[Elecraft] KRX3 Shipping?

2008-07-30 Thread Roger Dallimore
Just received email notice that my KRX3 will be shipped  within the next 
1-2  weeks :-)


K3 kit, 3rd May 2007.KDVR3 (which will not be available until at 
least Fall 2008) end quote


73
Roger  MW0IDX  K3IDX

K3 #191
K2 #2724
KX1 #416

Is anyone receiving their KRX3s? My order has been in for over 13 months,
but no sign of it yet! The S/N of my K3 is 467.

Jerry   AI6L


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[Elecraft] K3 Katiegram received

2008-07-30 Thread Barry Simpson
Just checking my emails and found I have received my Katiegram. Kit 100w
version ordered 20 March. Shipping in one to two weeks.

 

Barry Simpson  VK2BJ

 

 

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[Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
RE:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tjKQ1g4X0I

Great video and demo.

I have not ordered the KRX3 for either of my k3 radios.  I do
contesting as 99% of my ham activity (not counting posting on the
Elecraft reflector), so I saw little need.  However, the LP-Pan is on
my list.

After viewing the video, I am happier than ever that I didn't get the
KRX3, so this alternative will be more than good enough for the
extremely rare occasion (for me) when I'd like to use a sub-receiver.

Of course, I can always use the 2nd K3.  ;-)

Great stuff guys!

de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] Dual PB filter

2008-07-30 Thread alsopb

Anybody out there playing with this feature or actually used it in a contest?  
What are your experiences?

Playing with it yielded the following:.

1) Narrower CW filters can't be used (at least not my 400 Hz and narrower
filters).  The wings are outside the narrow filter passband.
2) For me that meant the 1.8KHz roofing filter was used.

It seems like that defeats the purpose of having a K3.  In a contest
situation, I would certainly like as many rock crusher signal outside the
roofing filter passband as possible.

It would suggest one might consider the 1 KHz roofing filter, if you want to
seriously use this option.

If there existed some intermediate (say 700Hz) or variable roofing filter, 
what would it's width have to be to include the wings and be used for dual
PB filtering?

de Brian/K3KO
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[Elecraft] K3 Assembly issue with bottom Heat Sink cover!

2008-07-30 Thread williamsonr
Hey gang,

Just spent 4 hours assembling K3 s/n 1318 and all went well except for one 
slight but potentially serious hardware problem.  When installing the bottom 
heat sink cover over the LPA I noticed that the required 4-40 x 1/4 screws 
bottomed out in the standoffs under the TO-220 LPA transistors before they 
would compress the cover to the transistors (and yes I can measure screw 
lengths).  This will leave a gap between the transistor and the heatsink and 
not provide proper heat sinking!  It is strange to note that one of the Manual 
Errata changes was to point out that the heat sink cover was slightly thicker 
than the other bottom cover.  Wonder if this part has changed?  Any way, I 
added 3 #4 stainless steel flat washers under the screw heads and that allows 
the screws to fully compress the heat sink against the transistors.  For a 
belts and suspenders fix I also added a dab of heat sink compound to the 
transistors as well.  I did not check the screws coming from the top side of 
 t!
!
he LPA assy to see if the factory may have used the wrong/longer screws taking 
up extra standoff threads.  A #4 split washer could have also been left off of 
this top side screw and create the same issue or tol. stack up of the parts?

Any way HEADS UP!

73,

Rodger
N4NRW
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Assembly issue with bottom Heat Sink cover!

2008-07-30 Thread Bob Serwy
According to the assembly manual page 55, The NOTE states The three screws
marked A must be 1/4 black pan head with inside tooth lock washers under
the screw heads.

Also read the CAUTION. 


Bob Serwy - N9RS


Bob Serwy - N9RS

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Assembly issue with bottom Heat Sink cover! 

Hey gang,

Just spent 4 hours assembling K3 s/n 1318 and all went well except for one
slight but potentially serious hardware problem.  When installing the bottom
heat sink cover over the LPA I noticed that the required 4-40 x 1/4 screws
bottomed out in the standoffs under the TO-220 LPA transistors before they
would compress the cover to the transistors (and yes I can measure screw
lengths).  This will leave a gap between the transistor and the heatsink and
not provide proper heat sinking!  It is strange to note that one of the
Manual Errata changes was to point out that the heat sink cover was
slightly thicker than the other bottom cover.  Wonder if this part has
changed?  Any way, I added 3 #4 stainless steel flat washers under the screw
heads and that allows the screws to fully compress the heat sink against the
transistors.  For a belts and suspenders fix I also added a dab of heat sink
compound to the transistors as well.  I did not check the screws coming from
the top side of  t!
!
he LPA assy to see if the factory may have used the wrong/longer screws
taking up extra standoff threads.  A #4 split washer could have also been
left off of this top side screw and create the same issue or tol. stack up
of the parts?

Any way HEADS UP!

73,

Rodger
N4NRW
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3} Eterlogic VSPE 0.78

2008-07-30 Thread Serge


I tried only with PTT ( RTS-YES  in config K3) and latest VSPE 0.8 version -
all well.
Running HRD (CAT-PTT)-Multipsk (PTT) -MixW (CAT-PTT) in the same time.

Serge, RV3APM



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 Thank you very nice software

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Assembly issue with bottom Heat Sink cover!

2008-07-30 Thread Dr. James C. Garland
Rodger,
I assembled my K3 a couple of weeks ago (s/n 1217), and did not experience
your problem. The three transistors clamped nicely against the (thicker)
bottom cover using only the hardware specified in the instructions. As I
recall, there are both 3/16 and 1/4 screws in the kit. You sure you've
used the correct screws everywhere?

Took me about 10-11 hours to assemble my K3 (100W). I'm amazed you could do
it only 4 hours!

73, Jim W8ZR

 
 Hey gang,
 
 Just spent 4 hours assembling K3 s/n 1318 and all went well except for one
 slight but potentially serious hardware problem.  When installing the
 bottom heat sink cover over the LPA I noticed that the required 4-40 x
 1/4 screws bottomed out in the standoffs under the TO-220 LPA transistors
 before they would compress the cover to the transistors (and yes I can
 measure screw lengths).  This will leave a gap between the transistor and
 the heatsink and not provide proper heat sinking!  It is strange to note
 that one of the Manual Errata changes was to point out that the heat sink
 cover was slightly thicker than the other bottom cover.  Wonder if this
 part has changed?  Any way, I added 3 #4 stainless steel flat washers
 under the screw heads and that allows the screws to fully compress the
 heat sink against the transistors.  For a belts and suspenders fix I also
 added a dab of heat sink compound to the transistors as well.  I did not
 check the screws coming from the top side of the LPA assy to see if the
 factory may have used the wrong/longer screws
 taking up extra standoff threads.  A #4 split washer could have also been
 left off of this top side screw and create the same issue or tol. stack up
 of the parts?
 
 Any way HEADS UP!
 
 73,
 
 Rodger
 N4NRW
 ft.com

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] SUB RX and Calibration quesitons

2008-07-30 Thread K4IA
Very interesting video.  Couple of questions.

1.  The SUB  RX.  If I check the box I do get the blue passband but it 
doesn't move when  I turn the small VFO knob.  Did I understand that is a 
coming  
attraction?  I can move the blue passband with the mouse and hear the  second 
RX.  Is this really a poor-man's KRX3?  Seems with the LPPan  you are getting 
the benefit of a single conversion RX (post roofing filters) and  DSP filtering 
but it is not a true copy of the main RX like the KRX3.  
 
As I think about this, listening to both VFOs through the LPPan/SDR  combo is 
bypassing the second IF and the DSP filtering in the K3.   

2.  I still have trouble understanding the synchronization of  the pandapter 
to the K3.  The vertical red line seems to be the tuned  frequency + the 
sidetone but a CW signal appears to be sitting in the middle of  the passband 
which 
is up another 650hz.  I can adjust the IF Frequency  Global offset to the 
sidetone frequency to put the CW signal on the red  line.  But, when I switch 
to 
the other side (CWL to CWU for instance) the  signal is offset.  Is this 
normal?  
 
Buck
k4ia
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Re: [Elecraft] Dual PB filter

2008-07-30 Thread David Wilburn
It has really saved the day on a couple of RTTY QSO's.  That is the 
only place I have used it.


David Wilburn
K4DGW


alsopb wrote:
Anybody out there playing with this feature or actually used it in a contest?  
What are your experiences?


Playing with it yielded the following:.

1) Narrower CW filters can't be used (at least not my 400 Hz and narrower
filters).  The wings are outside the narrow filter passband.
2) For me that meant the 1.8KHz roofing filter was used.

It seems like that defeats the purpose of having a K3.  In a contest
situation, I would certainly like as many rock crusher signal outside the
roofing filter passband as possible.

It would suggest one might consider the 1 KHz roofing filter, if you want to
seriously use this option.

If there existed some intermediate (say 700Hz) or variable roofing filter, 
what would it's width have to be to include the wings and be used for dual

PB filtering?

de Brian/K3KO

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[Elecraft] CAUTION Re: [K3] Eterlogic VSPE 0.80

2008-07-30 Thread Bill W4ZV

One caution about using VSPE courtesy of N8LP below.  Do not connect any
other programs when running K3Utility for firmware updates.  It's possible
that the firmware update files could be corrupted by other programs
attempting to access the K3 during the update process.  Larry does not even
allow LP-Bridge to access to the K3Utility to avoid any potential problems.

73,  Bill

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LP-PAN/message/1019

Re: [LP-PAN] Re: LP-Bridge and PowerSDR v0.92 alphas released

Hi Bill. I block the K3 Utility commands. There is a mention on the LPB
web page to not use K3 Utility. I don't think it's safe to flash
firmware with more than one program connected to the K3. VSPE is like
LP-Bridge with all filtering disabled (ie, all ports connected to the
serial port, and vice versa). I would not use Utility with VSPE unless
it's the only application connected to VSPE at the time.

There are many situations I found in my testing of several other port
sharing programs many months ago where I had problems with polling
commands colliding, and causing missed commands and ignored commands by
the K3. Also, if all commands are returned to all programs, any program
without an asynchronous event driven serial implementation will get very
confused by all the unanticipated traffic. LP-Bridge isolates the
responses so that a program wont see anything it didn't poll for unless
you check AI1 or AI2. This is generally done for programs which don't poll.

Larry N8LP

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Assembly issue with bottom Heat Sink cover!

2008-07-30 Thread williamsonr
Thanks Bob!

I bet this is it.  At midnight I was beginning to go cross eyed.  I must have 
missed the internal tooth lock washers!  Better RF ground this way as well.

Thanks Gang!

73,
Rodger
N4NRW

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:06:04 -0500
From: Bob Serwy [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Assembly issue with bottom Heat Sink cover! 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

According to the assembly manual page 55, The NOTE states The three screws
marked A must be 1/4 black pan head with inside tooth lock washers under
the screw heads.

Also read the CAUTION. 


Bob Serwy - N9RS

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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Assembly issue with bottom Heat Sink cover! 

Hey gang,

Just spent 4 hours assembling K3 s/n 1318 and all went well except for one
slight but potentially serious hardware problem.  When installing the bottom
heat sink cover over the LPA I noticed that the required 4-40 x 1/4 screws
bottomed out in the standoffs under the TO-220 LPA transistors before they
would compress the cover to the transistors (and yes I can measure screw
lengths).  This will leave a gap between the transistor and the heatsink and
not provide proper heat sinking!  It is strange to note that one of the
Manual Errata changes was to point out that the heat sink cover was
slightly thicker than the other bottom cover.  Wonder if this part has
changed?  Any way, I added 3 #4 stainless steel flat washers under the screw
heads and that allows the screws to fully compress the heat sink against the
transistors.  For a belts and suspenders fix I also added a dab of heat sink
compound to the transistors as well.  I did not check the screws coming from
the top side of  t!
!
he LPA assy to see if the factory may have used the wrong/longer screws
taking up extra standoff threads.  A #4 split washer could have also been
left off of this top side screw and create the same issue or tol. stack up
of the parts?

Any way HEADS UP!

73,

Rodger
N4NRW
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Re: [Elecraft] Dual PB filter

2008-07-30 Thread Bill W4ZV



alsopb wrote:
 
 Anybody out there playing with this feature or actually used it in a
 contest?   What are your experiences?
 
 Playing with it yielded the following:.
 
 1) Narrower CW filters can't be used (at least not my 400 Hz and narrower
 filters).  The wings are outside the narrow filter passband.
 2) For me that meant the 1.8KHz roofing filter was used.
 

The narrowest setting of DUAL PB is set to 600 Hz by the DSP firmware.  If
you have a 500 Hz filter (actual BW ~560 Hz), you can adjust its set point
to 600 Hz so that it's enabled at the narrowest DUAL PB setting.  You could
do the same with the 400 Hz but 600 Hz is quite a bit above that filter's
430 Hz BW, which might cause other undesired issues in normal operation.

73,  Bill
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Re: [Elecraft] Dual PB filter

2008-07-30 Thread Brian Alsop

Just looked at what this Dual PB filter was doing with SPECTROGRAM.

Set up with a width of 600Hz and a 1.8 KHz roofing filter.  DPB off and on.

The 600 Hz alone has the normal filter passband shape. 
DPB on gives a narrower center filter less than 200 Hz wide and two 
augmented wings down about 30db filling out the rest of the normal 
filter passband.


This explains why DPB sounded quietern to one poster.  I suspect turning 
the K3 width setting to 200 Hz would have the same quieting effect.


73 de Brian/K3KO

David Wilburn wrote:

It has really saved the day on a couple of RTTY QSO's.  That is the 
only place I have used it.


David Wilburn
K4DGW


alsopb wrote:

Anybody out there playing with this feature or actually used it in a 
contest?  What are your experiences?


Playing with it yielded the following:.

1) Narrower CW filters can't be used (at least not my 400 Hz and 
narrower

filters).  The wings are outside the narrow filter passband.
2) For me that meant the 1.8KHz roofing filter was used.

It seems like that defeats the purpose of having a K3.  In a contest
situation, I would certainly like as many rock crusher signal outside 
the

roofing filter passband as possible.

It would suggest one might consider the 1 KHz roofing filter, if you 
want to

seriously use this option.

If there existed some intermediate (say 700Hz) or variable roofing 
filter, what would it's width have to be to include the wings and be 
used for dual

PB filtering?

de Brian/K3KO


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Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-30 Thread drewko1
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:58:27 -0700, Brett Howard wrote:

I understand that but I'm not so sure that both adjustment while hearing the
pitch and adjustment while hearing a signal is needed.  Why not just
adjustment while hearing sigs?



Brett,

You got me... if while adjusting the pitch we could hear the signal I
can't think of any reason to prefer the sidetone.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-30 Thread drewko1
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:16:16 -0700, Keith N1AS wrote:

I don't disagree at all Drew.  I would fancy having the RIT / XIT knob
operate as a CW Pitch control so one knob could vary all required
parameters in real time.  Until that day comes, I'm thinking I can get
most of the functionality using 2 knobs (RIT  Shift).  Actually, using
2 knobs makes me feel more like a real ham radio operator since I'm
actually using 2 knobs plus my brain to make an adjustment LOL!

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 - 


Well, Keith... the next thing you will be telling me is you prefer a
straight key or bug over a keyer... hee,hee.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-30 Thread Darwin, Keith
 

-Original Message-
Actually, using
2 knobs makes me feel more like a real ham radio operator since I'm 
actually using 2 knobs plus my brain to make an adjustment LOL!

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 -

Well, Keith... the next thing you will be telling me is you prefer a
straight key or bug over a keyer... hee,hee.
--

Awe, man, Drew, you've ratted me out!

If you look on my operating desk, you'll see a straight key hooked in
parallel with a bug.  My paddles are on a shelf in the same room but
safely tucked away in a zip lock bag to keep dust off.  My microphone is
... well, give me a few minutes ... I know I have one ... somewhere :-)

Your other point not needing to hear the sidetone to adjust pitch (just
do it using the RX signal) is a good one.  I think most times, adjusting
offset while listening to the receiver and just having the sidetone
pitch follow along would be just fine.  But, if some crazy OT has
decided to adjust RIT and SHIFT, then the received pitch will thrown
off.  Other than that, I think the idea is a grand one!

I guess if I had the choice between adjusting pitch only while hearing
the sidetone or only while hearing the received signal, I'd choose the
latter - assuming I still get the pitch readout in Hz during the
adjustment.

73 all!

- Keith N1AS -
- K3 711 - 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] New PowerSDR/IF K3 Video posted

2008-07-30 Thread Mike Scott



On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 23:47 -0400, Lee (WW2DX) wrote:
 
 If you have seen the new YouTube video I also posted a High-Def 
 version on my website.
 
 http://www.ww2dx.com/WW2DX/Radio_Movies/Entries/2008/7/29_HI-DEF_Power
 SDR_IF_Stage_K3_Demo_Part_II.html
 
 Hope you enjoy it, more to come.
 
 73 de Lee
 WW2DX



I get an error when trying to view this video in Windows XP: QuickTime files
are missing and unfortunately they are not available on the QuickTime site.
End result is audio and no video...

On the WW2DX site the link to the YouTube video is broken


Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
K3-100 #508/ KX1  #1311


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Re: [Elecraft] Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

2008-07-30 Thread Ed Steeble

Brett,

Thanks for reply. I have to disagree; it is a big deal. A year ago, 
using another rig we didn't realize that we had an open mike when wave 
files were being transmitted and got reports about the voices in the 
background. The team members were not talking loudly. We solved the 
problem with that rig, which we hope to replace with a second K3 for CQ 
WW SSB. We figured that Elecraft had to have solved this problem and the 
replies indicate that they have.


To others,
Thanks all for the replies and now to make some tests.

BTW we got great audio reports when using the K3.

73, Ed
K3IXD/C6AXD
C6APR team member

Brett Howard wrote:

You're probably still going to have a live mic during the transmitting
of a wave file but I don't see that as that big of a deal...

On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 21:49 -0400, Ed Steeble wrote:

Lyle,
Thanks I will check and see what version is loaded.
73, Ed
K3IXD

Lyle Johnson wrote:
...Reading the manual it appears that you can have audio input from 
ONLY the front panel, rear

panel, OR line in. The wave files were coming via the line in and the
mike via the Front panel. Did I over look something?
You can have either mic plus LINE input active at the same time.  See 
recent firmware release notes.


73,

Lyle KK7P


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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Side Tone Volume Control

2008-07-30 Thread J. W. (Dub) Thornton
I do not like the sidetone tracking the AF gain.  My vote would be 
give us the choice, or leave it as is.


Dub

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Release, Rev. 2.22

2008-07-30 Thread Steef PA2A

Press CONTROL-F5 to reload bypassing the internet cache files.

73 's Steef PA2A

- Original Message - 
From: Iain MacDonnell - K6IAM [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Guy, K2AV [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Release, Rev. 2.22





Lyle Johnson wrote on 07/29/08 17:30:

I'm still showing 2.19 at the beta site.  What am I doing wrong?


Refreshing your browser will usually fix this.  You might have to not be 
using the web site in frames mode to make this work (select no frames 
from the box on the left).


Or you could right-click on the frame in question and choose This
Frame - Reload Frame, or Refresh (depending on your browser).

~Iain

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Re: [Elecraft] Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

2008-07-30 Thread hank k8dd

Ed .

If you look at http://www.writelog.com/support/wlso2r.pdf it shows how to 
set up the mike for SSB contesting.   If you ignore the Left Rig and the 
W5XD Multi+ keyer and just look at the Right Rig and microphone setup you 
will see how to keep the audio from the other ops out of your mike.


In N1MM configurer you can select the line to mute when playing wav files. 
This is also mostly the Mic input.  Check 
http://pages.cthome.net/n1mm/html/English/BasicFunctions.htm#Recording_Wav_files 
for recording info.


I have found that if the MON level is turned up so you can hear yourself, 
with MIC + Line in you will get feedback when you activate PTT.  I'm 
assuming this will not happen if the mike is plugged into the sound card.


Also, if you want to record both TX and RX audio in the contest you have to 
select =PHONES.  This will send TX  RX audio to the sound card at a level 
controlled by the AF Gain control (NOT Line Out level) and possibly 
overdrive your sound card.


73HankK8DD



- Original Message - 
From: Ed Steeble [EMAIL PROTECTED]



I tried to use a K3 in the IOTA contest on SSB but ran into a problem.
I couldn't figure out how to satisfactory key the K3 with wave
files from N1MM Logger and also use a Heil Headset. Reading the manual it 
appears that you can have audio input from ONLY the front panel, rear

panel, OR line in. The wave files were coming via the line in and the
mike via the Front panel. Did I over look something?

A fellow team member and I considered paralleling the mike and sound
card input but we didn't want a live mike while wave files were playing.
The Elecraft web site says that their digital voice recorder (KDVR3) is
not yet shipping. For now, does this mean that that I have to use my
MFJ voice keyer (configured for a Kenwood radio) if I want audio files AND 
mike capabilities?


When using a K3, how are others handling SSB contests?

73, Ed
K3IXD 


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Re: [Elecraft] Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

2008-07-30 Thread Stewart Baker
It would be nice to have a LINE OUT setting something like =TX/RX
where both the received audio and the transmitted audio were
available at a preset (independent of volume control) level.
It would be very useful in contests to record both sides of a
contact CW or SSB.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:07:35 -0400, hank  k8dd wrote:
 Ed .

 If you look at http://www.writelog.com/support/wlso2r.pdf it
shows how to
 set up the mike for SSB contesting.   If you ignore the Left Rig
and the
 W5XD Multi+ keyer and just look at the Right Rig and microphone
setup you
 will see how to keep the audio from the other ops out of your
mike.

 In N1MM configurer you can select the line to mute when playing
wav files.
 This is also mostly the Mic input.  Check
 http://pages.cthome.net/n1mm/html/English/BasicFunctions.htm#Rec
ording_Wav_files
 for recording info.

 I have found that if the MON level is turned up so you can hear
yourself,
 with MIC + Line in you will get feedback when you activate PTT.
 I'm
 assuming this will not happen if the mike is plugged into the
sound card.

 Also, if you want to record both TX and RX audio in the contest
you have to
 select =PHONES.  This will send TX  RX audio to the sound card
at a level
 controlled by the AF Gain control (NOT Line Out level) and
possibly
 overdrive your sound card.

 73HankK8DD


 - Original Message -
 From: Ed Steeble [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I tried to use a K3 in the IOTA contest on SSB but ran into a
problem.
 I couldn't figure out how to satisfactory key the K3 with wave
 files from N1MM Logger and also use a Heil Headset. Reading the
manual it
 appears that you can have audio input from ONLY the front
panel, rear
 panel, OR line in. The wave files were coming via the line in
and the
 mike via the Front panel. Did I over look something?

 A fellow team member and I considered paralleling the mike and
sound
 card input but we didn't want a live mike while wave files were
playing.
 The Elecraft web site says that their digital voice recorder
(KDVR3) is
 not yet shipping. For now, does this mean that that I have to
use my
 MFJ voice keyer (configured for a Kenwood radio) if I want
audio files AND
 mike capabilities?

 When using a K3, how are others handling SSB contests?

 73, Ed
 K3IXD

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Re: [Elecraft] Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

2008-07-30 Thread hank k8dd

Yes it would!

- Original Message - 
From: Stewart Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]



It would be nice to have a LINE OUT setting something like =TX/RX
where both the received audio and the transmitted audio were
available at a preset (independent of volume control) level.
It would be very useful in contests to record both sides of a
contact CW or SSB.

73
Stewart G3RXQ


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: new demo video with LP-PAN panadapter and powerSDR

2008-07-30 Thread WA6L


The LP-Bridge software is now available, and that provides an extremely
powerful environment for the K3 and the panadapter.  For example, you can
now run CW Skimmer and Writelog at the same time and have them share access
to the K3.  

Another example is to use your logging program (I use DXLab) together with
PowerSDR and your K3.  The LP-Bridge software allows you to share the serial
port and work seamlessly:  Click on a signal in PowerSDR and it changes the
frequency on both the K3 and the logging software.

It's a new world out there!

John, WA6L



k6te Wim wrote:
 
 There's a new youtube video demoing the K3 with LP-PAN panadapter
 and the powerSDR software .. it's looking like they work well together
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tjKQ1g4X0I
 
 enjoy
 - Wim
 

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] New PowerSDR/IF K3 Video posted

2008-07-30 Thread Lee (WW2DX)


On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Mike Scott wrote:





On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 23:47 -0400, Lee (WW2DX) wrote:


If you have seen the new YouTube video I also posted a High-Def
version on my website.

http://www.ww2dx.com/WW2DX/Radio_Movies/Entries/2008/7/29_HI- 
DEF_Power

SDR_IF_Stage_K3_Demo_Part_II.html

Hope you enjoy it, more to come.

73 de Lee
WW2DX




I get an error when trying to view this video in Windows XP:  
QuickTime files
are missing and unfortunately they are not available on the  
QuickTime site.

End result is audio and no video...


You will most likely need Apple's Quicktime player installed.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/




On the WW2DX site the link to the YouTube video is broken


Yes, looks like youtube does not allow direct linking. I have embedded  
the video on that page.



73 Lee
WW2DX





Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
K3-100 #508/ KX1  #1311


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[Elecraft] [K3] #1361 just arrived!

2008-07-30 Thread Bill W4ZV

I originally ordered my second K3 in September but asked for it to be held
until both the KRX3 (ordered May 1 last year) and KDVR3 were available so I
could build a new unit from scratch with all options.  EI6IZ's diversity
recordings and comments finally got to me and I couldn't stand it any
longer, so I asked for delivery sans KDVR3.  I'm now thinking I may cancel
the KDVR3 in lieu of using the internal DVK in N1MM for 10m contests, which
is about the only time I use SSB nowadays.

I decided to take my chances with XFIL offsets (i.e. by not ordering them
matched).  Apparently I lucked out:

MAIN:  2.7k  -.84 500  -.78
KRX3:  2.7k  -.81 500  -.78

I'll split the difference on the 2.7k filters at -.82 or -.83 (after
carefully measuring both) and the 500s are good as is.  Just for interest,
here are my offsets for #111:

2.7k  -.97500  -.79200  -0.90 

I'll move the 200 to the new unit but not use it in diversity mode, and I
may add a KAT3 to my older unit to use it for portable/expedition use.

Now I've got work to do!

73,  Bill
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RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread Ed Muns
 the Elecraft reflector), so I saw little need.  However, the 
 LP-Pan is on my list.

Apparently, the LP-Pan is popular.  I just received LP-Pan numbers 173  174
which is about 15% of K3 shipments at the time I ordered it.

73,
Ed - W0YK

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RE: [Elecraft] Dual PB filter

2008-07-30 Thread Ed Muns
Two different filters although both are activated by the DUAL PB
hold-button, depending on MODE.  In RTTY it is the Dual-Tone Filter, two 50
Hz DSP filters spaced 170 Hz apart.  In CW, it is a two level filter with
two widths, 150 Hz and 600 Hz as I recall.  The passband of the 600 Hz
filter is 20 dB down which provides the skirts to hear nearby signals
without having them dominate the signal(s) you focus on in the 150 Hz
filter.

As for the choice of roofing filter, it needs to be wider than 600 Hz.  So,
yes, a 700 Hz crystal filter would give the most DSP protection from strong
signals outside the 600 Hz bandwidth. 

73,
Ed - W0YK

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Wilburn
 Sent: Wednesday, 30 July, 2008 05:37
 To: Elecraft Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dual PB filter
 
 It has really saved the day on a couple of RTTY QSO's.  That 
 is the only place I have used it.
 
 David Wilburn
 K4DGW
 
 
 alsopb wrote:
  Anybody out there playing with this feature or actually 
 used it in a contest?  
  What are your experiences?
  
  Playing with it yielded the following:.
  
  1) Narrower CW filters can't be used (at least not my 400 Hz and 
  narrower filters).  The wings are outside the narrow filter 
 passband.
  2) For me that meant the 1.8KHz roofing filter was used.
  
  It seems like that defeats the purpose of having a K3.  In 
 a contest 
  situation, I would certainly like as many rock crusher 
 signal outside 
  the roofing filter passband as possible.
  
  It would suggest one might consider the 1 KHz roofing 
 filter, if you 
  want to seriously use this option.
  
  If there existed some intermediate (say 700Hz) or variable roofing 
  filter, what would it's width have to be to include the 
 wings and be 
  used for dual PB filtering?
  
  de Brian/K3KO
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
I got K3 #22, and LP-Pan #23- now to find the time to do something
with them.  

73, doug

   From: Ed Muns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:34:20 -0700

the Elecraft reflector), so I saw little need.  However, the 
LP-Pan is on my list.

   Apparently, the LP-Pan is popular.  I just received LP-Pan numbers 173  174
   which is about 15% of K3 shipments at the time I ordered it.

   73,
   Ed - W0YK
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: KRX3 Shipping?

2008-07-30 Thread Geoffrey Downs
Heard from Katie today, so yesterday I wrote truer than I knew! Same message 
as others who have posted i.e 1-2 weeks.


73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK

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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: KRX3 Shipping?


Nothing heard yet here Jerry. Mine was ordered 11May 2007. I have K3 S/N 
266. Probably won't be long now.


73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK

- Original Message - 
From: Jerry T. Dowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Is anyone receiving their KRX3s? My order has been in for over 13 months,
but no sign of it yet! The S/N of my K3 is 467.


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[Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-30 Thread John Klewer
Note that I installed this preamplifier in the RX IN/OUT path on the K3 
rear panel





To enhance the 6 meter performance of my K3 I built the U310 
preamplifier as described on N6CA's website:


http://www.ham-radio.com/n6ca/50MHz/50appnotes/U310.html

Tuned up on an HP8970A noise figure meter it gives 11.2 dB gain and 
NF=1.3 dB.


The receiver's performance on weak signals was significantly improved. 
I already had the parts but cost should not exceed $30.00 to duplicate 
this preamphard to beat.


I have not done measurements on the radio/preamp combination to 
determine any negative effect on the receiver performance but the K3, 
which always performed well in the presence of strong signals, 
continues to do so.



John, N6AX

K3 #567


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread GW0ETF


DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
 
 RE:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tjKQ1g4X0I
 
 Great video and demo.
 .
 After viewing the video, I am happier than ever that I didn't get the
 KRX3, so this alternative will be more than good enough for the
 extremely rare occasion (for me) when I'd like to use a sub-receiver.
 
 de Doug KR2Q
 
 

Am I correct in assuming that the LP-Pan/PowerSDR combo will give you second
receive but *only* within the IF passband of the K3, whatever that may be.

The hardware KRX3 will have no restrictions like that and eventually allow
cross band dual rx too. Can't wait!

73, 

Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF (K3 145)
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[Elecraft] K3 Utility for Mac and Linux - update

2008-07-30 Thread David Fleming
I've fixed a couple of problems in the Mac and Linux versions of the K3 
Utility. This should take care of the crashing issues some folks have 
reported. The new files are now on the Elecraft web site. I've left the version 
number at 1.1.6.3 to stay in sync with the Windows version. All Mac and Linux 
users should download the new files if you haven't already done so. 

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

NOTE: This pertains only to the Mac and Linux versions. The Windows version is 
not affected. 

Tnx  73,

David, W4SMT


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[Elecraft] New K3 Owners Manual

2008-07-30 Thread mmaseda

There is a new version of the K3 owners manual on the Elecraft website.

Manuel  W4SSB
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Yes. Actually only withing the bandwidth of the sound card, which is 
much less than the K3's IF bandwidth pre-crystal filter.


Also, the hardware KRX3 also has much better dynamic range than the PC 
based SDR approach. On the order of 30 dB or more for blocking dynamic 
range than the sound card based SDR RX. For anything besides casual use 
this is significant.


On the other hand, the combination of PowerSDR and the K3 -with- the 
KRX3 sub RX, is outstanding. It fully integrates with the KRX3's main 
and sub RX frequency on its panoramic display.


73, Eric  WA6HHQ


GW0ETF wrote:


Am I correct in assuming that the LP-Pan/PowerSDR combo will give you second
receive but *only* within the IF passband of the K3, whatever that may be.

The hardware KRX3 will have no restrictions like that and eventually allow
cross band dual rx too. Can't wait!

73, 
Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF (K3 145)
  

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-30 Thread Bob Tellefsen
Hi John
I've been looking at this circuit for some time.
I have a number of J310s, but no U310s.
Do you know whether they are the same
animal, just in different casings?
73, Bob N6WG

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Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp


 Note that I installed this preamplifier in the RX IN/OUT path on the
K3
 rear panel




  To enhance the 6 meter performance of my K3 I built the U310
  preamplifier as described on N6CA's website:
 
  http://www.ham-radio.com/n6ca/50MHz/50appnotes/U310.html
 
  Tuned up on an HP8970A noise figure meter it gives 11.2 dB gain
and
  NF=1.3 dB.
 
  The receiver's performance on weak signals was significantly
improved.
  I already had the parts but cost should not exceed $30.00 to
duplicate
  this preamphard to beat.
 
  I have not done measurements on the radio/preamp combination to
  determine any negative effect on the receiver performance but the
K3,
  which always performed well in the presence of strong signals,
  continues to do so.
 
 
  John, N6AX
 
  K3 #567
 
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[Elecraft] New K3 Manual

2008-07-30 Thread Don Rasmussen
Great job guys - filled in the new CONFIG table and a
fine index to boot. vy Fb... 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread Vic K2VCO

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

On the other hand, the combination of PowerSDR and the K3 -with- the 
KRX3 sub RX, is outstanding. It fully integrates with the KRX3's main 
and sub RX frequency on its panoramic display.


Eric,
Can you tell us where to find an explanation of how to configure the K3 
and KRX3 with PowerSDR to do this?

--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-30 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bob,

While I cannot speak from my own measurements, but in EMRFD, Wes Hayward 
recommends the U310s for VHF/UHF rather than the J310.  The case of the 
U310 is connected to the gate, and when used in a grounded gate 
configuration, the case can be mounted (upside down) into a hole in the 
PC board, and I believe that alone should provide better input to output 
isolation.  The Vishay data sheet indicates a slightly lower noise 
figure for the U310.


I would suggest that you try the J310s.  If you find them lacking, it 
should be easy to change to U310s, I would guess that at 50 MHz, it may 
be a 'toss-up' decision.


73,
Don W3FPR

Bob Tellefsen wrote:

Hi John
I've been looking at this circuit for some time.
I have a number of J310s, but no U310s.
Do you know whether they are the same
animal, just in different casings?
73, Bob N6WG
  


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[Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Eric said,
[snip]
Also, the hardware KRX3 also has much better dynamic range than the PC
based SDR approach. On the order of 30 dB or more for blocking dynamic
range than the sound card based SDR RX. For anything besides casual use
this is significant.
[end snip]

And Doug, KR2Q originally posted,
[snip]
After viewing the video, I am happier than ever that I didn't get the
KRX3, so this alternative will be more than good enough for the
extremely rare occasion (for me) when I'd like to use a sub-receiver.
Of course, I can always use my 2nd K3.  ;-)
[end snip]

Yup...we're on the same page!

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-30 Thread Jack Smith

Don:

The U310's are not too easy to find these days. Vishay seems to be the 
most common (only?) new production supplier and the one-off price is 
about $14 from Mouser or Arrow.  Digikey, Allied and Newark only stock 
the SOT23 plastic surface mount version. TO-92 plastic case parts, the 
J310, are around 25 cents each. The U310 and J310 are supposed to have 
the same die, so differences should be attributed to the case, but who 
knows what goes inside the package these days, particularly if it is 
from China.


If I were building a pre-amp based upon a U310, I would start with a 
J310 and get it thoroughly debugged before experimenting with U310's at 
$14 a pop.


It's something like the 40673 dual gate FET - once ubiquitous and now 
difficult to find and expensive when found.



Jack K8ZOA

Don Wilhelm wrote:

Bob,

While I cannot speak from my own measurements, but in EMRFD, Wes 
Hayward recommends the U310s for VHF/UHF rather than the J310.  The 
case of the U310 is connected to the gate, and when used in a grounded 
gate configuration, the case can be mounted (upside down) into a hole 
in the PC board, and I believe that alone should provide better input 
to output isolation.  The Vishay data sheet indicates a slightly lower 
noise figure for the U310.


I would suggest that you try the J310s.  If you find them lacking, it 
should be easy to change to U310s, I would guess that at 50 MHz, it 
may be a 'toss-up' decision.


73,
Don W3FPR

Bob Tellefsen wrote:

Hi John
I've been looking at this circuit for some time.
I have a number of J310s, but no U310s.
Do you know whether they are the same
animal, just in different casings?
73, Bob N6WG
 

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[Elecraft] K3 ATU

2008-07-30 Thread Chris G3SJJ
Does anyone have any figures on efficiency of KAT3 for load impedances 
of 20 and 200 ohms? (reactance not known at this stage.)


Chris G3SJJ

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-30 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jack,

I understand the vanishing part syndrome.  I have a few remaining in my 
parts bin, and I am not about to give them up (similar feelings about my 
dual gate MOSFETs).


As an alternative to the U310, when laying out a PC board (or Manhatten 
construction board), one might consider the SMD version of the 
J310/U310.  It should be at least as good as the U310 and likely 
better.  A nice clean layout is critical to performance in a VHF/UHF 
amplifier.  A carrier board may be needed for Manhatten construction, 
but for 3 legged devices, a carrier board is simplicity itself - just a 
tiny scrap of rectangular PC board with the copper cut in half along the 
length and one of the remaining long rectangles cut in half across its 
width.  Caution - cut the copper on the corner of a larger piece of PC 
board and then cut out the result as the 'final act' - attempting to cut 
through the copper on a tiny board can result in injury to the fingers 
and hands.  With the demise of thru-hole parts and the advent af 
inexpensive SMD parts, we hams will have to learn how to deal with these 
tiny devices if we are to continue homebrewing and experimenting efforts 
at a reasonable price.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jack Smith wrote:

Don:

The U310's are not too easy to find these days. Vishay seems to be the 
most common (only?) new production supplier and the one-off price is 
about $14 from Mouser or Arrow.  Digikey, Allied and Newark only stock 
the SOT23 plastic surface mount version. TO-92 plastic case parts, the 
J310, are around 25 cents each. The U310 and J310 are supposed to have 
the same die, so differences should be attributed to the case, but who 
knows what goes inside the package these days, particularly if it is 
from China.


If I were building a pre-amp based upon a U310, I would start with a 
J310 and get it thoroughly debugged before experimenting with U310's 
at $14 a pop.


It's something like the 40673 dual gate FET - once ubiquitous and now 
difficult to find and expensive when found.



Jack K8ZOA


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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-30 Thread Jack Colson

I personally would use a MGF-1302.

73
Jack, W3TMZ

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp



Don:

The U310's are not too easy to find these days. Vishay seems to be the 
most common (only?) new production supplier and the one-off price is 
about $14 from Mouser or Arrow.  Digikey, Allied and Newark only stock 
the SOT23 plastic surface mount version. TO-92 plastic case parts, the 
J310, are around 25 cents each. The U310 and J310 are supposed to have 
the same die, so differences should be attributed to the case, but who 
knows what goes inside the package these days, particularly if it is 
from China.


If I were building a pre-amp based upon a U310, I would start with a 
J310 and get it thoroughly debugged before experimenting with U310's 
at $14 a pop.


It's something like the 40673 dual gate FET - once ubiquitous and now 
difficult to find and expensive when found.



Jack K8ZOA

Don Wilhelm wrote:

Bob,

While I cannot speak from my own measurements, but in EMRFD, Wes 
Hayward recommends the U310s for VHF/UHF rather than the J310.  The 
case of the U310 is connected to the gate, and when used in a 
grounded gate configuration, the case can be mounted (upside down) 
into a hole in the PC board, and I believe that alone should provide 
better input to output isolation.  The Vishay data sheet indicates a 
slightly lower noise figure for the U310.


I would suggest that you try the J310s.  If you find them lacking, it 
should be easy to change to U310s, I would guess that at 50 MHz, it 
may be a 'toss-up' decision.


73,
Don W3FPR

Bob Tellefsen wrote:

Hi John
I've been looking at this circuit for some time.
I have a number of J310s, but no U310s.
Do you know whether they are the same
animal, just in different casings?
73, Bob N6WG


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RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread Brett Howard
I don't see how it's possible?  Wouldn't you need two IF outputs?

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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

 On the other hand, the combination of PowerSDR and the K3 -with- the 
 KRX3 sub RX, is outstanding. It fully integrates with the KRX3's main 
 and sub RX frequency on its panoramic display.

Eric,
Can you tell us where to find an explanation of how to configure the K3 
and KRX3 with PowerSDR to do this?
-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ATU

2008-07-30 Thread Don Wilhelm

Chris,

The KAT3 (like other Elecraft tuners) is an L network type tuner, and 
should provide good efficiency.  For your particular situation, I 
suggest that you use something like the TLW application (from 
www.arrl.org) and calculate the L network configuration needed for your 
impedance range.  TLW will also give you efficiency numbers.  The 'fact 
of life' that deals with added loss due to signal routing on the PC 
board should be minimal, but if you add 5 or 10% additional loss to 
account for the physical mounting of the components, you should be 'in 
the ballpark'.


Yes, you will have to know the reactance before you can obtain the 
really correct answer.  L network tuners are generally more efficient 
than the common Tee type tuners, but I am generalizing here, and 
exceptions are always present.  The PI network is typically efficient 
too, but the output capacity required becomes very large at low 
impedances.  If you want real efficiency, consider a link coupled tuner 
(like the Johnson Matchbox), but you sacrifice convenience for improved 
efficiency figures - the link coupled tuner does not lend itself well to 
bandswitching or to an auto-tuning application except over a very 
limited range (one ham band or less).


73,
Don W3FPR

Chris G3SJJ wrote:
Does anyone have any figures on efficiency of KAT3 for load impedances 
of 20 and 200 ohms? (reactance not known at this stage.)


Chris G3SJJ


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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-30 Thread Jack Smith
I'm using J310 parts in a VLF-LF-MF-HF active antenna design I'm working 
on, no need to go to the U310 version at those frequencies.


I've found best intermodulaton performance in the active antenna 
requires 25 - 35 mA idle current with 8-10 volts source-drain, so 
there's some advantage in rated dissipation with the U310 part.


Another used-to-be-common part is a 2.5 mH RF choke, pi wound on a 
ceramic form. After a lengthy search, I found Hammond still makes these, 
only to learn that they were discontinued earlier this year. I managed 
to get one (at a price of $14) and it's good that I only needed one to 
use as a comparison reference for a QEX article I'm working on.


Jack


Don Wilhelm wrote:

Jack,

I understand the vanishing part syndrome.  I have a few remaining in 
my parts bin, and I am not about to give them up (similar feelings 
about my dual gate MOSFETs).


As an alternative to the U310, when laying out a PC board (or 
Manhatten construction board), one might consider the SMD version of 
the J310/U310.  It should be at least as good as the U310 and likely 
better.  A nice clean layout is critical to performance in a VHF/UHF 
amplifier.  A carrier board may be needed for Manhatten construction, 
but for 3 legged devices, a carrier board is simplicity itself - just 
a tiny scrap of rectangular PC board with the copper cut in half along 
the length and one of the remaining long rectangles cut in half across 
its width.  Caution - cut the copper on the corner of a larger piece 
of PC board and then cut out the result as the 'final act' - 
attempting to cut through the copper on a tiny board can result in 
injury to the fingers and hands.  With the demise of thru-hole parts 
and the advent af inexpensive SMD parts, we hams will have to learn 
how to deal with these tiny devices if we are to continue homebrewing 
and experimenting efforts at a reasonable price.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jack Smith wrote:

Don:

The U310's are not too easy to find these days. Vishay seems to be 
the most common (only?) new production supplier and the one-off price 
is about $14 from Mouser or Arrow.  Digikey, Allied and Newark only 
stock the SOT23 plastic surface mount version. TO-92 plastic case 
parts, the J310, are around 25 cents each. The U310 and J310 are 
supposed to have the same die, so differences should be attributed to 
the case, but who knows what goes inside the package these days, 
particularly if it is from China.


If I were building a pre-amp based upon a U310, I would start with a 
J310 and get it thoroughly debugged before experimenting with U310's 
at $14 a pop.


It's something like the 40673 dual gate FET - once ubiquitous and now 
difficult to find and expensive when found.



Jack K8ZOA


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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-30 Thread Bob Tellefsen
Don't think I've seen that kind of model number before, Jack.
What is it and who makes it?
Thanks and 73
Bob N6WG

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 I personally would use a MGF-1302.

 73
 Jack, W3TMZ

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 6m pre-amp


  Don:
 
  The U310's are not too easy to find these days. Vishay seems to be
the
  most common (only?) new production supplier and the one-off price
is
  about $14 from Mouser or Arrow.  Digikey, Allied and Newark only
stock
  the SOT23 plastic surface mount version. TO-92 plastic case parts,
the
  J310, are around 25 cents each. The U310 and J310 are supposed to
have
  the same die, so differences should be attributed to the case, but
who
  knows what goes inside the package these days, particularly if it
is
  from China.
 
  If I were building a pre-amp based upon a U310, I would start with
a
  J310 and get it thoroughly debugged before experimenting with
U310's
  at $14 a pop.
 
  It's something like the 40673 dual gate FET - once ubiquitous and
now
  difficult to find and expensive when found.
 
 
  Jack K8ZOA
 
  Don Wilhelm wrote:
  Bob,
 
  While I cannot speak from my own measurements, but in EMRFD, Wes
  Hayward recommends the U310s for VHF/UHF rather than the J310.
The
  case of the U310 is connected to the gate, and when used in a
  grounded gate configuration, the case can be mounted (upside
down)
  into a hole in the PC board, and I believe that alone should
provide
  better input to output isolation.  The Vishay data sheet
indicates a
  slightly lower noise figure for the U310.
 
  I would suggest that you try the J310s.  If you find them
lacking, it
  should be easy to change to U310s, I would guess that at 50 MHz,
it
  may be a 'toss-up' decision.
 
  73,
  Don W3FPR
 
  Bob Tellefsen wrote:
  Hi John
  I've been looking at this circuit for some time.
  I have a number of J310s, but no U310s.
  Do you know whether they are the same
  animal, just in different casings?
  73, Bob N6WG
 
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Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-30 Thread K7TV

Try Antique Electronic Supply (www.tubesandmore.com).
Their 2.5 mH is good for 160 mA, made by Hammond,
core material is ferrite, 3 pi-windings, diameter 0.469, price 
$3.95.

Erik K7TV


Another used-to-be-common part is a 2.5 mH RF choke, pi wound on a 
ceramic form. After a lengthy search, I found Hammond still makes these, 
only to learn that they were discontinued earlier this year. I managed 
to get one (at a price of $14) and it's good that I only needed one to 
use as a comparison reference for a QEX article I'm working on.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 6m pre-amp

2008-07-30 Thread Jack Smith
Yes, I have several ferrite core 2.5 mH chokes here, including the 
Hammond one you mention. There's a significant difference in high 
frequency performance of the pi wound on ceramic form versus the smaller 
pi-wound over ferrite and that's one of the things I'm hoping to 
illustrate in the article. Hence, I needed a genuine 2.5 mH National 
Radio style choke.


Jack


K7TV wrote:

Try Antique Electronic Supply (www.tubesandmore.com).
Their 2.5 mH is good for 160 mA, made by Hammond,
core material is ferrite, 3 pi-windings, diameter 0.469, price 
$3.95.


Erik K7TV


  
Another used-to-be-common part is a 2.5 mH RF choke, pi wound on a 
ceramic form. After a lengthy search, I found Hammond still makes these, 
only to learn that they were discontinued earlier this year. I managed 
to get one (at a price of $14) and it's good that I only needed one to 
use as a comparison reference for a QEX article I'm working on.




  

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[Elecraft] RF pi-wound RF chokes

2008-07-30 Thread Ken Kopp
Good grief ... why us old poops hoard stuff ... I have a cigar box 
of 'em!  Come to think of it, having cigar boxes dates me.  (:-))


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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K3 #56
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RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread Alan Bloom
I don't have a KRX3 (yet) but I believe LP-Pan connects to the main
receiver IF output only and simply indicates on the display where the
sub-receiver is tuned (if it is within the bandwidth of the display).

Al N1AL


On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 16:38, Brett Howard wrote:
 I don't see how it's possible?  Wouldn't you need two IF outputs?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vic K2VCO
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:04 PM
 To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
 Cc: Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR
 
 Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
 
  On the other hand, the combination of PowerSDR and the K3 -with- the 
  KRX3 sub RX, is outstanding. It fully integrates with the KRX3's main 
  and sub RX frequency on its panoramic display.
 
 Eric,
 Can you tell us where to find an explanation of how to configure the K3 
 and KRX3 with PowerSDR to do this?

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[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft CW Net

2008-07-30 Thread Kevin Rock
Hello Petr,
   Two weeks ago we did have someone from France check in but it has been a 
while since we have heard anyone so distant.  You may want to try calling your 
own net to get people interested in Europe.  If you like you can find my 
scripts on this website: http://ecn.visionseer.com/  Please post your list of 
check ins on the Elecraft Reflector for us all to read.  I would be very 
interested in reading your report.  Feel free to run your own net and call it 
ECN until that day when we can hook up directly.  You may wish to modify the 
times and frequencies to better fit your locale.  Thank you very much for your 
email.
   73,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS



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Sent: Jul 30, 2008 5:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Elecraft CW Net

Kevin,

I would like to ask You how can I join Your Elecraft CW Net from OK land
with my K3/100 and when please.
I will have vertical and inverted Vee antenna available.

Thank You for info,

73, Petr OK1RP
(Sierra Wilderness, K1, K2, K3/100 owner)
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[Elecraft] K3 KXV3 IF Output Level?

2008-07-30 Thread Don Ehrlich
The new KXV3 is installed, the KXV3 is enabled and calibrated as directed by 
the instructions.


The 2nd antenna input works as expected but my oscilloscope shows no signal 
(5 mV) coming from the IF Output on the KXV3.  What IF signal level should 
I be seeing?


Don K7FJ 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KXV3 IF Output Level?

2008-07-30 Thread Lyle Johnson
The 2nd antenna input works as expected but my oscilloscope shows no 
signal (5 mV) coming from the IF Output on the KXV3.  What IF signal 
level should I be seeing?


It will be about the same level as at the antenna, or perhaps less, 
depending on settings of PRE, ATT, etc.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread Brett Howard
You see then I don't understand how the KRX3 adds much to the PowerSDR
experience (unless you're only using the PowerSDR as a bit of a control
head and you're doing the listening on the K3).  But then the filters
and what not I thought were only controlling filters in the PowerSDR
software as they weren't changing the filter setups in the K3.  What am
I missing here?


On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:43 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote:
 I don't have a KRX3 (yet) but I believe LP-Pan connects to the main
 receiver IF output only and simply indicates on the display where the
 sub-receiver is tuned (if it is within the bandwidth of the display).
 
 Al N1AL
 
 
 On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 16:38, Brett Howard wrote:
  I don't see how it's possible?  Wouldn't you need two IF outputs?
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vic K2VCO
  Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:04 PM
  To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
  Cc: Elecraft Reflector
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR
  
  Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
  
   On the other hand, the combination of PowerSDR and the K3 -with- the 
   KRX3 sub RX, is outstanding. It fully integrates with the KRX3's main 
   and sub RX frequency on its panoramic display.
  
  Eric,
  Can you tell us where to find an explanation of how to configure the K3 
  and KRX3 with PowerSDR to do this?
 

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[Elecraft] Problems with K3 KXV3 IF Output Level?

2008-07-30 Thread Fern Rivard
Good evening Lyle:

I honestly don't know where you're getting those levels from as I already 
reported to you back in April/08 that the levels at the I F output were pretty 
well non existent. There is just no tracking of levels at the I F out with what 
is fed into the antenna input of the receiver. I even used a 15 db amplifier 
from Jack Smith of Clifton Laboratories without any luck as there is simply no 
levels to play with there. I believe that Jack Smith also queried you about 
that without getting a proper reply as yet from you. I realize that nobody is 
perfect but why are we dogging a proper reply and/or fix for that?
Fern with K3  #412



- Original Message - 
From: Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Don Ehrlich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KXV3 IF Output Level?


 The 2nd antenna input works as expected but my oscilloscope shows no 
 signal (5 mV) coming from the IF Output on the KXV3.  What IF signal 
 level should I be seeing?

It will be about the same level as at the antenna, or perhaps less, 
depending on settings of PRE, ATT, etc.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread Alan Bloom
The IF output from the K3 is after the mixer but before the crystal
filters.  So one advantage of using the KRX3 is that you get much better
dynamic range due to the crystal filters.  It probably doesn't matter
much for casual listening but for contesting and DXing the KRX3 would
have much better performance.

However, it sounds like the PowerSDR receiver would make a nice
spotting receiver, just to get an idea of what is going on on a
frequency.

The ultimate DX station would have a K3, KRX3 and PowerSDR.  The main
receiver is on the frequency of the DX station you are listening to, the
sub-receiver is on the pileup frequency, and the software receiver is
available to quickly check out any other interesting pileups you notice
on the panadapter.

Al N1AL


On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 20:38, Brett Howard wrote:
 You see then I don't understand how the KRX3 adds much to the PowerSDR
 experience (unless you're only using the PowerSDR as a bit of a control
 head and you're doing the listening on the K3).  But then the filters
 and what not I thought were only controlling filters in the PowerSDR
 software as they weren't changing the filter setups in the K3.  What am
 I missing here?
 
 
 On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:43 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote:
  I don't have a KRX3 (yet) but I believe LP-Pan connects to the main
  receiver IF output only and simply indicates on the display where the
  sub-receiver is tuned (if it is within the bandwidth of the display).
  
  Al N1AL
  
  
  On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 16:38, Brett Howard wrote:
   I don't see how it's possible?  Wouldn't you need two IF outputs?
   
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vic K2VCO
   Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:04 PM
   To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
   Cc: Elecraft Reflector
   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR
   
   Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
   
On the other hand, the combination of PowerSDR and the K3 -with- the 
KRX3 sub RX, is outstanding. It fully integrates with the KRX3's main 
and sub RX frequency on its panoramic display.
   
   Eric,
   Can you tell us where to find an explanation of how to configure the K3 
   and KRX3 with PowerSDR to do this?
  

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

2008-07-30 Thread Brett Howard
The part that confuses me is the mention that [PowerSDR] fully
integrates with the KRX3's main and sub RX frequenciy on its panoramic
display.  

Thats what it does now.  But in order for the KRX3 to actually be adding
anything you'd have to be listening to its output with the full K3
filter chain.  Cause you're not going to correct the dynamic range
problems unless you're doing that.  

Then I don't see how it could allow you to be more than 192KHz/2 away
from your main center freq as you'd have to have two sound cards and two
IF outputs in order to pull that off.  I guess I don't really see a
SubRX adding much to the PowerSDR setup unless you use one RX as a
spotter and the other as simply a K3.  I think that 2 K3's would be a
better setup for that.

I see the subRX in the K3 as a way to make the K3 a better unit as a
standalone unit.  Which I think is one thing that the K3 does really
well especially since you can make RTTY/PSK contacts with just a K3
sitting on your desk and nothing else.  You can also run it as a contest
station for both CW and SSB (once the DVR is out).  I find it quite fun
how much one can get done without the need to interface it to a
computer.  Now don't get me wrong I'm a total computer guy and I find it
even cooler that while it does all this stuff to not require you to have
a computer it also makes is SOOO easy to interface to one when you
decide you want to.  

So I guess all in all color me happy yet still confused as to the KRX3
adding much to a powerSDR setup.

On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 20:56 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote:
 The IF output from the K3 is after the mixer but before the crystal
 filters.  So one advantage of using the KRX3 is that you get much better
 dynamic range due to the crystal filters.  It probably doesn't matter
 much for casual listening but for contesting and DXing the KRX3 would
 have much better performance.
 
 However, it sounds like the PowerSDR receiver would make a nice
 spotting receiver, just to get an idea of what is going on on a
 frequency.
 
 The ultimate DX station would have a K3, KRX3 and PowerSDR.  The main
 receiver is on the frequency of the DX station you are listening to, the
 sub-receiver is on the pileup frequency, and the software receiver is
 available to quickly check out any other interesting pileups you notice
 on the panadapter.
 
 Al N1AL
 
 
 On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 20:38, Brett Howard wrote:
  You see then I don't understand how the KRX3 adds much to the PowerSDR
  experience (unless you're only using the PowerSDR as a bit of a control
  head and you're doing the listening on the K3).  But then the filters
  and what not I thought were only controlling filters in the PowerSDR
  software as they weren't changing the filter setups in the K3.  What am
  I missing here?
  
  
  On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:43 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote:
   I don't have a KRX3 (yet) but I believe LP-Pan connects to the main
   receiver IF output only and simply indicates on the display where the
   sub-receiver is tuned (if it is within the bandwidth of the display).
   
   Al N1AL
   
   
   On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 16:38, Brett Howard wrote:
I don't see how it's possible?  Wouldn't you need two IF outputs?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vic K2VCO
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: pseudo KRX3 free via LP-Pan+Power SDR

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

 On the other hand, the combination of PowerSDR and the K3 -with- the 
 KRX3 sub RX, is outstanding. It fully integrates with the KRX3's main 
 and sub RX frequency on its panoramic display.

Eric,
Can you tell us where to find an explanation of how to configure the K3 
and KRX3 with PowerSDR to do this?
   
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Using Voice Files along with Mike Input on a K3

2008-07-30 Thread Chad WE9V
I completely agree.

I was excited when I saw a recent release note that said that TX audio
would be available on the LINE OUT connector, but then was
disappointed to read further when it said it was controlled with the
front panel volume control and not at a fixed level.

Can we PLEASE get this to a fixed level so that we can record both
sides of the QSO without worrying about the FP volume control, and so
that it also works with digital modes (RTTY, JT6M, etc) correctly?

Chad WE9V

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Stewart Baker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It would be nice to have a LINE OUT setting something like =TX/RX
 where both the received audio and the transmitted audio were
 available at a preset (independent of volume control) level.
 It would be very useful in contests to record both sides of a
 contact CW or SSB.

 73
 Stewart G3RXQ
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