Re: [Elecraft] BL-2 Balun Enclosure

[Clay Autery]

http://www.jaycar.us/Enclosures-&-Panel-Hardware/Plastic-Boxes/ABS---Sealed/Dark-Grey-Enclosure-with-Mounting-Flange---171%28W%29-x-121%28D%29-x-55%28H%29mm/p/HB6125

IP65 - water resistant to direct water hose spray, dust-proof.
Just ordered one for my Sevick-inspired 6:1 TLT.

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On 3/10/2016 12:18 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> I would be interested in what others have used for enclosures, especially
> ones that are waterproof.
>
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[Elecraft] BL-2 Balun Enclosure

[Terry Brown]

I have just ordered a BL2 balun kit.  I assume it is a voltage balun
switchable 1:1 to 4:1.  I did not see any notation whether it was a current
or voltage balun.  One of the things I need is an enclosure for the balun.
I would be interested in what others have used for enclosures, especially
ones that are waterproof.

 

Thanks,

 

Terry, N7TB

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[wb4jfi]

The Ublox GPS units (like the Neo-6 and NEO-7) are not great for this 
application.  Their master oscillators are an oddball frequency (as far as 
freq standards go, IIRC 48MHz?).  That doesn't divide evenly to 10MHz, so 
there is some jitter component at 10MHz output.  Not what you want for a 
reference signal.


I've used a used commercial-grade GPSDO that I found used, and an HP3801A 
from ebay, both less than $100.


I've also purchased rubidium-based units, Efratom LPRO-101 from ebay for 
about $75 each.


There are several other GPS-based thingies that aren't "disciplined" for 
pretty good prices.  The older Trimble units are usually good.  Hams Summers 
of QRPLabs.com sells a QLG1 for about $23 that seems to be usable - I think. 
I've got one for my QRP Labs beacon.  You might want to look at the specs 
for the SKM1 GPS module on his board.


There are many designs for GPS disciplined oscillators, and many inexpensive 
GPS receivers out there.  Make sure their 10MHz output is stable.  However, 
if you want "portability", or your shack can't easily see the sky, you might 
want to check out the various rubidium oscillators instead.  I'm sure you 
can find a TON more info on the timenuts forum.


Also be careful with the 10MHz reference signal distribution, it can play 
havoc with the 30 Meters band (and 10MHz WWV), especially it it's a ratty 
square wave.

73, Terry, N4TLF



-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Cozens

Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 5:51 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

Am 09.03.2016 um 18:37 schrieb Gary Smith:

What external 10-MHz reference signal source might I find get that is
not terribly expensive that will do the proper job and allow me to
get this working?


You can look for a GPS disciplined oscillator (GPSDO), an FE-5680 Rubidium
based oscillator, or look for some of the lesser expensive GPS receiver
modules that have 10MHz outputs.

A GPSDO can be expensive but there are some more affordable ones if you look
around. FE-5680's used to be available around $100US (or less if you got
lucky). Lately the prices seem to have gone up for these devices, and they
tend to be power hungry. There are some GPS receiver modules that have GPS
receiver blocks on them made by companies such as Ublox. Take a look for GPS
receiver devices that are meant to be used as part of a flight control
system for radio controlled aircraft (or what some people call drones).

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Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[Richard W. Solomon]

The Trimble Thunderbolt is locked to the GPS system, which derives it's
reference 
from Cesium standards initially, but I believe now they have Rubidium
standards 
that are locked to a master reference.

Someone who knows more about the GPS system can chime in on this.

In any case, the T-Bolt 10 MHz reference output is about the best you can
get 
unless you want to spring for an HP Cesium standard or maybe a Hydrogen
Maser ??

I have two active ones plus one I built using the N1JEZ design. I have a
third 
one boxed up with a power supply and distribution amp that I can loan out to

friends.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of HankP
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 8:50 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

As a casual observer of this thread - does the oscillator have to be
precisely 10 mhz to a zillion decimal places  OR does it just need to be
close to 10 mhz and verry stable ? 

Years ago hams used to build 10 mhz xtal oscillators/buffers  - put them in
a thermos bottle - dig a post hole and bury the thing about 4 feet deep - it
was pretty stable just xtal aging and needed lo noise stable DC. 

Hank K7HP 
 

- Original Message -
Am 09.03.2016 um 18:37 schrieb Gary Smith:
>> What external 10-MHz reference signal source might I find get that is 
>> not terribly expensive that will do the proper job and allow me to 
>> get this working?

You can look for a GPS disciplined oscillator (GPSDO), an FE-5680 Rubidium
based oscillator, or look for some of the lesser expensive GPS receiver
modules that have 10MHz outputs.

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Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[Clay Autery]

A... mann!!  Now that I know I can build one fairly easily, I
may have to do that instead of getting the Leo Bodnar Low-Jitter, custom
low phase noise XTAL version...

http://www.force12inc.com/products/gps-locked-precision-frequency-reference-low-jitter-gps-clock-450-hz-to-800-mhz-output-custom-low-phase-noise-xtal-version.html


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On 3/9/2016 9:13 PM, W Paul Mills wrote:
> Little more work than a kit, but you may want to look at this.
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[Don Wilhelm]

Hank,

It needs to be 10 MHz and very stable.
If it is not right on 10 MHz, it will still lock, but the K3 frequency 
will be off as much as the reference is different than 10 MHz.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/9/2016 10:49 PM, HankP wrote:

As a casual observer of this thread - does the oscillator have to be
precisely 10 mhz to a zillion decimal places  OR does it just need
to be close to 10 mhz and verry stable ?

Years ago hams used to build 10 mhz xtal
oscillators/buffers  - put them in  a thermos bottle - dig a post hole
and bury the thing about 4 feet deep - it was pretty stable
just xtal aging and needed lo noise stable DC.




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Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[HankP]

As a casual observer of this thread - does the oscillator have to be
precisely 10 mhz to a zillion decimal places  OR does it just need 
to be close to 10 mhz and verry stable ? 

Years ago hams used to build 10 mhz xtal 
oscillators/buffers  - put them in  a thermos bottle - dig a post hole
and bury the thing about 4 feet deep - it was pretty stable
just xtal aging and needed lo noise stable DC. 

Hank K7HP 
 

- Original Message -
Am 09.03.2016 um 18:37 schrieb Gary Smith:
>> What external 10-MHz reference signal source might I find get that is
>> not terribly expensive that will do the proper job and allow me to
>> get this working?

You can look for a GPS disciplined oscillator (GPSDO), an FE-5680 Rubidium 
based oscillator, or look for some of the lesser expensive GPS receiver 
modules that have 10MHz outputs.

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Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[Richard W. Solomon]

You can't beat a surplus Trimble Thunderbolt. Everything in one small box, 
the power supply is available on e-Pay as well as the antenna.

Once upon a time they were cheap, like $20 cheap. But the supply is drying 
up. They are still a bargain at $125 though.

I bought a few when they were plentiful.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W Paul
Mills
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 8:14 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference


Little more work than a kit, but you may want to look at this.


On 03/09/2016 06:55 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> 
> Udo & Kevin,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I hadn't researched any of the options, I 
> thought the K3EXREF was all I needed. Now that I have a better idea 
> what to look for, I'll find something. I just need to be sure it fits
> 
> what the requirements are.
> 
> I'm surprised to find almost all the sources are from China. I know 
> they are trying ever more to make better products but something as 
> precise as a 10 MHz standard that will be connected to my K3s, 
> concerns when me buying from an unknown manufacturer. QC is always a 
> concern. Sure wish there was an affordable kit with the proper 
> connections that was available.
> 
> If anyone has a 10 MHz reference signal source that works fine with 
> the K3 & is excess to their needs, please contact me off list.
> 
> Thanks & 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[W Paul Mills]

Little more work than a kit, but you may want to look at this.


On 03/09/2016 06:55 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> 
> Udo & Kevin,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I hadn't researched any of the options, I 
> thought the K3EXREF was all I needed. Now that I have a better idea 
> what to look for, I'll find something. I just need to be sure it fits 
> 
> what the requirements are.
> 
> I'm surprised to find almost all the sources are from China. I know 
> they are trying ever more to make better products but something as 
> precise as a 10 MHz standard that will be connected to my K3s, 
> concerns when me buying from an unknown manufacturer. QC is always a 
> concern. Sure wish there was an affordable kit with the proper 
> connections that was available.
> 
> If anyone has a 10 MHz reference signal source that works fine with 
> the K3 & is excess to their needs, please contact me off list.
> 
> Thanks & 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[Gary Smith]

Udo & Kevin,

Thanks for the reply. I hadn't researched any of the options, I 
thought the K3EXREF was all I needed. Now that I have a better idea 
what to look for, I'll find something. I just need to be sure it fits 

what the requirements are.

I'm surprised to find almost all the sources are from China. I know 
they are trying ever more to make better products but something as 
precise as a 10 MHz standard that will be connected to my K3s, 
concerns when me buying from an unknown manufacturer. QC is always a 
concern. Sure wish there was an affordable kit with the proper 
connections that was available.

If anyone has a 10 MHz reference signal source that works fine with 
the K3 & is excess to their needs, please contact me off list.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J

> Am 09.03.2016 um 18:37 schrieb Gary Smith:
> >> What external 10-MHz reference signal source might I find get that is
> >> not terribly expensive that will do the proper job and allow me to
> >> get this working?
> 
> You can look for a GPS disciplined oscillator (GPSDO), an FE-5680 Rubidium 
> based oscillator, or look for some of the lesser expensive GPS receiver 
> modules that have 10MHz outputs.
> 
> A GPSDO can be expensive but there are some more affordable ones if you look 
> around. FE-5680's used to be available around $100US (or less if you got 
> lucky). Lately the prices seem to have gone up for these devices, and they 
> tend to be power hungry. There are some GPS receiver modules that have GPS 
> receiver blocks on them made by companies such as Ublox. Take a look for GPS 
> receiver devices that are meant to be used as part of a flight control 
> system for radio controlled aircraft (or what some people call drones).
> 
> -- 
> Cheers!
> 
> Kevin.
> 
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> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172  | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
>  | powerful!"
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 <-> K3S and Remoterig

[Andy Wood]

After no response from the group I sent my question to support and received
the following reply:

"There are no compatibility issue with the K3 controlling the K3S (or K3S
controlling the K3). The K3 will react as if it was the K3S."

Once again, great customer support.

Andy  VK4KY 



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Re: [Elecraft] WTB: K3/0 Mini

[Michael Blake]

Hi Bill, I too use the Pignology PigRemote to control my remote KX3 and ALS-600 
and have done soft some time.  I can control it from a Windows or Mac laptop or 
tablet, an iPad and an iPhone form home, in the car, in a restaurant or hotel 
wherever I have internet access.  No computer is required at the radio location 
nor is any type of specialized radio remote hardware at the Florida location.

The Pignology software supports the Elecraft hardware VERY well and cost very 
little. Total cost under $300 for everything.

Take a look at my QRZ page (k9jri) for a picture of it.

73 - Mike - K9JRI



> On Mar 8, 2016, at 10:04 AM, wa8...@charter.net wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>   I would like to try a remote setup from my Florida location that is
> antenna restricted. To that end I am looking for a used K3/0 Mini to
> experiment with. If anyone has a unit excess to their needs, please
> let me know.
> 
>   Bill
> 
>   WA8CDU
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Re: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on a K3?

[Doug Ellmore]

I have my 2nd receiver tapped and use a Funcube Pro dongle with NAP3
version 5.  The main VFO I use Win4K3 with LP-PAN2 and a Steinburg UR22 USB
192Khz sound card.

The funcube pro is a less expensive option for taking your IF out and
getting your Panadapter working for either your main receiver or a second
receiver, or both.

Due to some limitations of the radio control software in the K3, you can
not get the subreceiver frequency displayed correctly.  What you can do is
watch a second band or up/down the same band, then use A/B to send VFOB to
VFOA for further inspection.  I find it useful for FD to use the K3 on 6m
and 2m in this manner.  I also in a contest can be running on one band and
then S&P with the VFOB.

73

Doug NA1DX


Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 01:04:06 -0700 (MST)
From: Greg VK3VT 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on a K3?
Message-ID: <1457424246842-7615025.p...@n2.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Ross (W6FG)

You could get an LP Pan panadapter (http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html)
and this will allow you receive on a second frequency on your computer using
the VFO B knob to tune (distance from VFO A determined by the sound card you
use - panadapter bandwidth can be up to 192KHz).  You can also listen to the
VFO A frequency applying different filtering and noise reduction techniques
to those set up on your K3.

73
Greg VK3VT

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[Elecraft] K3 <--> K3 with RemoteRig

[Fred Jensen]

I'm using my K3 to control the remote K3 at W7RN.  Works find on CW and 
SSB, haven't tried AFSK, but it might work there too.  I use a WinkeyUSB 
to key the RemoteRig [two pins on the rear RJ-45].


I'm putting an end-fed all-band wire on the back fence for times when 
the remote is down or the station has an on-site effort going on.  My 
Winkey has two key outputs.  Can I connect KEY2 to my control K3 key 
jack and just leave it there?  I'm trying to reduce the amount of 
rewiring of the "wireless" to go from remote to local operation.


73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
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Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[Kevin Cozens]

Am 09.03.2016 um 18:37 schrieb Gary Smith:

What external 10-MHz reference signal source might I find get that is
not terribly expensive that will do the proper job and allow me to
get this working?


You can look for a GPS disciplined oscillator (GPSDO), an FE-5680 Rubidium 
based oscillator, or look for some of the lesser expensive GPS receiver 
modules that have 10MHz outputs.


A GPSDO can be expensive but there are some more affordable ones if you look 
around. FE-5680's used to be available around $100US (or less if you got 
lucky). Lately the prices seem to have gone up for these devices, and they 
tend to be power hungry. There are some GPS receiver modules that have GPS 
receiver blocks on them made by companies such as Ublox. Take a look for GPS 
receiver devices that are meant to be used as part of a flight control 
system for radio controlled aircraft (or what some people call drones).


--
Cheers!

Kevin.

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Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172  | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
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Re: [Elecraft] WTB: K3/0 Mini

[Cady, Fred]

You can also do it for free.  check out www.remotehams.com.  download the 
RCForb client and you can play with radios around the world.  You can even play 
with mine (sometimes).
Cheers,
Fred KE7X
'

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From: Elecraft  on behalf of Kenneth 
Christiansen 
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:51 PM
To: wa8...@charter.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WTB: K3/0 Mini

Hi Bill

I know this is not the exact answer to your question but I plan to operate my 
home K3S this summer from my camping locations using the Verizon network. My 
solution may work for you too. I bought the PIGREMOTE from PIGNOLOGY and so far 
have it working within my house. I can send and receive SSB, CW and PSK31 
across my WIFI from one room to another. My next step will be to use their 
recommended Internet address finder to get it to work on the Verizon network. I 
have two busy volunteering days starting in about 2 hours so I will let you 
know how that works just as soon as I have time to work on it.

I liked the PIGREMOTE price of about $270 for everything including the cables 
to hook up to the K3, the WIFI and shipping. They include programs for Windows, 
iMac and the iPad. I find I like the iPad program best and it will fit my 
camping situation better but the Windows program works well and I was pleased 
with it before I set up the iPad and found that to be even more powerful.

I expect to have the K3 be able to work 160 through 10 meters, switch antennas 
between the vertical and beam and use my separate receive antenna this summer. 
The only project that I need to build yet to do all that will be a logic 
circuit to add a loading coil for 160 driven by the ACC jack on the K3.

Look it over and see if it will work for you.

73

Ken.   W0CZ
w0cz at i29 dot net

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>
>I would like to try a remote setup from my Florida location that is
> antenna restricted. To that end I am looking for a used K3/0 Mini to
> experiment with. If anyone has a unit excess to their needs, please
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Re: [Elecraft] WTB: K3/0 Mini

[Kenneth Christiansen]

Hi Bill

I know this is not the exact answer to your question but I plan to operate my 
home K3S this summer from my camping locations using the Verizon network. My 
solution may work for you too. I bought the PIGREMOTE from PIGNOLOGY and so far 
have it working within my house. I can send and receive SSB, CW and PSK31 
across my WIFI from one room to another. My next step will be to use their 
recommended Internet address finder to get it to work on the Verizon network. I 
have two busy volunteering days starting in about 2 hours so I will let you 
know how that works just as soon as I have time to work on it.

I liked the PIGREMOTE price of about $270 for everything including the cables 
to hook up to the K3, the WIFI and shipping. They include programs for Windows, 
iMac and the iPad. I find I like the iPad program best and it will fit my 
camping situation better but the Windows program works well and I was pleased 
with it before I set up the iPad and found that to be even more powerful.

I expect to have the K3 be able to work 160 through 10 meters, switch antennas 
between the vertical and beam and use my separate receive antenna this summer. 
The only project that I need to build yet to do all that will be a logic 
circuit to add a loading coil for 160 driven by the ACC jack on the K3.

Look it over and see if it will work for you.

73

Ken.   W0CZ
w0cz at i29 dot net

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> On Mar 8, 2016, at 9:04 AM, wa8...@charter.net wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>I would like to try a remote setup from my Florida location that is
> antenna restricted. To that end I am looking for a used K3/0 Mini to
> experiment with. If anyone has a unit excess to their needs, please
> let me know.
> 
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[Elecraft] K3/0-Mini + RemoteRIg package is SOLD

[Jim Spears]

Title tells it all.  it is on its way to Arizona.

 

Jim/N1NK

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Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[Udo Langenohl - DK5YA]

Gary,

there is a huge amount of sources available, i.e.

http://world.taobao.com/item/42336500072.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4004-11814489530.4.1iUOwV

or

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10MHZ-OUTPUT-Square-WAVE-GPS-DISCiPLINED-CLOCK-GPSDO-with-Antenna-power-supply-/171813807811

or

http://www.force12inc.com/products/gps-locked-precision-frequency-reference-low-jitter-gps-clock-450-hz-to-800-mhz-output-custom-low-phase-noise-xtal-version.html

and many more.

73 Udo, DK5YA


Am 09.03.2016 um 18:37 schrieb Gary Smith:

I ordered the K3EXREF and thought it was the oscillator itself which
would provide the external signal source to the K3s. I thought this
was all I was going to need but I see now that is not the case.
Looking on the Elecraft order page, they don't sell a reference
source.

What external 10-MHz reference signal source might I find get that is
not terribly expensive that will do the proper job and allow me to
get this working?

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J


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[Elecraft] 10 MHz external reference

[Gary Smith]

I ordered the K3EXREF and thought it was the oscillator itself which 
would provide the external signal source to the K3s. I thought this 
was all I was going to need but I see now that is not the case. 
Looking on the Elecraft order page, they don't sell a reference 
source.

What external 10-MHz reference signal source might I find get that is 
not terribly expensive that will do the proper job and allow me to 
get this working?

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J


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[Elecraft] Feature Request: Assert KX3 ACC2 GPIO line on tune

[Bruce Nourish]

Hi folks,

I'm building an Arduino-based mag-loop autotuner, and I have a feature
request for better integration with the KX3. Would it be possible to create
a new mode for the ACC2 GPIO line, to go high when the radio is in
transmitting a carrier in response to a user pushing TUNE, and low at all
other times (specifically including when the user pushes ATU tune)? I'm
open to more sophisticated or bidirectional communication on that line too,
but this seems like an easy place to start.

I don't have a K3, and I don't know which ACC line would be most suitable
for that radio, but if this is a good idea for the KX3, please consider a
similar request for this feature on that radio.

Thanks!

Bruce
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Re: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on a K3?

[Milt -- N5IA]

This is an open invitation to Joe, W4TV, to contact me.  I have been unable 
to get a response from you Joe, for the past 4 months, by sending direct 
E-mails.


Please contact me.  Thank you.

Milt, N5IA


-Original Message- 
From: Joe Subich, W4TV

Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 7:17 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on a K3?


On 3/8/2016 3:04 AM, Greg VK3VT wrote:


You could get an LP Pan panadapter
(http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html)
and this will allow you receive on a second frequency on your
computer using the VFO B knob to tune (distance from VFO A
determined by the sound card you use - panadapter bandwidth can be up
to 192KHz).


This can be accomplished by any quality SDR with the appropriate
software (there are multiple approaches). There are several newer
SDR hardware devices that are less expensive than the LP-Pan and
sound card combination that are not tied to somewhat unstable
drivers.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

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