[Elecraft] K2 TX Excessive Low Frequency Audio Response

2007-12-22 Thread Stewart Baker
Hi,
There seems to be some confusion about ways to improve the K2
transmit audio. To get the best results it is necessary to make
sure that all parts of the transmit chain are optomised.

1) Use a good microphone (not necessarily the most expensive),
that has a well defined frequency response, and suits your voice.
You can verify this off-air by using a tape recorder or Windows
audio recorder.

2) Accurately align the KSB2 filters. This procedure has been
described many times on this forum, and in the Builders help
pages. Use Spectrogram or WaveSpectra programs (both free) and
spend some time getting the received frequency response correct.
The 300Hz point on both USB and LSB should be -3dB down.
Make sure that you are happy with the result, and that your
friends do not sound like Martians !

3) Listen to your SSB on another receiver with the K2 on dummy
load, and the transmit power turned right back. The problem with
this method is that if you use headphones they will have their own
frequency response that will colour your impression of the
transmitted signal. Better still get someone on-air who knows your
voice, and can give you accurate feedback to listen .

4) It is possible that the transmission may sound boxy and
rather lacking in highs. If your K2 sounds perfect on receive then
LEAVE THE FILTER SETTINGS ALONE. The problem is an TX audio
one not an RF one. ALL elements in the transmit chain contribute
to the quality of the audio, not just the filters settings.

Have a look at this page on my web site.
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~baker/K2_SSB_Mods_Overview.html

If you really want to be adventurous you can download (free) from
http://audio.rightmark.org/index_new.shtml and plot the actual
audio response of your KSB2.

So in summary, to get the frequency response right:-
a) Your voice (can't do much about that !)
b) Mic with tailored frequency response.
c) Accurately align the KSB2 filters on receive USB  LSB
d) Listen to the result, and get reports
e) If lacking in top or too muffled, change coupling capacitors.

Hope that helps..
Very Merry Christmas to all.

73
Stewart G3RXQ



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[Elecraft] K3 - A thought on firmware requests

2007-12-22 Thread Ian J Maude

Hi all,
Just a thought for you Wayne.  Would it be possible to have a page (yes, 
i know, another page!) Where the features to be added are listed?  Sort 
of like Bugzilla?  That might cut down the double requests etc that we 
see for some things.  It might also provide a focus on some requests 
that could be combined or maybe something requested could be done 
another way to merge requests?

I know you will have your own list but it could prove useful.

73 Ian

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[Elecraft] UK addresses blocked ?

2007-12-22 Thread jacrux
Thats news to me.  I get TWO copies of the Elecraft Digest and ONE copy of the 
Elecraft_K3 Digest. 

Not sure how I get two copies of the regular Digest, but at a guess I'm on the 
mailing list twice.  I keep one copy of each Digest, now totalling 61mB. So 
blocked I certainly am not !!!

Happy Christmas to one and all - my main present (from me to me) is K3/100  
#107 which has already been opened, assembled and is in the shack to be 
played with -- whenever I can sneak a few minutes away from other more 
seasonal chores. 

John G3JAG
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[Elecraft] Xmas

2007-12-22 Thread f5ul
Hello All,

A Merry Xmas and also  an Happy New Year 2008 for all the team in Aptos, with 
many many thanks for the super work done along 2007, specialy your 
accessibility for help  other topics than the K3 distribution. Just go along in 
2008 and further!

F5UL, Robert Drogoul
K2 #4498 - KPA100/KAT100
ARRL - Ref-Union
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/100 #137 has arrived in Toronto Canada

2007-12-22 Thread Gary Bartlett VE1RGB

Hi, Tony:

   Congrats on your new rig!  You will be very pleased, I am sure.

   For the record, I think the marking of Elecraft boxes for shipment to 
Canada has been sorted out.  The same thing happened to me and I followed up 
with Lisa after I got mine out of Canada Customs.  The most recent package I 
got from Aptos did have the requisite Amateur Radio text on there, and no 
problem this time.  Elecraft is aware of the problem and has fixed it, best 
I can tell.


   73,
   Gary, VE1RGB


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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:33 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 #137 has arrived in Toronto Canada



Factory assembled K3/100 was ordered 1 May 2007.
Received 21 Dec in Toronto Canada.

   It was shipped 19 Dec by UPS Worldwide Express and was held up in 
customs for a few hours and thus missed its scheduled delivery (20 Dec). 
It seems that this customs officer had assumed that  VE3QF was a 
business and that there should be some duty charged.
I explained to UPS (the broker) that it was a shipment to a private 
person and the contents consisted of Amateur radio equipment. I also 
quoted a customs tariff number (8527.39.10.00). That may be an old number 
but in the end the K3 was cleared. I did not see any reference to Amateur 
radio equipment or any customs declaration form on the box. This could 
have been removed by customs but usually a copy is kept with the shipment. 
I unfortunately don't have much experience with customs clearance.


   I would suggest that the call-sign be put after the name and not on a 
separate line. For Canada the key words are Amateur radio equipment. 
This means duty free.


   The radio was double boxed and arrived in perfect condition. First 
impression is very positive and definitely worth the wait. I had good 
reports on our 10M net.


   My thanks to the Elecraft team. Merry Christmas and a successful New 
Year.


73
   Tony Fegan VE3QF

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: External automatic antenna tuner (and TUNE power setting)

2007-12-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Would that be the Clone Kit version sir , or the ready made version?

On 22/12/07 01:43, wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
 I'm trying really hard to do everything at once; someone recommended
 cloning. Anyone having expertise in this area should contact me
 directly. Do I get a per-unit discount if you can clone me twice? (Oh,
 also Eric and Lyle  :)

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[Elecraft] Noise Reduction parameters

2007-12-22 Thread GW0ETF

Can someone enlighten me about setting up the NR parametershope I can
explain myself ok!

Holding ADJ brings up (at vfo B position) - NR F#-* where * is from 1 to 4
for each value of # and is adjusted with vfo B knob and clearly increase the
degree of noise reduction.

As you continue to rotate vfo B knob, # cycles from 1 to 4 but there doesn't
appear any discernible difference for each value of #. Can't find any
reference in the manual so curiosity has driven me here.; did wonder at
first if NR settings were per filter but there are 5 filter positions and in
K3 0145 just 3 filters so that theory is out the window.

Having said all that the noise reduction works a real treat.

73,

Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF
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[Elecraft] K3 Noise Reduction parameters

2007-12-22 Thread Dave G4AON

Stewart

You need to wait a couple of seconds for the change to be implemented. I 
am using F2-3 on CW and find it quite good to reduce some of the band noise.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
=

Can someone enlighten me about setting up the NR parametershope I can
explain myself ok!

Holding ADJ brings up (at vfo B position) - NR F#-* where * is from 1 to 4
for each value of # and is adjusted with vfo B knob and clearly increase the
degree of noise reduction.

As you continue to rotate vfo B knob, # cycles from 1 to 4 but there doesn't
appear any discernible difference for each value of #. Can't find any
reference in the manual so curiosity has driven me here.; did wonder at
first if NR settings were per filter but there are 5 filter positions and in
K3 0145 just 3 filters so that theory is out the window.

Having said all that the noise reduction works a real treat.

73,

Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF
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RE: [Elecraft] last ditch effort

2007-12-22 Thread Darwin, Keith
Hey Leo, you're perfect Q5 into VT this morning (ah, the magic of e-mail).
 
Glad you didn't give up too soon.  This list is a great group of folks!
 
Merry Christmas to you as well!
 
- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -



I'm a K3 wannabe who's tried for some time to post and never can get
through. Before throwing in the towel I thought I'd try one more time
with my latest setting changes in my email program.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction parameters

2007-12-22 Thread Lyle Johnson

Can someone enlighten me about setting up the NR parametershope I can
explain myself ok!


The NR has changed with time and may continue to do so.  As a result, 
the manual is general in its treatment.  The overall rule is more is more.


NR is more properly Signal Enhancement rather than Noise Reduction.  The 
distinction is subtle but important if you wish to understand how it 
works and how to best apply it.  If ti were noise reduction, the 
implication is that it passes everything until it figures out what is 
more likely to be noise, which it then attempts to suppress.  Since it 
is signal enhancement, it tends to pass nothing until it figures out 
that which is more likely signal, which it then attempts to pass.


With this understanding there is one more concept I must explain: 
correlation.  This is the degree to which a signal is similar to itself; 
conversely, it can be used to figure out how noise is dis-similar to 
itself (more random).  This is the basis on which NR works.


In the current implementation of the K3, we have four (4) basic NR 
filters.  These are displayed as F1..F4.  F1 is the gentlest, F4 the 
most aggressive.  Recalling that the filters tend to suppress everything 
until they can sort out what is probably a signal, there is some time 
delay involved in their application.  Further, especially with voice 
signals, some components of the signal may not be recognized as well as 
others.  THis gives rise to distortion.


So, we added a second field to the NR.  This is the -1..-4 which 
specifies a certain amount of bleed through of the original signal. 
This reduces the apparent distortion and delay, but limits the ultimate 
S/N improvement.  -1 provides the least distortion but limits the S/N 
improvement on weak to moderate signals to about 6 dB.  -4 provides no 
mixing whatsoever and can result in dramatic S/N improvements, but at 
a cost of slight time delays and increased distortion.


NR is not appropriate for very weak signals, so a -1 or -2 is best if 
you wish to hear them.


Having saids al this, the correct way to use the NR is to listen and 
adjust it for the best compromise between noise reduction and 
distortion.  Everyone is different in this regard.  Some tolerate noise 
better than others, while some don't tolerate distortion very well at all.


I live in a quiet location, and use NR1-2 as my most common setting. 
This is low in distortion, allows me to hear weak signals, and shows no 
apparent delay as I tune through the bands.  On the rare occasions when 
things get noisy here, I crank it to higher values.


Probably a much longer answer than you wished.

Merry Christmas,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction parameters

2007-12-22 Thread AE4CW


Lyle Johnson-6 wrote:
 
 Can someone enlighten me about setting up the NR parametershope I can
 explain myself ok!
 
 
 Probably a much longer answer than you wished.
 
 Lyle KK7P
 
 Lyle, I for one, very much appreciate the detailed response and
 description on how NR works.  Thanks for the *excellent* work and don't
 hesitate to give us the *full description*!
 
 Chuck, AE4CW
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[Elecraft] K3 data mode operation?

2007-12-22 Thread Dave G4AON
I've been trying data with my K3 and find the Data A mode works OK for 
RTTY (unfortunately with only basic passband filtering from the K3). I 
was using audio from a sound card fed via the line in socket. When the 
K3 is set for data mode AFSK A which implies RTTY mode with AFSK (and 
gives improved dual passband filtering as shown by the filter display), 
there is no transmit output for audio into the line socket - which 
worked perfectly when set to Data A. Under advanced operating features 
(page 31 of the current manual) there is no mention of data 
transmission, only reception


There seems little interest in data via the RS232 lead, currently it 
doesn't work properly on receive because of mixing frequency and other 
housekeeping information with the received text.


I've not yet tried direct keying on mode FSK D, this might work...

Any thoughts on data modes with the K3 in general, or have I just hit 
features that are still to be implemented with data via RS232 and the 
AFSK A mode?


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80



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Re: [Elecraft] Noise Reduction parameters

2007-12-22 Thread Bill W5WVO

Lyle Johnson wrote:


Probably a much longer answer than you wished.


NO!! This is exactly the kind of thing I (for one) want to hear and 
understand. Would like much more of this kind of technical presentation on the 
K3's design and operation. Those who don't want this kind of in-depth response 
can simply delete.


Bill W5WVO
K3 in February '08



Merry Christmas,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?

2007-12-22 Thread Ross Stenberg
I realize that this is like asking a pack of dogs if they like bacon, but
what do you think other than the obvious differences (knobs, bandscope,
computer, $$, etc.) K3 or SDR-5000?

73 and Merry Christmas

Ross Stenberg
K9COX

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?

2007-12-22 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Ross Stenberg wrote:


I realize that this is like asking a pack of dogs if they like bacon, but
what do you think other than the obvious differences (knobs, bandscope,
computer, $$, etc.) K3 or SDR-5000?


I have not seen (m)any references to SDR-5000 mojo.

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[Elecraft] K3 Calibration Problem

2007-12-22 Thread Steve Zumbrun
Hey, Joe.  I've just finished #176 and I'm stuck like you were with the ERR 
TXG while trying to calibrate the transmitter in low power.  What did you do 
to solve the Problem?  Many thanks, Steve W0SZ 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?

2007-12-22 Thread John [K7SVV]

Ross,
   Did you ask the same question on the Flex forum?

John[K7SVV]

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I realize that this is like asking a pack of dogs if they like bacon, but
what do you think other than the obvious differences (knobs, bandscope,
computer, $$, etc.) K3 or SDR-5000?

73 and Merry Christmas

Ross Stenberg
K9COX

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?

2007-12-22 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 what do you think other than the obvious differences (knobs, 
 bandscope, computer, $$, etc.) K3 or SDR-5000?

The design philosophy of the two radios is completely different.
 
The Flex-5000 front end is broad as a barn door - it applies all 
the energy in an entire amateur band and adjacent frequencies 
directly to the DSP analog to digital converter.  This does two 
things.  First the ADC is required to have a much greater dynamic 
range in order to deal with a 10 to 20 dB larger but very low 
probability instantaneous peak voltage (very high peak to average 
ratio).  Second it requires the DSP software to sort out all the 
signals in roughly a 200 kHz window.  This results in increased 
processing time and more delay.

The front end of the K3 has a narrow roofing filter very close 
to the first mixer which limits the bandwidth applied to the DSP 
ADC.  This provides two advantages.  The peak to average ratio 
of the signal applied to the ADC is not a high so the dynamic 
range of the ADC can be better used (better optimized to conditions) 
which theoretically provides better dynamic range (either better 
sensitivity or more resistance to IMD).  Secondly, by dealing with 
a more narrow spectrum, the DSP can be made faster for equivalent 
resolution (selectivity) or the available processing power/time 
can be used for improved performance like, noise reduction/signal 
correlation, context and focus filtering, spatial processing, etc. 

The Flex philosophy has an advantage in that it can implement 
in-band dual receive with a single set of receiver hardware.  Its 
DSP can demodulate any signal within the 196 KHz window and 
provide one signal on each audio channel. With a multi-channel 
audio card or multiple audio cads and enough computing power, 
the Flex can be extended to n-channel receive without additional 
hardware.  The K3 design is limited to a single signal per DSP 
channel.  

Both design philosophies have their place.  The K3 is like a high 
performance sports car - it does one thing and does it better than 
any other product.  The Flex-5000 is like a fully loaded luxury 
SUV - it has every option imaginable but it lacks precision, 
handling and speed. 

Your choice depends on whether you want frills or performance. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Stenberg
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 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?
 
 
 I realize that this is like asking a pack of dogs if they 
 like bacon, but
 what do you think other than the obvious differences (knobs, 
 bandscope,
 computer, $$, etc.) K3 or SDR-5000?
 
 73 and Merry Christmas
 
 Ross Stenberg
 K9COX
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?

2007-12-22 Thread Dave Larson

Hi Ross,

I own a SDR-1000 for just over a year now.  Last May I sold my K2 and 
ordered a yet to be delivered K3.  Until the various tests have been 
published by the ARRL and Mr. Sherwood, I would say the K3 vs. SDR-5000 are 
a close match. The K3 will cost less than the SDR-5000 when you add the cost 
of the required high powered computer to the cost of the SDR-5000. The K3 
needs no computer to operate. The SDR-1000/5000 have a panadapter display 
with the ability to tune in any signal with just a click of a mouse.  No big 
deal unless you become used to it as I have.  When software becomes 
available to mouse click tune the K3 with some sort of panadapter display, 
My SDR-1000 will be up for sale and a second K3 will be ordered.  Until 
then, I will keep it along with my yet to be delivered K3 and will use which 
ever rig is the right one for a given situation.


Dave, K8AA


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I realize that this is like asking a pack of dogs if they like bacon, but
what do you think other than the obvious differences (knobs, bandscope,
computer, $$, etc.) K3 or SDR-5000?

73 and Merry Christmas

Ross Stenberg
K9COX

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?

2007-12-22 Thread W4sc
It is here now I believe, in the latest version of SpectraVue s/w 
supporting the SDR-14 or SDR-IQ and a K3.


http://www.rfspace.com/Home.html

Ben W4SC

- Original Message - 
From: Dave Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Ross Stenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?



Hi Ross,

I own a SDR-1000 for just over a year now.  Last May I sold my K2 and 
ordered a yet to be delivered K3.  Until the various tests have been 
published by the ARRL and Mr. Sherwood, I would say the K3 vs. SDR-5000 
are a close match. The K3 will cost less than the SDR-5000 when you add 
the cost of the required high powered computer to the cost of the 
SDR-5000. The K3 needs no computer to operate. The SDR-1000/5000 have a 
panadapter display with the ability to tune in any signal with just a 
click of a mouse.  No big deal unless you become used to it as I have. 
When software becomes available to mouse click tune the K3 with some sort 
of panadapter display, My SDR-1000 will be up for sale and a second K3 
will be ordered.  Until then, I will keep it along with my yet to be 
delivered K3 and will use which ever rig is the right one for a given 
situation.


Dave, K8AA


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To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?



I realize that this is like asking a pack of dogs if they like bacon, but
what do you think other than the obvious differences (knobs, bandscope,
computer, $$, etc.) K3 or SDR-5000?

73 and Merry Christmas

Ross Stenberg
K9COX

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 data mode operation?

2007-12-22 Thread AB7R
Dave,

For now, when using AFSK mode only use the 915 pitch setting.  If you do
that it will work fine.

Sorting the text from the serial port is on the list.

73
Greg
AB7R


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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 data mode operation?


I've been trying data with my K3 and find the Data A mode works OK for
RTTY (unfortunately with only basic passband filtering from the K3). I
was using audio from a sound card fed via the line in socket. When the
K3 is set for data mode AFSK A which implies RTTY mode with AFSK (and
gives improved dual passband filtering as shown by the filter display),
there is no transmit output for audio into the line socket - which
worked perfectly when set to Data A. Under advanced operating features
(page 31 of the current manual) there is no mention of data
transmission, only reception

There seems little interest in data via the RS232 lead, currently it
doesn't work properly on receive because of mixing frequency and other
housekeeping information with the received text.

I've not yet tried direct keying on mode FSK D, this might work...

Any thoughts on data modes with the K3 in general, or have I just hit
features that are still to be implemented with data via RS232 and the
AFSK A mode?

73 Dave, G4AON
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[Elecraft] Fw: Sudden erratic power/high current problems with K2

2007-12-22 Thread Bill Carpenter
After some investigation I found that the braid of the coax for the Aux RF 
had frayed at the KPA100 board to just a couple of strands.  Hoping this was 
the problem I repaired it but no change.  This all seems to be caused by the 
K2 power control being all or none with no intermediate settings.  In low 
power as I turn the knob clockwise it goes from minimal power to full QRP of 
about 12 watts suddenly and when the high power comes on it jumps to full 
output.  How do I approach this problem?  Is it ALC related?
- Original Message - 
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To: elecraft list elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: Sudden erratic power/high current problems with K2


I'll try to keep this short.  I was operating with my K2/100 with KAT100 
today and everything was fine.  I changed bands and initiated tune on the 
KAT100 and it did not operate properly.  The SWR leds went a little 
bonkers and it did not want to settle on a low SWR.  I disabled it by 
going to CAL and then I noticed that even though the K2 power meter was 
showing about 2/3 scale I was getting full output on my outboard SWR 
meter.  I then took the KAT100 out of the loop by disconnecting it fully 
from the K2.  Now I am seeing very high power output of around 140 - 150 
watts on the lower bands such as 160, 80, 60, 30, 40 and 20 with more 
normal power output on the upper bands but I'm still seeing high current 
indication on all bands.  In addition the power control on the K2 is not 
working in a linear fashion. As I increase it from the lowest setting it 
is OK until the KPA100 kicks in when it suddenly goes to full output.  I 
have not ever seen this happen in the 15 months since I built the rig or 
in the 2 weeks since I built the KAT100 - everything has been fine.  Now 
all of a sudden I have all this erratic behavior.  As I said I added the 
KAT100 2 weeks ago but there have been no problems at all until now.


Any and all help/suggestions are very welcome!!

73,
Bill NZ0T 



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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Sudden erratic power/high current problems with K2

2007-12-22 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill,

That is classic behavior when the KPA100 wattmeter diodes are zapped.  
Since the most common failure cause is a static (lightning) surge from 
the antenna, you may want to consider replacing the ones in the KAT100 
at the same time.  The diodes are 1N5711s and in the KPA100 are D16 and 
D17 (near the SO239 jack), and the diodes in the KAT100 are D1 and D2.


As explanation for the behavior, the K2 power control loop senses power 
at the output with the wattmeters - if there is zero power out reported, 
the controls drive harder - so you have a base K2 trying to drive as 
hard as possible and the resulting output power is the maximum that can 
be produced on any given band.  In other words, the wattmeter must be 
working for the K2 to control the output power - that is the sensing 
element.


73,
Don W3FPR


Bill Carpenter wrote:
After some investigation I found that the braid of the coax for the 
Aux RF had frayed at the KPA100 board to just a couple of strands.  
Hoping this was the problem I repaired it but no change.  This all 
seems to be caused by the K2 power control being all or none with no 
intermediate settings.  In low power as I turn the knob clockwise it 
goes from minimal power to full QRP of about 12 watts suddenly and 
when the high power comes on it jumps to full output.  How do I 
approach this problem?  Is it ALC related?



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?

2007-12-22 Thread Lee (WW2DX)
If you are looking for a cheaper solution ($12 softrock) K3 IF and  
Scott's (WU2X) Modified PowerSDR software you have a 160-6m fully  
functional panadapter that tracks the rigs VFO :)


Http://www.wu2x.com/sdr.html

Youtube movie demo in the works.

73

Lee WW2DX

On Dec 22, 2007, at 3:13 PM, W4sc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It is here now I believe, in the latest version of SpectraVue s/w  
supporting the SDR-14 or SDR-IQ and a K3.


http://www.rfspace.com/Home.html

Ben W4SC

- Original Message - From: Dave Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ross Stenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?



Hi Ross,

I own a SDR-1000 for just over a year now.  Last May I sold my K2  
and ordered a yet to be delivered K3.  Until the various tests have  
been published by the ARRL and Mr. Sherwood, I would say the K3 vs.  
SDR-5000 are a close match. The K3 will cost less than the SDR-5000  
when you add the cost of the required high powered computer to the  
cost of the SDR-5000. The K3 needs no computer to operate. The SDR-1000/5000 
 have a panadapter display with the ability to tune in any signal  
with just a click of a mouse.  No big deal unless you become used  
to it as I have. When software becomes available to mouse click  
tune the K3 with some sort of panadapter display, My SDR-1000 will  
be up for sale and a second K3 will be ordered.  Until then, I will  
keep it along with my yet to be delivered K3 and will use which  
ever rig is the right one for a given situation.


Dave, K8AA


- Original Message - From: Ross Stenberg  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?


I realize that this is like asking a pack of dogs if they like  
bacon, but
what do you think other than the obvious differences (knobs,  
bandscope,

computer, $$, etc.) K3 or SDR-5000?

73 and Merry Christmas

Ross Stenberg
K9COX

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Sudden erratic power/high current problems with K2

2007-12-22 Thread Bill Carpenter
I had some 1N4148 diodes in my junkbox so I installed them and all is good 
again.  The diodes in the KAT100 are fine so I'll order a few 1N5711s and 
replace the 1N4148s when they come in.


Thanks again!
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To: Bill Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft list elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Sudden erratic power/high current problems with 
K2




Bill,

That is classic behavior when the KPA100 wattmeter diodes are zapped. 
Since the most common failure cause is a static (lightning) surge from the 
antenna, you may want to consider replacing the ones in the KAT100 at the 
same time.  The diodes are 1N5711s and in the KPA100 are D16 and D17 (near 
the SO239 jack), and the diodes in the KAT100 are D1 and D2.


As explanation for the behavior, the K2 power control loop senses power at 
the output with the wattmeters - if there is zero power out reported, the 
controls drive harder - so you have a base K2 trying to drive as hard as 
possible and the resulting output power is the maximum that can be 
produced on any given band.  In other words, the wattmeter must be working 
for the K2 to control the output power - that is the sensing element.


73,
Don W3FPR


Bill Carpenter wrote:
After some investigation I found that the braid of the coax for the Aux 
RF had frayed at the KPA100 board to just a couple of strands.  Hoping 
this was the problem I repaired it but no change.  This all seems to be 
caused by the K2 power control being all or none with no intermediate 
settings.  In low power as I turn the knob clockwise it goes from minimal 
power to full QRP of about 12 watts suddenly and when the high power 
comes on it jumps to full output.  How do I approach this problem?  Is it 
ALC related?







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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Sudden erratic power/high current problems with K2

2007-12-22 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill,

All will be well as long as you give some liberty to the requested vs. 
actual power output while you have the 1N4148 diodes in there - the 
1N5711s are pretty flat with respect to voltage vs. frequency.


Glad to hear you now have a handle on things again.

73,
Don W3FPR

Bill Carpenter wrote:
I had some 1N4148 diodes in my junkbox so I installed them and all is 
good again.  The diodes in the KAT100 are fine so I'll order a few 
1N5711s and replace the 1N4148s when they come in.


Thanks again!
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To: Bill Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft list elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Sudden erratic power/high current problems 
with K2




Bill,

That is classic behavior when the KPA100 wattmeter diodes are zapped. 
Since the most common failure cause is a static (lightning) surge 
from the antenna, you may want to consider replacing the ones in the 
KAT100 at the same time.  The diodes are 1N5711s and in the KPA100 
are D16 and D17 (near the SO239 jack), and the diodes in the KAT100 
are D1 and D2.


As explanation for the behavior, the K2 power control loop senses 
power at the output with the wattmeters - if there is zero power out 
reported, the controls drive harder - so you have a base K2 trying to 
drive as hard as possible and the resulting output power is the 
maximum that can be produced on any given band.  In other words, the 
wattmeter must be working for the K2 to control the output power - 
that is the sensing element.


73,
Don W3FPR


Bill Carpenter wrote:
After some investigation I found that the braid of the coax for the 
Aux RF had frayed at the KPA100 board to just a couple of strands.  
Hoping this was the problem I repaired it but no change.  This all 
seems to be caused by the K2 power control being all or none with no 
intermediate settings.  In low power as I turn the knob clockwise it 
goes from minimal power to full QRP of about 12 watts suddenly and 
when the high power comes on it jumps to full output.  How do I 
approach this problem?  Is it ALC related?







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Re: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?

2007-12-22 Thread David Wilburn
Anyone have pictures of a panadapter / softrock setup with a K3?
-  

David Wilburn
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K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 16:51 -0500, Lee (WW2DX) wrote:
 If you are looking for a cheaper solution ($12 softrock) K3 IF and  
 Scott's (WU2X) Modified PowerSDR software you have a 160-6m fully  
 functional panadapter that tracks the rigs VFO :)
 
 Http://www.wu2x.com/sdr.html
 
 Youtube movie demo in the works.
 
 73
 
 Lee WW2DX
 
 On Dec 22, 2007, at 3:13 PM, W4sc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  It is here now I believe, in the latest version of SpectraVue s/w  
  supporting the SDR-14 or SDR-IQ and a K3.
 
  http://www.rfspace.com/Home.html
 
  Ben W4SC
 
  - Original Message - From: Dave Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Ross Stenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?
 
 
  Hi Ross,
 
  I own a SDR-1000 for just over a year now.  Last May I sold my K2  
  and ordered a yet to be delivered K3.  Until the various tests have  
  been published by the ARRL and Mr. Sherwood, I would say the K3 vs.  
  SDR-5000 are a close match. The K3 will cost less than the SDR-5000  
  when you add the cost of the required high powered computer to the  
  cost of the SDR-5000. The K3 needs no computer to operate. The 
  SDR-1000/5000 
   have a panadapter display with the ability to tune in any signal  
  with just a click of a mouse.  No big deal unless you become used  
  to it as I have. When software becomes available to mouse click  
  tune the K3 with some sort of panadapter display, My SDR-1000 will  
  be up for sale and a second K3 will be ordered.  Until then, I will  
  keep it along with my yet to be delivered K3 and will use which  
  ever rig is the right one for a given situation.
 
  Dave, K8AA
 
 
  - Original Message - From: Ross Stenberg  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:11 PM
  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 or SDR-5000?
 
 
  I realize that this is like asking a pack of dogs if they like  
  bacon, but
  what do you think other than the obvious differences (knobs,  
  bandscope,
  computer, $$, etc.) K3 or SDR-5000?
 
  73 and Merry Christmas
 
  Ross Stenberg
  K9COX
 
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 KBPF3 Benefits without SubReceiver?

2007-12-22 Thread Ed Muns
 I am thinking about what future options to order for my K3.  
 I do not plan to get the KRX3 Subreceiver.  So, what benefit 
 would it be to get the KBPF3 General Coverage RX Filter 
 Module?  Since this mounts on the RF board over the ham band 
 bandpass filters, will this impact the performance while in 
 the ham bands?


A KBPF3 can be mounted on either or both the main receiver and KRX3.  It
functions the same in each receiver and adds the band pass filters to cover
the frequencies outside the Ham bands.  The benefit is allowing reception
outside the Ham bands.  There is no performance impact in the Ham bands with
the KBPF3 installed.  It is out of the circuit and not used inside the Ham
bands.

73,
Ed - W0YK

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KBPF3 Benefits without SubReceiver?

2007-12-22 Thread Lyle Johnson
... what benefit would it be to get 
the KBPF3 General Coverage RX Filter Module?  ...  will this impact the

performance while in the ham bands?


The KBPF3 is switched into the signal path instead of the ham-band 
bandpass filters when you tune the K3 outside the ham bands.  When you 
are tuned inside the ham bands, it is bypassed and the standard ham-band 
filters are used.


There is no practical degradation of ham-band performance, and greatly 
enhanced reception when outside the ham bands.


I use mine regularly!

Merry Christmas,

Lyle kK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KBPF3 Benefits without SubReceiver?

2007-12-22 Thread k4tmc

Kyle, et al,

Thanks for the quick responses.  OK, it looks like the KBPF3 turns the 
K3 into a general coverage receiver without having to order the 
SubReceiver option.  That sounds like a reasonable option to have to 
allow listening to the CB/FRS bands :-)


My concern about the mounting location is the affect of the KBPF3 
circuit board with similar tuned circuits in such close proximity to 
the ham band tuned circuits.  The affect may be subtle and only 
detectable in unusually strong signal situations.  I just do not want 
to add something that could slightly reduce the K3's performance in the 
ham bands.  Instead, I can buy a good used separate 0.5 - 30 MHz 
receiver for SWBC coverage for the same price as the KBPF3.


73,
Henry - K4TMC


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From: Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KBPF3 Benefits without SubReceiver?


... what benefit would it be to get
the KBPF3 General Coverage RX Filter Module?  ...  will this impact 

the


performance while in the ham bands?



The KBPF3 is switched into the signal path instead of the ham-band
bandpass filters when you tune the K3 outside the ham bands.  When you
are tuned inside the ham bands, it is bypassed and the standard 
ham-band

filters are used.


There is no practical degradation of ham-band performance, and greatly
enhanced reception when outside the ham bands.


I use mine regularly!


Merry Christmas,


Lyle kK7P








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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: Sudden erratic power/high current problems with K2

2007-12-22 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jeff,

I have never encountered an intermittent diode, but of course soldering 
problems can create  an intermittent.  Also, you might have an 
oscillation that is creating that behavior - it is difficult to say if 
you are only looking at the output power - the actual frequency of the 
output would reveal whether it is a parasitic oscillation or just a 
power control intermittent.


One of the clues is that a parasitic oscillation will usually not show 
up when working into a dummy load because the dummy load is not 
frequency sensitive - when working into an antenna and/or an antenna 
tuner, a parasitic will show up with a high SWR indication because the 
load is frequency sensitive.


If your KPA100 was purchased before Nov 2006, it does not have the newer 
T/R switch design, and you should upgrade it with KPA100UPKT.  If you 
have already done that, be certain that C31 was changed to a 0.22 uF 
capacitor with the upgrade.  The upgrade kit does not contain the new 
capacitor for C31 - you must request one separately from 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  There are steps in process to include the new C31 
with the KPA100UPKT, but it is not yet complete.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jeff Kinzli N6GQ wrote:

Don, would this behavior (of zapped wattmeter diodes) be intermittant,
or constant? I have been chasing an intermittant high-output and
erratic output problem for a while...just wondering if this might be
my problem? Are these diodes particularly ESD-sensitive?

Thanks,

Jeff N6GQ
  


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KBPF3 Benefits without SubReceiver?

2007-12-22 Thread Benny Aumala

k4tmc wrote:
Instead, I can buy a good used separate 0.5 - 30 MHz receiver for SWBC 
coverage for the same price as the KBPF3.


Instead, you can take an SDR-IQ and use it as HF-RX. When not after BC, 
it can serve as a band scope for K3.


Benny OH9NB


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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2007-12-22 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   We have made it past the bottom it seems.  There was a sunspot of reverse 
polarity this week which is said to signify the beginning of the upward cycle.  
We have also passed the shortest day of the year.  Winter began today though it 
was hard to tell the difference from the days before.  We've been alternating 
between snow and rain for the last week although the snow portion of the cycle 
has changed by staying longer more frequently.  Currently there are about two 
inches on the ground with more coming tomorrow.
   Propagation on twenty was better this week than last but QSB persists.  
Forty meters has been said to be rough but we can work through that by sticking 
with the time we used last week.  Moving forty earlier helped a great deal; I 
was able to work a few Californians directly.  However, Tom should be around on 
both nets because he was able to locate the truncated dipole's center and 
splice on a new leg.   
   Hopefully you are well prepared for next Tuesday.  I used up a pile of 
ingredients Pat had purchased in preparation for Christmas 2005.  I now have 
three batches of Mamie Eisenhower's Million Dollar fudge.  What I am going to 
do with it is still in limbo but it used up most of the ingredients.  One more 
batch should rid me of the overload of chocolate she left me.  UPS or USPS will 
be shipping off many pounds of it to places east of here.  As long as it gets 
out of the house I'll be fine :)  

Please join us tomorrow evening.
 
1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP relay help)
 
Sunday 2300z (Sunday 3 PM PST) 14050 kHz
Monday 0100z (Sunday 5 PM PST)  7045 kHz
 
   Stay warm,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS
 
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 KBPF3 Benefits without SubReceiver?

2007-12-22 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It doesn't degrade the K3 performance in any way. The KBPF3 simply adds the
right input circuits to maintain full sensitivity across the entire tuning
range.

Ron AC7AC



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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KBPF3 Benefits without SubReceiver?


Kyle, et al,

Thanks for the quick responses.  OK, it looks like the KBPF3 turns the 
K3 into a general coverage receiver without having to order the 
SubReceiver option.  That sounds like a reasonable option to have to 
allow listening to the CB/FRS bands :-)

My concern about the mounting location is the affect of the KBPF3 
circuit board with similar tuned circuits in such close proximity to 
the ham band tuned circuits.  The affect may be subtle and only 
detectable in unusually strong signal situations.  I just do not want 
to add something that could slightly reduce the K3's performance in the 
ham bands.  Instead, I can buy a good used separate 0.5 - 30 MHz 
receiver for SWBC coverage for the same price as the KBPF3.

73,
Henry - K4TMC


-Original Message-
From: Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KBPF3 Benefits without SubReceiver?

 ... what benefit would it be to get
 the KBPF3 General Coverage RX Filter Module?  ...  will this impact
the

 performance while in the ham bands?


The KBPF3 is switched into the signal path instead of the ham-band
bandpass filters when you tune the K3 outside the ham bands.  When you
are tuned inside the ham bands, it is bypassed and the standard 
ham-band
filters are used.


There is no practical degradation of ham-band performance, and greatly
enhanced reception when outside the ham bands.


I use mine regularly!


Merry Christmas,


Lyle kK7P








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