work'

Or this:

'The QRP market is too small to support such a complex and expensive rig. And 
in
a year or so Ikensu will come out with a competitor for less money'

Etc. Gloom and doom, yada yada yada.

5000+ K2's later, however, none of the gloom and doom has happened.

--

Is the Sienna competition? Not for Elecraft! Its competitors are rigs like 
the Orion, IC-7800, etc. 

To me the best features of the Sienna are:

- It offers the builder at least some level of repairability. 
- It can be configured the way you want it, rather than paying for features 
you don't want. Plus features can be added or removed in the future.

Gee, where have I seen those things before

73 de Jim, N2EY




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Re: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread Larry Phipps


You can do this with an embedded serial device server using any radio 
with a serial port... but of course you are limited to the supported 
commands/data on that port. If you have access to QST, see my article in 
the October edition... or go to the Remote Control of Networked Station 
Equipment link on my website, www.telepostinc.com


I think most high-end radios will eventually include an ethernet port... 
or possibly even wi-fi.


Larry N8LP



Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:

I saw this at Dayton - it was interesting. Myself I would not embed a 
Windows/Linux computer inside the radio, rather put an Ethernet 
connector on the computer with enough brains to have a 
network-addressable radio so that raw data can be accessed and 
processed on a PC. There is a great demand for this, who knows what 
the K3 will have?


Simon Brown
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An ad for this was in the latest CQ. Not yet available.

_http://www.getboost.com/dz/sienna.htm_
(http://www.getboost.com/dz/sienna.htm)


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RE: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread Darwin, Keith
Na, you're looking at it all wrong.  This is great news for Elecraft.

Gee honey, look how cheap a fully-loaded K2 is compared to the other
alternative.  Will all the money I'm saving I can get a K1 and a new PC

:-)

- Keith -

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Re: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)

I'm thinking of three major computer-related 'opportunities' for the K3:

[1] A true network device with Ethernet (maybe USB but this is overkill 
IMHO),

[2] Access to bandscope info via the network.
[3] Audio / digital pre-audio data via the network.

This hardware is not too expensive nowadays, and if there is a willing group 
of programmers the computer software needed can be free. The FlexRadio 
software is gently moving in this direction, may be a good testbed for these 
ideas.


Obviously an external box could be built which handles this for all radios 
but what I really, really want is bandscope data at a nice high speed.


I'm so impressed with my KX-1 kit that I am having a battle with my VISA 
card to stop me buying a K1 as well :-)


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You can do this with an embedded serial device server using any radio with 
a serial port... but of course you are limited to the supported 
commands/data on that port. If you have access to QST, see my article in 
the October edition... or go to the Remote Control of Networked Station 
Equipment link on my website, www.telepostinc.com


I think most high-end radios will eventually include an ethernet port... 
or possibly even wi-fi.



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Re: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
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Na, you're looking at it all wrong.  This is great news for Elecraft.

Gee honey, look how cheap a fully-loaded K2 is compared to the other
alternative.  Will all the money I'm saving I can get a K1 and a new PC

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You forgot: honey, you can keep the house and car, I only need the shack!

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Re: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread Geoffrey Gallaway

Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:

I'm thinking of three major computer-related 'opportunities' for the K3:

[1] A true network device with Ethernet (maybe USB but this is overkill 
IMHO),

[2] Access to bandscope info via the network.
[3] Audio / digital pre-audio data via the network.
I agree that radios with external control interfaces (serial, USB, 
ethernet, I care not) are a great idea however there may be issues with 
the audio processing/management available via that same interface.. 
You're adding some delay/latency there and you're also adding complexity 
on the radio side to pump that analog audio out via a digital interface 
(possibly compressed).  I'd rather just do it via ye ole analog in/out..


Geoffeg (KC8FDU)
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Re: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread Larry Phipps


100Mb ethernet has more than enough BW and low latency... uncompressed 
PCM at voice quality is easily done... existing ethernet interfaces 
exist with built-in processors, lots of memory, multiple serial data 
ports and a web server, all in a package that looks like an ethernet PCB 
connector.


The only issue would be cost (these gadgets currently run about $50 in 
single lots). One company even has a small carrier board that includes 
digital audio in 8 different formats, including mp3. I have been looking 
at adding some of these gadgets to some of my projects.


Larry N8LP



Geoffrey Gallaway wrote:


Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:


I'm thinking of three major computer-related 'opportunities' for the K3:

[1] A true network device with Ethernet (maybe USB but this is 
overkill IMHO),

[2] Access to bandscope info via the network.
[3] Audio / digital pre-audio data via the network.


I agree that radios with external control interfaces (serial, USB, 
ethernet, I care not) are a great idea however there may be issues 
with the audio processing/management available via that same 
interface.. You're adding some delay/latency there and you're also 
adding complexity on the radio side to pump that analog audio out via 
a digital interface (possibly compressed).  I'd rather just do it via 
ye ole analog in/out..


Geoffeg (KC8FDU)
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[Elecraft] Re: Competition for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread Allen C. Ward
Gazooks!  This rig has everything!  No, wait, there is no crockpot for chili.  
Maybe it will be part of the extra $3000 worth of add-ons.
Allen KA5N
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[Elecraft] K3 COMPETITION FOR K2 ? ? ?

2005-11-02 Thread James Kelley
Icom has a radio that cost $10.500  Yaesu has their multi megabuck black
box with knobs on it, and now someone is suggesting a competion for the K2
that is going to cost $3K+ 

  Well NO THANK YOU. I am having enough trouble, especially on a social
insecurity fixed income, getting together the $1K +/- that I need for a K2
and options I would like to have, not necessarily need, just would like to
have. So I will stick to my Icom 706MK2G and keep saving for a K2 and I'll
let the big dogs run after the fancy stuff while I just sit here on the
porch and enjoy ham radio... 
Just one HAM's opinion

73  Jim K4YBB


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[Elecraft] ARCBS Spookfest Log Submissions

2005-11-02 Thread Edward R. Breneiser
Hello all,

Yes I screwed up yet again! I had a bad link on the website for log
submissions. I just fixed the link this morning. Thanks for telling me
about it. Please send all scores to:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Here are the logs I've received to date (11/2):

AA8QQ
W7PSK
K5PAX
W3HF
VE2LHP
WA3WSJ

If you're not on this list, please resubmit your log and score sheet.
I just finished the Spooktificate yesterday and it looks good! Anyone
who submits a log will receive a Spooktificate. Who knows, maybe you'll
take an award too! Don't forget to check the QRP Box if you operated
qrp! To date no qrp entries have been submitted, but the 070 Boys were
active on PSK31.

72/73,
Ed, WA3WSJ


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Re: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread Mark Baugh

And, did you read the size of this puppy?  No
mobile operation for this thing in my little Saturn. 
Probably not too conducive to portable operation,
either.  I think I'll keep my K2/100.  Oh, yes, the
$6K could be a small problem, too.

73,
Mark Baugh
W5EZY
Grenada MS



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[Elecraft] Counterpoises for KAT100

2005-11-02 Thread Gil Stacy
I’d like to pigtail counterpoises for 10, 30, 80 and 160 meters for my 
200+/- wire which is configured as an endfed inverted U up about 65-70’.  
The horizontal run is about 90’; the down-turned end is about 50’ long, and 
stops about 15’ from earth.  The horizontal run is across a steel-shingled 
roof with a ridgeline up about 26’ from earth. (If the 50' downturn is 
counterproductive, I could eliminate it, but the antenna doubles on my dx 
xtal radio set and seems to work better with this ant.)


For the ¼ wave counterpoises,  I’d like to feed them to my KAT100 with a 
single wire 6’ long.  I would prefer to join the longer c.p.’s to this 
single wire outside the window.  Is this practical?  I assume I would 
subtract the 6’ from the calculated ¼ wavelength of each band and attach 
wires of respective lengths to the 6’ wire.  I’ll probably pigtail the 10 
meter c.p. closer to the KAT100 inside the shack and keep it along the 
floorboard.


C.P. height:  Resources indicate a preferred height of 6-8’ above ground.  
Is this a minimum or could I lay the 80 and 160 meter c.p.’s on top of my 
roof?  I will not be able to lay out the 160 meter c.p. in a straight line 
in any event.


Tnx es 73, Gil NN4CW


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[Elecraft] Re: Competition for Elecraft???

2005-11-02 Thread Dave G.
Loyalty is a great thing and is to be admired, but to keep 
things in comparative and fair perspective...

A fully loaded K2/100 with K2DSP and the  external tuner is 
$1662 in kit form. 

And not forgetting that the  K2 does NOT have a built in 
expandable PC with a USB I/O port...flash upgradeable. 

As for being semi-built... we have a fair number of gentlemen 
who will, and do, build K2's for users..

I would think the Sienna is aimed at a different market than 
the traditional Elecraft'er.. possibly the digitally inclined 
Ham ??

I have now donned my asbestos suit  :^\

Dave KK7SS

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[Elecraft] FT-817 - Elecraft T1 Y adapter

2005-11-02 Thread Julian (G4ILO)
Has anyone made available a Y adapter to allow the FT-817 control cable for 
the T1 ATU to be used at the same time as a CAT interface cable?

I suppose I could try to figure out how to make one, but I haven't found a 
source for inline mimi DIN 8 pin sockets, and these days I can't see well 
enough to solder the things anyway... 
--
Julian, G4ILO
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RE: [Elecraft] Re: Competition for Elecraft???

2005-11-02 Thread Craig Rairdin
This thread is getting repetitive (price being the main objection) but for
the purpose of improving future Elecraft designs its worth noting that
embedding a PC is a Bad Thing. For one thing, the 1GHz PC in the Sienna is
already obsolete due to the lengthy design and manufacturing time associated
with the rest of the radio. I bought a 2GHz PC last weekend for $299. I bet
you pay more than that for the older technology in the Sienna.

The only time it makes sense is if there's a fully integrated software
package that controls the user interface and hides the fact that it's really
an XP machine in the box. And even then you could accomplish the same thing
using the cheaper Windows Embedded or even Linux OS. 

For example, the multi-function display in my airplane that shows traffic,
weather radar, lightning strikes, and moving map is really a Windows NT
computer running a program that takes over the system when it boots up. I
don't care how much memory is in it and I have no idea how fast the
processor is. It just works. If there was something like that in a radio I
suppose I wouldn't care. 

Personally, I'd rather have a great software suite already in the radio
rather than loading up an embedded computer with a bunch of freeware and
letting me pick from among lots of mediocre options. I mean, you don't give
me a piece of aluminum and tell me to punch holes for the buttons wherever I
want. You design the front panel to optimize space usage, usability, parts
placement, etc. I would expect the radio designer to do the same with the
software. I wouldn't, for example, want to have to go to several places on
the Web to download the software that runs the various controllers in the K2
and have to pick my preference from among several programs, some free and
some for sale. 

All that said, I would love it if the K3 had a nice LCD color display with a
bandscope, CW/RTTY/PSK/etc. coder/decoder built in, ability to display both
A and B freqs at the same time, etc. And in true Elecraft tradition it
should have a probe built in that I could move to various places so I could
use the built-in display as an oscilloscope and logic analyzer for signal
tracing. Not that I've ever made a mistake that required signal tracing, but
it would be cool. (In my best Homer Simpson voice: mmm, technology for
its own sake!.)

Craig
NZ0R
K1 #1966
K2/100 #4941


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[Elecraft] Smile

2005-11-02 Thread Phil LaMarche
I have a big smile knowing the competition is also monitoring these email's
about themselves.  The exposure of Elecraft is wonderful.

K2 etc.

Philip LaMarche
LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
www.instantgourmetspices.com
727-944-3226
800-395-7795 pin 02
FAX 727-937-8834
NASFT #30210
W9DVM 

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RE: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread EricJ
 

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

In a message dated 11/1/05 11:37:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 The number of hams with $6000 who want to connect pre-made cables
 to pre-assembled boards chock full of SMDs is likely a tad on the small
 side. And both of those guys already bought an IC-7800.
 

Maybe, but consider this:

Back in 1999, when the K2 hit the ham market, I recall a bit of negativity 
from
hams I knew. Typical comment went like this:

'The number of hams with $600 who want to stuff circuit boards, wind toroids

and do all the other assembly and alignment work, just to get a QRP CW-only 
rig, is likely a tad on the small side.'

KE6US: Actually, in 1999 Elecraft would have been riding the crest of a
Golden Age for QRP, CW and a resurgence in homebrewing. It all came together
including two guys with the right combination of engineering, marketing and
management talent. Of course, it wouldn't appeal to everyone. That's the
point of niche marketing. If you broaden the niche, you run head-on into
Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu. If you narrow the niche, you can't sell the
critical mass needed to survive. I'm suggesting that Sienna's niche is too
small.


Or this:

'Why put a high-performance receiver on a QRP rig? You'll just hear a whole 
lot of stations you can't work'

KE6US: This would have been coming from those who were not already QRPers.
As I said, Elecraft hit the market at a time when interest in QRP was
growing.


Or this:

'The QRP market is too small to support such a complex and expensive rig.
And 
in
a year or so Ikensu will come out with a competitor for less money'

Etc. Gloom and doom, yada yada yada.

5000+ K2's later, however, none of the gloom and doom has happened.

--

Is the Sienna competition? Not for Elecraft! Its competitors are rigs like

the Orion, IC-7800, etc. 

KE6US: I agree. So that puts a small company in Colorado in direct
competition with the industry leaders. It's not smart marketing. Instead of
carving out a profitable niche that is of no interest to the market leaders,
they assault them directly and join the fight for market share. That isn't
niche marketing...it is often just suicide.


To me the best features of the Sienna are:

- It offers the builder at least some level of repairability.

KE6US: Limited to the areas the builder potentially screwed up...cabling
errors and solder joints.

The customer service for these people is going to be unimaginable. Not only
will they be taking on all the construction errors, they will be taking on
every computer burp! Customer service will deal with every XP problem,
computer application problem, etc. And having it all in one case is going to
appeal more to those who know the least about computers.

Again, Elecraft got it right. The design anticipates customer service issues
from inexperienced builders. DV's biggest vulnerability is in customer
service.

 
- It can be configured the way you want it, rather than paying for features 
you don't want. 

KE6US: Not exactly an issue for someone who wants a $10K IC-7800 or FT-9000,
is it? And these are Sienna's potential customers.

Plus features can be added or removed in the future.

KE6US: That seems to be the direction everything is headed and that's a good
thing.


Gee, where have I seen those things before...
73 de Jim, N2EY

KE6US: It will be interesting to see if it plays out the same.

Eric
KE6US
www.ke6us.com




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RE: [Elecraft] Counterpoises for KAT100

2005-11-02 Thread Don Wilhelm
Gil,

For effective counterpoise operation, you should tune them to the proper
length.  If you tune them in place, you will not have to worry about ground
effects and proximity to other objects detuning them.  Cut them longer than
you think you will need.  Yes, you can connect them to your single 6 ft.
wire as long as you include that wire in the tuning process.

If you have an antenna analyzer, or better yet, an old fashioned grid dip
meter, put the wires in place (disconnected from the KAT100) and find the
resonant frequency of the counterpoise wire (hint, it will be a half wave
'dipole' at double the operating frequency and should show resonance by a
dip or zero impedance - how to couple the meter into the wire is the main
problem to be solved here).  Once you get them tuned, they should be
effective in providing a good RF Ground at the KAT100 ground connection
(where it should be).

Yes, the wires should be at least 6 to 8 feet high - in other words, keep
them out of reach for humans and pets - they will carry RF Current and have
high RF Voltage at the far end, so plan on using adequate insulators.

73,
Don W3FPR

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 Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises for KAT100


 I’d like to pigtail counterpoises for 10, 30, 80 and 160 meters for my
 200+/- wire which is configured as an endfed inverted U up about 65-70’.
 The horizontal run is about 90’; the down-turned end is about 50’
 long, and
 stops about 15’ from earth.  The horizontal run is across a
 steel-shingled
 roof with a ridgeline up about 26’ from earth. (If the 50' downturn is
 counterproductive, I could eliminate it, but the antenna doubles on my dx
 xtal radio set and seems to work better with this ant.)

 For the ¼ wave counterpoises,  I’d like to feed them to my KAT100 with a
 single wire 6’ long.  I would prefer to join the longer c.p.’s to this
 single wire outside the window.  Is this practical?  I assume I would
 subtract the 6’ from the calculated ¼ wavelength of each band and attach
 wires of respective lengths to the 6’ wire.  I’ll probably pigtail the 10
 meter c.p. closer to the KAT100 inside the shack and keep it along the
 floorboard.

 C.P. height:  Resources indicate a preferred height of 6-8’ above
 ground.
 Is this a minimum or could I lay the 80 and 160 meter c.p.’s on top of my
 roof?  I will not be able to lay out the 160 meter c.p. in a
 straight line
 in any event.

 Tnx es 73, Gil NN4CW


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Re: [Elecraft] Competition coming for Elecraft?

2005-11-02 Thread n2ey
 One thought about rig prices (like $3000+ for an Orion, $6000 for a Sienna, 
etc.): Inflation.
 
Back in 1958, a bare-bones (no extra filters, no reduction tuning knob) Collins 
75A-4 cost $695 IIRC. I dunno what that equates to in 2005 dollars, but I bet 
it's more than $3000. And the 75A-4 was just a ham-bands-only *receiver* that 
couldn't even transceive! 
 
A nice new car back then was what - $2000? A nice suburban house was maybe 
$30,000. Etc.
 
And a family with an income of $10,000/yr was definitely upper middle class. 
Most people got by on much less.
 
When Collins came out with the S-line, about 45 years ago, a KWM-2 was $1095 or 
thereabouts. A 75S-1/32S-1 combo was even more money - $1400? Yet there was a 
market for such rigs even though the number of hams then was a fraction of what 
it is today. 
 
To me it's simply amazing that the hams of yesteryear could afford some of the 
rigs they had. 
 
73 de Jim, N2EY
 
 
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[Elecraft] K3

2005-11-02 Thread n3drk
Did I miss something here about the K3? You guys are talking about the K3 and 
there will Never be a K3 guys! 
73s
john-n3drk
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Re: [Elecraft] K3

2005-11-02 Thread Geoffrey Gallaway
Never *ever*? Who are you who is so wise in the way of telling the 
future? :)


n3drk wrote:
Did I miss something here about the K3? You guys are talking about the K3 and there will Never be a K3 guys! 
73s

john-n3drk
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RE: [Elecraft] K3

2005-11-02 Thread Jess Gypin
And we never thought there would be a rig to compete with the Index Labs, or
something that you can build yourself that puts mega-buck rigs to shame.
Never say never. Can I borrow your crystal ball? I want to buy some
stock

Jess AE0CW

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Never *ever*? Who are you who is so wise in the way of telling the
future? :)

n3drk wrote:
 Did I miss something here about the K3? You guys are talking about the K3
and there will Never be a K3 guys!
 73s
 john-n3drk
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Re: [Elecraft] K3

2005-11-02 Thread n3drk

The name here is Carnac.



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Never *ever*? Who are you who is so wise in the way of telling the 
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RE: [Elecraft] never a K3

2005-11-02 Thread Bill NY9H


someone said there will never OOPS   THE NEVER WORD,,

I do hope there will be a variable passband implementation either 
within the framework of the 2 or perhaps the three.. there, I said it  K3.


Also the noise blanker could be enhanced , since the electrical crap 
(RFI) will never get better but worse... .maybe with a sense out 
of band...with an adjustable pulse width,,and threshold,,,



Since the Chicago White Sox won the World Series , a lot of  Cub fans 
have to forget the word  Never  as in  SOX  win the World 
series...never!!!


back to qsl cards...

bill 


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RE: [Elecraft] Counterpoises for KAT100

2005-11-02 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
One comment to add to Don's is that the length of the common wire must be
SHORT in terms of WAVELENGTH. As Don said, you want the counterpoises to be
close to a resonant 1/4 wavelength on each band

Six feet is small on 80 or 40 meters, but it starts becoming significant on
the higher bands. For example, on 10 meters you only need an 8-foot
counterpoise. Hooking other counterpoises only two feet from the
high-impedance far end will drastically detune it. I doubt if you can get it
to show any sort of resonance on 28 MHz. It may well be an issue as far down
14 MHz as well.

If you want to band-hop as fast as your KAT100 can switch between them,
arrange separate counterpoises on the higher-frequency bands. Instead of
running outdoors, try running them along your baseboards with each one going
directly to the rig.   

Another way to deal with that is to use a small single-ended matching
network just like you'd use with any end-fed antenna except the 'hot' lead
to the transmitter connects to the transmitter case or ground, of course.
Then you adjust the network for maximum current into the counterpoise for
the band you are using. SWR is not any concern, just maximum RF current. How
do you measure the current? Put a small flashlight bulb in series with the
counterpoise temporarily to tell what adjustment produces the best current.
Unless the counterpoise is very short in terms of wavelengths, one
adjustment will be FB for an entire band. Once you've found it, short out
the bulb to keep it from burning out. Often a watt or less will produce a
lot of light! 

Once you know the settings you can not them so you can simply reset the
controls to the right places for each band. 

For a matching network, a simple tapped coil and series variable will work.
Some companies make these circuits all built up and ready to hook up,
complete with a wiggly-meter RF current indicator. MFJ's Artificial Ground
is one.

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Competition for Elecraft???

2005-11-02 Thread Fred Jensen
Ahh, come on, some of us males, (and most hams are male) are colorblind 
-- really.


Fred K6DGW
Auburn CA CM98lw

Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:

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All that said, I would love it if the K3 had a nice LCD color display...
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Re: [Elecraft] Smile

2005-11-02 Thread Brian Wood

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Re: [Elecraft] Smile

2005-11-02 Thread Brian Wood
Well, that message certainly got mangled. Let's try again...

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I appreciate all your comments 
about the Sienna. I have talked to Eric, and I respect the
folks at Elecraft greatly. It is largely because they took the gamble to start 
a new kit company when everyone was saying it couldn't be done that the doors 
have been opened for others. I don't see us as competitors, but rather as two 
sides of the same coin, hopefully growing the industry so that both companies 
can prosper, and giving you more choices. In fact, this is one reason the 
Sienna is not positioned to compete with the K2/100 but to give you a cheaper 
alternative to the big, expensive Japanese boxes while still being able to 
build it yourself. At least until Elecraft comes out with a high-end rig, we 
are in two completely different niches. The Sienna is most definitely not a 
backpacker's rig!

Dave Packard, in his book The HP Way, said that in the early days of the 
electronics industry (the 20's and 30's), businesses like HP, Varian, General 
Radio, Fluke and others shared resources, equipment and techniques so that they 
could all prosper. Once, when engineers told Dave how HP's board testers had 
clobbered Genrad's market share, he said he was sorry to hear that, because he 
and the founders of GR had been friends. I hope you all can see that it should 
be good for America (and the world) to have more American ham radio companies. 
We all benefit from the increased buzz.

Just as there was once room for Heathkit, Eico, Dynaco, Knight and others, 
there is room for all of us today. Frankly, rather than grumbling about 
competition and how crazy an idea it is to put a PC (easily  upgradeable, by 
the way, to answer one objection) in a radio, we should all be more concerned 
with the state of amateur radio today and doing all we can to attract new hams 
- true, died-in-the-wool, build-it-yourself hams - so that we can all continue 
to enjoy this great hobby.

73,
Brian, W0DZ
Founder, DZKit
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[Elecraft] running an external amp?

2005-11-02 Thread Bill Allen
If I decide to drive an external amp with my K2, do I need to disable the
ATU?

73,
Bill - WA5PB
K2 #1068




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Re: [Elecraft] running an external amp?

2005-11-02 Thread Vic K2VCO

Bill Allen wrote:

If I decide to drive an external amp with my K2, do I need to disable the
ATU?


It's not a good idea to try to operate the tuner when driving an amp, 
although sometimes it's useful if you are careful.  Probably the best 
thing to do is to tune the K2 into a dummy load and activate the tuner. 
  This will set the tuner up for a 50-ohm load.   Then connect the amp 
and do not activate the tuner.  Most amps should provide an SWR of 1.5:1 
or less.


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re:[Elecraft] Smile

2005-11-02 Thread W6NEK

Great comments Brian,
I have read everything on your web site and am anxious to see you bring this
AMERICAN product to market.  I wish you and your team the very best of luck.

I have built 10 K2 rigs and think it is without a doubt the best performing
radio, dollar for dollar, in its target market.  I also own and enjoy the
Icom 7800.  As a multi K2 builder I ask myself if the 7800 is $9,000 better
then the K2/100?  The answer is NO and YES.  NO, because I have yet to work
a station on the 7800 that I couldn't work with the K2.  Yes, because I love
the look, feel, and joy when I sit in front of 7800.  Is just feels great to
operate.  Therefore, is there room for a Sienna at my QTH?  If it performs
like a K2, and feels like a 7800 then you bet there is!  Bring it on guys.
The more choice in the HAM market place the better!

73,
Frank - W6NEK

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Phil LaMarche [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Smile



Well, that message certainly got mangled. Let's try again...

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I appreciate all your
comments about the Sienna. I have talked to Eric, and I respect the
folks at Elecraft greatly. It is largely because they took the gamble to
start a new kit company when everyone was saying it couldn't be done that
the doors have been opened for others. I don't see us as competitors, but
rather as two sides of the same coin, hopefully growing the industry so
that both companies can prosper, and giving you more choices. In fact,
this is one reason the Sienna is not positioned to compete with the K2/100
but to give you a cheaper alternative to the big, expensive Japanese boxes
while still being able to build it yourself. At least until Elecraft comes
out with a high-end rig, we are in two completely different niches. The
Sienna is most definitely not a backpacker's rig!

SNIP

Just as there was once room for Heathkit, Eico, Dynaco, Knight and others,
there is room for all of us today. Frankly, rather than grumbling about
competition and how crazy an idea it is to put a PC (easily  upgradeable,
by the way, to answer one objection) in a radio, we should all be more
concerned with the state of amateur radio today and doing all we can to
attract new hams - true, died-in-the-wool, build-it-yourself hams - so
that we can all continue to enjoy this great hobby.

73,
Brian, W0DZ
Founder, DZKit


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Re: [Elecraft] running an external amp?

2005-11-02 Thread K6MR
Not sure if you mean the KAT-2 or the KAT-100, but I drive both my amps 
with the KAT-100s in line from both radios.  I don't know how the tuner 
would know the difference between an antenna or an amplifier input 
network.  I just let the tuner cycle (it's real quick) using the tune 
button the first time I activate the amp.  Then use the keyer to tune 
with dits.


Ken  K6MR

Vic K2VCO wrote:


Bill Allen wrote:

If I decide to drive an external amp with my K2, do I need to disable 
the

ATU?



It's not a good idea to try to operate the tuner when driving an amp, 
although sometimes it's useful if you are careful.  Probably the best 
thing to do is to tune the K2 into a dummy load and activate the 
tuner.   This will set the tuner up for a 50-ohm load.   Then connect 
the amp and do not activate the tuner.  Most amps should provide an 
SWR of 1.5:1 or less.




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Re: [Elecraft] running an external amp?

2005-11-02 Thread Vic K2VCO

K6MR wrote:
Not sure if you mean the KAT-2 or the KAT-100, but I drive both my amps 
with the KAT-100s in line from both radios.  I don't know how the tuner 
would know the difference between an antenna or an amplifier input 
network.  I just let the tuner cycle (it's real quick) using the tune 
button the first time I activate the amp.  Then use the keyer to tune 
with dits.


The KAT2 and KAT100 are pretty similar.  The difference between an 
antenna and an amplifier input network is that the impedance seen when 
driving an amplifier changes as the amplifier is driven harder!  So you 
can get a sort of unstable condition in which the tuner tries to match a 
varying impedance.  This is probably not harmful since you are tuning at 
reduced power, but it's not clear that the tuner will find an 
appropriate match.  That's why I recommend tuning the K2 into a 50-ohm 
dummy load first, and then using it to drive the amp.


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Fresno CA
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RE: [Elecraft] running an external amp?

2005-11-02 Thread Bill Allen
Thanks for the advice guys.  I am shutting down the K2 for the night and
headed to bed!  :-)

73,
Bill - WA5PB
K2 #1068


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K6MR wrote:
 Not sure if you mean the KAT-2 or the KAT-100, but I drive both my amps 
 with the KAT-100s in line from both radios.  I don't know how the tuner 
 would know the difference between an antenna or an amplifier input 
 network.  I just let the tuner cycle (it's real quick) using the tune 
 button the first time I activate the amp.  Then use the keyer to tune 
 with dits.

The KAT2 and KAT100 are pretty similar.  The difference between an 
antenna and an amplifier input network is that the impedance seen when 
driving an amplifier changes as the amplifier is driven harder!  So you 
can get a sort of unstable condition in which the tuner tries to match a 
varying impedance.  This is probably not harmful since you are tuning at 
reduced power, but it's not clear that the tuner will find an 
appropriate match.  That's why I recommend tuning the K2 into a 50-ohm 
dummy load first, and then using it to drive the amp.

-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Re: [Elecraft] K3

2005-11-02 Thread S55M
Everybody's talking abt K3 but after K2 there is only Mt. Everest left :)


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Re: [Elecraft] K3

2005-11-02 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)

On your planet maybe :-)

Simon Brown
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Everybody's talking abt K3 but after K2 there is only Mt. Everest left :)

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Re: [Elecraft] K3

2005-11-02 Thread S55M
Simon , you might be right!
I was thinking with local-narrow filter in ON position.
:)


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 On your planet maybe :-)

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  Everybody's talking abt K3 but after K2 there is only Mt. Everest left
:)
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[Elecraft] K2 S/N 5023 Now K2/100

2005-11-02 Thread John W Sims
Yippee!  First K2/100 QSO tonight--8N1C50A (what a callsign--that's what
I copied), 40m CW.

Performed the final alignment steps with local super tech friend K7JN
looking over my shoulder--thanks, Jim!

Great job, Elecraft.  Construction was straightforward, and I took great
care to avoid the need for any troubleshooting--so far, so good.

A special Thank you! to Gary and Richard at Elecraft--they answered all
my construction questions quickly and thoroughly.

Thanks to N6XI, too--sent him several questions Sunday which were quickly
answered.

Now it's time to have fun with the rig.

73,

John, N7ON

P.S.  Attention novice builders--you can do it!
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