[Elecraft] New KX3 firmware also improves AF gain & monitor control granularity

2017-04-27 Thread Wayne Burdick
This revision also improves the granularity of the AF gain and monitor level 
controls. Steps at the low end are about half the size as before.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Apr 27, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Rev. 2.70 KX3 firmware unintentionally reduced the max AF gain setting for 
> both speaker and headphones. (We improved the granularity of the AF GAIN 
> control at the low end but didn’t get around to scaling the high end back up 
> to the original level.)
> 
> If you were affected by this and would like to try the field test release 
> (rev. 2.76), please email me directly. 
> 
> This rev also includes the new “ATU DATA” menu entry, which gives you two 
> full sets of per-band ATU data for use when running the KX3 “barefoot” 
> (without the KXPA100/KXAT100). Typically one set would be used at home, the 
> other in the field. If you do a lot of outings, this can save you the trouble 
> of re-matching all of your antennas when you get home. Another use for this 
> is with two different antennas for a given band.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Experiences using a portable HF loop

2017-04-27 Thread WD4SDC
Last post didn't go thru...trying again...

I've had good results using LMR400 (outer conductor) and an air dielectric
tuning cap which will handle the 10-15W power of a KX3.  In some informal
testing comparing a 6 foot diameter loop and a 1/4 wave wire antenna (40
meters) using a car chassis as a counterpoise, the loop beat the wire by 5dB
(NVIS path) (C/N on spectral display).

How efficient is the loop? I don't know - not as efficient as a 4" diameter
copper pipe 6 foot loop, but I do know it's relative ;)

A mobile whip is *very* inefficient.  The loop in this case is generally
*less* inefficient :)
You can make contacts on both.

K4HKX did a very detailed comparison of loop antennas with full dipoles and
other HF antennas.  He posted his results here:

qrz.com/db/k4hkx

Very interesting read.

I'm playing around with a mobile loop idea for 80 and 40 meters using the
KX3.  If it works as good as I think it will, it should give me about the
same performance as adding a KXPA100 - or not... that's why playing with ham
radio is fun.

73's
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[Elecraft] New KX3 firmware available that restores original AF gain level

2017-04-27 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi all,

Rev. 2.70 KX3 firmware unintentionally reduced the max AF gain setting for both 
speaker and headphones. (We improved the granularity of the AF GAIN control at 
the low end but didn’t get around to scaling the high end back up to the 
original level.)

If you were affected by this and would like to try the field test release (rev. 
2.76), please email me directly. 

This rev also includes the new “ATU DATA” menu entry, which gives you two full 
sets of per-band ATU data for use when running the KX3 “barefoot” (without the 
KXPA100/KXAT100). Typically one set would be used at home, the other in the 
field. If you do a lot of outings, this can save you the trouble of re-matching 
all of your antennas when you get home. Another use for this is with two 
different antennas for a given band.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread KG7FYI
Nothing like beating a dead horse to hamburger to make friends :) I've 
made some excellent private contacts through this so a win in the end. 
Thanks for intervening. Like all communities there's the rough and the 
polished. Thanks for letting it go long enough for me to learn a few 
things.

73

Stan
Never Does Nature Say One Thing and Wisdom Another
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Stanley Petrowski KG7FYI
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On 04/27/2017 06:14 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Looks like we've beaten this OT thread to death. Let's let it rest for 
> now.
> Thread closed.
>
> 73,
> Eric
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> On 4/27/2017 4:02 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> > Yes, anyone is allowed to use any mode or frequency in an emergency, 
> by FCC rules.
> >
> > But…
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[Elecraft] Current MARS Radio

2017-04-27 Thread Darryl J Kelly
Current MARS radio is contingency support for the government
especially emergency communications in a very bad day, such as massive
power grid loss. Phone patch usage is minimal.
Unfortunately the K3 is not highly recommended for MARS use as it does
not have full power output from 2 to 30 Mhz. Low end radios from Icom,
Kenwood, and Yaesu with TCXOs and full coverage from 2 to 30 Mhz are
all that is needed. Encrypted digital and ALE are currently used as
well as SSB voice.
MARS has greatly evolved in the last few years and it is not what it
was 40 or 50 years ago.
Darryl, KK5IB
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Using Heil Pro7 with KX3 / KXPA100 / PX3 combo

2017-04-27 Thread Walter Underwood
You can split out the PTT with an off-the-shelf stereo to mono splitter. More 
details in this blog post.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/
 


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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 6:00 PM, kevino z  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone using the KX3 / KXPA100 / PX3 with a Heil Pro7 ?
> 
> I'm curious if I need to buy adapters or anything (other than a foot switch) 
> as I know the PTT will be disabled or the plug shorts out the TRRS Mic socket 
> in the KX3. I assume there is a way to hook the footswitch to the system (via 
> KXPA100?)
> 
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Kevin (KK4YEL)
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Looks like we've beaten this OT thread to death. Let's let it rest for now. 
Thread closed.


73,
Eric
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On 4/27/2017 4:02 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

Yes, anyone is allowed to use any mode or frequency in an emergency, by FCC 
rules.

But…



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[Elecraft] [KX3] Using Heil Pro7 with KX3 / KXPA100 / PX3 combo

2017-04-27 Thread kevino z
Is anyone using the KX3 / KXPA100 / PX3 with a Heil Pro7 ?

I'm curious if I need to buy adapters or anything (other than a foot switch) as 
I know the PTT will be disabled or the plug shorts out the TRRS Mic socket in 
the KX3. I assume there is a way to hook the footswitch to the system (via 
KXPA100?)



thanks,

Kevin (KK4YEL)


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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) - SPAM

2017-04-27 Thread Jamie WW3S
Different "Stan" .Read from the bottom up for the correct Stan

On Apr 27, 2017 3:31 PM, stan levandowski  wrote:
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> I just got an insulting email from "Ken Kopp" under Rose's address - 
>  clearly someone has mined the elecraft list.  I know Ken and Rose.  Ken 
> would not close by explaining to me what "73" means in CW ;-)
>
> It also says it was in a "response" to one of my emails. I haven't sent 
> any emails about the the subject of Mormons.
>
> There were no links to open but it was impossible for me (I'm no expert) 
> to differentiate this email from any legitimate list message.
>
> No harm done here.
>
> 73, Stan WB2LQF
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I agree. I live probably 100 miles north of Harry, near Newport on the Oregon 
Coast. I have participated in a number of simulated emergency tests (SETs) 
anticipating the eventual Cascadia event with big earthquake and tsunami. 

First, I anticipate that everyone would be living in an RV/Trailer or out of a 
car because not many homes (or other structures) will survive a 9+ earthquake 
without serious damage, if they are left standing at all.

So my SET operations are based on the assumption that energy will be precious. 
I have yet to run more than 100 watts into an end-fed wire strung between two 
trees. Often I ran only 20 watts with my K2. I have always been able to work 
over ranges of 50 to 1,000 miles using the best band for the time of day and 
sun cdx, especially if I revert to a digital mode. IMX voice traffic is 
tedious, slow and inefficient compared to just about any digital messaging 
system from CW to any of the more exotic modes now popular. I can sit at a 
table with various various incident commanders or team leaders using my 
keyboard to send traffic without interrupting their conversations. 

The one "frill" I like is a battery powered printer so that incoming traffic 
can be printed and handed over to the others there immediately. 

73, Ron AC7AC 

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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

I’m curious about running a 500 W amp on emergency power.

Expectations for a severe Cascadia earthquake include power outages for at 
least six months. Batteries and gasoline generators won’t last that long. That 
is a lot of amp to run off of solar. It needs roughly 1000 VA when transmitting.

I would focus on easy to erect antennas with some gain. For your 10 meter net, 
a Moxon beam would give 3 to 4 dB gain, about half the the 7 dB gain from a 100 
to 500 W increase. And it helps on receive, too, unlike an amp. Even with a 
mast or tower, it would be much, much cheaper than a KPA500.

http://www.innovantennas.com/our-antennas/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/455/virtuemart_category_id/4.html
 

http://www.wb5cxc.com/10mmoxon.html 

I expect your local emcomm organizations already have frequency plans. From 
QRZ, it looks like you are in a valley, so you might plan for NVIS antennas. 
These are usually easy to put up, because they are low wire antennas.

Another option would be a directional wire antenna. For example, if you are 
primarily communicating with Roseburg, then a 40m wire beam or “ZL special” 
phased beam might work well. 

One bright spot about widespread power outages—you won’t have much RFI! That 
could allow working with much lower power than usual.

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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Matt Zilmer  wrote:
> 
> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's Manual.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt W6NIA
> 
> 
> On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> 28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just fine 
>> there (Mine does) That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as 
>> it tends to be a calling frequency of sorts and even though they may 
>> not hear you you may hear them
>> 
>>   From: KG7FYI 
>>  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
>>Thanks for all the input.
>> I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a 
>> loose cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type 
>> of emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is 
>> to have as many options as possible available for our small 
>> community. We have been submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M 
>> equipment to be better integrated into the ARES net system here. On 
>> the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ 
>> which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable at all, hence my hope to 
>> scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES certification to 
>> qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to see where 
>> we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll make 
>> contact on my own. Thanks.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Stanley Petrowski

Words of wisdom. That ranks high with me, Ron.
Fortunately this is not my first rodeo and such are the times. I'm 
willing to be beat over the head and shoulders if I learn what I came 
here for. :)


73, Stan KG7FYI


On 04/27/2017 04:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

I routinely use the delete key for such outbursts and try to avoid judging
someone by their worst comment.

73, Ron AC7AC

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KG7FYI
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:58 PM
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Thanks Joe. I am learning but the entitlement attitude is a new one for me.
I'll have to figure that one out.


On 04/27/2017 11:18 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:

On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:

On the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ
which is not open on my K3.

You obviously do not know how to operate your K3 (probably a failure
to red the manual) since 28.400 MHz is squarely within the amateur
10 meter band and works just fine with a stock K3, K3S - even the K2,
KX2 and KX3.

Again, I certainly hope you learn more about amateur radio and get
rid of the entitlement attitude.

73,

 ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:


Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a

loose

cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to

have as

many options as possible available for our small community. We have

been

submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES

usually

also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not

reasonable

at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done

ARES/RACES

certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our

club to

see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time

also I'll

make contact on my own. Thanks.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Nr4c
28.400 is part of SSB phone bandplan and should be usable on any K3 or other HF 
radio. 

FM is usually operated above 29.00 I believe, but you need the 13KHz filter for 
FM. 

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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 9:18 AM, KG7FYI  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the input.
> I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
> cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
> many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
> submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
> also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
> at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
> certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
> see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
> make contact on my own. Thanks.
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I routinely use the delete key for such outbursts and try to avoid judging
someone by their worst comment. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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Thanks Joe. I am learning but the entitlement attitude is a new one for me.
I'll have to figure that one out.


On 04/27/2017 11:18 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>
> On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
> > On the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ
> > which is not open on my K3.
>
> You obviously do not know how to operate your K3 (probably a failure
> to red the manual) since 28.400 MHz is squarely within the amateur
> 10 meter band and works just fine with a stock K3, K3S - even the K2,
> KX2 and KX3.
>
> Again, I certainly hope you learn more about amateur radio and get
> rid of the entitlement attitude.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all the input.
> > I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a 
> loose
> > cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> > emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to 
> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have 
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES 
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not 
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done 
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our 
> club to
> > see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time 
> also I'll
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread KG7FYI
Thanks K2ULR. I have fond memories of calling home from Okinawa in '64 
via MARS. It was a fantastic service to the troops. Now I hear there is 
very little of that going on. Satellite internet seems to be the rage. 
We do have several MARS folks in our club and one in the immediate area 
of concern.

73


On 04/27/2017 02:37 PM, Raymond Sills [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Good points.  And, besides that.. MARS communication deals with a 
> military connection.. i.e. sending messages to or from deployed 
> service people, either as written text (morse, digital, etc) or voice, 
> often via phone patches.
>
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
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>
>
>
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> On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
> > I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
> > provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
> > MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
> > licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
> > limitation of band width.
>
> If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
> However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
> are strictly amateur based.  In essence, operate within your amateur
> authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.
>
> Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Walter Underwood
Yes, anyone is allowed to use any mode or frequency in an emergency, by FCC 
rules.

But…

* If you are relying on something you’ve never used to work for you in an 
emergency, that is wishful thinking. We perform down to our training, not up to 
our wishes.
* Most likely, no one will be listening on those other frequencies.
* You will spend a long time explaining to the FCC why none of the many bands 
available to amateurs were usable.

I recommend becoming familiar with the IARU region 2 emergency center of 
activity frequencies. This is where comms will be in a big emergency.

3750 kHz
3895 kHz
7240 kHz
7275 kHz
14300 kHz (global)
18160 kHz (global)
21360 kHz (global)

http://www.arrl.org/files/media/News/R2_LF-MF-HF_Bandplan_2010.pdf 


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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 3:43 PM, KG7FYI  wrote:
> 
> I'm all about the rules. The last thing I would want to see is the chaos 
> that is found on some bandwidths. That said, when life and limb are 
> perishing the rule is getting a signal out when and how you can.
> 
> s
> 
> 
> On 04/27/2017 08:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>> On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
>>> I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
>>> provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
>>> MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
>>> licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
>>> limitation of band width.
>> 
>> If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
>> However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
>> are strictly amateur based.  In essence, operate within your amateur
>> authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.
>> 
>> Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
>> been licensed more than a couple of years - the current examinations
>> obviously don't stress that the rules trump any entitlement.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>... Joe, W4TV
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread KG7FYI
Thanks Joe. I am learning but the entitlement attitude is a new one for 
me. I'll have to figure that one out.


On 04/27/2017 11:18 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>
> On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
> > On the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ
> > which is not open on my K3.
>
> You obviously do not know how to operate your K3 (probably a failure
> to red the manual) since 28.400 MHz is squarely within the amateur
> 10 meter band and works just fine with a stock K3, K3S - even the K2,
> KX2 and KX3.
>
> Again, I certainly hope you learn more about amateur radio and get
> rid of the entitlement attitude.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
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> > Thanks for all the input.
> > I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a 
> loose
> > cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> > emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to 
> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have 
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES 
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not 
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done 
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our 
> club to
> > see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time 
> also I'll
> > make contact on my own. Thanks.
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread KG7FYI
Thanks W6NIA. I will check asap.


On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's 
> Manual.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
> > 28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just 
> fine there (Mine does)
> > That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a 
> calling frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you 
> may hear them
> >
> >From: KG7FYI <[hidden email] 
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> > Thanks for all the input.
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> loose
> > cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> > emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to 
> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have 
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES 
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not 
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done 
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our 
> club to
> > see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread KG7FYI
Thanks for that input. I must have some setting wrong then. I am not 
even able to navigate to 28.400 on my rig.



On 04/27/2017 09:29 AM, Bob Nielsen-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Your K3 should be able to operate between 28.0 and 29.7 MHz on the 10
> meter band, no modification required.
>
> Bob, N7XY
>
>
> On 4/27/17 9:18 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all the input.
> > I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a 
> loose
> > cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> > emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to 
> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have 
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES 
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not 
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done 
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our 
> club to
> > see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time 
> also I'll
> > make contact on my own. Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread KG7FYI
I'm all about the rules. The last thing I would want to see is the chaos 
that is found on some bandwidths. That said, when life and limb are 
perishing the rule is getting a signal out when and how you can.

s


On 04/27/2017 08:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
> > I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
> > provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
> > MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
> > licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
> > limitation of band width.
>
> If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
> However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
> are strictly amateur based.  In essence, operate within your amateur
> authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.
>
> Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
> been licensed more than a couple of years - the current examinations
> obviously don't stress that the rules trump any entitlement.
>
> 73,
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Raymond Sills
Good points.  And, besides that.. MARS communication deals with a military 
connection.. i.e. sending messages to or from deployed service people, either 
as written text (morse, digital, etc) or voice, often via phone patches.  


73 de Ray
K2ULR




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From: Joe Subich, W4TV 
To: elecraft 
Sent: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 11:36 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
> I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
> provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
> MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
> licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
> limitation of band width.

If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
are strictly amateur based.  In essence, operate within your amateur
authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.

Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
been licensed more than a couple of years - the current examinations
obviously don't stress that the rules trump any entitlement.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Walter Underwood
I’m curious about running a 500 W amp on emergency power.

Expectations for a severe Cascadia earthquake include power outages for at 
least six months. Batteries and gasoline generators won’t last that long. That 
is a lot of amp to run off of solar. It needs roughly 1000 VA when transmitting.

I would focus on easy to erect antennas with some gain. For your 10 meter net, 
a Moxon beam would give 3 to 4 dB gain, about half the the 7 dB gain from a 100 
to 500 W increase. And it helps on receive, too, unlike an amp. Even with a 
mast or tower, it would be much, much cheaper than a KPA500.

http://www.innovantennas.com/our-antennas/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/455/virtuemart_category_id/4.html
 

http://www.wb5cxc.com/10mmoxon.html 

I expect your local emcomm organizations already have frequency plans. From 
QRZ, it looks like you are in a valley, so you might plan for NVIS antennas. 
These are usually easy to put up, because they are low wire antennas.

Another option would be a directional wire antenna. For example, if you are 
primarily communicating with Roseburg, then a 40m wire beam or “ZL special” 
phased beam might work well. 

One bright spot about widespread power outages—you won’t have much RFI! That 
could allow working with much lower power than usual.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Matt Zilmer  wrote:
> 
> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's Manual.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt W6NIA
> 
> 
> On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> 28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just fine there 
>> (Mine does)
>> That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a calling 
>> frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you may hear them
>> 
>>   From: KG7FYI 
>>  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
>>Thanks for all the input.
>> I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
>> cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
>> emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
>> many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
>> submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
>> integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
>> also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
>> at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
>> certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
>> see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
>> make contact on my own. Thanks.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Enhancements for SO2R (was KPA 1500 - SO2R)

2017-04-27 Thread Wayne Burdick
Randy,

I'm pretty sure we could support per-antenna ATU settings for multiple external 
antennas in both KAT500 and KPA1500 firmware. We'd need to get the data from 
the external switch box, or from a computer application.

I'll run this by the QRO product software team. 

73,
Wayne
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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Randy Farmer  wrote:
> 
> I'm changing the topic to more accurately reflect the ongoing discussion.
> 
> I'm also using a KAT500 on each of my two K-lines in my SO2R station, and I 
> too would appreciate a bit more "intelligence" in the KAT500. My fully 
> automated antenna switching arrangement uses a microHAM Double Ten switch, 
> with the control for the two radio ports coming from a Station Master on each 
> radio, so there are only two feedlines that enter the radio room.The antenna 
> switching hardware is concealed in the attic on the other side of the wall 
> from the station. Like everyone else who has attempted to set up a SO2R 
> station using multiband antennas, I've grappled with the problem that the 
> design of all the currently available switching and control hardware 
> explicitly assumes you have separate antennas for each band. For many of us, 
> this just isn't true.
> 
> I mainly use the KAT500 as a line flattener for my 160, 80 and 40 meter 
> antennas; no problem there. But.. I also have a 20-15-10 dipole that I use 
> for the second radio on the high bands. The dipole is pretty low and isn't 
> particularly well matched, especially on 15 and 10. I now have the KAT500 on 
> the secondary radio set up to match the dipole on 20 through 10. However, if 
> I'm running SO2R with the primary radio on 40 and the secondary radio on 20 
> then I'll normally switch my SteppIR to the secondary radio, meaning I have 
> to remember to put the KAT500 in bypass, and then to change it back later. 
> Sometimes I don't. (Mother Nature and Father Time, you know.)
> 
> Even in SO1R mode, I sometimes want to quickly switch to the dipole on the 
> high bands if someone calls me well out of the beam's main lobe. The Station 
> Master makes the actual switching very easy via a keypad on the desk, but in 
> this case I end up with the radio looking into a fairly high VSWR antenna if 
> I don't also manually put the KAT500 in bypass mode. This isn't so good, 
> especially if I'm running the KPA500.
> 
> What would be REALLY NICE would be if there were some way for the KAT500 to 
> know which ANTENNA has been selected, and switch in the appropriate matching 
> solution for that antenna on that band. I don't see any way to do this, given 
> the present architecture. If there were some additional communication channel 
> between the station control hardware and the KAT500 (and other Elecraft 
> products) such as an extended command over the RS232 link in the case of the 
> KAT500 or over the USB link for the KPA1500, conveying both band information 
> and antenna ID could potentially be done. A simple 4 bit band code wouldn't 
> be sufficient, but perhaps an 8 bit word with 4 bits of band information and 
> 4 bits of antenna number would work. Of course, there then remains the 
> not-so-small matter of formatting and transmitting this information packet 
> from a wide variety of station control architectures using hardware from a 
> number of vendors. Perhaps if Elecraft were to pave the way by implementing 
> this capability the makers of the various commercial controllers would be 
> willing to code in support for the feature. Just thinking out loud, and 
> wishing...
> 
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN
> 
> 
>> On 4/25/2017 10:11 PM, Bob wrote:
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>>   No XYL requests involved but in a similar manner I have reduced the 
>> feed lines into the shack.  I have a remote antenna switch system consisting 
>> of an Array Solutions Rat Pack with the Ten Tec interface box.  This is 
>> under control of an Elecraft KRC2 unit.  It saves many feet of coax and 
>> reduces the in shack cable clutter.
>> 
>>   Station is K3, KPA500 and KAT500 and more Elecraft with K2 and KX3. My 
>> issue is I'm not getting full value from the KAT500. It is capable of 
>> switching 3 antennas.  But with a single feed line on position one all else 
>> is lost.  So my request would be to be able select alternative programmed 
>> values by using the KAT 500 antenna switch. Any manually selected antenna 
>> would apply tuner values to the antenna position but ANT 1 would remain 
>> selected. As it is now it works but requires retuning when manually changing 
>> between selected, say, 80 meter antennas and prior values are lost. In 
>> hardware I could do it now but don't want to butcher the KAT500.
>> 
>>   Well beyond my pay grade as I do not know how much reprogramming would 
>> be required in the firmware and utility to select this as an option.
>> 
>>This option could possibly be done in the KPA1500 too. Certainly be a 
>> plus in consideration of the 

Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Enhancement

2017-04-27 Thread Erik Basilier
Doing the switching outside the amplifier box may be an easier and more 
economical way to achieve that isolation. There may be further economy as well 
as simplification to be had if this switching hardware is combined as a single 
product with the antenna selection switch (2 antennas out of 6 etc). While some 
may be happy running without tuner, many would want duplicated tuners external 
to the shared amplifier. Incorporating separate tuners would not impose 
additional RF switching requirements, but possibly some additional 
considerations relating to the control scheme. Of course, the user would want 
to be able to purchase the amp without built-in tuner.

73.
Erik K7TV

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Igor 
Sokolov
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:00 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Enhancement

May I mention that for SO2R in the same box the isolation should be in order of 
80db for  1500 w power level.

This is not that easy to obtain.

73, Igor UA9CDC


27.04.2017 7:59, Erik Basilier пишет:
> Of course, in an SO2R scenario where the shared amplifier alternates 
> between two different bands with every transmission, a shared ATU 
> would exercise the relays a lot. Separate tuners might be needed in 
> order to avoid the relays wearing out.
>
> 73,
> Erik K7TV
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Cook
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:45 PM
> To: Thomas Donohue 
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Enhancement
>
> If that were to happen then adding a second 15-way connector at the 
> same time to said module to allow two K3/K3s to drive the one amp 
> through each respective antenna input and matched output would start 
> this amp towards the "basic" SO2R path.  From there a smart 2x6 
> antenna switching unit some well designed BPF filters and your well on 
> your way.  The rest of the magic is then just firmware (says he that 
> writes said firmware every day) within the upgraded processor the KPA1500 has 
> been blessed with.
>
> I'm fingers crossed..
>
> 73
>
> Matthew
> VK5ZM
>
> On 26 April 2017 at 22:37, Thomas Donohue  wrote:
>
>> Hi to all:
>>
>> Wayne or Eric. Are there any plans or thoughts about adding a second 
>> RF input to the amp, similar to what the Yaesu VL-1000 has?
>>
>> Best 73,
>> Tom/W1QU
>>
>>
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[Elecraft] Enhancements for SO2R (was KPA 1500 - SO2R)

2017-04-27 Thread Randy Farmer

I'm changing the topic to more accurately reflect the ongoing discussion.

I'm also using a KAT500 on each of my two K-lines in my SO2R station, 
and I too would appreciate a bit more "intelligence" in the KAT500. My 
fully automated antenna switching arrangement uses a microHAM Double Ten 
switch, with the control for the two radio ports coming from a Station 
Master on each radio, so there are only two feedlines that enter the 
radio room.The antenna switching hardware is concealed in the attic on 
the other side of the wall from the station. Like everyone else who has 
attempted to set up a SO2R station using multiband antennas, I've 
grappled with the problem that the design of all the currently available 
switching and control hardware explicitly assumes you have separate 
antennas for each band. For many of us, this just isn't true.


I mainly use the KAT500 as a line flattener for my 160, 80 and 40 meter 
antennas; no problem there. But.. I also have a 20-15-10 dipole that I 
use for the second radio on the high bands. The dipole is pretty low and 
isn't particularly well matched, especially on 15 and 10. I now have the 
KAT500 on the secondary radio set up to match the dipole on 20 through 
10. However, if I'm running SO2R with the primary radio on 40 and the 
secondary radio on 20 then I'll normally switch my SteppIR to the 
secondary radio, meaning I have to remember to put the KAT500 in bypass, 
and then to change it back later. Sometimes I don't. (Mother Nature and 
Father Time, you know.)


Even in SO1R mode, I sometimes want to quickly switch to the dipole on 
the high bands if someone calls me well out of the beam's main lobe. The 
Station Master makes the actual switching very easy via a keypad on the 
desk, but in this case I end up with the radio looking into a fairly 
high VSWR antenna if I don't also manually put the KAT500 in bypass 
mode. This isn't so good, especially if I'm running the KPA500.


What would be REALLY NICE would be if there were some way for the KAT500 
to know which ANTENNA has been selected, and switch in the appropriate 
matching solution for that antenna on that band. I don't see any way to 
do this, given the present architecture. If there were some additional 
communication channel between the station control hardware and the 
KAT500 (and other Elecraft products) such as an extended command over 
the RS232 link in the case of the KAT500 or over the USB link for the 
KPA1500, conveying both band information and antenna ID could 
potentially be done. A simple 4 bit band code wouldn't be sufficient, 
but perhaps an 8 bit word with 4 bits of band information and 4 bits of 
antenna number would work. Of course, there then remains the 
not-so-small matter of formatting and transmitting this information 
packet from a wide variety of station control architectures using 
hardware from a number of vendors. Perhaps if Elecraft were to pave the 
way by implementing this capability the makers of the various commercial 
controllers would be willing to code in support for the feature. Just 
thinking out loud, and wishing...


73...
Randy, W8FN


On 4/25/2017 10:11 PM, Bob wrote:

Hi Bill,

   No XYL requests involved but in a similar manner I have reduced 
the feed lines into the shack.  I have a remote antenna switch system 
consisting of an Array Solutions Rat Pack with the Ten Tec interface 
box.  This is under control of an Elecraft KRC2 unit.  It saves many 
feet of coax and reduces the in shack cable clutter.


   Station is K3, KPA500 and KAT500 and more Elecraft with K2 and 
KX3. My issue is I'm not getting full value from the KAT500. It is 
capable of switching 3 antennas.  But with a single feed line on 
position one all else is lost.  So my request would be to be able 
select alternative programmed values by using the KAT 500 antenna 
switch. Any manually selected antenna would apply tuner values to the 
antenna position but ANT 1 would remain selected. As it is now it 
works but requires retuning when manually changing between selected, 
say, 80 meter antennas and prior values are lost. In hardware I could 
do it now but don't want to butcher the KAT500.


   Well beyond my pay grade as I do not know how much 
reprogramming would be required in the firmware and utility to select 
this as an option.


This option could possibly be done in the KPA1500 too. 
Certainly be a plus in consideration of the KPA1500  which seems to 
have less in that there are only 2 antenna selections available.


73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) and K2TKR



On 4/25/2017 4:14 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
My most wonderful and understanding wife has requested that the 
number of
"wires" coming into the house be minimized. To accommodate her 
wishes, I have an
external antenna switch. It would be very nice if all the Elecraft 
tuners could
take an externally provided antenna ID to use to recall the antenna 
tuning
parameters. A 4 bit "band ID" would be ideal, but a command 

Re: [Elecraft] (OT) - SPAM

2017-04-27 Thread stan levandowski

AH.  My fault!  I jumped to conclusions!  My apologies to Ken


On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 03:35 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:


Hi Stan,

Different Stan, unless he sent a separate one from the one he sent to 
the list. The Stan to which he refers is clearly a very new ham (see 
the quoted message below his).

Vy 73,

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Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: bu...@brannan.name





On Apr 27, 2017, at 3:31 PM, stan levandowski  wrote:

I just got an insulting email from "Ken Kopp" under Rose's address - 
clearly someone has mined the elecraft list.  I know Ken and Rose. 
Ken would not close by explaining to me what "73" means in CW ;-)


It also says it was in a "response" to one of my emails. I haven't 
sent any emails about the the subject of Mormons.



There were no links to open but it was impossible for me (I'm no 
expert) to differentiate this email from any legitimate list message.



No harm done here.


73, Stan WB2LQF
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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) - SPAM

2017-04-27 Thread Buddy Brannan
Hi Stan,

Different Stan, unless he sent a separate one from the one he sent to the list. 
The Stan to which he refers is clearly a very new ham (see the quoted message 
below his). 

Vy 73,

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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 3:31 PM, stan levandowski  wrote:
> 
> I just got an insulting email from "Ken Kopp" under Rose's address -  clearly 
> someone has mined the elecraft list.  I know Ken and Rose.  Ken would not 
> close by explaining to me what "73" means in CW ;-)
> 
> It also says it was in a "response" to one of my emails. I haven't sent any 
> emails about the the subject of Mormons.
> 
> 
> There were no links to open but it was impossible for me (I'm no expert) to 
> differentiate this email from any legitimate list message.
> 
> 
> No harm done here.
> 
> 
> 73, Stan WB2LQF
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[Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread j...@kk9a.com
There is a lot of information regarding the KAT500 power limits on the
Elecraft website:

http://www.elecraft.com/KAT500/kat500.html



From: stanley KG7FYI
Thu Apr 27 09:51:00 EDT 2017


I have not purchased yet but I am particularly interested in the possibility
of an amplifier for my radios. I wondered if the KAT500 hundred could handle
more than 100 watts? In discussions with club members it is apparent that
some are for and others against 1000 watt amps etc. I'm curious if the
elecraft tuner has wattage limits.



-
Stan KG7FYI

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[Elecraft] (OT) - SPAM

2017-04-27 Thread stan levandowski
I just got an insulting email from "Ken Kopp" under Rose's address - 
 clearly someone has mined the elecraft list.  I know Ken and Rose.  Ken 
would not close by explaining to me what "73" means in CW ;-)


It also says it was in a "response" to one of my emails. I haven't sent 
any emails about the the subject of Mormons.



There were no links to open but it was impossible for me (I'm no expert) 
to differentiate this email from any legitimate list message.



No harm done here.


73, Stan WB2LQF
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:

On the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ
which is not open on my K3.


You obviously do not know how to operate your K3 (probably a failure
to red the manual) since 28.400 MHz is squarely within the amateur
10 meter band and works just fine with a stock K3, K3S - even the K2,
KX2 and KX3.

Again, I certainly hope you learn more about amateur radio and get
rid of the entitlement attitude.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:

Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
make contact on my own. Thanks.



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Distorted receive audio and low power output

2017-04-27 Thread Denis Jackson
Hi Don,

Many thanks for this sound advice. 

There is a KDSP2 installed and I found an old post of yours referring to its 
potential to cause distortion and had therefore already turned NR off and set 
it to bypass.  Alas, it made no difference to the characteristics of the 
problem.

I have an old HP signal generator here but the problem seems so intermittent 
it's going to be challenging to get to the bottom if re-flowing the solder 
joints doesn't do the trick.  I've been in my shack/office for a couple of 
hours now and the problem has come and gone more times than I can count.  I am 
out on site (I'm a consultant biologist/ecologist and work some strange hours) 
over tonight and most of tomorrow but I should have some time over the weekend 
to at least make a start and will post again when I have made some progress - 
one way or another!

73

Denis MW0CBC / GW8OQV

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Sent: 26 April 2017 22:51
To: Denis Jackson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Distorted receive audio and low power output

Denis,

Do you have the KDSP2 installed in your K2?  If so, check the DSP NR. 
If it is on, it can cause distortion.  It does an effective job of reducing 
noise, but does introduce some distortion - and may appear intermittent 
depending on the signals and their level.

If no KDSP2, then check the soldering in the PLL Reference area as well as the 
BFO area.  Marginal solder connections may have been OK in the past, but can 
fail after time.  Check the schematic for components in those areas and re-flow 
the soldering.

You can also do the Receive Signal Tracing as indicated in the manual. 
You may have to connect a strong signal generator as described in the 
Troubleshooting section of the manual.  An XG1 or XG2 will not provide a strong 
enough signal (the XG3 will), so construct the oscillator shown in the 
troubleshooting section of the manual.

The power output problem may or may not be related.  The best way to find the 
offending stage is to do Transmit Signal Tracing as described in the 
Troubleshooting manual appendix.  When you get to a stage which produces less 
than the expected values, that is the output of the failing stage, and you can 
investigate that particular stage for the problem.  Re-flowing the soldering 
may correct it.
Component failure is not the most common cause of failure (soldering is), so do 
not jump to conclusions about a component being bad - exception is if one of 
the PA transistors has been damaged.  If you find everything up to the PA 
transistor bases OK, then replacement of the PA transistors with the K2PAKIT 
from Elecraft may be in order.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2017 5:19 PM, Denis Jackson wrote:
> My K2 hasn't been used for a few years but, with the intention of 
> taking it out for a bit of SOTA work, I powered it up today.  Alas, I have a 
> problem.
> 
> The receive audio is intermittently distorted on all modes.  With a 
> constant carrier, it sounds like there is a warble to the note.  There 
> is another problem in that it has is that the RF power output is only 
> about 6 watts (it's the 15W version) and that seems constant on all 
> bands.  I don't think these two problems are related because the power 
> is always low regardless of whether the audio is distorted or not but 
> thought it worth mentioning nonetheless


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[Elecraft] OT: Please, take no offense.

2017-04-27 Thread Rose
Hi Stan!

Are you a Mormon?  I'm the repeater coordinator for Montana
and recently was contacted by a fellow who wanted to purchase
a repeater pair.

It was a strange request ... kinda like yours ... and it turns out he
legitimately thought he could purchase a repeater frequency from
me and proceed to operate it without any form of license.

Further conversation with him made me aware that the Mormon
Church is advocating this on a nationwide basis.

Or, are you a "prepper"?  I recently had a stranger knock on my
car window while parked at a grocery store and asked about the
amateur plates.  Almost the same thing, except he thought that
we used "secret" frequencies that no one could find or listen to.
Wanted to carry on "secret" conversations with family members
around the country.

You "sound" like you have a gross lack of knowledge about your
license and hobby and what it allows.  A study of FCC rules,
Part 97 would be very helpful.  "Google" it ... copies are widely
available.

Who are you applying to for a "grant" to upgrade your ham equipment?

73!  (Means "Best regards" in CW (code) shortcuts.

Ken Kopp - K0PP




On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:18 AM, KG7FYI  wrote:

> Thanks for all the input.
> I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
> cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
> many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
> submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES
> usually
> also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not
> reasonable
> at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done
> ARES/RACES
> certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
> see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
> make contact on my own. Thanks.
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Matt Zilmer

BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3.  See p54 of the Owner's Manual.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just fine there 
(Mine does)
That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a calling 
frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you may hear them

   From: KG7FYI 
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

Thanks for all the input.

I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
make contact on my own. Thanks.




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Re: [Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes

2017-04-27 Thread Phil Kane
On 4/27/2017 8:53 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote:

> Final tally, about 75% of the deliveries get it right, 25% get lost, delayed 
> or returned to shipper.  

Our building is on a street different from the street in the "street
address" and not visible from it.  Fortunately the courier service
drivers know where the building is and where access to our unit is
located.  Any USPS delivery is to the "street box" on the "named street"
and unless we check it daily - which is a pain - we don't know if
anything has arrived that cannot be tracked online.

Recently we had a contract-carrier delivery of a very expensive and
bulky item, and in the delivery instructions we specified "call for
directions".  It worked like a charm, and the driver even stuck around
while we unpacked the box and checked for damage, of which there was none.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
28.400  is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just fine there 
(Mine does)
That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a calling 
frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you may hear them

  From: KG7FYI 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
   
Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
make contact on my own. Thanks.



   
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Re: [Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes

2017-04-27 Thread Rick WA6NHC
I use a mail drop, like the UPS Store.  That way when I travel, I can 
ship me the stuff I don't want to haul around, it's secure and doesn't 
pile up in a mailbox or porch.  I collect it when I get back or a couple 
times a week when I go to town anyway.  Simple works.


It's worth the annual expense.

Rick NHC


On 4/27/2017 9:09 AM, Michael Goins wrote:

Rural here too and the biggest issue for a long time was that the UPS guy
would just throw boxes over the fence even though he could easily drive in.
Not too hard on the books I order, but tough on radio stuff and other
electronics. Fedex always knocks on the door.

Took a few calls but there's a new route driver for UPS and all seems okay
now, though the UPS stuff does occasionally go to the  PO to deliver and
with the satellite mailbox setup here, that means a trip into town if the
box is too big to fit in the small satellite box container.

Mike, k5wmg


On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:


Two things I will add also,

After having the wild ones run over my mail box at the bottom of the hill,
we went to a satellite mail box a short distance away, problem solved, well
sort of.  Along comes SUREpost or equivalent.  The seller says it will go
ground, so I give them the street address, then they ship it, YEP drop off
at the PO who can't deliver it.

So we started to put both the street address and the PO Box number on the
info, problem solved, well sort of, YEP you guessed it the leave off the PO
Box info,  Can't win.

  Final tally, about 75% of the deliveries get it right, 25% get lost,
delayed or returned to shipper.

Mel, K6KBE


   From: "Dauer, Edward" 
  To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 8:38 AM
  Subject: [Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes

One anecdote before this O.T. thread is terminated . . .

My “shack” is in a second home in the Colorado mountains, where none of
these services work.  Street addresses exist but they are useless; a driver
unfamiliar with the local area would have to use either county plat maps or
GPS coordinates, which of course no shipper would provide.  The dirt road
leading to the house isn’t wide enough for a large truck, and climbing up
our hill requires a good four-wheeler during much of the year.  When we
first built the place the US Post Office would not deliver mail to
addresses in our area, so for a while I rented one of the few boxes
available at the local Post Office. After a year or two they unilaterally
cancelled the rental, telling me that I didn’t get enough mail to justify
having a box there.  I solved the problem by having everything sent to my
Denver address, but I found it ironic.  In Denver I am flooded with junk
mail every day, often more than can be smushed into the outside box on our
house.  In the country (an unincorporated area called Florissant) I don’t
get enough mail to deserve a box at the P.O.

Ted, KN1CBR

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Re: [Elecraft] no power

2017-04-27 Thread Mike Morrow

Have you any idea what Elecraft transceiver you are using?  I don't, after 
reading your posting.

Mike / KK5F

-Original Message-
>From: Peter B 
>Sent: Apr 27, 2017 10:38 AM
>To: elecraft 
>Subject: [Elecraft] no power
>
>Hello list,
>I need some help with this.
>When i do PTT in data mode i have no TX power.
>I use N1MM with mmtty microham USB lll.
> any help is welcome.
>
>73s
>Peter PD1RP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Bob Nielsen
Your K3 should be able to operate between 28.0 and 29.7 MHz on the 10 
meter band, no modification required.


Bob, N7XY


On 4/27/17 9:18 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
make contact on my own. Thanks.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread KG7FYI
Thanks for all the input.
I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
make contact on my own. Thanks.



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Re: [Elecraft] FS: K3 option boards KXV3-2 Rev A and KSYN3

2017-04-27 Thread michaelstringfellow
All sold!



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Re: [Elecraft] Experiences using a portable HF loop

2017-04-27 Thread michaelstringfellow
I have considerable experience with both commercial and home-brew loops.  

As others have said, it is tough to obtain maximum efficiency - the two
largest contributors to loss being resistance in the tuning capacitor and
ground losses.  A couple of wires soldered to the tabs of a receiving
capacitor with a sliding contact to the rotor will have large losses and
several commercial antennas are made this way.  Since small loops use
vertical polarization, unless you are over really good soil or sea water,
they need to be high enough to minimize earth losses - typically 0.1 to 0.2
wavelengths.

I modified a portable aluminum loop by enlarging it to 5-foot diameter and
improving the capacitor arrangement.  It worked acceptably well and I was
able to make contacts on 20, 30 and 40 meters with a KX3 barefoot.  However,
I find that almost any full-size antenna works better and the difference is
usually one to two S points.  When operating portable, I now deploy a
telescopic 40-foot fiberglass pole with a wire antenna - vertical or loop.

I continue to use two small transmitting loops in my HOA restricted home
shack.

Mike
AF7ON



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Re: [Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes

2017-04-27 Thread Michael Goins
Rural here too and the biggest issue for a long time was that the UPS guy
would just throw boxes over the fence even though he could easily drive in.
Not too hard on the books I order, but tough on radio stuff and other
electronics. Fedex always knocks on the door.

Took a few calls but there's a new route driver for UPS and all seems okay
now, though the UPS stuff does occasionally go to the  PO to deliver and
with the satellite mailbox setup here, that means a trip into town if the
box is too big to fit in the small satellite box container.

Mike, k5wmg


On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Two things I will add also,
>
> After having the wild ones run over my mail box at the bottom of the hill,
> we went to a satellite mail box a short distance away, problem solved, well
> sort of.  Along comes SUREpost or equivalent.  The seller says it will go
> ground, so I give them the street address, then they ship it, YEP drop off
> at the PO who can't deliver it.
>
> So we started to put both the street address and the PO Box number on the
> info, problem solved, well sort of, YEP you guessed it the leave off the PO
> Box info,  Can't win.
>
>  Final tally, about 75% of the deliveries get it right, 25% get lost,
> delayed or returned to shipper.
>
> Mel, K6KBE
>
>
>   From: "Dauer, Edward" 
>  To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
>  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 8:38 AM
>  Subject: [Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes
>
> One anecdote before this O.T. thread is terminated . . .
>
> My “shack” is in a second home in the Colorado mountains, where none of
> these services work.  Street addresses exist but they are useless; a driver
> unfamiliar with the local area would have to use either county plat maps or
> GPS coordinates, which of course no shipper would provide.  The dirt road
> leading to the house isn’t wide enough for a large truck, and climbing up
> our hill requires a good four-wheeler during much of the year.  When we
> first built the place the US Post Office would not deliver mail to
> addresses in our area, so for a while I rented one of the few boxes
> available at the local Post Office. After a year or two they unilaterally
> cancelled the rental, telling me that I didn’t get enough mail to justify
> having a box there.  I solved the problem by having everything sent to my
> Denver address, but I found it ironic.  In Denver I am flooded with junk
> mail every day, often more than can be smushed into the outside box on our
> house.  In the country (an unincorporated area called Florissant) I don’t
> get enough mail to deserve a box at the P.O.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
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Re: [Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes

2017-04-27 Thread Dauer, Edward
So maybe Elecraft could develop a drone service that flies to its customers’ 
GPS locations from some regional distribution hub and gently deposits the 
goodies on our porch . . .

Ted, KN1CBR


From: Mel Farrer 
Reply-To: Mel Farrer 
Date: Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 9:53 AM
To: "Dauer, Edward" , "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes

Two things I will add also,

After having the wild ones run over my mail box at the bottom of the hill, we 
went to a satellite mail box a short distance away, problem solved, well sort 
of.  Along comes SUREpost or equivalent.  The seller says it will go ground, so 
I give them the street address, then they ship it, YEP drop off at the PO who 
can't deliver it.

So we started to put both the street address and the PO Box number on the info, 
problem solved, well sort of, YEP you guessed it the leave off the PO Box info, 
 Can't win.

Final tally, about 75% of the deliveries get it right, 25% get lost, delayed or 
returned to shipper.

Mel, K6KBE


From: "Dauer, Edward" 
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 8:38 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes

One anecdote before this O.T. thread is terminated . . .

My “shack” is in a second home in the Colorado mountains, where none of these 
services work.  Street addresses exist but they are useless; a driver 
unfamiliar with the local area would have to use either county plat maps or GPS 
coordinates, which of course no shipper would provide.  The dirt road leading 
to the house isn’t wide enough for a large truck, and climbing up our hill 
requires a good four-wheeler during much of the year.  When we first built the 
place the US Post Office would not deliver mail to addresses in our area, so 
for a while I rented one of the few boxes available at the local Post Office. 
After a year or two they unilaterally cancelled the rental, telling me that I 
didn’t get enough mail to justify having a box there.  I solved the problem by 
having everything sent to my Denver address, but I found it ironic.  In Denver 
I am flooded with junk mail every day, often more than can be smushed into the 
outside box on our house.  In the country (an unincorporated area called 
Florissant) I don’t get enough mail to deserve a box at the P.O.

Ted, KN1CBR

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Re: [Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes

2017-04-27 Thread Mel Farrer via Elecraft
Two things I will add also, 

After having the wild ones run over my mail box at the bottom of the hill, we 
went to a satellite mail box a short distance away, problem solved, well sort 
of.  Along comes SUREpost or equivalent.  The seller says it will go ground, so 
I give them the street address, then they ship it, YEP drop off at the PO who 
can't deliver it. 

So we started to put both the street address and the PO Box number on the info, 
problem solved, well sort of, YEP you guessed it the leave off the PO Box info, 
 Can't win. 

 Final tally, about 75% of the deliveries get it right, 25% get lost, delayed 
or returned to shipper.  

Mel, K6KBE


  From: "Dauer, Edward" 
 To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
 Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 8:38 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes
   
One anecdote before this O.T. thread is terminated . . .

My “shack” is in a second home in the Colorado mountains, where none of these 
services work.  Street addresses exist but they are useless; a driver 
unfamiliar with the local area would have to use either county plat maps or GPS 
coordinates, which of course no shipper would provide.  The dirt road leading 
to the house isn’t wide enough for a large truck, and climbing up our hill 
requires a good four-wheeler during much of the year.  When we first built the 
place the US Post Office would not deliver mail to addresses in our area, so 
for a while I rented one of the few boxes available at the local Post Office. 
After a year or two they unilaterally cancelled the rental, telling me that I 
didn’t get enough mail to justify having a box there.  I solved the problem by 
having everything sent to my Denver address, but I found it ironic.  In Denver 
I am flooded with junk mail every day, often more than can be smushed into the 
outside box on our house.  In the country (an unincorporated area called 
Florissant) I don’t get enough mail to deserve a box at the P.O.

Ted, KN1CBR

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[Elecraft] no power

2017-04-27 Thread Peter B
Hello list,
I need some help with this.
When i do PTT in data mode i have no TX power.
I use N1MM with mmtty microham USB lll.
 any help is welcome.

73s
Peter PD1RP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
limitation of band width.


If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
are strictly amateur based.  In essence, operate within your amateur
authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.

Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
been licensed more than a couple of years - the current examinations
obviously don't stress that the rules trump any entitlement.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


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[Elecraft] USPS, UPS, FedEx and related woes

2017-04-27 Thread Dauer, Edward
One anecdote before this O.T. thread is terminated . . .

My “shack” is in a second home in the Colorado mountains, where none of these 
services work.  Street addresses exist but they are useless; a driver 
unfamiliar with the local area would have to use either county plat maps or GPS 
coordinates, which of course no shipper would provide.  The dirt road leading 
to the house isn’t wide enough for a large truck, and climbing up our hill 
requires a good four-wheeler during much of the year.  When we first built the 
place the US Post Office would not deliver mail to addresses in our area, so 
for a while I rented one of the few boxes available at the local Post Office. 
After a year or two they unilaterally cancelled the rental, telling me that I 
didn’t get enough mail to justify having a box there.  I solved the problem by 
having everything sent to my Denver address, but I found it ironic.  In Denver 
I am flooded with junk mail every day, often more than can be smushed into the 
outside box on our house.  In the country (an unincorporated area called 
Florissant) I don’t get enough mail to deserve a box at the P.O.

Ted, KN1CBR

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread Marvin Wheeler
Eric:

Speaking as a former professional Emergency Management Coordinator you are
asking to be able to do something that will not endear you to neither the
County, State, or Federal Agencies.

Having persons uninformed with net operations is totally disruptive to the
point, at times, that all traffic stops. Not only will you incur the wrath
of these agencies you well might incur the wrath of the FCC. Just because
there is an emergency does not give you Carte Blanc to use radio equipment
as ones private forum.

There is, however, systems in place that welcome participation like yours.
Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service (RACES) is an organization provided
for in Part 97 of the Federal Communications Commission rules and
regulations governing amateur radio. RACES stations are licensed to do
exactly what it seems you wish to prepare to do.

I would recommend you contact the Oregon Department of Emergency Management
and describe exactly what you wish to do. You probably will  be surprised
how receptive they will be.

Our office location:
3225 State St., Room 115
Salem, Oregon 97301
Map/Directions

Hours of Operation:
8 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday - Friday
The Oregon Office of Emergency Management observes all state holidays
including Martin Luther King Jr. Day, President's Day, Memorial Day,
Independence Day, Labor Day, Veteran's Day, Christmas Day and New Year's
Day.

Loose cannons generally don't hit their aiming point but instead wreak
collateral damage.

Marv - KG7V
K3S, KPA 500, KAT 500

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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

Thank you all for the responses. Our situation here is somewhat different
regarding emergency preparedness. We are a very rural environment in SW
Oregon. No cell service, frequent land line outages, very mountainous
terrain and few options for communication in the event of an extreme
emergency. The State of Oregon has been actively engaged with local ARES
groups to prepare for an expected 9.1 subduction zone quake off of the
Pacific Coast. All models point toward a complete disruption of all services
for months and much of the destruction to disrupt the norm for years. Our
community is isolated with the probability of all infrastructure collapsing
and our demographic being physically unable to move in or out of the area
except by foot. There are approximately 300 people within the thus affected
zone. I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to provide
maximum versatility for communication. This would include the MARS bands. We
have several folks here with General and Extra class licenses. I don't think
our radios should be encumbered with the limitation of band width. I suppose
I could acquire the patch by some other means but I would just as soon have
it from Elecraft. 

I have not purchased yet but I am particularly interested in the possibility
of an amplifier for my radios. I wondered if the KAT500 hundred could handle
more than 100 watts? In discussions with club members it is apparent that
some are for and others against 1000 watt amps etc. I'm curious if the
elecraft tuner has wattage limits. 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread GWK
Yes, it does - in general, 600 W into 10:1 SWR, 1000 W into 3:1 SWR 
(except 500 W into 5:1 SWR from 30 to 60 MHz.  This is ICAS with equal 
time on and off, 5 min max at full power.  See manual for details.


I am using a KAT500 routinely with the K3/100, and on occasion, the 
AL-80a, which can produce 600W CW or 1000 W SSB peak.  No problems so far.


George, W3HBM

On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:


I have not purchased yet but I am particularly interested in the possibility
of an amplifier for my radios. I wondered if the KAT500 hundred could handle
more than 100 watts? In discussions with club members it is apparent that
some are for and others against 1000 watt amps etc. I'm curious if the
elecraft tuner has wattage limits.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread GRANT YOUNGMAN
There’s no reason Elecraft wouldn’t provide the information to an authorized 
MARS station.  Local MARS directors also typically have information on firmware 
loads or other common means to get a lot of radios expanded to general coverage 
transmit, which they provide to MARS members.  And MARS does work with civilian 
agencies in emergencies.

There aren’t really MARS ‘bands” as such.  But regardless of license class, an 
Amateur station without a MARS license is not authorized to operate on any 
designated MARS frequency.  These frequencies are managed by DoD.  The 
interface between MARS and the non-MARS emergency traffic is on the ham bands, 
not on MARS frequencies, since that is the only place both are licensed to 
operate.

So, if they’re not, your local/state emergency coordinators should be working 
with the State MARS directors and their staffs to develop a plan for MARS 
support in the event of a natural disaster.  

That said, I dropped my AFMARS affilliation around 15 years ago, so maybe 
things have changed.  And I probably don’t understand the full context of the 
request to begin with.


> except by foot. There are approximately 300 people within the thus affected
> zone. I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to provide
> maximum versatility for communication. This would include the MARS bands. We
> have several folks here with General and Extra class licenses. I don't think
> our radios should be encumbered with the limitation of band width. I suppose
> I could acquire the patch by some other means but I would just as soon have
> it from Elecraft. 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

2017-04-27 Thread KG7FYI
Thank you all for the responses. Our situation here is somewhat different
regarding emergency preparedness. We are a very rural environment in SW
Oregon. No cell service, frequent land line outages, very mountainous
terrain and few options for communication in the event of an extreme
emergency. The State of Oregon has been actively engaged with local ARES
groups to prepare for an expected 9.1 subduction zone quake off of the
Pacific Coast. All models point toward a complete disruption of all services
for months and much of the destruction to disrupt the norm for years. Our
community is isolated with the probability of all infrastructure collapsing
and our demographic being physically unable to move in or out of the area
except by foot. There are approximately 300 people within the thus affected
zone. I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to provide
maximum versatility for communication. This would include the MARS bands. We
have several folks here with General and Extra class licenses. I don't think
our radios should be encumbered with the limitation of band width. I suppose
I could acquire the patch by some other means but I would just as soon have
it from Elecraft. 

I have not purchased yet but I am particularly interested in the possibility
of an amplifier for my radios. I wondered if the KAT500 hundred could handle
more than 100 watts? In discussions with club members it is apparent that
some are for and others against 1000 watt amps etc. I'm curious if the
elecraft tuner has wattage limits. 



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Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] Future accessories - CWMessageStores, APRS

2017-04-27 Thread DD6DO
Dear Elecraft team,

On a five-day hike in the Pyrenees, the KX2 was a true companion for my 
SOTA-activations.

I have two wishes for my future KX2:

1) more than three CW-message-record-stores, 5 or 6 would be fine.

2) a future KX3/KX2 accessory could be an APRS integration for 40m and 30m like 
VK2JNG proposed (message repeated below).

>Re: [Elecraft] Future KX3/KX2 accessories? 
>Gerard Elijzen Thu, 30 Mar 2017 14:49:55 -0700 
>Hi all,
>Would like to see the addition for (40m and 30m) of APRS and GPS for mobile 
>use 
>for the KX3 when 2m digipeaters are not reachable.
>Gerard VK2JNG


73
Stephan, DD6DO

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Re: [Elecraft] Experiences using a portable HF loop

2017-04-27 Thread Paul Stoetzer
I made well over a thousand 40m QSOs with my KX2 and AlexLoop during
NPOTA. I was getting true 57 and 59 reports at times with 10 watts to
the loop and even worked a couple of stations on the West Coast on 40
meters one morning.

As you said, it was very effective on NVIS with easy QSOs up and down
the eastern seaboard during the daytime hours.

73,

Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
Washington, DC

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Michael Babineau  wrote:
> I agree with almost everything that Ron says in the post, except I would 
> substitute the
> statement  "The very BEST magnetic loops are incredibly inefficient” with 
> “The very BEST magnetic loops are incredibly inefficient on the lower bands”.
>
> Pretty much all of the Magnetic Loops on the market are around 1 meter in 
> diameter, which means that circumference of
> the radiator is about 10 feet.  This size of loop if well constructed can 
> have efficiencies approaching 90% on 10m and something
> in the range of 30 to 40 % on 20m, so they will work reasonably well on these 
> higher bands.
> The wheels start to fall off on 30m and especially 40m, where typically you 
> would be looking at single digit efficiencies.
> This is really not surprising, if you put a 10 foot vertical on 40m you are 
> going to find that it is not very efficient either !
> If you had a 2 meter diameter loop then efficiencies on 40m and 30m would be 
> significantly improved, but you would lose the
> ability to resonate it on 10m/12m and likely on 15m and 17m too.
>
>
> What a 1 meter diameter Magnetic Loop has going for it is extreme portability 
> (at least for those with a foldable radiator),
> quick deployment (typically < 5 minutes for something like the Alex Loop), 
> ground independence (no need for radials), some bi-directionality
> in the plane of the loop but more significantly a very deep null broadside to 
> the loop which can be effective at killing a noise source.
> It also typically provides continuous band coverage from 10m through 40m with 
> 2:1 SWR bandwidths for a well
> constructed loop around 100+ Khz on 10m dropping to something around 10 Khz 
> on 40m, all in a very small package. It is both a reasonable DX antenna
> on the higher bands as well as a usable NVIS antenna on 40m. As with any 
> antenna they work better if higher, but as a minimum they must be 1 loop 
> radius above ground, so
> mounting on a lightweight camera tripod works ok.
>
> It is possible to make NVIS QSOs on 40m using only a few hundred mW of power, 
> often with surprising signal strength, so putting 5 or 10 watts into an
> antenna with  5% efficiency can still yield a usable signal.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Michael VE3WMB
>
> P.S. The secret to squeezing out the best performance when building a loop is 
> having a solid conductor that is welded/soldered to
> the tuning capacitor (you need to try to avoid mechanicalconnections as they 
> add resistance) and using either a split stator or butterfly air variable
> capacitor or a vacuum variable capacitor. Cheap capacitors with wiper 
> contacts on the rotor will kill your efficiency.
>
> The radiation resistance of a Magnetic Loop is low (typically less than a few 
> ohms) and it drops as you press it into service on lower frequencies. Even 
> small additional
> resistances add up and become significant when compared to the radiation 
> resistance on the lower bands and this is what causes the Loop efficiency to 
> go down the toilet.
>
>
>>From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" >
>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Experiences using a portable HF loop
>>Date: April 21, 2017 at 11:00:09 PM GMT-4
>>To: "'Phil Hystad'" >, "'Eddy 
>>Avila'" >
>>Cc: "'Elecraft'" >
>
>
>>The very BEST magnetic loops are incredibly inefficient, yet like any
>>"incredibly inefficient" antenna one can make amazing contacts on them when
> conditions are right.
>
>>The problem is with resistive losses. The day we have room-temperature
>>superconductors, we will have efficient small transmitting loops. Until
>>then, only a few percent of the power applied is radiated.
>
>>For now, they are great when simplicity of setup allows operation where
>>otherwise nothing could be done.
>
>>73, Ron AC7AC
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Enhancement

2017-04-27 Thread Igor Sokolov
May I mention that for SO2R in the same box the isolation should be in 
order of 80db for  1500 w power level.


This is not that easy to obtain.

73, Igor UA9CDC


27.04.2017 7:59, Erik Basilier пишет:

Of course, in an SO2R scenario where the shared amplifier alternates between
two different bands with every transmission, a shared ATU would exercise the
relays a lot. Separate tuners might be needed in order to avoid the relays
wearing out.

73,
Erik K7TV

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Matthew Cook
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:45 PM
To: Thomas Donohue 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Enhancement

If that were to happen then adding a second 15-way connector at the same
time to said module to allow two K3/K3s to drive the one amp through each
respective antenna input and matched output would start this amp towards the
"basic" SO2R path.  From there a smart 2x6 antenna switching unit some well
designed BPF filters and your well on your way.  The rest of the magic is
then just firmware (says he that writes said firmware every day) within the
upgraded processor the KPA1500 has been blessed with.

I'm fingers crossed..

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 26 April 2017 at 22:37, Thomas Donohue  wrote:


Hi to all:

Wayne or Eric. Are there any plans or thoughts about adding a second
RF input to the amp, similar to what the Yaesu VL-1000 has?

Best 73,
Tom/W1QU


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Re: [Elecraft] Experiences using a portable HF loop

2017-04-27 Thread WD4SDC
I've had good results using LMR400 (outer conductor) and an air dielectric
tuning cap which will handle the 10-15W power of a KX3.  In some informal
testing comparing a 6 foot diameter loop and a 1/4 wave wire antenna (40
meters) using a car chassis as a counterpoise, the loop beat the wire by 5dB
(NVIS path) (C/N on spectral display).

How efficient is the loop? I don't know - not as efficient as a 4" diameter
copper pipe 6 foot loop, but I do know it's relative ;) 

A mobile whip is *very* inefficient.  The loop in this case is generally
*less* inefficient :) 
You can make contacts on both.

K4HKX did a very detailed comparison of loop antennas with full dipoles and
other HF antennas.  He posted his results here:

qrz.com/db/k4hkx

Very interesting read.

I'm playing around with a mobile loop idea for 80 and 40 meters using the
KX3.  If it works as good as I think it will, it should give me about the
same performance as adding a KXPA100 - or not... that's why playing with ham
radio is fun.

73's
Steve
WD4SDC



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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Enhancement

2017-04-27 Thread Roy Koeppe

Re:


Question:

"Can the internal tuner be completely bypassed like the K3S can do with 
its tuner?"



I see a bypass button on front panel.

73,  Roy   K6XK

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Enhancement

2017-04-27 Thread brian

Question:
Can the internal tuner be completely bypassed like the K3S can do with 
its tuner?

Brian/K3KO

On 4/27/2017 2:59 AM, Erik Basilier wrote:

Of course, in an SO2R scenario where the shared amplifier alternates between
two different bands with every transmission, a shared ATU would exercise the
relays a lot. Separate tuners might be needed in order to avoid the relays
wearing out.

73,
Erik K7TV

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Matthew Cook
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:45 PM
To: Thomas Donohue 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Enhancement

If that were to happen then adding a second 15-way connector at the same
time to said module to allow two K3/K3s to drive the one amp through each
respective antenna input and matched output would start this amp towards the
"basic" SO2R path.  From there a smart 2x6 antenna switching unit some well
designed BPF filters and your well on your way.  The rest of the magic is
then just firmware (says he that writes said firmware every day) within the
upgraded processor the KPA1500 has been blessed with.

I'm fingers crossed..

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 26 April 2017 at 22:37, Thomas Donohue  wrote:


Hi to all:

Wayne or Eric. Are there any plans or thoughts about adding a second
RF input to the amp, similar to what the Yaesu VL-1000 has?

Best 73,
Tom/W1QU


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Package shippers

2017-04-27 Thread Vic Rosenthal
The thing to keep in mind about international shipments is that UPS and FEDEX 
take the package all the way to its destination, including customs clearance, 
while USPS transfers it to the postal service of the destination country.
In my case, this means at least a month of extra time plus a degree of 
insecurity. UPS is much more costly, but if I were ordering something expensive 
or important, that is what I would request.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 26 Apr 2017, at 20:56, Ken G Kopp  wrote:
> 
> I suspect for each of us our view of shippers will vary widel.
> 
> While certainly not a "large" shipper, Rose (Elecraft Covers)
> ships a number of packages a week, with many going to
> foreign destinations.
> 
> She -always- ships via the USPS and mostly via Priority Mail.
> In almost ten years she's had one package go astray, and
> that was due to me typing a wrong ZIP code.  A Priority Mail
> package will reach any US destination in no more then three
> days.
> 
> FedEx is absolutely terrible!  One fat envelope of legal papers
> from our bank was left on the driveway, laying in two inches
> of water.  Another was tossed over a fence into the yard.  Yet
> another was dropped near the BACK door of the house.  Didn't
> find it until a trace was instituted for the "missing" delivery.
> 
> When we order fabric, webbing, Velcro supplies, the vendor
> is told in no uncertain terms if the order is sent vis FedEx it
> will be the last one they get.  A gawd awful company! (:-)
> 
> FedEx problems may stem from their use of non-company
> contract drivers in their trucks ... at least in this area.
> 
> UPS is OK in our view ... all of Rose's orders are shipped via
> UPS or the USPS.
> 
> Trivia:  A case shipped to Istanbul via USPS Airmail was
> delivered in Turkey in -five- days!!
> 
> FWIW ...
> 
> 73!
> 
> Ken - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Enhancement

2017-04-27 Thread Jim Brown
Stubs, optimally applied, are an excellent and low cost substitute for 
high power bandpass filters. A properly placed 2-stub filter using a 
decent RG8/213 typically provides 60 dB of attenuation at the second 
harmonic, that in addition to the suppression provided by the 
amplifier's output network.


I've settled for 5B4AGN's W3NQN implementation of filter sets 
conservatively rated for 200W between exciter and power amp. That takes 
care of protecting the receiver and also killing any phase noise the 
other radio is producing.


In my experience with SO2R and other multi-transmitter setups and all 
K3s, killing the amplifier's second harmonic mostly matters between 80 
and 40 CW, and 40 and 20 CW,  because the harmonic lands in the same 
part of the higher band where we want to operate.


73, Jim K9YC

On Wed,4/26/2017 10:50 PM, Matthew Cook wrote:

So time to get back to working on the 1500W W3NQN filter designs... and the
high power paperwork requirements from our regulatory body to run that sort
of power level... sigh.



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