Re: [Elecraft] Microphones for K2/3
Charles Harpole wrote: I see that now Elecraft is offering sale of a Heil K2 Pro Set mic/headphone unit, saying it is optimized for K2. I assume that also means K3. Charles brings up a good point. What is it that makes any microphone optimized for any radio. Pin outs are obvious of course. - Impedance? - Bandwidth? - Signal Strength? John ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 front panel assembly
One again, it pays to search the archives... http://marc.info/?l=elecraftm=117774253022323w=2 I would say that since knobs are mentioned as part of the modular assembly, that the front panel is just the front panel; we do the attaching, mounting, etc. Just a guess (educated guess?). de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] front panel ibid
http://marc.info/?l=elecraftm=117782676508526w=2 another post by Wayne de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Microphones for K2/3
Marketing. :) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/5/07, John Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles brings up a good point. What is it that makes any microphone optimized for any radio. Pin outs are obvious of course. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 front panel assembly
Folks: In Field Testing the (hopefully) soon-to-be-released K3 Assembly Manual (I had to COMPLETELY disassemble my FT K3 and reassemble it from the manual), I recall that the Front Panel (Cover) is received separately from the Front Panel PC board ASSEMBLY. So yes... you WILL have to assemble the Front Panel PC board assembly TO the Front Panel (cover)... including installation of all the knobs, etc. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS At 05:58 09/05/2007, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: One again, it pays to search the archives... http://marc.info/?l=elecraftm=117774253022323w=2 I would say that since knobs are mentioned as part of the modular assembly, that the front panel is just the front panel; we do the attaching, mounting, etc. Just a guess (educated guess?). de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 - Low output during initial TX alignment
On 9/4/07, Mychael Morohovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to offer that I do include a note with my K2 sets instructing the builder not to pull the leads too tightly while installing K2-T2. Hi Mychael. I didn't mean to sound insulting or belittle your service in anyway. However, looking back at the email and thinking about how quickly I wrote it, I can see how it can be construed as such. So please accept my apologies. The incorrect installation of T2 was definitely my fault by pulling the leads too tight. However, had I taken to time to wind and tin the toroids myself, I may have been a bit more patient with their actual installation as well. Who knows though, maybe not. Thanks again. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 - Low output during initial TX alignment
Hi, John- Thank you for your post, as well as for the use of my service. In rereading what I had written, I believe that my post might have come with a terseness that I had not intended, so my apologies as well. K2-T2 is a little tricky to get right, as is communicating with the written word it would seem- hi! 73, Mychael AA3WF K2 #1025 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 front panel assembly
Tom, Do you know if the same guy that winds the kit toroids will offer a service to mount the K3 knobs to the FrontPanel PC board ASSEMBLY? ;-) [Elecraft] K3 front panel assembly Tom Hammond n0ss at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 5 07:28:50 EDT 2007 Folks: In Field Testing the (hopefully) soon-to-be-released K3 Assembly Manual (I had to COMPLETELY disassemble my FT K3 and reassemble it from the manual), I recall that the Front Panel (Cover) is received separately from the FrontPanel PC board ASSEMBLY. So yes... you WILL have to assemble the Front Panel PC board assembly TO the Front Panel (cover)... including installation of all the knobs, etc. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 front panel assembly
Do you know if the same guy that winds the kit toroids will offer a service to mount the K3 knobs to the FrontPanel PC board ASSEMBLY? ;-) Speaking of toroids, I assume the K3 modules will come with coils wound and soldered? I like soldering but I hate winding toroids... to put it mildly. 73 de Franki ON5ZO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 front panel assembly
From pictures and comments here, the boards come completely assembled and tested - the must be fitted if they are tested. On 5/9/07 15:52, Franki ON5ZO [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Do you know if the same guy that winds the kit toroids will offer a service to mount the K3 knobs to the FrontPanel PC board ASSEMBLY? ;-) Speaking of toroids, I assume the K3 modules will come with coils wound and soldered? I like soldering but I hate winding toroids... to put it mildly. 73 de Franki ON5ZO -- God gives every bird his worm, but he does not throw it into the nest. -Swedish proverb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 front panel assembly
That's right Tom. The front panel board comes separate from the panel itself, but all the pushbutton switches are pre-installed on the board. It's a matter of putting the right spacers in place, then mounting the board on the front panel and adding the knobs. The nice VFO A bezel and LCD display cover attach to the front with 2-56 screws. The two encoders (VFO A and VFO B) are separate little modules that plug into the front panel board and are held in place on the front panel by nuts on their threaded bushings. Finally, the DSP board mounts piggyback on the front panel board and the whole front panel assembly is ready to plug into the main chassis assembly. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Folks: In Field Testing the (hopefully) soon-to-be-released K3 Assembly Manual (I had to COMPLETELY disassemble my FT K3 and reassemble it from the manual), I recall that the Front Panel (Cover) is received separately from the Front Panel PC board ASSEMBLY. So yes... you WILL have to assemble the Front Panel PC board assembly TO the Front Panel (cover)... including installation of all the knobs, etc. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 for sale
Following for sale within European Union: K2 s/No3969550 E with Reworks Eliminator (kit) and finger dimple KAT2 140 E KDSP2 180 E KSB2 70 E KNB2 (kit) 25 E Benny OH9NB [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 front panel assembly
ALL K3 modules will be FULLY ASSEMBLED, TESTED, and (I'm pretty certain) pre-aligned! Tom At 09:52 09/05/2007, Franki ON5ZO wrote: Do you know if the same guy that winds the kit toroids will offer a service to mount the K3 knobs to the FrontPanel PC board ASSEMBLY? ;-) Speaking of toroids, I assume the K3 modules will come with coils wound and soldered? I like soldering but I hate winding toroids... to put it mildly. 73 de Franki ON5ZO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 front panel assembly
I seem to remember Wayne or Eric saying they would be pre-aligned in a previous post. K3 and counting . On 5/9/07 16:29, Tom Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: ALL K3 modules will be FULLY ASSEMBLED, TESTED, and (I'm pretty certain) pre-aligned! -- When work is a pleasure, life is a joy! When work is a duty, life is slavery. -Maxim Gorky, author (1868-1936) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 front panel assembly
I've gotten used to the pretested pre-created PCB and samo samo set of K3 parts and components and PCB's and . in the K3 kit version. I learned long time ago there are no dumb questions, only poor souls who won't ask them. I was hoping the front panel, and control pcb and display board if there is one - are pre-made and like all the other K3 boards, tested and checked out to some Elecraft K3 standard. As much as we all like the smell of solder - seems to me, the majority of problems with the K2 has always been dumb or inept construction soldering and component mistakes. So if I have to pay bigger bucks for a better transceiver, and still not get 2m or 440 - I'd much rather get as much pre-tested stuff, as the Elecraft principles think we can handle. I want to end up with samo and samo - as the finishied K3 guys and gals. My dad, W2PZW from the spark 20's days, was color blind. He couldn't get an early days electronics job with the NBC radio companies of those days because of his visual problem. But I suspect he could have bought the K3 kit, and ended up with a fully functional transceiver. I'm not sure how dense the K3 is, it doesn't appear too daunting - but if Icom had decided to have hams build the IC-7000 from parts as a solder-kit, I can imagine the success and failure stories. ..chomping, chomping de, Fred N3CSY waters of the St. Lawrence 5 Sept Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
Much as I want to like the little company that could, Elecraft folks need to recognize that despite their existing rabidly pro customer base, they are now reaching another type of customer with the advanced K3. This new customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the QRP and toy rigs niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft. Me, I am a new type customer, not interested in QRP (I'm too old), back packing (same), and tiny rigs (same agn). I assemble to save money, not much for the fun. I like operating, not tinkering. I purchase based on outstanding specs, not other marketing ploys. Message then to Elecraft, provided free here altho a marketing consultant would cost plenty, is to wake up to their new added customer base and understand that forgiveness in timely notices of shipment advance manual availability clear specs on rig (that are stated in the same terms as good ole Sherwood and that do not have the or the mark) and clear info on the full range of products, such as the Heil K2 mic/headphones, can be expected to be met with only a polite patience that can be exhausted soon. It is a new and exciting ...and challenging day for Elecraft. They have entered the big leagues and clearly challenge ICOM and Yaesu (and ORION). Marketing info will need to measure up too. PS... keep my order for a K3 active, please. 73 Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 #6233 Aligned and finished but some questions...
K2 #6233 is now aligned and mostly completed. With the power knob fully clockwise, I am getting 15.5 to 16W on 80, 40, and 30 meters. However, as I go up in frequency, current drain increases and power out decreases. On 10M, power output is ~12.8W but it is drawing about 3A of current. I know lower power output is usually experienced on 10M but the high current bothers me a bit. Should I be concerned? Thanks -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K2 #6233 Aligned and finished but some questions...
Well, I think I answered my own question. I keep forgetting that the K2 is only rated to 10W output. On 10M with the control set for 10W out, I am showing 10W out with a current draw of 2.56A. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 front panel assembly
If there was a kit option to wind your own toroids I'd have gone for it! There isn't much skill involved in stuffing boards with parts and soldering them. Winding toroids is one area of kit building that demands a bit of craftsmanship. I really can't understand why people who like building so dislike that part of it. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/5/07, Franki ON5ZO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of toroids, I assume the K3 modules will come with coils wound and soldered? I like soldering but I hate winding toroids... to put it mildly. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 front panel assembly
Wayne opined: Front panel assembly is easy and well-documented. Show me show me! I only have a rubber mallot and an ice pick, sure hope that's all that's required. ;-) CC: Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add to Subject: Re: K3 front panel assembly Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:36:11 -0700 Front panel assembly is easy and well-documented. Wayne N6KR On Sep 5, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Don Rasmussen wrote: Tom, Do you know if the same guy that winds the kit toroids will offer a service to mount the K3 knobs to the FrontPanel PC board ASSEMBLY? ;-) --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 front panel assembly
In my case it's eyesight and colour blindness. Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there was a kit option to wind your own toroids I'd have gone for it! There isn't much skill involved in stuffing boards with parts and soldering them. Winding toroids is one area of kit building that demands a bit of craftsmanship. I really can't understand why people who like building so dislike that part of it. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
As soon as I realised the K3 was going to be available built, I foresaw that it would attract the kind of consumer whose attitude is I am a customer, I demand satisfaction. That's progress, I guess. The one bit of your message I couldn't make sense of is that you claim to be too old for QRP. As someone who wrote QRP: Less power, more fun (http://www.g4ilo.com/qrp.html) it might surprise you to know that I can understand why some people might not be interested in QRP, but being too old for it is a new one on me! -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/5/07, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much as I want to like the little company that could, Elecraft folks need to recognize that despite their existing rabidly pro customer base, they are now reaching another type of customer with the advanced K3. This new customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the QRP and toy rigs niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft. Me, I am a new type customer, not interested in QRP (I'm too old), back packing (same), and tiny rigs (same agn). I assemble to save money, not much for the fun. I like operating, not tinkering. I purchase based on outstanding specs, not other marketing ploys. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote: As soon as I realised the K3 was going to be available built, I foresaw that it would attract the kind of consumer whose attitude is I am a customer, I demand satisfaction. That's progress, I guess. Hm, guess the word progress has a different meaning on your side of the pond. Me, I am a new type customer, not interested in QRP (I'm too old), back packing (same), and tiny rigs (same agn). I assemble to save money, not much for the fun. I like operating, not tinkering. I purchase based on outstanding specs, not other marketing ploys. I thought statements like marketing ploys and blowing his own horn as a marketing consultant was much more telling than saying he was too old for QRP. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer and appliance operator www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 front panel assembly
Fred: At 10:40 09/05/2007, Fred (FL) wrote: I've gotten used to the pretested pre-created PCB and samo samo set of K3 parts and components and PCB's and . in the K3 kit version. I learned long time ago there are no dumb questions, only poor souls who won't ask them. I was hoping the front panel, and control pcb and display board if there is one - are pre-made and like all the other K3 boards, tested and checked out to some Elecraft K3 standard. And they ARE, Fred... Maybe I wasn't specific enough... ALL (emphasis added here) PC boards (including the Front Panel PC board) WILL be FULLY ASSEMBLED and TESTED and PRE-ALIGNED...!! Eric just wrote me with... The customer will have to do final alignment of the BPFs in TX (like the K2), and will have to run the other alignment routines like the VCO MD CAL *similar to CAL PLL in the K2) routine. We'll do quick alignment in order to test everything, but will not do a final, 'fine tuned' alignment. The customer will also build their APP power cable. (So they get to do -some- soldering!) - G You, as the assembler, if you buy the kit, WILL have to install the Front Panel PC board onto the metalwork named Front Panel Cover, but there is NO soldering required. As much as we all like the smell of solder - seems to me, the majority of problems with the K2 has always been dumb or inept construction soldering and component mistakes. So if I have to pay bigger bucks for a better transceiver, and still not get 2m or 440 - I'd much rather get as much pre-tested stuff, as the Elecraft principles think we can handle. I want to end up with samo and samo - as the finishied K3 guys and gals. And there's NO REASON you shouldn't do just that, with just a few hours of 'sweat equity' involved. My dad, W2PZW from the spark 20's days, was color blind. He couldn't get an early days electronics job with the NBC radio companies of those days because of his visual problem. But I suspect he could have bought the K3 kit, and ended up with a fully functional transceiver. I'm not sure how dense the K3 is, it doesn't appear too daunting - but if Icom had decided to have hams build the IC-7000 from parts as a solder-kit, I can imagine the success and failure stories. 73, Tom N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 front panel assembly
Fred: NEWS FLASH! Just got ANOTHER e-mail from Eric... The K3 BPFs WILL be FULLY ALIGNED AND TESTED before they are shipped. All other 'adjustments' will be performed under software control. 73, Tom At 10:40 09/05/2007, Fred (FL) wrote: I've gotten used to the pretested pre-created PCB and samo samo set of K3 parts and components and PCB's and . in the K3 kit version. I learned long time ago there are no dumb questions, only poor souls who won't ask them. I was hoping the front panel, and control pcb and display board if there is one - are pre-made and like all the other K3 boards, tested and checked out to some Elecraft K3 standard. And they ARE, Fred... Maybe I wasn't specific enough... ALL (emphasis added here) PC boards (including the Front Panel PC board) WILL be FULLY ASSEMBLED and TESTED and PRE-ALIGNED...!! Eric just wrote me with... The customer will have to do final alignment of the BPFs in TX (like the K2), and will have to run the other alignment routines like the VCO MD CAL *similar to CAL PLL in the K2) routine. We'll do quick alignment in order to test everything, but will not do a final, 'fine tuned' alignment. The customer will also build their APP power cable. (So they get to do -some- soldering!) - G You, as the assembler, if you buy the kit, WILL have to install the Front Panel PC board onto the metalwork named Front Panel Cover, but there is NO soldering required. As much as we all like the smell of solder - seems to me, the majority of problems with the K2 has always been dumb or inept construction soldering and component mistakes. So if I have to pay bigger bucks for a better transceiver, and still not get 2m or 440 - I'd much rather get as much pre-tested stuff, as the Elecraft principles think we can handle. I want to end up with samo and samo - as the finishied K3 guys and gals. And there's NO REASON you shouldn't do just that, with just a few hours of 'sweat equity' involved. My dad, W2PZW from the spark 20's days, was color blind. He couldn't get an early days electronics job with the NBC radio companies of those days because of his visual problem. But I suspect he could have bought the K3 kit, and ended up with a fully functional transceiver. I'm not sure how dense the K3 is, it doesn't appear too daunting - but if Icom had decided to have hams build the IC-7000 from parts as a solder-kit, I can imagine the success and failure stories. 73, Tom N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 front panel
[Elecraft] K3 front panel assembly Tom Hammond n0ss at embar Please tell him to STOP - I paid for a -KIT- darn it! ;-) -- Fred: NEWS FLASH! Just got ANOTHER e-mail from Eric... The K3 BPFs WILL be FULLY ALIGNED AND TESTED before they are shipped. All other 'adjustments' will be performed under software control. 73, Tom ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Microphones for K2/3
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:53:40 -0400, John Huggins wrote: What is it that makes any microphone optimized for any radio. Pin outs are obvious of course. Many years ago, an international standards organization issued a poorly thought out standard for 2-way radio communications that, if followed, resulted in the bandwidth of transmitted audio being rolled off by 3-6 dB at 3 kHz. Because the higher audio frequencies (1-4 kHz) contribute the most to intelligibility, this resulted in reduced talk power and muddy audio if a mic with good (flat) frequency response is used. To compensate for this lousy standard, mic companies began building mics with a strong peak in their response around 3 kHz. This response peak is clearly visible in the response of mics like the Shure 450 -- there's a 10 dB peak at 3 kHz! Plug this mic into a pro sound system and it will sound really nasty, but connected to you ham rig it sounds just about right. Some ham transceivers provide a switchable peak in the audio response so that a pro mic with flat response can be used. The K2 does not. Another element of good communications audio (that is, good talk power) is to limit the low frequency response so that transmitter power is not wasted on the bassy parts of speech. That's because these low frequencies contribute very little to intelligibility. A good communications circuit will roll off sharply on the low end somewhere between 250 and 400 Hz. It's easy to design this into ham gear, and it's also designed into a few mics. The EV 635A, for nearly 50 years a mainstay of broadcasting, rolls off at about 150 Hz. The K2 runs flat down to about 40 Hz, but can be modified to move the rolloff up to about 200 Hz by changing some capacitors and resistors. A mic also needs enough output voltage to drive the radio. This is not an issue with most ham rigs, but the K2 is a bit low on gain through the audio chain, so it takes a pretty hot mic to drive it well. Pro dynamic mics don't have enough output to drive it very well. Finally, the output impedance of the mic needs to be low enough that the input impedance of the radio doesn't load it down. Mics are not designed to be loaded (that is, terminated). They are designed to work into an impedance at least 5-10 times their own source impedance. The input impedance of the K2 is on the order of 600 ohms, which is on the low side for a pro mic (typically 150 ohms output impedance). This is easy to change with a few resistors. Summarizing -- for use with the K2, a mic needs relatively high output, should have an output impedance lower than about 100 ohms, should have a pronounced response peak around 3 kHz, and should be rolled off around 250-400 Hz on the low end. 73, Jim Brown K9YC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 front panel assembly
The K3 BPFs WILL be FULLY ALIGNED AND TESTED before they are shipped. Rats! I thought I could do some tinkering after all ... hi hi ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 C125 Manual page 69
On page 69 of the current manual it says c125 is a 22uF electrolytic, all i have left is a 2.2uF is this something for errata? Matt KD8DAO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Addendum to my earlier question
seems i accidently put the 22u into c106, will swapping this out affect anything major (ie will i have to redo any of the alignment that has been done thusfar) did having this cap here hurt anything? I'm trying to trace the schematic but cannot find this cap. Matt KD8DAO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Happy Family
When you go to a Chinese Restaurant and see Happy Family on the menu, this, unfortunately, is not what they are referring to: http://tinyurl.com/3yf5pt Note: I may be one of the few who appreciate the humor in this so don't mind me, I've been building mini-modules all day and may be in need of a break. I think the W1 is next on my list. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Microphones for K2/3
John and Charles: The Heil Prosets with the HC-4 or HC-5 elements don't have quite enough output to drive the K2 without either an external preamp or tweaking of the K2's internal circuitry. The version with the electret element seems to work better with the K2. I believe the Heil K2 Proset is essentially the version with the electret element, but I'm not 100% certain on that matter. All Prosets require an adapter to match your particular mic jack configuration, so that is not a factor. No idea about the K3. 73's, John AA0VE Charles Harpole wrote: I see that now Elecraft is offering sale of a Heil K2 Pro Set mic/headphone unit, saying it is optimized for K2. I assume that also means K3. Charles brings up a good point. What is it that makes any microphone optimized for any radio. Pin outs are obvious of course. - Impedance? - Bandwidth? - Signal Strength? John ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
In a message dated 9/5/07 11:51:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This new customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the QRP and toy rigs niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft. What are toy rigs? 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Microphones for K2/3
John and all, You are correct that 'Heil Proset' by itself does not adequately describe the microphone. As is the case with all Heil mics, one must also be specific about the mic element used. The K2 works best with an electret element because they have higher output levels. The K3 FAQ pages indicate that it has adequate mic gain to handle the lower output Heil HC4 and HC5 elements. The Heil Proset K2 can be used with either the K2 or the K3, and it comes with the Elecraft adapter. 73, Don W3FPR John R. Lonigro wrote: John and Charles: The Heil Prosets with the HC-4 or HC-5 elements don't have quite enough output to drive the K2 without either an external preamp or tweaking of the K2's internal circuitry. The version with the electret element seems to work better with the K2. I believe the Heil K2 Proset is essentially the version with the electret element, but I'm not 100% certain on that matter. All Prosets require an adapter to match your particular mic jack configuration, so that is not a factor. No idea about the K3. 73's, John AA0VE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Wahoo! took the K3 plunge! 1st week DEC delivery
The Icom sold! Time to give K2 a brother! Talked to the sales dept They are into the 1st week of December as of today. George NE2I ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Microphones for K2/3
Thanks for the information all. So... I guess hooking up a D104 straight to K2 is not going to work out so well. Yes I know this is like putting tail fins on a Ford Taurus, but the kids really dig talking into a mic like that during times we promote ham radio. The D104 with my old Kenwood TS-520 still receives great audio reports and I would like to continue that tradition in some way with new gear. Crazy? John Don Wilhelm wrote: John and all, You are correct that 'Heil Proset' by itself does not adequately describe the microphone. As is the case with all Heil mics, one must also be specific about the mic element used. The K2 works best with an electret element because they have higher output levels. The K3 FAQ pages indicate that it has adequate mic gain to handle the lower output Heil HC4 and HC5 elements. The Heil Proset K2 can be used with either the K2 or the K3, and it comes with the Elecraft adapter. 73, Don W3FPR John R. Lonigro wrote: John and Charles: The Heil Prosets with the HC-4 or HC-5 elements don't have quite enough output to drive the K2 without either an external preamp or tweaking of the K2's internal circuitry. The version with the electret element seems to work better with the K2. I believe the Heil K2 Proset is essentially the version with the electret element, but I'm not 100% certain on that matter. All Prosets require an adapter to match your particular mic jack configuration, so that is not a factor. No idea about the K3. 73's, John AA0VE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] too old
Well, to age in many folks comes with a loss of patience which comes from the knowledge that the end is much closer than the beginning. QRP requires patience and skill beyond what is fun for me. I think I can understand how it could be fun, but not for me. Lots of folks who write on the reflector seem sometimes to have forgotten that ham radio exists, on a personal level, for FUN. I guess some folks' fun looks like work to me. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OT predictions
Retired now means I have time to send messages like this but should I ? Predictions for future: 1. genetically modified animals will be sold as personal helpers. 2. the super powers will fight over resources in Africa for the next century. 3. some will realize that democracy does not fit into a society based on the tribalism of kinship-based governance and ease up trying to push Western democracy on others. 4. computers that u can easily talk to is the next big break thru in electronics. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT predictions
Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2007 22:15) Retired now means I have time to send messages like this but should I ? NO!!! John - W2AGN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Hey buddy, can you spare a 78L06? (New England/East Coast)
Anyone here in New England, or relatively close by USPS standards, have a spare 78L06 they could throw in the mail to me please? I'll gladly stick a few green backs in the mail for postage and the part. I just pulled a bonehead move while putting together my Elecraft K2 noise blanker and need a replacement. The last time I ordered a spare part from Elecraft, it took 8 days to get here by snail mail. Mouser only wants .28 cents for the part but wants to charge me $6.95 for shipping. I don't really need anything else from them at the moment to justify the cost. Elecraft usually sticks parts like 78L06's on the anti-static pad with microprocessors. However, this time they tricked me and threw it in with all the 2N3906's and put a 2N7000 on the anti-static pad instead. During my hasty inventory process, I must have missed it and installed the 78L06 where the 7000 should have gone. So when it came time to install the 78L06 and all I could find was the 2N7000, I said damn!. I was almost able to salvage the part but a leg broke on me. I can blame Elecraft all I want but it's my fault 100% for not paying attention and assuming. Many thanks. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] too old
Charles Harpole wrote: I guess some folks' fun looks like work to me. Yep. :-) And that's what makes life so interesting. If it weren't for this kind of diversity, what a very boring thing life would be! Personally, I really understand Charles' point of view, and I think he makes a good point -- which I'm certain Eric and Wayne thought long and hard about, as the K3 design model began to evolve toward a top-of-the-market, competition-grade, non-kit transceiver. For some, this might translate into a greater level of impatience than for others. (Not for me.) No big deal either way; it'll be out when it's out. At the end of the day, it's the performance on the air that will tell the tale. :-) Bill / W5WVO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] the 706 of 2000+
Again I say, the K3 will be the IC 706 of the new century. After the followers see what the opinion leaders have in the K3, virtually every active ham will have a K3, or be salavating for one. I have purchased (and sold some) seven IC-706 and see the rig as a phenomena. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/5/07 11:51:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This new customer will be much less forgiving than the folks of the QRP and toy rigs niche who are clearly predisposed to love anything Elecraft. What are toy rigs? Probably the ones that are in teeny cases, that someone put together and less than 100 watts. Oh...and they might also be the ones that are really good cw rigs...since that's an obsolete mode, it's like shoes with button hooks. Which reminds me...are the K3 button hooks convex or concave? 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Microphones for K2/3
Never had a problem John getting full rated PEP output from K2/100 #3255 using the HC-4 and HC-5 elements in the Heil ProSet Plus headset without an external preamp, but I don't use the K2/100's VOX. If I used VOX a little more audio gain would be required in the VOX circuit, but additional audio gain between the mic elements and modulator would result in overdrive. Perhaps my K2/100 is a positive tolerance version. 73, Geoff GM4ESD John R. Lonigro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John and Charles: The Heil Prosets with the HC-4 or HC-5 elements don't have quite enough output to drive the K2 without either an external preamp or tweaking of the K2's internal circuitry. The version with the electret element seems to work better with the K2. I believe the Heil K2 Proset is essentially the version with the electret element, but I'm not 100% certain on that matter. All Prosets require an adapter to match your particular mic jack configuration, so that is not a factor. No idea about the K3. 73's, John AA0VE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Optimized mic ?
- Original Message - From: Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one bit of your message I couldn't make sense of is that you claim to be too old for QRP. As someone who wrote QRP: Less power, more fun (http://www.g4ilo.com/qrp.html) it might surprise you to know that I can understand why some people might not be interested in QRP, but being too old for it is a new one on me! With age comes wisdom, with wisdom the skill to use QRP. Just wait until you see the Elecraft 1500w power amp - I bet you'll have your order sent off within 48 hours. Simon HB9DRV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Happy Family
JT Croteau wrote: When you go to a Chinese Restaurant and see Happy Family on the menu, this, unfortunately, is not what they are referring to: http://tinyurl.com/3yf5pt Hey, BNC is a family! 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2007 CQP Oct 6-7 - www.cqp.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT predictions
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 01:15:01 +, Charles Harpole wrote: Predictions for future: 4. computers that u can easily talk to is the next big break thru in electronics. I talk to my computer all the time. Sometimes I scream in foreign languages. It never answers back, and my wife thinks that I am weird Now when it comes to the K2. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] obselete?
someone said: good cw rigs... since that's an obsolete mode, it's like shoes with button hooks. Of course, he doesn't mean it and here is the story: There is no obsolete in ham radio, just as there is no obsolete in collecting and driving Model T cars, or using a wind-up clock, or the like. Ham radio must come to terms with the fact that it is a hobby, no longer cutting edge technology (for the vast most part) which few of us could afford anyway if we could obtain it. The FUN of ham radio is making things work... CW or tube radios, or whatever and thus obsolete is out of the picture. I owns classic Collins because I love to look at it. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
