Re: [Elecraft] Transverter use with KX3

2012-08-24 Thread Edward R Cole
I posted a question a few days ago and received no reply.

I will re-phrase:

I am trying to use my KX3 with a 144-28 MHz transverter but have no 
reception when the KX3 is set up for transverter operation:
XV1 ON
XV1RF 144
XV1 IF 28
XV1 PWR H 0.1
XV1 OFS 0.00
XV1 ADR TRN1

If I operate the KX3 on 28 MHz I have good Rx from the transverter.

Is the transverter mode not implemented in sw ?

OK, I discover the answer on my own.  XV1 ON was actually still NO 
and until I held the KHZ button for 3-seconds it was locked.  This 
unlocked the feature and allowed me to select XV1 to ON.

73, Ed - KL7UW

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[Elecraft] KX-1 power output varies

2012-08-24 Thread Barry N1EU
I've been using a KX-1 with KXAT1 ATU and random wire on 20M.  At various
times I notice anywhere from about 1.9 to 3 watts power output.  In all
cases, the ATU has indicated a low SWR after tuning.  I'm wondering why the
power output varies so much.  Is this due to varying losses in the tuner as
the match varies at different locations?

Thanks  73,
Barry N1EU
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[Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Paul and Sue Huff
Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective 
wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.

My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to 
research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the computer consists 
of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something 
that 
I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad has created 
a 
very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in 
the 
old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.

So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio 
software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?

BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days 
but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn, 
however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
able 
to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for 
my 
wife who is even less techie than I am.

Any and all opinions would be appreciated.

73,
Paul - N8XMS

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft covers

2012-08-24 Thread James
Do they have a web site or something else that provides details of what Rose
makes?

 73  James / K1SD / Rhode Island



-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ethan Miller K8GU
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:18 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft covers

I received a message from her dated July 25.  The address was
elecraftcov...@gmail.com

73,

--Ethan, K8GU/3. (K3 #6714)

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:12 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF
m0...@alphadene.co.uk wrote:
 Ken often sends me an email, normally at least 1 a month, but I don't
appear to have had one since the beginning of July. However, they may just
be off in their camper, enjoying the summer.
 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
 --
 The soul is the same in all living creatures, although the body is 
 different. -Hippocrates, physician (460-c.377 BCE)

 On 21 Aug 2012, at 06:01, John Gaynard wrote:

 Has anyone had contact with Rose Kopp (Elecraft Covers) since 
 mid-July?  I have sent several emails to Rose and even one to her 
 husband Ken, and have received no response since around July 8. She was
making a KX3 bag for me.
 There probably is a logical explanation.



 John K8WDN









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[Elecraft] Found a K2

2012-08-24 Thread NZ8J
I found what I was looking for, many thanks to all who responded.
73
Tim
NZ8J
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread David Christ
There is one other potential solution.  You could possibly run 
windows as a virtual machine on the Mac.  We use Mac laptops but have 
one program that we need to run which is available for Windows only. 
We are using Parallels to virtualize Windows XP.  Works great for 
this application.  How it would work for any particular logging 
program I cannot say as I have not tried.  In theory this should work.

David K0LUM

At 9:44 AM -0400 8/24/12, Paul and Sue Huff wrote:
Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective
wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.

My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to
research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the 
computer consists
of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be 
something that
I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad 
has created a
very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know 
that in the
old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.

So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio
software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?

BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days
but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn,
however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would 
need to be able
to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers 
configuration for my
wife who is even less techie than I am.

Any and all opinions would be appreciated.

73,
Paul - N8XMS

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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Bill Frantz
Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and 
ability to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to 
run at least two operating systems on one computer, so having 
dual-boot, windows and OSx is a common way of using the hardware.

Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need. 
My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured 
for either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it 
for computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a 
SignaLink USB as an interface.

I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under 
OSx. I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and 
liked it. I don't have any experience with any of the Windows 
ham radio software, so don't ask for comparisons. :-)

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 8/24/12 at 6:44, ph...@mi.rr.com (Paul and Sue Huff) wrote:

Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
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Re: [Elecraft] FS: KXPD3 Precision Iambic Keyer Paddle

2012-08-24 Thread Dave Agsten
The paddle has been sold. Thanks to all who responded.

 
73,
Dave N8AG
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Gil G.
Hello Paul,

I have a Mac Mini, and I love it. With 8Gb, it is speedy.
Windows is Swiss cheese when it comes to security.
You can run most Windows programs with software like Wine or CrossOver (which 
includes Wine).
Not all programs work, but many do.

Linux is great and I use it on my laptop. I would suggest the Ubuntu 10.04 
distribution, NOT the latest one.
You can also run Windows along with OSX on a mac, even Linux. Some people 
manage to install all three on a Mac, but it is a bit tricky. Installing 
Windows on an Inter based Mac however is pretty straight forward. You choose 
which system you want to use at boot time. Installing Linux along Windows on a 
PC is also very easy, the installation program does all the work for you.

I have ditched Windows seven years ago and never looked back. Doing so saved me 
untold amounts of frustration, lost time, data and money.

Gil.
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Jim Dunstan
At 09:44 AM 8/24/2012 -0400, you wrote:

Hi

Not sure what long in the tooth means exactly related to your present 
computer.  However I know what you mean about the attractiveness of the Mac 
computers and Apple products in general.  Your present computer seems to be 
filling the bill  for you at the present time (ham wise) and it must also 
fill family needs (apparently).  I suggest leaving the present computer in 
its 'HAM' role in the shack (some upgrades may be possible) and going to a 
Mac computer of some kind.  It will be primarily the 'family' computer and 
will give you the opportunity to explore its HAM potential in more 
detail.  It is always a positive thing learning to use a different 
operating system.  In the end you will have some answers to your questions, 
a good family computer, and a dedicated computer in the shack.

Which Mac computer to buy is a different question.

73 Jim, VE3CI

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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Phil Hystad
I use a Mac.  Actually, I use an iMac-24, a MacBook Pro Laptop, an iPad, and an 
iPhone.  The only software I run on my Macs though are the utility programs for 
my Elecraft rigs and MacLoggerDX.  I use MacLoggerDX for logging only and I do 
not use it in real-time as I use my radios.  I continue to log in my spiral 
bound notebooks and transfer information to MacLoggerDX every now and then.  I 
don't contest so this is a viable means of logging.  If you are a contester I 
suggest looking at Rumlog.

Obviously I am a Mac fanatic but if you are going to use a computer mostly for 
ham radio applications I submit that the Windows operating system is more 
suitable as a ton more software is available for Windows.  Sure, you can run a 
VM (Parallels or Fusion) on a Mac or dual-boot for Windows (or Linux or 
whatever) but if most of your activity is running Windows programs then why 
spend the premium for a Mac.

As far as Linux goes -- I use is daily because we develop systems on Linux but 
even the best UI on Linux sucks compared to either Windows (e.g. Windows 7 or 
8) or Mac (especially Mac).  I can't stand more then a few minutes using an 
X-Windows System UI such as Linux sports (even Ubuntu which is probably the 
most polished is horrible).

73, phil, K7PEH


On Aug 24, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff ph...@mi.rr.com wrote:

 Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the 
 collective 
 wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
 
 My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting 
 to 
 research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the computer 
 consists 
 of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something 
 that 
 I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad has 
 created a 
 very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in 
 the 
 old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
 
 So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio 
 software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
 
 BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days 
 but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn, 
 however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
 able 
 to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for 
 my 
 wife who is even less techie than I am.
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
 
 73,
 Paul - N8XMS
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Quite a lot of software is available for OSX (iMac OS) now and I think 
MacLoggerDx is one of the best (although not free) and has a companion version 
for iPad. It does a lot, including rig control. See 
http://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacLoggerDX.html
There is a forum too http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/dogparklist and 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macloggerdx/

For digital modes, there is cocoamodem, very good and has an interface to 
MacLoggerDX (via OSX scripting language - AppleScript).
See http://www.w7ay.net/site/Applications/cocoaModem/index.html (Chen is an ex 
Apple engineer and all his software is good).

There are plenty of other logging programs, including 
http://www.k1gq.com/SkookumLogger/, http://www.aetherlog.com, 
http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/RUMLog.html (free) and many more.

A good place to look is http://machamradio.com which is Devoted entirely to 
amateur radio operators using macintosh

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

Some tortures are physical / And some are mental, / But the one that is both / 
Is dental. -Ogden Nash, poet (1902-1971)

On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff wrote:

 Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the 
 collective 
 wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
 
 My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting 
 to 
 research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the computer 
 consists 
 of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something 
 that 
 I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad has 
 created a 
 very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in 
 the 
 old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
 
 So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio 
 software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
 
 BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days 
 but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn, 
 however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
 able 
 to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for 
 my 
 wife who is even less techie than I am.
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
 
 73,
 Paul - N8XMS
 
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[Elecraft] [P3SVGA} beta

2012-08-24 Thread Bill [NS4C]
P3SVGA beta  1.18  has been out now for a while. Might there be a new beta
in the near future? 

 

Thank you,

73  Bill  NS4C

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
OH and then if you must use Windows, there are virtual machine systems, like 
Parellels, that allow you to run Windows on a Mac
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
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On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff wrote:

 Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the 
 collective 
 wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
 
 My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting 
 to 
 research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the computer 
 consists 
 of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something 
 that 
 I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad has 
 created a 
 very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in 
 the 
 old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
 
 So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio 
 software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
 
 BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days 
 but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn, 
 however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
 able 
 to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for 
 my 
 wife who is even less techie than I am.
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
 
 73,
 Paul - N8XMS
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Phil Townsend
I have used Macs since 1984... From the the earliest 128k machines to the 
newest 27 imac's. They all have served me well with out any virus 
contamination. Four or five years ago I started running windows software on 
some of my machines. In general that has been a success and I have been pretty 
happy with the results. Currently I use a program called Crossover to run 
windows apps. The point of Crossover is that you do not need any Microsoft 
software running in the background. 
I suspect that the Apple iPad will find it's way into the ham radio world more 
and more as time passes Wht? Because it simply works... Really well. Tight 
integration between the development software and the hardware. Love to write 
for the iPad and iPhone.

Phil
Santa Fe
KF5ROJ

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote:

 Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and 
 ability to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to 
 run at least two operating systems on one computer, so having 
 dual-boot, windows and OSx is a common way of using the hardware.
 
 Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need. 
 My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured 
 for either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it 
 for computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a 
 SignaLink USB as an interface.
 
 I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under 
 OSx. I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and 
 liked it. I don't have any experience with any of the Windows 
 ham radio software, so don't ask for comparisons. :-)
 
 Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
 
 On 8/24/12 at 6:44, ph...@mi.rr.com (Paul and Sue Huff) wrote:
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Jack Berry
I have a Mac Mini as well as a Win7 Dell laptop. The Dell is the ham machine 
but the Mac could easily fill the bill using Windows 7. I boot it directly to 
Win7 and no problems. 
If you are used to a desktop with serial ports you will need to get a good 
USB/RS232 multi port. There are some good ones. 

On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff ph...@mi.rr.com wrote:

 Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the 
 collective 
 wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
 
 My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting 
 to 
 research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the computer 
 consists 
 of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something 
 that 
 I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad has 
 created a 
 very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in 
 the 
 old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
 
 So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio 
 software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
 
 BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days 
 but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn, 
 however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
 able 
 to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for 
 my 
 wife who is even less techie than I am.
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
 
 73,
 Paul - N8XMS
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

  Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and
  ability to work in harsh environments.

While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their
software policies make that long term reliability useless.  Apple
simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that
all users purchase each incremental update.  In addition, each
major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware
(e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems
that are only a four years old) and many application updates
require the current OS version.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 8/24/2012 10:20 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
 Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and
 ability to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to
 run at least two operating systems on one computer, so having
 dual-boot, windows and OSx is a common way of using the hardware.

 Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need.
 My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured
 for either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it
 for computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a
 SignaLink USB as an interface.

 I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under
 OSx. I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and
 liked it. I don't have any experience with any of the Windows
 ham radio software, so don't ask for comparisons. :-)

 Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Andy McMullin
Paul,

The subject of Mac or PC can sometimes start religious wars; however these days 
it is possible to have the best of all worlds!

A modern Mac can not only run Apple's operating system and software, it can 
also run either Windows or Linux at the same time. 

There are excellent applications for the Mac but if you need a windows app, 
just run one if the virtual machines. The only thing is to remember to specify 
a lot of memory in your machine. 

I hope this helps. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff ph...@mi.rr.com wrote:

 Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the 
 collective 
 wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
 
 My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting 
 to 
 research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the computer 
 consists 
 of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something 
 that 
 I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad has 
 created a 
 very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in 
 the 
 old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
 
 So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio 
 software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
 
 BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days 
 but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn, 
 however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
 able 
 to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for 
 my 
 wife who is even less techie than I am.
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
 
 73,
 Paul - N8XMS
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX-1 power output varies

2012-08-24 Thread Bill K9YEQ
Simple answer:  Yes.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU


I've been using a KX-1 with KXAT1 ATU and random wire on 20M.  At various
times I notice anywhere from about 1.9 to 3 watts power output.  In all
cases, the ATU has indicated a low SWR after tuning.  I'm wondering why the
power output varies so much.  Is this due to varying losses in the tuner as
the match varies at different locations?

Thanks  73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Grant Youngman
 
 
 While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their
 software policies make that long term reliability useless.  Apple
 simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that
 all users purchase each incremental update.

Partly true, but with a major caveat.  Point upgrades, e.g. Lion (10.7) to 
Mountain Lion (10.8) cost a budget busting $20.  Updates within that point 
level (e.g.10.8.1 to 10.8.2) cost nothing.  I can purchase a whole lot of 
future Apple OS upgrades for the price of one copy of Windows 8.


  In addition, each
 major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware
 (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems
 that are only a four years old) and many application updates
 require the current OS version.

Mountain Lion will not run on machines that have a 32-bit EFI (bios).  It has 
nothing to do with the processor type.  My going on 5 year old Core 2 Duo Mac 
Book Pro runs just fine with 10.8.  My 2007 Quad Core Mac Pro does not, because 
it has a 32-bit (rather than 64-bit) EFI. Time passes, technology changes.  You 
might be able to load Windows 8 on some ancient machine, but getting it to run 
in any useful way is a completely different issue.  And realistically, most 
computer systems are getting pretty ancient at the 5 year mark.
 

Grant/NQ5T

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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Mike

Paul,

I'm currently using a MacBook Pro flaptop that I bought to study Apple 
programming. It's currently running the latest version of OS X, Mountain 
Lion. The upgrade cost 19.95 and was a non-event.

I also run Windows 7 on it under Parallels, a virtual machine. Both ML 
and Win 7 run at the same time.

On the Mac side I settled on RUMLog for logging and CocoaModem for digi 
work. RUMLog can use either CCM or FLDigi. No interface needed, just two 
audio cables.

I tried MacLoggerDX and preferred RUMLog. IMHO, better support. Both 
have rig control, RUMLog doesn't have rotor control...yet.

The Mac's have a single jack for audio in and out. The simple solution 
is a iMic dongle which splits 'em.

The Apple operating system is a civilized layer over the savagery of 
Linux. I tried Linux on an extra flaptop and could never get it going to 
my satisfaction.

The least expensive new Mac is the Mini.

73, Mike NF4L




On 8/24/12 9:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff wrote:
 Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective
 wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.

 My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to
 research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the computer 
 consists
 of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something 
 that
 I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad has 
 created a
 very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in 
 the
 old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.

 So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio
 software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?

 BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days
 but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn,
 however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
 able
 to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for 
 my
 wife who is even less techie than I am.

 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.

 73,
 Paul - N8XMS

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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Bill K9YEQ
Check the Elecraft mail reflector archives for information  This topic
has been beaten to death many times before.  Lots of information, and tons
of misinformation.  Technically, there's lots of choices, make the one best
for you.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ


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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Jussi Eloranta
On 08/24/2012 06:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff wrote:
 BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days
 but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn,
 however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
 able
 to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for 
 my
 wife who is even less techie than I am.
You can grab a live image, put it on a USB stick and boot from there.
This way you can try it out without installing it on your hard drive.
You can even keep running it this way permanently but it would run
a bit slower than from hard drive.

The two most common distros are Fedora and Ubuntu. Info
on the live images can be found from:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/index.html#Introduction
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/try-ubuntu-before-you-install

Ubuntu might be a bit user friendlier but Fedora is certainly more 
customizable. I believe both include hamlib that supports K2, K3/KX3 etc.

Jussi Eloranta (AA6KJ)

ps. Fedora ham radio guide is at: 
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Amateur_Radio_Guide/index.html
 
but it is missing important things like cqrlog (which I use with my K3; 
see www.cqrlog.com). There is also a short intro for ubuntu for hams at 
http://www.arrl.org/ubuntu-linux-for-hams. Also a ham oriented spin off 
of ubuntu is available: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kb1oiq-andysham/; you might be able to 
run this off of a usb stick too.



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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread W4ATK
I have found the Mac to be an excellent choice. For those programs that I 
really need from my old PC, I run under CrossOvere ($59.95) where ther run as 
Mac apps with no switching back and forth. I have found the Navigator to be an 
excellent interface satisfying every need for serial port, cw keyer etc.  
Personally, I would not even consider going back to a PC.

Logging: MacLogger DX
Digital Modes: FLDigi
CW: Flwkey and WK24Mac (which I wrote)

73s Jim W4ATK
59 years of hammin' it up

On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff ph...@mi.rr.com wrote:

 Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the 
 collective 
 wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
 
 My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting 
 to 
 research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the computer 
 consists 
 of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something 
 that 
 I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad has 
 created a 
 very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in 
 the 
 old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
 
 So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio 
 software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
 
 BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days 
 but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn, 
 however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
 able 
 to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for 
 my 
 wife who is even less techie than I am.
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
 
 73,
 Paul - N8XMS
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 Mountain Lion will not run on machines that have a 32-bit EFI (bios).
 It has nothing to do with the processor type. My going on 5 year old
 Core 2 Duo Mac Book Pro runs just fine with 10.8. My 2007 Quad Core
 Mac Pro does not, because it has a 32-bit (rather than 64-bit) EFI.
 Time passes, technology changes. You might be able to load Windows 8
 on some ancient machine, but getting it to run in any useful way is a
 completely different issue. And realistically, most computer systems
 are getting pretty ancient at the 5 year mark.

Windows XP was a screamer on a 2 GHz Core 2 Duo, Vista was a hotrod
on that processor, Windows 7 is the most stable operating system ever
on that platform ... all on a four year old Mac Mini that Apple will
not support with Mountain Lion.  Even the Windows 8 preview runs just
fine on another system with similar processor/RAM although it could
probably benefit from another couple GB of RAM.

I certainly do not consider those systems ancient by any means *but*
it means that I will not be running OS-X on anything for a long time.
I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis
in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 and enjoy the
far greater choice of amateur software as well.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 8/24/2012 11:10 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:


 While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their
 software policies make that long term reliability useless.  Apple
 simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that
 all users purchase each incremental update.

 Partly true, but with a major caveat.  Point upgrades, e.g. Lion (10.7) to 
 Mountain Lion (10.8) cost a budget busting $20.  Updates within that point 
 level (e.g.10.8.1 to 10.8.2) cost nothing.  I can purchase a whole lot of 
 future Apple OS upgrades for the price of one copy of Windows 8.


   In addition, each
 major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware
 (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems
 that are only a four years old) and many application updates
 require the current OS version.

 Mountain Lion will not run on machines that have a 32-bit EFI (bios).  It has 
 nothing to do with the processor type.  My going on 5 year old Core 2 Duo Mac 
 Book Pro runs just fine with 10.8.  My 2007 Quad Core Mac Pro does not, 
 because it has a 32-bit (rather than 64-bit) EFI. Time passes, technology 
 changes.  You might be able to load Windows 8 on some ancient machine, but 
 getting it to run in any useful way is a completely different issue.  And 
 realistically, most computer systems are getting pretty ancient at the 5 year 
 mark.


 Grant/NQ5T

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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Scott Manthe
Joe,
This is simply wrong. While Apple releases incremental OS upgrades about 
once a year, Apple doesn't require anyone, let alone all users, to buy 
an upgrade. I waited over a year before I upgraded to Snow Leopard 
(10.6) and have no plans to upgrade to Mountain Lion (10.8) any time 
soon. My Macs run fine, and Apple is not nagging me to update the OS in 
my old Mac Mini, which is running 10.5. If you have an old Mac, run the 
older OSs. You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it as 
well, but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS.

73,
Scott, N9AA


On 8/24/12 10:56 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and
ability to work in harsh environments.

 While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their
 software policies make that long term reliability useless.  Apple
 simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that
 all users purchase each incremental update.  In addition, each
 major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware
 (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems
 that are only a four years old) and many application updates
 require the current OS version.

 73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Sorry, I don't agree Joe - there are regular 'point' upgrades that are free, 
easy to download and install, but you don't have to upgrade if you don't wish 
too. The major version upgrades (10.5 - 10.6 - 10.7 - 10.8) are paid for, 
but then so are the windows equivalents.
you don't have to upgrade and while it's true older hardware doesn't support 
the latest OS, you can go a long way with older hardware and software before it 
becomes a problem. The latest OSX 10.8 (Mountain Lion) will run on an iMac  a 
MacBook Pro from mid 2007 (other models from later dates).
I'm running an iMac Intel Core 2 Duo from Aug 2007 and ML will run on that.


There are few applications (if any) that 'require' ML, a few do require Lion, 
but then is been around since 2011, most apps run on 10.6 (Snow Leopard) with 
no problems and that’s been around since August 2009.

My experience (and it's extensive on many OS) is that windows sytems 'time out' 
faster than Apple ones.

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

-- 
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we
created them. -Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel laureate (1879-1955)

On 24 Aug 2012, at 15:56, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 
 Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and
 ability to work in harsh environments.
 
 While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their
 software policies make that long term reliability useless.  Apple
 simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that
 all users purchase each incremental update.  In addition, each
 major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware
 (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems
 that are only a four years old) and many application updates
 require the current OS version.
 
 73,
 
... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 On 8/24/2012 10:20 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
 Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and
 ability to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to
 run at least two operating systems on one computer, so having
 dual-boot, windows and OSx is a common way of using the hardware.
 
 Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need.
 My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured
 for either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it
 for computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a
 SignaLink USB as an interface.
 
 I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under
 OSx. I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and
 liked it. I don't have any experience with any of the Windows
 ham radio software, so don't ask for comparisons. :-)
 
 Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
 
 On 8/24/12 at 6:44, ph...@mi.rr.com (Paul and Sue Huff) wrote:
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
 -
 Bill Frantz| The first thing you need when  | Periwinkle
 (408)356-8506  | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345
 Englewood Ave
 www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos,
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 My Macs run fine, and Apple is not nagging me to update the OS in my
 old Mac Mini, which is running 10.5. If you have an old Mac, run the
 older OSs. You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it
 as well, but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS.

You can't upgrade to Mountain Lion from Leopard (10.5) as Apple will
not allow that.  The user *must* upgrade through each major version
if the hardware will support it.

 You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it as well,
 but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS.

But there's the rub ... one can't stay current with even incremental
upgrades and bug fixes on many applications without staying current
on the operating system upgrades.  Apple enforces that with iTunes
(needed to sync iPad, etc.) and in the support for development systems
by what is available in the software libraries (equivalent to Windows
DLLs).  Try running the *current version* of MacLoggerDX on Lion.

There is no reason for removing support from the new operating systems
other than to force upgrades.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 8/24/2012 11:44 AM, Scott Manthe wrote:
 Joe,
 This is simply wrong. While Apple releases incremental OS upgrades about
 once a year, Apple doesn't require anyone, let alone all users, to buy
 an upgrade. I waited over a year before I upgraded to Snow Leopard
 (10.6) and have no plans to upgrade to Mountain Lion (10.8) any time
 soon. My Macs run fine, and Apple is not nagging me to update the OS in
 my old Mac Mini, which is running 10.5. If you have an old Mac, run the
 older OSs. You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it as
 well, but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS.

 73,
 Scott, N9AA


 On 8/24/12 10:56 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and
 ability to work in harsh environments.

 While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their
 software policies make that long term reliability useless.  Apple
 simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that
 all users purchase each incremental update.  In addition, each
 major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware
 (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems
 that are only a four years old) and many application updates
 require the current OS version.

 73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 I'm running an iMac Intel Core 2 Duo from Aug 2007 and ML will run on
 that.

Not on my Core2 Duo Mac Minis.

 My experience (and it's extensive on many OS) is that windows sytems
 'time out' faster than Apple ones.

Far from it ... there are still a lot of Windows XP systems in service
today (and Microsoft is still maintaining Extended Support for XP)
but very few OS-X 10.1/10.2/10.3 systems still out there.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 8/24/2012 12:08 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
 Sorry, I don't agree Joe - there are regular 'point' upgrades that are free, 
 easy to download and install, but you don't have to upgrade if you don't wish 
 too. The major version upgrades (10.5 - 10.6 - 10.7 - 10.8) are paid for, 
 but then so are the windows equivalents.
 you don't have to upgrade and while it's true older hardware doesn't support 
 the latest OS, you can go a long way with older hardware and software before 
 it becomes a problem. The latest OSX 10.8 (Mountain Lion) will run on an iMac 
  a MacBook Pro from mid 2007 (other models from later dates).
 I'm running an iMac Intel Core 2 Duo from Aug 2007 and ML will run on that.


 There are few applications (if any) that 'require' ML, a few do require Lion, 
 but then is been around since 2011, most apps run on 10.6 (Snow Leopard) with 
 no problems and that’s been around since August 2009.

 My experience (and it's extensive on many OS) is that windows sytems 'time 
 out' faster than Apple ones.

 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

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[Elecraft] Another KXPD3 for sale

2012-08-24 Thread wb5xx
Never used,prefer another keyer for my use.Price shipped USPS Priority Mail is 
$100.00.Paypal is ok.Contact off list please.

Thanks
George wb5xx
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Elecraft K3
I was not happy with Parallels on my iMac.  I run Boot Camp which comes with 
OSX and I find it runs flawlessly.

Really helps to save on desk space just to have the space of a monitor.

HTH

73 de Eric, KG6MZS


On Aug 24, 2012, at 7:17 AM, David Christ wrote:

 There is one other potential solution.  You could possibly run 
 windows as a virtual machine on the Mac.  We use Mac laptops but have 
 one program that we need to run which is available for Windows only. 
 We are using Parallels to virtualize Windows XP.  Works great for 
 this application.  How it would work for any particular logging 
 program I cannot say as I have not tried.  In theory this should work.
 
 David K0LUM
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Tony Estep
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 ...I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis
 in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 


And for those who like this idea, note that you can buy a Windows machine
with identical specs for about 60% of the price of a Mac.

Tony KT0NY

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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Scott Manthe
Also note that identical specs does not mean identical performance or 
hardware... Anyone who has actually switched from one of those 60% 
Windows machines to a Mac soon understands the differences.

73,
Scott, N9AA


On 8/24/12 1:15 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 ...I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis
 in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 
 
 And for those who like this idea, note that you can buy a Windows machine
 with identical specs for about 60% of the price of a Mac.

 Tony KT0NY


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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Paul and Sue Huff
A big thank you to all of the responses that I have received both on and off 
the list regarding my question about Windows vs. Mac ham radio usage.  I'm not 
sure that additional list bandwidth needs to be taken up with a continuation of 
this topic but I would still appreciate any additional thoughts sent to me 
off-list.  I'm several months away from any decision but I just like to ask all 
the questions first rather than regret the results later!

Thanks again and 73,
Paul - N8XMS

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[Elecraft] K2/10 for Sale

2012-08-24 Thread Chip Stratton
I bought another list member's K2/100 so I'm ready to sell my K2/10 #3824
with KAT2, KSB2, KIO2, K160RX, KAF2, KBT2. It goes live on Ebay at 2000 EDT
so if anyone wants it now for $750 let me know. Includes original K2
construction/owners manual. Battery not included, but wiring with a Dean's
connector is present. Power output CW is 10 watts on all bands except for
10 meters, where it hits 9.0 watts.

Thanks
Chip
AE5KA
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread KC8I - Lyn

Paul,

Their are lots of good posts here to help you out. I have a couple more pluses 
for the Mac...

 - Operating system software can used on more than one Mac at a time. No need 
to buy a new copy or contact Apple when installing on another Mac. Great for 
trying various hardware.

 - Mac OS is now sold through the App Store. I paid $20 once and it upgraded 
all three of my Macs. (Better than $100+ per PC for Windows!)

 -  Hardly any threats from malware. Many of us don't bother to run scanning 
software -YMMV! It's always a good idea to monitor a couple of Mac news sites 
to keep on top of things, though.

 - Simple sound interface for digital modes using Griffin iMic. (Should work 
with PC too, I understand)

 - All Elecraft software (that I know of) is available in a Mac native version

My shack Setup...
 - Mac Mini, 8Gb memory, OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion
 - MacLoggerDX for rig control and logging
 - Elecraft software for KX3 Utilities and W2 wattmeter on-screen display
 - Griffin iMic for sound interface with rigs or iPad
 - cocoaModem for digital modes
 - iPad with iSDR for KX3 band-scope and MacLoggerDX HD
 - Parallels 7 Desktop with Windows 7 (mainly to run PowerSDR for Flex 1500)

Also have...
 - Mac PowerBook Pro 13 laptop, OS x 10.8, Parallels 7 Desktop with Windows XP 
(just in case)
 - HP Pavilion with AMD Athlon II and Windows 7 (bought to try a recommended 
PC for Flex)
 - Acer NetBook with XT (handy portable for Windows ham utilities, when 
required)
 - A couple of older Macs (yes they still work fine without the latest OS)
 - A couple of Ubuntu Linux installations (not much ham support)

I'd be glad to chat off-line if I can offer you any help in your decision.

Lyn - KC8I

PS - Life is too short to do Windows!
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Lu Romero
Im a perenial believer in MS Windows.  But I do have a
Mac... An old 2004 vintage Dual G5 that I run Final Cut Pro
on to edit video.  It still works just fine for what I need,
but I cannot run any newer FCP versions past 5.1.7 as they
only run on the new Intel platform Mac... But I had that at
work and its a really nice machine... The hardware is a work
of art!

Machines of any kind are not obsolete until they stop doing
what you want to do!

Disclaimer... Im a contester.  For logging, I have not found
anything in either Mac OS or Linux that can beat either
WinTest or N1MM for functionality.  So the decision is
pretty easy for me... Windows is the OS of choice at W4LT,
running N1MM Logger 98% of the time.

As far as hardware age, I have a slew of cast off from work
Dell GX280's.  These were literally thrown away from my
former employer, and I gave them a good home.  They are
circa 2004 vintage with 3.4Ghz hyperthreading Pentium 4's
and 2GB of RAM and a 40GB HD.  They have dual monitor cards
and GigE LAN, too.  This is what I use for both my personal
machine, the machine that runs my WinRadio, my local Cluster
using VE7CC and both my wife and my own personal desktop,
each dedicated to their own purpose. 

These older boxes all run Win XP SP3 (one is running Win7,
another one is slated to run Win8 (when my MS employed
Brother in Law gets me a copy) and they do everything I have
ever needed to do.  These boxes run Elecraft apps just fine,
do rig control with MicroHam uRouter and run N1MM perfectly.

These can be purchased on the internet from several off
lease vendors for the cost of the OS...  You basically get
the hardware for free.  Our club also runs 5 of these
machines in all 5 operating positions and has done so for
three years now with no complaints.  

Before you go and spend $3k on a new Mac, consider spending
$170 (or less, in my case, $0) for some off lease hardware
that usually comes with a licensed copy of the OS and see
how that works for you.  It works for me here and at our
Multi-2 operation at the Tampa Amateur Radio Club just fine.

I strongly recommend that you get a machine and dedicate it
to Ham Radio applications... This is the way to go not only
for safety, but for maximum flexibility.  Hardware is
getting so cheap now that its real easy to use dedicated
machines for dedicated uses.

And you end up getting to be pretty good at setting up
workgroups while youre at it!

Lu Romero - W4LT
Tampa - K3/P3/K1
Riding out the two storms... Issac and the RNC!
 


Message: 26
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:40:10 -0400
From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: 5037a05a.4000...@subich.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


 Mountain Lion will not run on machines that have a 32-bit
EFI (bios).
 It has nothing to do with the processor type. My going on
5 year old
 Core 2 Duo Mac Book Pro runs just fine with 10.8. My 2007
Quad Core
 Mac Pro does not, because it has a 32-bit (rather than
64-bit) EFI.
 Time passes, technology changes. You might be able to load
Windows 8
 on some ancient machine, but getting it to run in any
useful way is a
 completely different issue. And realistically, most
computer systems
 are getting pretty ancient at the 5 year mark.

Windows XP was a screamer on a 2 GHz Core 2 Duo, Vista was a
hotrod
on that processor, Windows 7 is the most stable operating
system ever
on that platform ... all on a four year old Mac Mini that
Apple will
not support with Mountain Lion.  Even the Windows 8 preview
runs just
fine on another system with similar processor/RAM although
it could
probably benefit from another couple GB of RAM.

I certainly do not consider those systems ancient by any
means *but*
it means that I will not be running OS-X on anything for a
long time.
I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the
Mac Minis
in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 and
enjoy the
far greater choice of amateur software as well.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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[Elecraft] FS: K2/10 with options

2012-08-24 Thread Andrew Moore
Elecraft K2 serial no. 4958 (firmware: 2.04P / 1.09) for sale by original
builder / owner (experienced EE and builder).

Includes:


KAT2 internal tuner

KAF2 audio filter / real-time clock

KNB2 noise blanker

ETS15 tilt stand

plus misc (docs, RF probe, etc.)


$795 includes ground shipping within continental U.S., payment by PayPal.

More details and high resolution photos at maineware.net/k2

--Andrew, NV1B
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[Elecraft] Another KXPD3 Sold

2012-08-24 Thread wb5xx
Thanks to those who inquired about the KXPD3 it has been sold.

Thanks

George wb5xx
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[Elecraft] K2 Problems

2012-08-24 Thread Brent Sutphin
I ordered a half dozen of the 1N5711 diodes  and finals for the K2 today.  I 
also ordered several of the 2n7000 transistors. I felt like there was some 
confusion last night after my original post with the nature of my problem. 
After reading my post today it was easy to understand the confusion.

When I turned it on, it came on for a few seconds then a high
current warning and then off.

I meant to say, I turned it on, it came on for a few seconds before a high 
current warning and then the radio powered down. If I turn the power off via 
the front panel power switch and back on it does the same thing again.  The 
K2 finals quickly get very hot as if they are drawing full current, all this 
in the RX mode not transmitting . I didn't attempt to transmit.

Hope this helps,
Brent  WB4X 

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[Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Adrian

I use crossover too, but it will not run programs like HRD or K3EZ, so be
aware of that.

Laptops etc are so inexpensive these days, that you can use a different one
for each OS to see what you like and prefer or learn to use esp with Linux.

Many laptops are now being released with dual HDD's which work well with
dual boot using Linux grub to decide the OS is the best way to go.

Adrian ... vk4tux

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Townsend
Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2012 12:44 AM
To: Bill Frantz
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

I have used Macs since 1984... From the the earliest 128k machines to the
newest 27 imac's. They all have served me well with out any virus
contamination. Four or five years ago I started running windows software on
some of my machines. In general that has been a success and I have been
pretty happy with the results. Currently I use a program called Crossover to
run windows apps. The point of Crossover is that you do not need any
Microsoft software running in the background. 
I suspect that the Apple iPad will find it's way into the ham radio world
more and more as time passes Wht? Because it simply works... Really
well. Tight integration between the development software and the hardware.
Love to write for the iPad and iPhone.

Phil
Santa Fe
KF5ROJ

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote:

 Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability 
 to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to run at least 
 two operating systems on one computer, so having dual-boot, windows 
 and OSx is a common way of using the hardware.
 
 Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need. 
 My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured for 
 either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it for 
 computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a SignaLink USB 
 as an interface.
 
 I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under OSx. 
 I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and liked it. I 
 don't have any experience with any of the Windows ham radio software, 
 so don't ask for comparisons. :-)
 
 Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
 
 On 8/24/12 at 6:44, ph...@mi.rr.com (Paul and Sue Huff) wrote:
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
 -
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Re: [Elecraft] cant post to K3 Yahoo group error 999

2012-08-24 Thread ab2tc
This has been going on for several days now. Many of my groups have had no
postings since Tuesday.

AB2TC - Knut


ke9uw wrote
 
 It's not you. I posted to the group instead of on Yahoo directly when
 answering a digest thread.
 
 Chuck, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles BMWMOA #224
 
 
 From: elecraft-bounces@.qth [elecraft-bounces@.qth] on behalf of david
 Moes [dmoes@]
 Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:16 PM
 To: Elecraft reflector
 Subject: [Elecraft] cant post to K3 Yahoo group  error 999
 
 Anyone tried posting to the K3 yahoo group?   it seems to be broken.  it
 says I have a virus or ISP issues.  so tried it on work computer with a
 different ISP and same issue.  Please someone tell me its really not
 just me.
 




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Re: [Elecraft] KX-1 power output varies

2012-08-24 Thread Adrian
The tuner is losing little. The losses are in the feedline with variance of
match.

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill K9YEQ
Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2012 1:05 AM
To: 'elecraft'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX-1 power output varies

Simple answer:  Yes.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ


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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU


I've been using a KX-1 with KXAT1 ATU and random wire on 20M.  At various
times I notice anywhere from about 1.9 to 3 watts power output.  In all
cases, the ATU has indicated a low SWR after tuning.  I'm wondering why the
power output varies so much.  Is this due to varying losses in the tuner as
the match varies at different locations?

Thanks  73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Problems

2012-08-24 Thread Don Wilhelm
Brent,

With that clarification, yes, I can say that the PA transistors in the 
base K2 need to be changed.  If you ordered the PA transistors from 
other than Elecraft, I suggest that you do not use those transistors -  
Order the K2PAKIT from Elecraft and you will receive a matched pair of 
PA transistors plus 2 2NA transistors to replace those at Q11 and 
Q13.  Do replace the Q11 and Q13 transistors because they often fail 
either as the cause of the PA failure (the bias goes high) or they are 
damaged as a secondary effect from excessive voltage on the PA 
transistor bases.

What is happening is that the current draw is exceeding 5 amps and the 
resettable fuse trips turning power off (that is a good thing).

If you have the KPA100, do check D16 and D17 to see if they are 
damaged.  If they do not function properly, the K2 will go to maximum 
power and that places stress on the base K2 PA transistors. If you do 
not have the KPA100, but have either the KAT2 or KAT100, they also have 
wattmeter diodes that can be damaged by static.

I would suggest that you install a resistor across all of your feedlines 
to discharge static charges that can occur from nearby lightning, wind, 
rain or snow.  The common advice is to disconnect the antennas when not 
in use, but plugging in PL-259s are especially bad because the center 
conductor makes contact before the shell, and if there is a static 
charge on the feedline, there is no chance to bleed it off before it 
zaps those diodes.  The protection must be in the feedline rather than 
in the K2.  I use an antenna switch in the shack and switch the 
transmitters to dummy loads when not in use - my resistors are mounted 
inside the antenna switch, so I do not have to physically disconnect the 
antennas, just turn the switch.

A resistor of 5k to 100k will be effective.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/24/2012 4:10 PM, Brent Sutphin wrote:
 I ordered a half dozen of the 1N5711 diodes  and finals for the K2 today.  I
 also ordered several of the 2n7000 transistors. I felt like there was some
 confusion last night after my original post with the nature of my problem.
 After reading my post today it was easy to understand the confusion.

 When I turned it on, it came on for a few seconds then a high
 current warning and then off.

 I meant to say, I turned it on, it came on for a few seconds before a high
 current warning and then the radio powered down. If I turn the power off via
 the front panel power switch and back on it does the same thing again.  The
 K2 finals quickly get very hot as if they are drawing full current, all this
 in the RX mode not transmitting . I didn't attempt to transmit.


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft covers

2012-08-24 Thread Cady, Fred
Have a look at 
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/7058736_hZbo4/1/452236459_Bc3aF#!i=452236
459k=Bc3aF


Fred Cady
The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation
www.ke7x.com

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 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-
 boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James
 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:47 AM
 To: 'Ethan Miller K8GU'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft covers
 
 Do they have a web site or something else that provides details of
what
 Rose
 makes?
 
  73  James / K1SD / Rhode Island
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ethan Miller
 K8GU
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:18 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft covers
 
 I received a message from her dated July 25.  The address was
 elecraftcov...@gmail.com
 
 73,
 
 --Ethan, K8GU/3. (K3 #6714)
 
 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:12 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF
 m0...@alphadene.co.uk wrote:
  Ken often sends me an email, normally at least 1 a month, but I
don't
 appear to have had one since the beginning of July. However, they may
 just
 be off in their camper, enjoying the summer.
  73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
  --
  The soul is the same in all living creatures, although the body is
  different. -Hippocrates, physician (460-c.377 BCE)
 
  On 21 Aug 2012, at 06:01, John Gaynard wrote:
 
  Has anyone had contact with Rose Kopp (Elecraft Covers) since
  mid-July?  I have sent several emails to Rose and even one to her
  husband Ken, and have received no response since around July 8. She
 was
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Re: [Elecraft] KX-1 power output varies

2012-08-24 Thread Don Wilhelm
Barry,

The losses through a properly assembled tuner are small.  I suggest you 
check the power output into a dummy load - I would believe there is a 
problem if the power is less than 3 watts with a 13.8 volt power 
supply.  Check first with the ATU menu parameter set to CAL, and then 
again with the ATU menu set to tun - you should obtain close to the 
same power.

If you still suspect the KXAT1, remove it and put the jumper on J7 
(between pins 1 and 3) and measure the power with an external wattmeter.

Be aware that the KAT1 wattmeter power indication is not always right 
on (it is not a precision wattmeter, but indicates in the ballpark), 
it will vary in the indication - you should assume that the actual power 
is somewhere between the two values it indicates.
The variation in the readings is typically about 0.3 watts - the range 
you are seeing is greater than normal, so be certain your antenna 
connections are solid and your coax is good.  If you are using UHF 
connectors in your feedline, make certain they are seated properly and 
tight.  UHF connectors depend on tightness for good conductivity.  Use a 
tool and tighten just a shade more than finger tight.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/24/2012 8:01 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
 I've been using a KX-1 with KXAT1 ATU and random wire on 20M.  At various
 times I notice anywhere from about 1.9 to 3 watts power output.  In all
 cases, the ATU has indicated a low SWR after tuning.  I'm wondering why the
 power output varies so much.  Is this due to varying losses in the tuner as
 the match varies at different locations?



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[Elecraft] Let me build your K2, or other Elecraft kit.

2012-08-24 Thread Alan Price

I have built almost 500 K2's to date.  No not a typo, I am just a little crazy 
and love to build them.  My prices are reasonable and you get a new radio with 
the options you want.  Also, since the prices are going up next month you can 
actually save some money.  Please respond off of the reflector.
 
73
Alan
W1HYV
  
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Re: [Elecraft] MacLoggerDX vs RUMlog

2012-08-24 Thread Matt Maguire
What are the reasons you prefer MacLoggerDX over RumLog? Is it purely because 
of the iPad companion application, or are there other reasons as well to choose 
MacLoggerDX over RUMLog? How is the integration with the Elecraft KX3?

73, Matt VK2ACL

On 25/08/2012, at 12:41 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk 
wrote:

 Quite a lot of software is available for OSX (iMac OS) now and I think 
 MacLoggerDx is one of the best (although not free) and has a companion 
 version for iPad. It does a lot, including rig control. See 
 http://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacLoggerDX.html
 There is a forum too http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/dogparklist and 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macloggerdx/
 
 For digital modes, there is cocoamodem, very good and has an interface to 
 MacLoggerDX (via OSX scripting language - AppleScript).
 See http://www.w7ay.net/site/Applications/cocoaModem/index.html (Chen is an 
 ex Apple engineer and all his software is good).
 
 There are plenty of other logging programs, including 
 http://www.k1gq.com/SkookumLogger/, http://www.aetherlog.com, 
 http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/RUMLog.html (free) and many more.
 
 A good place to look is http://machamradio.com which is Devoted entirely to 
 amateur radio operators using macintosh
 
 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
 
 Some tortures are physical / And some are mental, / But the one that is both 
 / Is dental. -Ogden Nash, poet (1902-1971)
 
 On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff wrote:
 
 Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the 
 collective 
 wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
 
 My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting 
 to 
 research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the computer 
 consists 
 of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something 
 that 
 I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad has 
 created a 
 very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in 
 the 
 old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
 
 So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio 
 software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
 
 BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these 
 days 
 but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn, 
 however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
 able 
 to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration 
 for my 
 wife who is even less techie than I am.
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
 
 73,
 Paul - N8XMS
 
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Re: [Elecraft] MacLoggerDX vs RUMlog

2012-08-24 Thread Phil Hystad
My opinion.

I use MacLoggerDX mainly because all I need is a good database and with UI 
entry, edit, and display screens.  I like the fact that the log is stored in 
SQLite databases so I can easily access directly with my own programs for doing 
various things -- like computing the total distance of all my accumulated QSOs 
by summing over all the distance measures between my QTH and the other end 
where it is available.  If not available I just guess.

PEH


On Aug 24, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Matt Maguire vk2...@gmail.com wrote:

 What are the reasons you prefer MacLoggerDX over RumLog? Is it purely because 
 of the iPad companion application, or are there other reasons as well to 
 choose MacLoggerDX over RUMLog? How is the integration with the Elecraft KX3?
 
 73, Matt VK2ACL
 
 On 25/08/2012, at 12:41 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 Quite a lot of software is available for OSX (iMac OS) now and I think 
 MacLoggerDx is one of the best (although not free) and has a companion 
 version for iPad. It does a lot, including rig control. See 
 http://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacLoggerDX.html
 There is a forum too http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/dogparklist 
 and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macloggerdx/
 
 For digital modes, there is cocoamodem, very good and has an interface to 
 MacLoggerDX (via OSX scripting language - AppleScript).
 See http://www.w7ay.net/site/Applications/cocoaModem/index.html (Chen is an 
 ex Apple engineer and all his software is good).
 
 There are plenty of other logging programs, including 
 http://www.k1gq.com/SkookumLogger/, http://www.aetherlog.com, 
 http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/RUMLog.html (free) and many more.
 
 A good place to look is http://machamradio.com which is Devoted entirely to 
 amateur radio operators using macintosh
 
 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
 
 Some tortures are physical / And some are mental, / But the one that is both 
 / Is dental. -Ogden Nash, poet (1902-1971)
 
 On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff wrote:
 
 Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the 
 collective 
 wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice.
 
 My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting 
 to 
 research a replacement machine.  My current ham usage for the computer 
 consists 
 of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something 
 that 
 I would be interested in doing.  Recent experience with a new iPad has 
 created a 
 very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that 
 in the 
 old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only.
 
 So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio 
 software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers?
 
 BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these 
 days 
 but I don't really know anything about it.  I can certainly try to learn, 
 however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be 
 able 
 to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration 
 for my 
 wife who is even less techie than I am.
 
 Any and all opinions would be appreciated.
 
 73,
 Paul - N8XMS
 
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[Elecraft] [K2] Setting the AGC Threshold Section of Build

2012-08-24 Thread Don Singer
I am finishing the first phase of my K2 build, and everything has gone 
well up to this point. All resistance and voltage tests are fine.

When I went to set the AGC Threshold as per page 47 of the K2 Manual, I 
got 5.0 volts as the lowest setting I could achieve when adjusting R1 on 
the Control Board , so I followed the instructions at the top of page 48 
and followed the AGC Level Application Note and installed the 15K 
resistor between pins 3 and 4 of RP6 on the Control Board.

The resistance across the 15k resistor, once installed on the Control 
Board on pins 3 and 4, was 3K. I reflowed the solder to see if I could 
get the 3.5k ohms specified on the worksheet, but still got 3K and 
thought that is good enough.

I reassembled the K2 and ran the AGC Threshold section again - but, 
instead of being closer to 3.8 volts, I am now at 6.2 volts as the 
lowest reading I could get. The lowest voltage went up and not down? Why 
is that?

I am not sure if this is meaningful or not so I am holding from moving 
forward until I know if this is an issue, or just move on, or remove the 
15k resistor across pins 3 and 4 of RP6?

Thanks,
Don KF7DS
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Let's end this thread at this time, due to its exceeding the normal reasonable 
level of posts in a day.

73,

Eric
Elecraft List Moderator
www.elecraft.com
_..._



On Aug 24, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Scott Manthe scott.man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also note that identical specs does not mean identical performance or 
 hardware... Anyone who has actually switched from one of those 60% 
 Windows machines to a Mac soon understands the differences.
 
 73,
 Scott, N9AA
 
 
 On 8/24/12 1:15 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:
 
 ...I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis
 in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 
 
 And for those who like this idea, note that you can buy a Windows machine
 with identical specs for about 60% of the price of a Mac.
 
 Tony KT0NY
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Setting the AGC Threshold Section of Build

2012-08-24 Thread Don Wilhelm
Don. measure the voltage at the output side of Control Board 4.  It 
should be in the vicinity  of 8 volts.

I would suggest removing the 15k resistor and checking the voltage at CB 
U2 pin 5.  If that voltage is 3.7 volts or more, that will work out just 
fine.  If lower than 3.7 volts, add back the resistor and set he AGC 
Threshold voltage for somewhere between 3.75 amd 3.8 volts as measured 
at Control Board U2 pin 5.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/24/2012 8:39 PM, Don Singer wrote:
 I am finishing the first phase of my K2 build, and everything has gone
 well up to this point. All resistance and voltage tests are fine.

 When I went to set the AGC Threshold as per page 47 of the K2 Manual, I
 got 5.0 volts as the lowest setting I could achieve when adjusting R1 on
 the Control Board , so I followed the instructions at the top of page 48
 and followed the AGC Level Application Note and installed the 15K
 resistor between pins 3 and 4 of RP6 on the Control Board.

 The resistance across the 15k resistor, once installed on the Control
 Board on pins 3 and 4, was 3K. I reflowed the solder to see if I could
 get the 3.5k ohms specified on the worksheet, but still got 3K and
 thought that is good enough.

 I reassembled the K2 and ran the AGC Threshold section again - but,
 instead of being closer to 3.8 volts, I am now at 6.2 volts as the
 lowest reading I could get. The lowest voltage went up and not down? Why
 is that?

 I am not sure if this is meaningful or not so I am holding from moving
 forward until I know if this is an issue, or just move on, or remove the
 15k resistor across pins 3 and 4 of RP6?

 Thanks,
 Don KF7DS
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

2012-08-24 Thread Anthony Scandurra K4QE
An OS, by itself, is useless without user level tools and applications.

When considering Windows vs. Mac OS vs. Linux, you must consider what apps you 
intend to use with it.

I am a UNIX/Linux bigot. I also like MacOS. But, I use Windows in my ham shack.

Windows is, by far, the most well supported platform for ham radio 
applications. Yes, I could run them in a virtual machine or an emulator in 
another OS, but why?

Don't pick your OS first. Choose the apps you want first and see what the 
common denominator OS is among those applications. Chances are it will be 
Windows.

Don't play religion with OSes. You will be doing yourself a BIG disservice. Be 
pragmatic.

73, Tony K4QE
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[Elecraft] KX3 Utility for Mac and Linux v1.12.8.11

2012-08-24 Thread David Fleming
There are new versions of the Elecraft KX3 Utility for Mac and Linux available 
for download on the Elecraft KX3 Software page.

http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm

The Mac version is now built using Apple's Cocoa framework instead of Carbon.


Advantages to using Cocoa:

1) Accessibility - The main motivation for the conversion is
to provide much better support for accessibility applications 
used by the visually impaired (such as VoiceOver). 

2) Better keyboard support - The program can now 
be controlled entirely from the keyboard 
without having to touch the mouse.

3) Appearance - Although subtle, the Cocoa controls 
have a more Mac-centric appearance.

4) Apple has declared the Carbon APIs deprecated 
in OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (although Carbon apps will still run fine on 
Mountain Lion).

There have been a number of bug fixes for both Mac and Linux. All Mac and Linux 
users should upgrade to this version.

Many thanks to all of the beta testers that helped troubleshoot. Much 
appreciated.

Tnx and 73,

David, W4SMT
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Re: [Elecraft] WvsM

2012-08-24 Thread Adrian
This post would be the most sensible and helpful of the lot.

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Scandurra
K4QE
Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2012 1:13 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

An OS, by itself, is useless without user level tools and applications.

When considering Windows vs. Mac OS vs. Linux, you must consider what apps
you intend to use with it.

I am a UNIX/Linux bigot. I also like MacOS. But, I use Windows in my ham
shack.

Windows is, by far, the most well supported platform for ham radio
applications. Yes, I could run them in a virtual machine or an emulator in
another OS, but why?

Don't pick your OS first. Choose the apps you want first and see what the
common denominator OS is among those applications. Chances are it will be
Windows.

Don't play religion with OSes. You will be doing yourself a BIG disservice.
Be pragmatic.

73, Tony K4QE
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Re: [Elecraft] WvsM

2012-08-24 Thread Gary Gregory
*Tony,

Very wise advice, let's hope many take it...:-)
Gary
*
On 25 August 2012 14:24, Adrian vk4...@bigpond.com wrote:

 This post would be the most sensible and helpful of the lot.

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Scandurra
 K4QE
 Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2012 1:13 PM
 To: Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac

 An OS, by itself, is useless without user level tools and applications.

 When considering Windows vs. Mac OS vs. Linux, you must consider what apps
 you intend to use with it.

 I am a UNIX/Linux bigot. I also like MacOS. But, I use Windows in my ham
 shack.

 Windows is, by far, the most well supported platform for ham radio
 applications. Yes, I could run them in a virtual machine or an emulator in
 another OS, but why?

 Don't pick your OS first. Choose the apps you want first and see what the
 common denominator OS is among those applications. Chances are it will be
 Windows.

 Don't play religion with OSes. You will be doing yourself a BIG disservice.
 Be pragmatic.

 73, Tony K4QE
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