Re: [Elecraft] SideKar vs PX3

2015-07-29 Thread Ken Alexander
Interesting, I just ordered a KX3 and PX3 yesterday!  I didn't realize that 
there were provisions to plug a keyboard into a PX3, or is this a future thing?

I visited the QRPworks website and their products were one of the reasons why I 
chose the KX3/PX3 over an Anan-10.  If Elecraft is planning to provide for the 
addition of a keyboard then I'm even happier about my decision.

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS



On Wed, 7/29/15, steve sm.shearer...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: [Elecraft] SideKar vs PX3
 To: ELECRAFT reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2015, 8:33 AM
 
 I am looking at purchasing a QRPworks
 SideKar display and USB keyboard 
 terminal to use with my KX3.  I guess I have given up
 waiting for the 
 keyboard for the PX3.  Does anyone have experience with
 the QRPworks 
 products and in particular, the SideKar?  I like the
 idea of macros and 
 messages that allow for serial numbers.  I am not sure
 about logging as 
 paper seems fine, but a data file would make it easy to
 enter contacts 
 into LoTW.   My K1EL K42 CW Keyboard also
 does serial numbers and can 
 embed the callers callsign into the message.  I CAN use
 the K1EL 
 keyboard for CW but it won't work for PSK31 or RTTY with the
 KX3 using a 
 key input as the KX3 only will do PSK31/RTTY with a paddle
 (why not 
 keyer generated input?).  Since I want to do PSK31 with
 a keyboard, I 
 may be stuck with a SideKar without the ability of the PX3
 to handle a 
 keyboard (and serial numbers)...
 What are others using for PSK31 portable (no computer) with
 your KX3?
 
 73, steve WB3LGC
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[Elecraft] Email address is

2015-07-29 Thread Mike Weir
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[Elecraft] K3's Selling Yet?

2015-07-29 Thread Jose Rivera
Now that people are getting their new K3s' I was wondering when will the K3 
community begin to sell their
K3? I thought I'd see the selling begin by now. I might want to get one of 
those K3.

 

 

Jose B Rivera
KX3 #7791

N2LRB

 

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[Elecraft] FS Alexloop Walkham antenna

2015-07-29 Thread Mike Weir
This antenna has been used at most 4 times and I am selling as it's just not 
being used as much as I would like. It is in mint condition and works great! 
Price is 280.00 U.S including shipping. 
Please email off list at ve3...@hotmail.com.
VE3WDM
Mike Weir
  
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[Elecraft] K3 and Acom 2000A

2015-07-29 Thread tom
 
I have tried the various configurations shown in the Acom 2000A manual to
connect the CAT input on the Acom to the RS232 Connector on the K3. Using a
Y cable and their pinout takes down the RS232 between the radio and
computer. Anyone been successful at this?
 
Tom Taormina, K5RC
Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN
Storey County ARES, KS7AA
www.w7rn.com http://www.w7rn.com  
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Upgrades for the K3

2015-07-29 Thread Don Wilhelm

Sorry, but that is the parts listing.

Go to www.elecraft.com opening page and look at the top (below the 
banner) for K3S FAQ  and click that link.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2015 10:42 AM, William Lagerberg wrote:

I think it’s here :

http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts

William Pe1bsb





On 29 Jul 2015, at 16:08, Nr4c n...@widomaker.com wrote:

Check the FAQ, Jack!

Web site, top of page is a FAQ on the new K3S.  I believe it has info on this.

Sent from my iPad

...bc  nr4c




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[Elecraft] K3 Internal 2 meter module and external 432 transverter.

2015-07-29 Thread Bruce Osterberg

Good Morning:

With the Two meter Module installed in the K3, can the Elecraft external 
432 transverter still be used and selected.  And is the IF of the 432 
Transverter now down converted to 144 or to 28 MHZ.


Thank you.

Bruce N9BX 73


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Internal 2 meter module and external 432 transverter.

2015-07-29 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bruce,

The internal 2 meter option has no direct relationship with the use of 
external transverters - other than the settings in the XVn --- menu 
items in the K3.

If you are talking about the Elecraft XV432, the IF is 28 MHz.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2015 11:50 AM, Bruce Osterberg wrote:

Good Morning:

With the Two meter Module installed in the K3, can the Elecraft 
external 432 transverter still be used and selected.  And is the IF of 
the 432 Transverter now down converted to 144 or to 28 MHZ.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3's Selling Yet?

2015-07-29 Thread Phil Hystad
They have been selling already in an almost steady stream of postings here
on Elecraft and a few other places.

73, phil, K7PEH



 On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Jose Rivera n2...@n2lrb.com wrote:
 
 Now that people are getting their new K3s' I was wondering when will the K3 
 community begin to sell their
 K3? I thought I'd see the selling begin by now. I might want to get one of 
 those K3.
 
 
 
 
 
 Jose B Rivera
 KX3 #7791
 
 N2LRB
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3's Selling Yet?

2015-07-29 Thread Ian Kahn
Jose,

Keep an eye on this list. There have been a few for sale over the last
several weeks.

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK
On Jul 29, 2015 1:31 PM, Jose Rivera n2...@n2lrb.com wrote:

 Now that people are getting their new K3s' I was wondering when will the
 K3 community begin to sell their
 K3? I thought I'd see the selling begin by now. I might want to get one of
 those K3.





 Jose B Rivera
 KX3 #7791

 N2LRB



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Re: [Elecraft] SideKar vs PX3

2015-07-29 Thread Brian Waterworth
Warning - long response

One thing I have found on my quest to have a portable station is a portable
computer, screen, and keyboard.  My premise is that the kx3 may not be
ready for a complete psk31 solution with either the px3 or the sidekar.
I'll come back to this quest in a moment.

At present, it doesn't seem that the kx3 applies afc to incoming digital
transmissions, like psk31.  Keeping a frequency lock on psk31 signals tends
to require multiple presses of the cwt button during a qso to instruct the
kx3 to re-tune to a psk31 signal.  You will miss portions of the
transmission because of this.  I don't believe this variance can be
corrected by the kx3 as these variances may be at the other ham's
transmission end or due to atmospheric  conditions.  I believe that to
really get the most out of psk31, you need afc at the receiver end.  The
kx3 doesn't have it.  My premise is that unless the kx3 has afc, using the
internal psk decoder is for emergency purposes and having some fun.  More
frequent amd fulfilling psk operations will, at this time, need to be with
an external program.  I am open to other view points, but I find the kx3
and any associated programs that help you access the onboard digital
features lacks afc, usability, and agility one needs when operating psk31.

I tried various programs to reach the nirvana I enjoy on my main shack
computer and other digital programs (e.g., fldigi, dm780).  I found an
application that is OK,  but the program needs usability enhancements and
it seems the author has gone quiet on new features and improvements.  The
program is PSKer on an iPad.  It has the afc feature.  This helps greatly.
It has macros, but even these as not as flexible as programs like fldigi.
If you are used to selecting the call sign of a potential qso from the
receive decode window, you won't be able to do it.  Search and pounce is
much harder to do when you have to take the time to remember a call sign
and type it into another field while the receive window is scrolling.
Fldigi and dm780 will allow a quick click of the mouse and the call sign is
ready to be used in any macro that references this field.

Now let's turn to the question about the USB port on the px3 and the
connection of a keyboard.  I contend that unless the kx3 adds more psk
features like those of the mainstream programs found on various platforms,
the addition of a keyboard for psk qso's as decoded by the kx3 may not be
useful.  I actually don't like my premise as I was excited too about the
possibility of a keyboard attached to thw px3.  But what would I use it
for?  The aforementioned usability concerns and lack of afc in the kx3
doesn't provide me with the utility I thought I was going to get from the
kx3/px3 combo.  If there is another use for a keyboard that I have missed,
I would love to hear it.

My first setup I use for psk is psker, iPad air, apple Bluetooth keyboard
and I connect the kx3 to the iPad using an apple camera adapter
(essentially a lightning based usb port) and a griffin iMic.  Actually any
USB sound card will likely be OK for psk.  Why a Bluetooth keyboard?  The
iPad keyboard obscures almost half of the screen.  Not very good when you
are trying to remember a call sign to type into a field that you can't even
see when the pop up keyboard displays.  Consequently, an external keyboard
is essential.  Tablet Application developers for our ham apps are not
creating apps that are usable on tablets when the onscreen keyboard pops
up.  By the way, PSKer can only do psk31.

The second computer setup I am working on is a little more work, but I am
hopeful will be more usable with the programs I love to use (fldigi).  It
is a raspberry pi2, wireless adapter for the pi, iPad air, apple bluetooth
keyboard and kx3.  The difference is that I use the iPad as a screen for
the pi via vnc.  I use the ipad touch screen as the mouse.  I connect the
ipad to the pi using an ad hoc wireless connection.  I connect the griffin
imic to the pi instead of the ipad.  The pi operates on just over an amp
hour and can run off of a mophie spare battery pack for a few hours.  I am
working up to more serious portable power in the future and recent
conversations on this reflector have been very helpful.  With this setup, I
have access to many more digital modes and afc.  I can also use my macros
from the main shack computer for field day or contest operations.  My
initial work has met with success and so far this second portable computer
setup is much more usable.  But, a challenge is that you will need to know
about Linux and setting up wireless networks.  Not the easiest thing on the
pi, but with Google and a little patience, it is possible.

I think even the sidekar may not meet your digital needs.  I am sure the
sidekar does more and my apologies to the designers if I have under
represented it's capabilites.  I saw the sidekar at Dayton in 2014 and
wondered why I would need it over a px3, especially with the px3 firmware
upgrade 

[Elecraft] [KX3] DATA A v SSB maximum receiver bandwidth not as wide.

2015-07-29 Thread David Anderson
Experimenting with the KX3 on WSJT FSK441 and JT65b I noticed looking at the 
spectral display of band noise that with the bandwidth widened fully out on 
DATA A Mode that even though it was displaying 4 KHz on the KX3 LCD, the 
bandwidth of the audio was less, like 400 Hz to 3600 Hz. 

On SSB mode it was possible to get the full 4 KHz by suitable manipulation of 
the width and centre frequency. 

It is useful on JT65 on EME if you are running a pileup from a rare DXCC to 
have stations spread out and having the full 4 KHz is beneficial then. Under 
normal circumstances not at all important, but I was just curious why DATA A 
mode is not giving the full 4 KHz while the SSB mode is. 

If I am missing some setting that is causing this please enlighten me. 

(I prefer using DATA A to the SSB Mode on WSJT as it does things like turn off 
TX equalisation and compression and other things like NR on RX which might 
upset WSJT).

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Acom 2000A

2015-07-29 Thread Val

Tom,

The Y cable shown there is just an example.  For a particular 
transceiver one have to refer to the pinouts shown on the next pages 
of the ACOM 2000A manual. For K3 a male DB9 connector have to be used 
on the place of the female connector shown on the generic Y cable 
picture. That mirrors the pins as you can see on the K3 cable diagram 
(Fig. 7-6).
Should you have more questions, please do not hesitate to write to 
a...@acom-bg.com


73, Val LZ1VB






I have tried the various configurations shown in the Acom 2000A 
manual to
connect the CAT input on the Acom to the RS232 Connector on the K3. 
Using a
Y cable and their pinout takes down the RS232 between the radio 
and

computer. Anyone been successful at this?

Tom Taormina, K5RC
Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN
Storey County ARES, KS7AA
www.w7rn.com http://www.w7rn.com



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Re: [Elecraft] P3TX Mon

2015-07-29 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Yes, P3 f/w v1.5  is up on the website at:
http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm

As with all of our s/w, it is a download from the site for the P3 and is not 
included with the P3TXMON kit.


73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 7/29/2015 4:42 AM, W4CCS wrote:

Has the new firmware been posted for the TX Monitor options or will it come
with the kit itself..?

Clyde Scott - W4CCS

Moultrie, GA EM81cg

  


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Re: [Elecraft] K3's Selling Yet?

2015-07-29 Thread Merv Schweigert

Ebay has not been listing many,   the place they are showing up is on
QTH.COM classifieds and Eham classifieds,   has been a number of
them there,
Prices vary from more than what they paid for them new to reasonable
adjusted for cost of updates etc.   Correct priced ones are gone fast,
others linger for sale for weeks and weeks.

Merv K9FD/KH6


Suggest you check ebay ...

73!

Ken - K0PP
On Jul 29, 2015 11:30 AM, Jose Rivera n2...@n2lrb.com wrote:


Now that people are getting their new K3s' I was wondering when will the
K3 community begin to sell their
K3? I thought I'd see the selling begin by now. I might want to get one of
those K3.





Jose B Rivera
KX3 #7791

N2LRB



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Re: [Elecraft] K3's Selling Yet?

2015-07-29 Thread Ken G Kopp
Suggest you check ebay ...

73!

Ken - K0PP
On Jul 29, 2015 11:30 AM, Jose Rivera n2...@n2lrb.com wrote:

 Now that people are getting their new K3s' I was wondering when will the
 K3 community begin to sell their
 K3? I thought I'd see the selling begin by now. I might want to get one of
 those K3.





 Jose B Rivera
 KX3 #7791

 N2LRB



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[Elecraft] P3/SVGA Beta 1.50/1.24 now available (P3TXMON)

2015-07-29 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ
New BETA firmware for the P3/SVGA is available for download from  HERE
ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/P3/firmware/beta/P3-0150_SVGA-0124BETA.zip  

This release includes support for the new Elecraft P3TXMON accessory board.  
Please refer to the  P3/SVGA Manual Rev E
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740152%20P3%20Owner's%20man%20Rev%20E.pdf  
and the  P3TXmon Installation Guide
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740271%20TX%20Mon%20Option%20Installation%20Rev%20A.pdf
  
for more information. 

Note: if you are upgrading your SVGA to the new 1.24 beta, you do not have
to download the fpga files as they have not changed. 

The release notes for these revisions:

MCU 01.50 / 7-27-2015

* Added support for the transmitter monitor module.  Added a new TXMonMenu
sub-menu with  entries: CW Split (enable split screen for CW mode), Mtr
En (turn on the analog meter display),
MtrScale (set power meter full scale), Mod En (turn on the modulation
envelope display), ModScale (set time/div of modulation display),
SensorCal (RF power calibration, separate for each sensor type)
and TX hang (delay time when the transceiver goes from transmit to
receive). 
* Added an additional middle-sized font selection of 7 x 11 pixels.
* The waterfall parameters for the external display are now different from
the main display. The following new entries have been added to the SVGA
menu sub-menu: SVGA WfEn
 (turns the waterfall on/off or sets it to track the main display), SVGA
WfAv (waterfall averaging on/off), SVGA WfCo (waterfall color map), SVGA
WfHt (waterfall height), and SVGA WfMk (waterfall markers on/off).
* Supports preamplifier number 2 of the KXV3B (which is standard in the
K3S).



P3SVGA 01.24 / 7-27-2015

* Added Noise Blanker. 
* Developed a faster method of detecting K3 transmit/receive state changes.  
* Added data terminal ‘send on space’ to the available data TX modes.  
* Added replay of keyboard input using Ctrl-Alt-R.  Ctrl-C will clear replay
buffer.
* Added ‘\r’ to embed a CR in text message. Use ‘\\’ to send a single ‘\’. 
* Added ‘\c’ to embed an incrementing serial counter in a text message. 
Clearing/presetting counter may be done in the setup screen (Ctrl-Alt-S). 
* Text messages sent in data terminal mode now respect the mode setting
(VOX, CR, ^T). 
* Fixed a bug in data terminal mode that was causing the time-out to not
reset correctly. 
* Fixed a bug in data terminal mode that was causing non-existent characters
to be retrieved and sent.  Also fixes a bug of missing characters. 
* Fixed a problem that caused some SVGA boards to not initialize correctly
from P3 commands at boot. 
* Added waterfall cursors, these display exactly as they do on the P3
screen.


73, 

Paul N6HZ





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[Elecraft] SideKar vs PX3

2015-07-29 Thread Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft
 What are others using for PSK31 portable (no computer) with your KX3?
KX3 Companion app on a 7 Android tablet (Nexus 7). I just use the tablet's 
virtual keyboard, although I think some use Bluetooth keyboards. The app's 
author uses the Rapoo e6300 Bluetooth keyboard. 

73 Ryan AI6DO
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[Elecraft] Windows 10 Bug

2015-07-29 Thread Bob McGraw - K4TAX


This may be worth investigation pertaining to the K3S USB application.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guH0NMRRTAowidehd=1

It affects audio through USB when running digital modes.

73
Bob, K4TAX



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Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 Bug

2015-07-29 Thread TJ Campie
Joe,
You are correct when the input device has been enumerated as a microphone 
input, which is the bug. Without clearing the bug forcing windows to 
enumerate it as a line in device, 100 on the slider is indeed adding gain. 

However after clearing the bug, it's now enumerated as a line in device and 100 
on the slider is 0db, even if it reads +30 (the UI and dialogue box still 
thinks this is a microphone input device, this is part of the bug). This was 
verified by feeding a reference signal of a known level into the chip and 
obtaining a known output level, confirming 100 on the slider is indeed 0db of 
gain/attenuation AFTER clearing the bug. 

This behaviour is confirmed by TI themselves in this whitepaper: 
http://www.ti.com/lit/an/sbfa020/sbfa020.pdf 

If you have a signal generator I highly recommend feeding a reference level 
signal into a device using the chip and measuring the output yourself AFTER 
clearing the bug. Remember, you are correct that the slider value will add gain 
when it's been incorrectly enumerated as a microphone device. Measure a 
reference input signal AFTER clearing it. Hope that helps the confusion

73
TJ W0EA
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Re: [Elecraft] FS Alexloop Walkham antenna

2015-07-29 Thread VE3WDM
Good evening everyone, the Alexloop has been sold but thanks for all the
replies. 
Mike 
VE3WDM



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Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 Bug

2015-07-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


The individual posting this does not know what he's talking
about.  His instruction to set the microphone level to 100%
is completely *wrong*.

Right click on the microphone slider and set the display for
*dB*.  In Windows 7 the microphone slider scale will range
from -196.0 dB at 0 to +30 dB at 100% while in Windows 8.1
the scale will be -96.0 dB to +30.0 dB.

Negative gain levels represent attenuation in the CODEC while
positive gain levels represent excess gain.  Sands is completely
*wrong* when he says any value below 100% represents attenuation.
In fact *any* dB value above 0.0 represents *GAIN* in the
CODEC.

The best recommendation for setting USB levels for any microphone
input supported by the Windows USB Audio Class driver is:

- go to Control Panel | Sound | Recording tab, double click on
  Microphone - USB Audio Codec device
- on the Levels tab, right click on the microphone slider and
  set the units to *dB*
- adjust the slider for 0.0 dB +/- 0.5 dB - this will typically
  be 3% in Windows 7 and 54% in Windows 8.1
- tune to strong carrier (S9+)
- watch VU meter on Recording tab and adjust output level from the
  radio (typically the RX pot on the interface - Line Out in the
  K3/K3S) to 2 bars below full scale. If it not possible to reach
  2 bars below full scale (the K3/K3S has plenty of excess drive)
  increase the level slider slightly until signal is no more than
  2 bars below full scale.

I no longer have working XP or Vista systems and do not recommend
the use of obsolete operating systems.  However, the same procedure
(adjust for 0.0 +/- 0.5 dB) should also work with XP and Vista to
prevent overdrive and clipping there.

In any operating system, a 0 dB input gain setting will provide the
best balance of dynamic range and sensitivity in a sound card with
properly designed audio input circuits.  Audio from the transceiver
should be set so the no-signal sky noise is about 15 dB above the
noise floor of the CODEC and the strongest signals no more than 2
bars below the top of the VU Meter to prevent clipping.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-29 11:13 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:


This may be worth investigation pertaining to the K3S USB application.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guH0NMRRTAowidehd=1

It affects audio through USB when running digital modes.

73
Bob, K4TAX



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[Elecraft] DB9 connectors, now DE9 connectors

2015-07-29 Thread Raymond METZGER
Hi everybody,

Many thanks also to John KX4O, Robert KC5WA and Lynn WB6UUT for their
e-mails. I agree that DB9 is an incorrect designation, but many
professionals use it, even some famous ones, .. e. g. Elecraft ! In my
KPA100 and KAT100 manuals, the DB9 designation is used in the parts list.
I also agree with Jim, K9YC about the docking station : my laptop is
dedicated to the portable traffic and my wife thinks that the K2/100 +
KAT100 +PSU + Mike +Headset + portable Antenna + Laptop +.. is already too
much for the trunk, specially if we have some grandchildren with us !

Before to put the Hands on, I will spent more time in checking the various
vendors suggestions I received through the Reflector.
Have a good day and 73 !

Ray, F4FNT

P.S. Since I receive the Reflector via the daily Digest, I didn't receive
all the answers on same day.


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[Elecraft] Wanted internal 144 Moduke or External 432 transverter

2015-07-29 Thread Bruce Osterberg

Good Morning:

If you bought an internal  2 meter kit for your K3 But never installed 
it and want to sell it, or the external 432 transverter kit, I would 
like to buy it for my K3.  I can pay by Paypal right away.  It would 
join my Present K3 #7XXX on its upgrade path to a K3S.  Please contact 
me off list.  Thank you.  Bruce N9BX 73

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Re: [Elecraft] Is there a good reason to buy a K3S

2015-07-29 Thread dyarnes

Hi All,

The question has probably already been answered by several good posts.  It 
really seems to boil down to convenience, and maybe a little difference in 
money.


Elecraft has NOT made the K3 obsolete.  The K3S, for the most part, is just 
a repackaged K3.  There is an advantage to the K3S, however, in that many of 
the items that are add-ons to the K3, are now built into the K3S.  Some of 
those features may not even be important to you, and if not, why spend the 
extra money?  Still, an all inclusive package will be very appealing to many 
which is perfectly understandable.  In essence, you have even more 
choices!!!  Significantly better performance, however, is not obtainable by 
buying a K3S as long as you upgrade your K3 appropriately.


I have a fairly early serial number K3.  Over time I have added the various 
upgrades and accessories.  I recently acquired the new syn boards, and 
probably will upgrade the DSP when that becomes available.  From everything 
I've read there is apt to be no significant improvement that a K3S would 
give me over my older K3.  If I want, I can even add the USB option to my 
K3.  So, what little difference is out there between my upgraded K3 and a 
new K3S, actually boils down to a significant cost differential, and for 
very little noticeable difference.  My K3 is performing very well, and I 
know of no reason why that will change anytime soon.  It gets very hard to 
justify that unless money is no object.  I have to say, though, that I do 
like the idea of not having my 6 meter pre-amp hanging off the back of the 
radio!  Maybe a K3S is in my future too, but right now it doesn't seem to 
make much sense.


A lot depends, I suppose, on what happens to pricing for used K3's.  You 
definitely would want the new syn boards, so the price for a used K3 without 
them should reflect that absence accordingly.  It does make shopping for a 
used K3 a bit more complicated.  That fact alone may cause you to go the K3S 
route so you don't have to worry about it.  However, if you already have a 
K3, and are just considering upgrading models, I'd probably recommend 
against it.  That's the trap that other manufacturers get you into, but 
not Elecraft.  The TS-590 may be a good example.  The new SG model is 
significantly improved.  I think there was some sort of upgrade process for 
older models, but I don't think it went all the way to SG equivalency--not 
in the way a K3 can be upgraded to nearly identical specs to the K3S. 
Anyway, if that is not a good example, there are plenty of others that do 
make this point.


In short, it would be pretty hard to make a bad decision, either way.  The 
biggest difference between the two choices is apt to be money, but if it 
buys you the convenience you really want, then probably it is worth it.  For 
that matter, the cost differential, spread over the life of the radio, 
becomes pretty insignificant.  Probably not enough to get a brain cramp 
over!


Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] Is there a good reason to buy a K3S

2015-07-29 Thread Gary
Well thought out answer by Dave. Makes a whole lot of sense.

My K3 has been updated as much as possible at this stage and is almost ready to 
be shipped back to me, I thinks so anyway.

I think I will just keep the upgrades happening, I am way too attached to my 
baby now.

-Original Message-
From: dyarnes w7...@cox.net
Sent: ‎29/‎07/‎2015 7:52 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is there a good reason to buy a K3S

Hi All,

The question has probably already been answered by several good posts.  It 
really seems to boil down to convenience, and maybe a little difference in 
money.

Elecraft has NOT made the K3 obsolete.  The K3S, for the most part, is just 
a repackaged K3.  There is an advantage to the K3S, however, in that many of 
the items that are add-ons to the K3, are now built into the K3S.  Some of 
those features may not even be important to you, and if not, why spend the 
extra money?  Still, an all inclusive package will be very appealing to many 
which is perfectly understandable.  In essence, you have even more 
choices!!!  Significantly better performance, however, is not obtainable by 
buying a K3S as long as you upgrade your K3 appropriately.

I have a fairly early serial number K3.  Over time I have added the various 
upgrades and accessories.  I recently acquired the new syn boards, and 
probably will upgrade the DSP when that becomes available.  From everything 
I've read there is apt to be no significant improvement that a K3S would 
give me over my older K3.  If I want, I can even add the USB option to my 
K3.  So, what little difference is out there between my upgraded K3 and a 
new K3S, actually boils down to a significant cost differential, and for 
very little noticeable difference.  My K3 is performing very well, and I 
know of no reason why that will change anytime soon.  It gets very hard to 
justify that unless money is no object.  I have to say, though, that I do 
like the idea of not having my 6 meter pre-amp hanging off the back of the 
radio!  Maybe a K3S is in my future too, but right now it doesn't seem to 
make much sense.

A lot depends, I suppose, on what happens to pricing for used K3's.  You 
definitely would want the new syn boards, so the price for a used K3 without 
them should reflect that absence accordingly.  It does make shopping for a 
used K3 a bit more complicated.  That fact alone may cause you to go the K3S 
route so you don't have to worry about it.  However, if you already have a 
K3, and are just considering upgrading models, I'd probably recommend 
against it.  That's the trap that other manufacturers get you into, but 
not Elecraft.  The TS-590 may be a good example.  The new SG model is 
significantly improved.  I think there was some sort of upgrade process for 
older models, but I don't think it went all the way to SG equivalency--not 
in the way a K3 can be upgraded to nearly identical specs to the K3S. 
Anyway, if that is not a good example, there are plenty of others that do 
make this point.

In short, it would be pretty hard to make a bad decision, either way.  The 
biggest difference between the two choices is apt to be money, but if it 
buys you the convenience you really want, then probably it is worth it.  For 
that matter, the cost differential, spread over the life of the radio, 
becomes pretty insignificant.  Probably not enough to get a brain cramp 
over!

Dave W7AQK


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[Elecraft] P3TX Mon

2015-07-29 Thread W4CCS
Has the new firmware been posted for the TX Monitor options or will it come
with the kit itself..?

 

Clyde Scott - W4CCS

Moultrie, GA EM81cg

 

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[Elecraft] SideKar vs PX3

2015-07-29 Thread steve
I am looking at purchasing a QRPworks SideKar display and USB keyboard 
terminal to use with my KX3.  I guess I have given up waiting for the 
keyboard for the PX3.  Does anyone have experience with the QRPworks 
products and in particular, the SideKar?  I like the idea of macros and 
messages that allow for serial numbers.  I am not sure about logging as 
paper seems fine, but a data file would make it easy to enter contacts 
into LoTW.   My K1EL K42 CW Keyboard also does serial numbers and can 
embed the callers callsign into the message.  I CAN use the K1EL 
keyboard for CW but it won't work for PSK31 or RTTY with the KX3 using a 
key input as the KX3 only will do PSK31/RTTY with a paddle (why not 
keyer generated input?).  Since I want to do PSK31 with a keyboard, I 
may be stuck with a SideKar without the ability of the PX3 to handle a 
keyboard (and serial numbers)...

What are others using for PSK31 portable (no computer) with your KX3?

73, steve WB3LGC
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Re: [Elecraft] Is there a good reason to buy a K3S

2015-07-29 Thread Don Wilhelm

David,

A very good analysis.
I agree completely that the K3S is an upgrade to the K3, and an existing 
K3 can be upgraded to almost the equal of the K3S - the RF board cannot 
be upgraded, but just about all the other changes can be incorporated 
into your K3 should that be desirable.


I consider this upgrade to be similar to what happened to the K2 at 
serial number 3000.  The boards were redesigned, and all the prior 
upgrades were incorporated into the new boards.  The older A level 
boards could be upgraded with the kits provided by Elecraft, and there 
were only a few minor differences between an upgraded A level K2 and the 
newer B level.


I believe Elecraft is unique in allowing customers to upgrade to the 
latest level by providing upgrade kits at a modest price.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2015 5:51 AM, dyarnes wrote:
  That's the trap that other manufacturers get you into, but not 
Elecraft.  The TS-590 may be a good example.  The new SG model is 
significantly improved.  I think there was some sort of upgrade 
process for older models, but I don't think it went all the way to 
SG equivalency--not in the way a K3 can be upgraded to nearly 
identical specs to the K3S. Anyway, if that is not a good example, 
there are plenty of others that do make this point.




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Re: [Elecraft] Upgrades for the K3

2015-07-29 Thread William Lagerberg
I think it’s here :

http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts

William Pe1bsb




 On 29 Jul 2015, at 16:08, Nr4c n...@widomaker.com wrote:
 
 Check the FAQ, Jack!
 
 Web site, top of page is a FAQ on the new K3S.  I believe it has info on this.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 ...bc  nr4c
 
 On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Joe W2KJ w...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Howdy Gang:
 
 Is there info on the Elecraft website that describes what new boards will be 
 available for the K3 to make it almost a K3S, i.e., new synthesizer, new 
 audio/DSP board, etc, etc.
 
 I skimmed over the website but must have missed the info.
 
 Many thanks for any assistance.
 !
   73, Joe W2KJ
   I QRP, therefore I am
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Upgrades for the K3

2015-07-29 Thread Nr4c
Check the FAQ, Jack!

Web site, top of page is a FAQ on the new K3S.  I believe it has info on this.

Sent from my iPad

...bc  nr4c

 On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Joe W2KJ w...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Howdy Gang:
 
 Is there info on the Elecraft website that describes what new boards will be 
 available for the K3 to make it almost a K3S, i.e., new synthesizer, new 
 audio/DSP board, etc, etc.
 
 I skimmed over the website but must have missed the info.
 
 Many thanks for any assistance.
 !
73, Joe W2KJ
I QRP, therefore I am
 
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