[Elecraft] KNB2 diagnosis

2007-12-26 Thread Sverre Holm
K6DBG wrote
 Some of the time, my pulses just die at the output of R8, which goes to ground
 via L1. I'm not sure exactly what I do differently when the pulse gets past -
 perhaps just how hard I'm tapping?

Sounds strange, if you hear the noises coming through your K2 (with the NB 
off), they have to pass through the bandpass composed of
L1 and L2 - all the time.

 If I have the NB turned off, the signal stops at pin 4 of U1 - I see pulses
 there, but not at pin 1.

Is your U1 - MC1350 working? Have you measured DC voltages and check against 
the data sheet?


73

Sverre
LA3ZA

Unofficial Guide to K2 Modifications 
http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Avoiding those long lines of text we struggle to read!

2007-12-26 Thread Leo Bricker K5LDB



It is still considered good practice for email clients to wrap text in
outgoing email to less than 80 characters.



  That makes it break the common long URIs for a particular
product or article.  It also wraps a reply, causing alternate
long lines with a word or two on the next line when the original
has been formatted correctly with linefeeds embedded.
  I haven't read RFC2822 in over six years at least: I'm
pretty sure it doesn't recommend setting automatic line wrap on
an editor, at least for the reasons I mentioned above. I remember
that it sets a limit on how long a line should be - under manual
control using the return key every so often.

Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962
  
Unless one is typing on a manual typewriter or has reached the end of a 
paragraph and is hitting return to add a blank line before the next 
paragraph then one shouldn't put a linefeed in their message in my 
opinion. Also, anyone posting a URL in a message should go to 
www.tinyurl.com and convert it before inputting it. There's no excuse to 
have a long URL in a message anymore.


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[Elecraft] K3 Filter advice...

2007-12-26 Thread drewko1
I'm wondering what minimum complement of filters would work for me in
a K3. I am only interested in general coverage reception of SWBC
stations, plus operating CW. I am a little unlclear about what filter
would be required for AM (reception only), with the KBPF3 option.

For CW I generally prefer a wide filter (my K2 is set at 2.0 kHz most
of the time). I suppose I would want a narrower filter as well but
can't decide whether 500/400 or 250/200. 

Does a 2.1 kHz + 200 Hz filter pair seem like a useful combo for CW?

Finally, I don't have a clue what noticeable difference there would be
between a 200/5-pole and a 250/8-pole. If the difference is really
subtle or limited to very occasional use I suppose I'd go for the
cheaper one. 

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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Re: [Elecraft] xv222 - Diode Issue

2007-12-26 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Hi John,

The 1N5238 is an equivalent manufacturing substitution for the 1N5235. 
Go ahead and use it for D3.


We'll update the XV222 errata to cover this. Sorry for he confusion!

73, Eric  WA6HHQ


John Hoaglun wrote:

Hello fellow builders:

I am building an xv222 transverter. The last step on page 28 is to 
sort 13 diodes.

1 - 1n5235  (D3)
2 - 1n5711 (D7,D8)
10 - 1n4148 (D1, D2, D3, D13, D6,D12,D9,D14,D15,D16)

I don't have a 1n5235... but there is a 1n5358 in the parts bag.  All 
of the parts match except for this one diode. Is the 1n5358 a 
replacement/equivalent part?  I don't see this listed in the errata 
notes nor can I confirm/deny on the internet that they are 
interchangeable parts.


Please respond to the list and cc me directly. (I get the digest 
version of the list so I might not see the response... or in a timely 
fashion.)


Thanks, JH


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter advice...

2007-12-26 Thread John W2XS


There were many great posts about the filter options.  Thanks to all who
provided good advice. I read all of them. This is my take on all of the
postings about filters.

1. The shape factor of a roofing filter is not as important as the shape
factor of a conventional main IF filter.  Therefore, a 5-pole will be fine
for a roofing filter.  Based on this, I went with the default 5-pole 2.7kHz
filter. Since I am a CW operator, I also went with the 500 Hz and 200 Hz CW
filters.  The 200 Hz may be overkill since the rig has the shift control,
but it was not that much more money.

2. The widest roofing filter determines the widest receiver selectivity.  In
other words, you must have a roofing filter installed - you cannot jumper
over a slot for wide hi-fi selectivity. Based on that, since I also like to
listen to SW and AM BCB, I added the 6 kHz AM filter.

So my widest bandwidth will be 6 kHz and the narrowest bandwidth will be
whatever the DSP can do (50 Hz or so) in series with a 200 Hz roofing
filter. 

That sounded like a good combination to me.  The biggest problem will come
when trying to listen to a weak station who is near another station with a
noisy transmitted signal.  

Time will tell if my assumptions are valid, but I was happy with the choices
when I ordered.

73,

John W2XS

KX1 (S/N 015 and S/N 925) w/KXPD1, KXAT1, KXB30
K2 (S/N 1116) w/KAT2, KSB2, K160RX, KIO2, KBT2, KNB2, KAF2, FDIMP
K3/100 (S/N TBD) w/KAT3, KBPF3, KUSB, KFL3A-200, 500, 2.7K, 6K
HexKey (S/N 113 )
DL1, BL1, BL2, N-gen, XG1, BNC-MM

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Re: [Elecraft] Avoiding those long lines of text we struggle to read!

2007-12-26 Thread B. Scott Andersen

The TinyURL service now has a preview feature
that allows you to see the expanded URL _before_
going there. So, I believe this addresses your concern.

-- Scott (NE1RD)


Rod Ai7NN wrote:
 
 An alternative is to embed the long URL in thecharacter.
 Most email clients then treat the long string of enclosed characters
 as a single token. Example:
 http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#K2
 
 IMHO I'd rather see the whole URL in an email. Safety first, I want to
 know what site I going to...etc.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter advice...

2007-12-26 Thread Don Wilhelm

Drew,

For AM you will need either the 6 kHz or the 15 kHz filter - an AM 
signal will not fit through the 2.7 kHz filter without seriously 
degrading the fidelity.


The 2.7 kHz filter along with the DSP filtering does an acceptable job 
for casual CW, but if a strong (S-9+30) station comes on the air within 
that 2.7 kHz bandpass, the DSP input can be overloaded, so you may want 
to consider a filter more narrow than the 2.7 - I think 500 Hz is a good 
choice.  For data modes, 200 Hz is a good choice, and IMHO is a bit 
narrow for normal CW.


If you are into operating during periods of heavy band use (like contest 
times), then the 8 pole filters with their steeper skirts may be 
helpful, but for more casual use, the 5 pole filters do a great job.


Remember that the filters are 'roofing filters', and not the final 
filtering (which is done in DSP).  Their purpose is to reduce the 
strength of undesired signals ahead of the DSP ADC - as long as the DAC 
is not overloaded, the DSP can provide all the filtering needed.  Right 
now, I have only the 2.7 kHz filter in my K3 and it does quite well on 
CW with only the DSP filtering - but then I have not operated on a 
contest weekend yet either.


73,
Don W3FPR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm wondering what minimum complement of filters would work for me in
a K3. I am only interested in general coverage reception of SWBC
stations, plus operating CW. I am a little unlclear about what filter
would be required for AM (reception only), with the KBPF3 option.

For CW I generally prefer a wide filter (my K2 is set at 2.0 kHz most
of the time). I suppose I would want a narrower filter as well but
can't decide whether 500/400 or 250/200. 


Does a 2.1 kHz + 200 Hz filter pair seem like a useful combo for CW?

Finally, I don't have a clue what noticeable difference there would be
between a 200/5-pole and a 250/8-pole. If the difference is really
subtle or limited to very occasional use I suppose I'd go for the
cheaper one. 


73,
Drew
AF2Z

  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter advice...

2007-12-26 Thread David Yarnes

Drew and All,

I'll take a stab at giving you an answer.  For AM reception (and shortwave) 
you would want the 6 khz filter.  For CW, you need to make a choice, but I 
suspect that in order to limit the number of filters you would be best 
advised to select either the 400 hz or 500 hz filter.  You can look at the 
graphs to see which has the characteristics you prefer.  I have the 400 hz 
and the 200 hz filters.  Most of the time I use the 400 hz, and only invoke 
the 200 hz filter when things get really tough.  But I'm glad I have the 
narrower filter.  However, if I only had one CW filter I would probably opt 
for the 400 hz.  I am very pleased with how the 400 hz filter works and 
sounds.  I think I saw someone suggest the 500 hz would be a better choice, 
but I'm not sure I remember why.  Personally, I want the narrower filter for 
those occasions when you need just a little tighter bandpass.  Besides, I 
don't find using the 400 hz filter to be unpleasant at all, so I don't think 
I would necessarily be better served with a 500 hz in the alternative.  I 
suppose you might find the 500 hz filter to be sufficient, when combined 
with the K3's DSP capabilities, but I think you would actually have to do 
some hands on to be sure you like the result.


O.K.  That's my answer.  I bet you get several others.

Dave W7AQK

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Filter advice...



I'm wondering what minimum complement of filters would work for me in
a K3. I am only interested in general coverage reception of SWBC
stations, plus operating CW. I am a little unlclear about what filter
would be required for AM (reception only), with the KBPF3 option.

For CW I generally prefer a wide filter (my K2 is set at 2.0 kHz most
of the time). I suppose I would want a narrower filter as well but
can't decide whether 500/400 or 250/200.

Does a 2.1 kHz + 200 Hz filter pair seem like a useful combo for CW?

Finally, I don't have a clue what noticeable difference there would be
between a 200/5-pole and a 250/8-pole. If the difference is really
subtle or limited to very occasional use I suppose I'd go for the
cheaper one.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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Re: [Elecraft] Avoiding those long lines of text we struggle to read!

2007-12-26 Thread rcerkon
An alternative is to embed the long URL in thecharacter.
Most email clients then treat the long string of enclosed characters
as a single token. Example:
http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#K2

IMHO I'd rather see the whole URL in an email. Safety first, I want to
know what site I going to...etc.
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On Dec 26, 2007 7:03 AM, Leo Bricker K5LDB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ... Also, anyone posting a URL in a message should go to
 www.tinyurl.com and convert it before inputting it. There's no excuse to
 have a long URL in a message anymore.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter advice...

2007-12-26 Thread Vic K2VCO

John W2XS wrote:


The biggest problem will come
when trying to listen to a weak station who is near another station with a
noisy transmitted signal.  


Since I've had my K3 I've become even more aware than before that a 
couple of ham neighbors (within a mile) are radiating really awful crap 
around their signals. One of them runs 1500 watts, too.


If a spurious signal is 50 dB down from 1500 watts, it's a 15 mW signal, 
which is pretty loud. And I don't think some of these spurs are 50 dB down.

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Re: [Elecraft] xv222 - Diode Issue - CORRECTION

2007-12-26 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
CORRECTION - My last email was in error. (Our manufacturing department 
misunderstood my question on this.)


We are NOT shipping 1N5238 diodes in the XV222 kit.

The correct part for D3 is the 1N5235B. We just checked and this is the 
part for D3 packed in our current stock of XV222 kits.


John - Could you be misreading the markings on the diode? The 1N5235B is 
marked with 52 on one line and 35B on the second line. (B as in 
Boy) It is possible you are reading the B as an 8. If not, let me 
know and we'll get you the correct part.


I apologize for the confusion on this.

73, Eric   WA6HHQ





John Hoaglun wrote:

Hello fellow builders:

I am building an xv222 transverter. The last step on page 28 is to 
sort 13 diodes.

1 - 1n5235  (D3)
2 - 1n5711 (D7,D8)
10 - 1n4148 (D1, D2, D3, D13, D6,D12,D9,D14,D15,D16)

I don't have a 1n5235... but there is a 1n5358 in the parts bag.  All 
of the parts match except for this one diode. Is the 1n5358 a 
replacement/equivalent part?  I don't see this listed in the errata 
notes nor can I confirm/deny on the internet that they are 
interchangeable parts.


Please respond to the list and cc me directly. (I get the digest 
version of the list so I might not see the response... or in a timely 
fashion.)


Thanks, JH




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Re: [Elecraft] Avoiding those long lines of text we struggle to read!

2007-12-26 Thread Phil Kane
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:03:30 -0600, Leo Bricker K5LDB wrote:

 Unless one is typing on a manual typewriter or has reached the
 end of a paragraph and is hitting return to add a blank line
 before the next paragraph then one shouldn't put a linefeed in
 their message in my opinion. 

  That is all well and good if the e-mail sending program wraps
  (i.e. automatically inserts LF/CR) each line in your above-
  described stream of consciousness type text - what my
  wordprocessor calls MS-ASCII Text- not only on the text
  presented to the composer but also in the outgoing message.
  My e-mail program allows me to use a full-screen text editor
  which wraps at 70 characters per line and spell-checks each
  message prior to accepting it for sending.

  Not all e-mail programs will do the wrap on received text.
  Mine, for instance, is very polite -- if you send me a message
  with 300 characters in a row it will display all 300 characters
  in a single line if there are no LF/CRs in it.

  I get around that by hitting the delete key.   I spend most of
  each day reading and answering professional and personal e-mail
  and usenet messages, and won't waste my time and emotions
  reformatting a message that the sender could have but failed to
  format before sending.  I'd rather spend my time working 40
  meters.

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Re: [Elecraft] Avoiding those long lines of text we struggle to read!

2007-12-26 Thread Leo Bricker K5LDB



Unless one is typing on a manual typewriter or has reached the
end of a paragraph and is hitting return to add a blank line
before the next paragraph then one shouldn't put a linefeed in
their message in my opinion. 



  That is all well and good if the e-mail sending program wraps
  
I am unaware of any mainstream program that doesn't format correctly 
although I am not familiar with a large number of programs. I'm 
presuming good behavior on the part of the program. Perhaps that's too 
much to expect out of software though.


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Re: [Elecraft] Strange digital transmissions

2007-12-26 Thread Phil Kane
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:26:42 -0800, Vic K2VCO wrote:

 I've been hearing this lately on the low end of the 20m CW band.
 A noise that sounds like a distant machine gun. There's a burst a
 few seconds long, and then a response -- obviously from another
 station.

 These signals are wide-ish, taking up a few kHz. The K3 DSP noise
 blanker reduces their amplitude a little but doesn't eliminate
 them.

 I'm pretty sure they are not amateur signals -- they are not on
 'digital' frequencies, they are in fact too wide to be legal in
 the CW/digital part of the band, and they are very loud.

 Does anybody know what they are?

  Most probably your taxpayer dollars at work.  There have been
  several Experimental licenses issued to government communication
  systems contractors valid for any HF frequency that the contractor
  may pick, and no attempts are made to keep them off the ham bands.
  Burst-type transmissions are some of their favorite modes.

  Then again we don't know if they are originating in the US, and
  if they are originating from certain places in the US nobody
  involved will be willing to admit it anyhow.

  In the good old days I could have had my counterparts on the
  FCC HFDF monitoring net determine what and where it is, but
  alas most of them (including myself) have retired and now that
  the HFDF net is under the Public Safety and Homeland Security
  Bureau rather than the Enforcement Bureau, those who are left
  are wary of doing such favors for the retirees.

  What freq. / time do you hear it?  I'll give a listen here.
  You may also want to check with the ARRL Intruder Watch folks.
  They may already have the answer.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter advice...

2007-12-26 Thread Bill W5WVO

Don Wilhelm wrote:


For AM you will need either the 6 kHz or the 15 kHz filter - an AM
signal will not fit through the 2.7 kHz filter without seriously
degrading the fidelity.


True enough -- but if you are a SW DXer trying to verify the ID of a weak, 
rare SWBC station, and therefore not particularly interested in fidelity, you 
can listen to AM in USB/LSB mode quite satisfactorily by zero-beating the 
carrier. This is especially cool because by switching between LSB and USB, you 
can pick the sideband that is the least interfered with by adjacent-channel 
signals. Having chosen the sideband to listen to, you can then tailor the DSP 
passband to maximize intelligibility. I use this mode often when DXing on 
broadbanded GC receivers in preference to using the wide AM mode provided.


Bill / W5WVO
K3 in February 2008



The 2.7 kHz filter along with the DSP filtering does an acceptable job
for casual CW, but if a strong (S-9+30) station comes on the air
within that 2.7 kHz bandpass, the DSP input can be overloaded, so you
may want to consider a filter more narrow than the 2.7 - I think 500
Hz is a good choice.  For data modes, 200 Hz is a good choice, and
IMHO is a bit narrow for normal CW.

If you are into operating during periods of heavy band use (like
contest times), then the 8 pole filters with their steeper skirts may
be helpful, but for more casual use, the 5 pole filters do a great
job.
Remember that the filters are 'roofing filters', and not the final
filtering (which is done in DSP).  Their purpose is to reduce the
strength of undesired signals ahead of the DSP ADC - as long as the
DAC is not overloaded, the DSP can provide all the filtering needed. Right 
now, I have only the 2.7 kHz filter in my K3 and it does quite

well on CW with only the DSP filtering - but then I have not operated
on a contest weekend yet either.

73,
Don W3FPR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm wondering what minimum complement of filters would work for me in
a K3. I am only interested in general coverage reception of SWBC
stations, plus operating CW. I am a little unlclear about what filter
would be required for AM (reception only), with the KBPF3 option.

For CW I generally prefer a wide filter (my K2 is set at 2.0 kHz most
of the time). I suppose I would want a narrower filter as well but
can't decide whether 500/400 or 250/200.

Does a 2.1 kHz + 200 Hz filter pair seem like a useful combo for CW?

Finally, I don't have a clue what noticeable difference there would
be between a 200/5-pole and a 250/8-pole. If the difference is really
subtle or limited to very occasional use I suppose I'd go for the
cheaper one.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



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[Elecraft] Amplifier Hook Up

2007-12-26 Thread pappy_c

When examining the back panel of the K3 I see an output for PTT to control an
amplifier but I don't see any input for the amplifier AGC output to control
the transmitter power.  Surely this common feature was not overlooked on
such a feature rich transceiver.  Where is the connection for this control
and what control voltage is it looking for?  I don't see an amplifier hook
up diagram in the manual either.  Surely someone using this transceiver with
an amp!
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Re: [Elecraft] Strange digital transmissions

2007-12-26 Thread Vic K2VCO

Phil Kane wrote:


  What freq. / time do you hear it?  I'll give a listen here.
  You may also want to check with the ARRL Intruder Watch folks.
  They may already have the answer.


I've heard it at various times, but usually midmorning California time 
(say, 1600Z) on 14.010-14.015 or so.


Listen for a chuckata-chuckata-chuckata sound for a few seconds at a 
time. I am thinking it's OTH radar.

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[Elecraft] K3 ACC Jack

2007-12-26 Thread Ellam, Timothy St. J.
Silly question, but I cannot tell from the manual (no K3 yet) and am wiring the 
transverter cables. I take it the ACC jack on the rear of the K3 is a female 
jack?
 
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[Elecraft] K3 ACC Jack

2007-12-26 Thread Dave G4AON

Yes, it's a female connector.

Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
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Silly question, but I cannot tell from the manual (no K3 yet) and am 
wiring the transverter cables. I take it the ACC jack on the rear of the 
K3 is a female jack?


Tim VE6SH
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[Elecraft] Amplifier Hook Up

2007-12-26 Thread Dave G4AON
I use my K3/100 with an Acom 1000, I just connect the phono keying 
output to the amplifier keying input with a phono to phono screened 
lead. The Acom doesn't have ALC output, so it's not an issue. The 
K3/Acom combination works great on CW with no relay thumps or clicks 
from the almost silent vacuum relay in the Acom linear.


The ALC input to the K3 is positive going (0 to + 5 Volts on pin 15 of 
the Aux I/O socket) and has been discussed on the Reflector previously.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80


When examining the back panel of the K3 I see an output for PTT to control an
amplifier but I don't see any input for the amplifier AGC output to control
the transmitter power.  Surely this common feature was not overlooked on
such a feature rich transceiver.  Where is the connection for this control
and what control voltage is it looking for?  I don't see an amplifier hook
up diagram in the manual either.  Surely someone using this transceiver with
an amp!

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Re: [Elecraft] Strange digital transmissions

2007-12-26 Thread Ken Kopp

Don't forget the hundreds (thousands?) of loose
cannon ionospheric sounders ... (;-))

73! Ken Kopp -K0PP
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[Elecraft] K3 - A CW rig?

2007-12-26 Thread Fred (FL)
Seems like much of the K3 Reflector correspondence,
and even the discussons of K3 Filters, invariably
ignores the SSB mode in the K3.   Is the K3, like the
K2, again looked at as a CW contest rig?   For those
hundreds who received their K3's so far, there haven't
been an practical how it works posts.

This retired ham, is waiting until after 1 Jan, to
decide when to order my K3.  In a way it seems like
the rig is still early in its product introduction,
maybe later would be better.

Fred
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - A CW rig?

2007-12-26 Thread Tom Hammond

Fred:

You must have been looking the other way when the SSB reports were 
posted, Fred.


I know that I've posted at least two and several others have posted as well.

Check the archives.

73,

Tom   N0SS

At 14:45 12/26/2007, Fred (FL) wrote:

Seems like much of the K3 Reflector correspondence,
and even the discussons of K3 Filters, invariably
ignores the SSB mode in the K3.   Is the K3, like the
K2, again looked at as a CW contest rig?   For those
hundreds who received their K3's so far, there haven't
been an practical how it works posts.

This retired ham, is waiting until after 1 Jan, to
decide when to order my K3.  In a way it seems like
the rig is still early in its product introduction,
maybe later would be better.

Fred
N3CSY




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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - A CW rig?

2007-12-26 Thread Gary Hvizdak
On Wed Dec 26 2007 at 15:45:33 EST, Fred (N3CSY) wrote ...
... there haven't been an practical how it works posts.

Fred,

Check out the 17 K3 reviews at http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 

73,
Gary  KI4GGX

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[Elecraft] K3 - A CW rig?

2007-12-26 Thread Benny Aumala

Fred,
you are right. K3 is not for everybody.
For SSB-man, there is everything available, 1st class.
Remember K2 had SSB as add-on unit. This rig has:
-Voice monitoring
-Microphone selection
-Digital speech compression
-VOX of premium quality
-Microphone equalisation

And with DVR-unit:
-TX message record and playback
-RX audio recording

Same kind of list can be made for digital modes, too.

Maybe one reason for messages from CW-folks is
that they are more alert; they knew K3 at once and acted.

Another is certainly the huge improvement for CW using
this RX architecture. Improvement with narrow roofing filter is
more significant for CW than SSB. But SSB is improved, too.

This is my best phone machine during 50 years of amateurisme.
And I have had and made many.
Just wait for official measurements including SSB-behaviour!
But then it is rush-hour.

Benny OH9NB

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - A CW rig?

2007-12-26 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Seems like much of the K3 Reflector correspondence,
and even the discussons of K3 Filters, invariably
ignores the SSB mode in the K3.   Is the K3, like the
K2, again looked at as a CW contest rig? 



Not in the slightest Fred! Not only does the K3 provide superior SSB, it
includes TX audio equalization as well as RX equalization to 'fine tune'
your transmit audio as well as receive audio. 

Nor does the K3 do anything to slight the dedicated competitive CW operator!


Since I'm following several lists at once, I can't recall exactly which one
has contained most of the glowing SSB reports, but there have been plenty
from ardent contesters and rag-chewers alike running SSB and CW. 

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] Avoiding those long lines of text we struggle to read!

2007-12-26 Thread David Woolley

Brian Mury wrote:

On Tue, 2007-12-25 at 11:45 -0800, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:


I use MS Outlook, and don't get over-length lines requiring scrolling from


Outlook doesn't, as far as I know, have options to display plain text
email according to standards, so you will probably never see the problem 
if you only use that client.  For thunderbird, setting the advanced 
option mail.wrap_long_lines to false ought to reveal problem articles.




Email clients will usually wrap text on outgoing messages to a certain
line length (normally less than 80 characters), but some clients do not.


It's part of the basic netiquette guidelines.


The standard is for text to be wrapped. Unwrapped text has traditionally
been considered poor practice and made emails difficult or impossible to


Unwrapped text should be displayed as close as possible to unwrapped. 
On a GUI client that should mean as a single line with a scroll bar.  On 
a fixed width display, that is with breaks between characters at the 
screen width.


Unfortunately early GUI email clients treated text like notepad in wrap 
mode, and thus broke the email standards.  Unfortunately, people using 
such broken clients don't see the problem, so it is an unrealistic 
expectation that people, brought up exclusively on GUI clients, should 
generate correct email in this respect.


In case anyone is going to throw in the progress argument, really up to 
date email clients use some conventions that allow compatible email 
clients to re-wrap text, without sending a whole paragraph on one line.




It is still considered good practice for email clients to wrap text in
outgoing email to less than 80 characters.


The guideline is somewhat less than this, to allow for a few levels of 
quoting.




RFC 2822 is the original standard for plain ASCII (non-MIME email).
RFC 2646 covers the text/plain MIME type.


See my signature, for the netiquette RFC that covers this sort of thing, 
but, as noted above, in reality all you can do is use the problem as a 
newbie detector, as complaining here is unlikely to change many people's 
 ways.


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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - A CW rig?

2007-12-26 Thread Larry Maguire
Fred,

I think the CW ops jumped first on ordering. There have been ssb reports
about the K3, but there has probably been more discussion about the CW side
of the rig so far.

I am going to order early next year and will only use the rig for 75 meter
ssb and some am broadcast band reception. I believe I will be satisfied with
the rig. As time passes, I predict there will be more ssb activity,
including driving linear amps, with the rig than cw.

Eric and/or Wayne if you read this post, I hope you will come to the
Charlotte, NC Hamfest in March(?) 2008 with the K3 or send Lisa.

Larry
WD4MBE

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - A CW rig?

Seems like much of the K3 Reflector correspondence, and even the discussons
of K3 Filters, invariably
ignores the SSB mode in the K3.   Is the K3, like the
K2, again looked at as a CW contest rig?   For those
hundreds who received their K3's so far, there haven't been an practical
how it works posts.

This retired ham, is waiting until after 1 Jan, to decide when to order my
K3.  In a way it seems like the rig is still early in its product
introduction, maybe later would be better.

Fred
N3CSY


 


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[Elecraft] K3 - PSK31

2007-12-26 Thread Joe

Can you connect a PC keyboard, without a computer, to the K3 and work/enter 
PSK31? I understand it will decode PSK31.


Joe  N9VX




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Re: [Elecraft] For Sale: Unbuilt KDSP2

2007-12-26 Thread B. Scott Andersen

Doug,

Sorry if this is a duplicate message.
I'd like to take the DSP if it is still available.

Email me at my callsign at arrl.net

Thank you!

-- Scott (NE1RD)


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31

2007-12-26 Thread Vic K2VCO

Joe wrote:

Can you connect a PC keyboard, without a computer, to the K3 and
work/enter PSK31? I understand it will decode PSK31.


No. You can send RTTY and PSK from the K3 by sending CW with a paddle. 
It does decode both modes, displaying the text in the VFO B area.


If you want to send digital modes with a keyboard, though, you still 
need a computer.

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Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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[Elecraft] K3 - PSK31

2007-12-26 Thread Mike Penkas
My K3 does not send PSK31 with a paddle.
I think they are still working on this along with
the fix for AFSK A mode
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[Elecraft] K3 and spectrogram: SSB

2007-12-26 Thread cloud runner
Put the K3 on spectrogram today.  As expected the CW filters are delightfully 
clean.



Now, the SSB filters.  This was with 2.7 five pole filter.  DSP set at 2.7 khz, 
the filter is for all intents, PERFECT.  Steep sides, very steep, and 
absolutely level and flat top from one side to the other.  You could see no 
difference whatever between USB and LSB plots.  It is by far the best plot of 
SSB filter I have ever put on spectrogram.

When it gets interesting, is when you narrow it up.  When you dial the width 
narrower, from 2.7 to, say, 2.1, it narrows from both ends.

More likely want to put it in Hi cut / Lo cut mode for SSB, and narrow it up by 
lowering only the side on which there is QRM that is causing you to want a 
narrower filter in the first place.

73,  Fred - kt5x
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[Elecraft] K3 and spectrogram: dual passband

2007-12-26 Thread cloud runner
The dual passband on spectrogram was most informative.  It turns out my ear had 
little idea what was going on.

I have the 2.7 khz and the 500 khz (but the radio is set to 600 khz).  I think 
this function will act differently with different filters on board.

Here is what happens.  When one puts on dual passband, the inner passband 
that is at full sensitivity is fixed at the 600 hz of the narrower roofing 
filter.  That PB does not change with any PB tuning adjustments.

The outside PB is about 25 DB down.  For me, that is too much!!!  I would 
rather this be down more like 15 DB.  At 25 DB down, I can hear there are 
stations outside the inner PB, but I can not copy them at the same time as the 
station in the center.

The outer PB is tipped, that is, the high frequency side of the inner filter is 
five to ten DB stronger than the low side.  Seems like it ought to be in 
balance.

PB shift or PB Hi / Lo cut, both do exactly the same thing when in dual PB 
mode.  They narrow up the outer filter, down to the inner filter at the 
narrowest.  They do not, for example, I might have thought the in HI /Lo mode, 
you might be able to chop off the upper or lower context independently, but you 
can not.

73,  Fred - kt5x

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31

2007-12-26 Thread AB7R
PSK-D mode from the paddles is not yet functioning.  Please do not try it
until a firmware release is available for that mode.

73
Greg
AB7R


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Joe wrote:
 Can you connect a PC keyboard, without a computer, to the K3 and
 work/enter PSK31? I understand it will decode PSK31.

No. You can send RTTY and PSK from the K3 by sending CW with a paddle.
It does decode both modes, displaying the text in the VFO B area.

If you want to send digital modes with a keyboard, though, you still
need a computer.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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[Elecraft] K2 Pictures/Road Trip Pictures!

2007-12-26 Thread Sarah K.
I'm back from my week-long road trip, and I finally have pictures from
my trip online, plus the pictures from my K2 build...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/af6fh/collections/

(Note: If you're offended by pictures of ham radios and stuffed
animals in close proximity, you probably shouldn't look... :-)

I actually didn't do much radio stuff on my trip; it was my first road
trip ever, and at times just getting from one place to another was as
much as I could handle! However, I did set my K2 up in the field,
which was good practice, because I expect to be doing more of that in
the future. My road-trip kit needs a little refinement, too, and I'll
have to work on that a bit. (Expect questions later!)

Sarah AF6FH
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31

2007-12-26 Thread David Yarnes
But it does work pretty well on RTTY just using CW for input.  I've tried it 
a few times, and it's kind of fun!  For sure it would be better with a 
computer, but being able to do it sans computer can be pretty handy at 
times.  It's another good reason to bone up on your CW skills if you haven't 
been giving it much attention.  If you don't send too well though, this may 
not be a feature you will enjoy.  Remember, the radio has to be able to read 
what you send in order to convert it to RTTY.


Dave W7AQK

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Joe wrote:

Can you connect a PC keyboard, without a computer, to the K3 and
work/enter PSK31? I understand it will decode PSK31.


No. You can send RTTY and PSK from the K3 by sending CW with a paddle. It 
does decode both modes, displaying the text in the VFO B area.


If you want to send digital modes with a keyboard, though, you still need 
a computer.

--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31

2007-12-26 Thread David Yarnes

Gee!  Now you tell me!  No wonder I wasn't getting anywhere when I tried it.

Dave W7AQK

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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31



PSK-D mode from the paddles is not yet functioning.  Please do not try it
until a firmware release is available for that mode.

73
Greg
AB7R


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Joe wrote:

Can you connect a PC keyboard, without a computer, to the K3 and
work/enter PSK31? I understand it will decode PSK31.


No. You can send RTTY and PSK from the K3 by sending CW with a paddle.
It does decode both modes, displaying the text in the VFO B area.

If you want to send digital modes with a keyboard, though, you still
need a computer.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Pictures/Road Trip Pictures!

2007-12-26 Thread Leo Bricker K5LDB

Sarah K. wrote:

I'm back from my week-long road trip, and I finally have pictures from
my trip online, plus the pictures from my K2 build...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/af6fh/collections/

(Note: If you're offended by pictures of ham radios and stuffed
animals in close proximity, you probably shouldn't look... :-)

I actually didn't do much radio stuff on my trip; it was my first road
trip ever, and at times just getting from one place to another was as
much as I could handle! However, I did set my K2 up in the field,
which was good practice, because I expect to be doing more of that in
the future. My road-trip kit needs a little refinement, too, and I'll
have to work on that a bit. (Expect questions later!)

Sarah AF6FH
  
I think the photos are very good and the way you got the stuffed animals 
to work on the K2 build is AMAZING! :)


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31

2007-12-26 Thread Vic K2VCO

Mike Penkas wrote:

My K3 does not send PSK31 with a paddle.
I think they are still working on this along with
the fix for AFSK A mode


I know that this didn't work a couple of weeks ago, but I thought it had 
been fixed already. Well, if it doesn't work yet, it will soon.

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Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - A CW rig?

2007-12-26 Thread David Wilburn
I saw picture of a guy in t-shirt at a cookout.  His t-shirt read,
'Without CW, it is just CB'.  Anyone know where these shirts are
available?  I haven't been able to find them.
-  

David Wilburn
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K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 23:55 +0200, Benny Aumala wrote:
 Fred,
 you are right. K3 is not for everybody.
 For SSB-man, there is everything available, 1st class.
 Remember K2 had SSB as add-on unit. This rig has:
 -Voice monitoring
 -Microphone selection
 -Digital speech compression
 -VOX of premium quality
 -Microphone equalisation
 
 And with DVR-unit:
 -TX message record and playback
 -RX audio recording
 
 Same kind of list can be made for digital modes, too.
 
 Maybe one reason for messages from CW-folks is
 that they are more alert; they knew K3 at once and acted.
 
 Another is certainly the huge improvement for CW using
 this RX architecture. Improvement with narrow roofing filter is
 more significant for CW than SSB. But SSB is improved, too.
 
 This is my best phone machine during 50 years of amateurisme.
 And I have had and made many.
 Just wait for official measurements including SSB-behaviour!
 But then it is rush-hour.
 
 Benny OH9NB
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Pictures/Road Trip Pictures!

2007-12-26 Thread Robert G. Strickland

Nifty pictures, well-taken. The K2 is the cherry on top. Have fun.

...robert  KE2WY

At 12/26/2007 19:37, Sarah K. wrote:

I'm back from my week-long road trip, and I finally have pictures from
my trip online, plus the pictures from my K2 build...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/af6fh/collections/

(Note: If you're offended by pictures of ham radios and stuffed
animals in close proximity, you probably shouldn't look... :-)

I actually didn't do much radio stuff on my trip; it was my first road
trip ever, and at times just getting from one place to another was as
much as I could handle! However, I did set my K2 up in the field,
which was good practice, because I expect to be doing more of that in
the future. My road-trip kit needs a little refinement, too, and I'll
have to work on that a bit. (Expect questions later!)

Sarah AF6FH
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31

2007-12-26 Thread David Wilburn
I was copying a fella (don't remember the call) earlier this week who
was sending RTTY from paddles.  I had just connected a cable from my K2
to the computer and fired up MMTTY, and had just started copying.  The
guy in Texas was sending RTTY from the paddles.  You could tell, as his
sending was a bit slower than the folks that were sending from computer
only.  He would stop and start, it was as if the signal faded, but it
just lulled when he paused, headed to the next letter.  It was pretty
cool.  He was explaining the whole process to the person at the other
end.
-  

David Wilburn
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K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 19:18 -0800, Mike Penkas wrote:
 My K3 does not send PSK31 with a paddle.
 I think they are still working on this along with
 the fix for AFSK A mode
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