Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough?

[Doug Smith]

Yes, I was thinking along the same lines — that copper ‘conductive tape’ stuff.

It could be mounted to the outside of the carrier and would look like stylish 
racing stripes!

http://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Conductive-Copper-Foil-Tape-3313?N=5002385+3293242553=rud
 


https://www.kaptontape.com/Copper_Conductive_Tapes.php 


73,
Doug, W7KF


> On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:52 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if a wire taped around the circumference of the carrier to form 
> either a loop or a Moxon-shaped thing and fed in its center might not work, 
> if the carrier is non-conductive and contains non-conductive things.
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
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Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough?

[Fred Jensen]

My end-fed wire on the wooden fence 1.8 meters AGL works pretty good.  6 
over 6 over 6 monobanders would do better [by actual test, they do [:-) 
], but RF current in a non-buried conductor will radiate.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/19/2017 8:52 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
I wonder if a wire taped around the circumference of the carrier to 
form either a loop or a Moxon-shaped thing and fed in its center might 
not work, if the carrier is non-conductive and contains non-conductive 
things.


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 20 Aug 2017 02:15, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as
the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna
that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage.

My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4
foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on
our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of
nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their
dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and
is then retained by the passenger-side visor.

The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this
morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if
necessary.

I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not
the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana.

Wayne N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough?

[Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP]

I wonder if a wire taped around the circumference of the carrier to form 
either a loop or a Moxon-shaped thing and fed in its center might not 
work, if the carrier is non-conductive and contains non-conductive things.


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 20 Aug 2017 02:15, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as
the holy Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna
that our significant other won't scorn. Or sabotage.

My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4
foot loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on
our Honda CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of
nonconductive pillows and towels. I have yet to measure their
dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the sunroof and
is then retained by the passenger-side visor.

The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this
morning held my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if
necessary.

I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not
the best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana.

Wayne N6KR

 http://www.elecraft.com 

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Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough?

[Mike Furrey]

 A friend bought a HiQ to put on his own car. His wife took one look at it and 
said, "OH HELL NO!" It now resides on my pickup. 

Stealth and mobile are two words that don't go together.
73, Mike WA5POK
 

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:49 PM, Phil Hystad  wrote:
 

 I can’t believe you still use non-conductive pillows.  It is hard to think of 
you in the same way anymore.

PEH

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as the holy 
> Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna that our significant 
> other won't scorn. Or sabotage.
> 
> My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 foot 
> loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on our Honda 
> CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of nonconductive pillows and 
> towels. I have yet to measure their dielectric effects. Six feet of coax 
> snakes through the sunroof and is then retained by the passenger-side visor. 
> 
> The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this morning held 
> my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if necessary.  
> 
> I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not the 
> best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. 
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com
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Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now)

[Albert Winger]

Arrived in Buford,WY.  Very light traffic through Denver. Many more eclipsers 
due tomorrow. Saw plates from 10 states. 

Hope to catch you all on net tomorrow.  

73
Al
W1NGA
Colorado Springs

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> We're in Corvallis now. Perfect WX. 
> 
> I'm warming up the KX2 for emcomm and/or entertainment purposes. There's an 
> official beer garden with bluegrass band 100 yards from here, so there may 
> indeed be rescues to assist in. 
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:
>> 
>> So far (it is Saturday evening) the roads here on the coast at Newport are
>> quiet for this time of the year. But the Oregon coast is not the easiest
>> place to get to anyway. I won't mind if it stays quiet through Monday! 
>> 
>> Anyone can check Oregon road conditions and see the road cameras here:
>> 
>> https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/CCentry.asp
>> 
>> Maybe it is all a "tempest in a teacup". 
>> 
>> I suspect Wayne is in the ideal spot for viewing on the East side of the
>> coastal mountains and so away from the marine overcast but not so far east
>> he gets downwind from some nasty wildfires.
>> 
>> 73, Ron AC7AC 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer
>> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:24 PM
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now)
>> 
>> How's the traffic?  Reports here are such that you might want to start
>> driving around 3 AM local.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> matt, W6NIA
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now)

[Wayne Burdick]

We're in Corvallis now. Perfect WX. 

I'm warming up the KX2 for emcomm and/or entertainment purposes. There's an 
official beer garden with bluegrass band 100 yards from here, so there may 
indeed be rescues to assist in. 

Wayne
N6KR


http://www.elecraft.com

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:
> 
> So far (it is Saturday evening) the roads here on the coast at Newport are
> quiet for this time of the year. But the Oregon coast is not the easiest
> place to get to anyway. I won't mind if it stays quiet through Monday! 
> 
> Anyone can check Oregon road conditions and see the road cameras here:
> 
> https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/CCentry.asp
> 
> Maybe it is all a "tempest in a teacup". 
> 
> I suspect Wayne is in the ideal spot for viewing on the East side of the
> coastal mountains and so away from the marine overcast but not so far east
> he gets downwind from some nasty wildfires.
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:24 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now)
> 
> How's the traffic?  Reports here are such that you might want to start
> driving around 3 AM local.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt, W6NIA
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now)

[Wayne Burdick]

We're already in Corvallis!



http://www.elecraft.com

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Matt Zilmer  wrote:
> 
> How's the traffic?  Reports here are such that you might want to start
> driving around 3 AM local.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt, W6NIA
> 
> 
>> On 08/18/2017 01:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Checking out the KX2 and antenna from Ashland. I'll be on until at least 
>> 0900Z. 
>> 
>> Tomorrow we head for Corvallis. 
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now)

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

So far (it is Saturday evening) the roads here on the coast at Newport are
quiet for this time of the year. But the Oregon coast is not the easiest
place to get to anyway. I won't mind if it stays quiet through Monday! 

Anyone can check Oregon road conditions and see the road cameras here:

https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/CCentry.asp

Maybe it is all a "tempest in a teacup". 

I suspect Wayne is in the ideal spot for viewing on the East side of the
coastal mountains and so away from the marine overcast but not so far east
he gets downwind from some nasty wildfires.

73, Ron AC7AC 

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
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Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:24 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now)

How's the traffic?  Reports here are such that you might want to start
driving around 3 AM local.

73,

matt, W6NIA


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Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse update

[kev...@coho.net]

Make sure to have your old pots and pans ready.  If the eclipse is 
lasting too long you can scare the dragon into spitting out the sun by 
banging on them loudly.  Belt & suspenders for the ECOM folks.


    73,

 Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 8/19/2017 7:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
First hand very very early report:  Bright sun, very round. 
Semicircular black disk begins to cover the sun, more and more, 
eventually just a teeny tiny speck of the limb remains and is very 
bright, then night.  Then the video tape runs backwards and it's day 
again.  If clouds, it just gets dark, then day-ish again. Given the 
physics, they're all exactly alike, and will be for perhaps 600 
million years when the last one will occur.  Like snowflakes ... seen 
one you've seen 'em all, notwithstanding the urban legend that every 
one is different.


We'd still have driven to Oregon if it would have worked out. [:-)


On 8/19/2017 2:06 PM, Logan Zintsmaster wrote:
We traveled to South Carolina to add in some family time. Drove from 
Beaufort to Columbia to Anderson (near Clemson). Some traffic around 
Columbia otherwise smooth sailing. Since you West Coast folks will 
see it over an hour before us, I'm looking forward to some early 
first hand reports.


Logan, KZ6O


On Aug 19, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting 
that all the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers.


Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking 
good so far.


20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my 
QSOs were on SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch 
and filtering helped a lot with QRM.


Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP

Wayne
N6KR




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Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse update

[Fred Jensen]

First hand very very early report:  Bright sun, very round.  
Semicircular black disk begins to cover the sun, more and more, 
eventually just a teeny tiny speck of the limb remains and is very 
bright, then night.  Then the video tape runs backwards and it's day 
again.  If clouds, it just gets dark, then day-ish again.  Given the 
physics, they're all exactly alike, and will be for perhaps 600 million 
years when the last one will occur.  Like snowflakes ... seen one you've 
seen 'em all, notwithstanding the urban legend that every one is different.


We'd still have driven to Oregon if it would have worked out. [:-)


On 8/19/2017 2:06 PM, Logan Zintsmaster wrote:

We traveled to South Carolina to add in some family time. Drove from Beaufort 
to Columbia to Anderson (near Clemson). Some traffic around Columbia otherwise 
smooth sailing. Since you West Coast folks will see it over an hour before us, 
I'm looking forward to some early first hand reports.

Logan, KZ6O


On Aug 19, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all 
the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers.

Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so far.

20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on 
SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a 
lot with QRM.

Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP

Wayne
N6KR




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Re: [Elecraft] N6KR/7 Eclipse station test, 14060.0 (now)

[Matt Zilmer]

How's the traffic?  Reports here are such that you might want to start
driving around 3 AM local.

73,

matt, W6NIA


On 08/18/2017 01:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Checking out the KX2 and antenna from Ashland. I'll be on until at least 
> 0900Z. 
>
> Tomorrow we head for Corvallis. 
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 unresponsive

[Don Wilhelm]

Bob,

The '--' in the ATU menu means that the KAT2 firmware is not being seen 
by the K2 MCU.


Take a good look at the point where the control cable is attached to the 
KAT2 control board - look for broken wires.

Do the same for the header that plugs to K2 Control Board P4.

Make certain the header which plugs into K2 Control Board P4 is 
installed correctly - the green wire should be at the top.


73,
Don W3FPR

  tuner was working fine yesterday and earlier today, and then after one

press of the "Tune" button on the front panel it is no longer functional.

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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

[kev...@coho.net]

Good Evening,

I must have been two or three years old when I first really experienced 
radio.  I was seated high enough so I could see the back of our little 
Emerson radio.  My mom turned it on and I watched the tubes turning 
orange.  The odd sounds of a warming up radio and then music came out.  
The scent of hot tubes mixed with the smells of my father's 
construction: saw dust and pitch.  Mom told me how the waves in the air 
fed the radio.  DX from all the way across town!  From then on I 
listened to that radio and my brother's shortwave rig all I could.  I 
was hooked.  The magic of waves from the air making music from far away, 
what an adventure.


Please join us tomorrow on:
   14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
    7045 kHz at z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

    73,
    Kevin. KD5ONS

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Re: [Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough?

[Phil Hystad]

I can’t believe you still use non-conductive pillows.  It is hard to think of 
you in the same way anymore.

PEH

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as the holy 
> Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna that our significant 
> other won't scorn. Or sabotage.
> 
> My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 foot 
> loaded whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on our Honda 
> CRV. As we speak the whip is resting on a pile of nonconductive pillows and 
> towels. I have yet to measure their dielectric effects. Six feet of coax 
> snakes through the sunroof and is then retained by the passenger-side visor. 
> 
> The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this morning held 
> my YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if necessary.  
> 
> I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not the 
> best Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. 
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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[Elecraft] Tuneup, Rescue, Build your K2, K1, KX1, others

[Alan D. Wilcox]

Hello,

Have you always wanted an Elecraft? A KX1, K1, K2,  whatever? 
I’ll build any of them.

Does your K2 need repair? Tuneup?

In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might 
have started some time ago.

See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 

Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure --  are 
at
http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ 

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-478-0736 (cell, text)
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[Elecraft] Mobile antenna breakthrough?

[Wayne Burdick]

Some of us (admittedly, very few) see invisible mobile antennas as the holy 
Grail. We engage in a decades-long search for an antenna that our significant 
other won't scorn. Or sabotage.

My own search just got an unexpected boost when I realized that a 4 foot loaded 
whip would fit fully inside the plastic cartop carrier on our Honda CRV. As we 
speak the whip is resting on a pile of nonconductive pillows and towels. I have 
yet to measure their dielectric effects. Six feet of coax snakes through the 
sunroof and is then retained by the passenger-side visor. 

The KX2 fits snugly in a dashboard compartment that until this morning held my 
YL's Bonnie Rait CDs. More on that later if necessary.  

I've been listening to the NA QSO party on 20 meters as we drive. Not the best 
Mobile antenna available, but one step closer to nirvana. 

Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum

[Wes Stewart]

No.

On 8/19/2017 2:21 PM, Nr4c wrote:

God. Will it ever end?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



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Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum

[Nr4c]

God. Will it ever end?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Aug 19, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Works fine the way it is - no extra complications are needed.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse update

[Logan Zintsmaster]

We traveled to South Carolina to add in some family time. Drove from Beaufort 
to Columbia to Anderson (near Clemson). Some traffic around Columbia otherwise 
smooth sailing. Since you West Coast folks will see it over an hour before us, 
I'm looking forward to some early first hand reports. 

Logan, KZ6O

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all 
> the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. 
> 
> Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so 
> far. 
> 
> 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on 
> SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a 
> lot with QRM. 
> 
> Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] KAT2 unresponsive

[Bob]

 After doing a re-alignment of my K2 ser. #3218 yesterday I started to play
on the air and suddenly my KAT2 would no longer tune to my buddipole
antenna.  In fact, the ATU menu is now inaccessible. When entering the menu
system and selecting the ATU submenu, the only display is "--" while
rotating the VFO or using Band+/Band- to change menu options.

I removed the KAT2 assembly and looked at all components but did not see
anything obviously smoked, so I'm at a loss of what might be wrong.  The
tuner was working fine yesterday and earlier today, and then after one
press of the "Tune" button on the front panel it is no longer functional.

Help appreciated!

Best regards,

Bob Solimeno  KC2JAV
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Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum

[Bill]

Works fine the way it is - no extra complications are needed.

Bill W2BLC K-Line


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[Elecraft] unsubscribing

[Ross]

I have tried to unsubscribe, but it obviously did not happen.
I have sold my K3 so I dont need all the emails.
Best wishes to the group
Ross
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Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Eclipse update

[Mike Flowers]

Sitting here in Corvallis now.   Stopped by Eugene for a while and traffic not 
an issue on I-5 or anywhere we went. 



-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] 
>  wrote:
> 
> We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all 
> the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. 
> 
> Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so 
> far. 
> 
> 20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on 
> SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a 
> lot with QRM. 
> 
> Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com
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Re: [Elecraft] List or Forum

[Alan Bee via Elecraft]

I have no emails, browser mode only, look daily, works well.
Only downside is I scan list for items of interest, maybe reply so might reply 
to a thread closed in the last 24 hours having not yet seen the closure 
notice.If more of us move to browser I guess there could be a couple more 
excess posts but only 1 days's worth.My 'vote' is keep the list.73  Alan  G0HIQ
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Walter Underwood]

I’m not a big fan of forums, even though I maintained the one used by 5000 
engineers at Hewlett-Packard. I don’t mind the e-mail volume at all. On the 
other hand, I was getting a thousand e-mails a week thirty years ago. The SOTA 
reflector is a list/forum hybrid where you need to log into the forum to post. 
It has some advantages, but it isn’t my favorite.

One old mailing list trick is to have separate lists for announcements and for 
discussion. People who want less traffic could keep up to date by following the 
announce list.

elecraft-announce would be low-volume and could only be posted to by Elecraft 
personnel. It would have announcements of new products, special deals, firmware 
releases, field tester requests, and so on. It might also include information 
about hamfests Elecraft will attend, requests for people to staff the booth 
(replies off list enforced), etc.

elecraft-discuss would be like the current list. Elecraft could decide whether 
to also send announcements to this list. I would be perfectly happy to 
subscribe to both lists in order to get announcements and discussion.

The IETF uses this convention for mailing lists. You can read more here: 
https://www.ietf.org/list/ 

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Dauer, Edward  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Grant and others.  There are advantages to a Forum, but I would 
> regret losing the open-textured character of a reflector.  I think of it as 
> if it were an OTA net among friends and colleagues and potential friends and 
> colleagues with common interests.  Not always very efficient, but a 
> conversational nexus with its own advantages.  
> 
> If I need something very specific there’s always the topical archives.  Or a 
> question to the goup.
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[GWK]

Keep the list as at present.  Filter on "Subject = [Elecraft] " will put 
the entire list into a file of your choice.  If we could get everyone to 
include the rig model in their subject line, we could be more specific, 
but of course we probably can't do that.


73 - George  W3HBM



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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Argh!  I will lose access to Elecraft if they move to a "forum".
ALL of my work is done with a traditional e-mail program - I can
not abide the online "forum" software and have dropped various
list when they transitioned to web only forums.

A quality traditional e-mail program provides all the tools necessary to
filter incoming e-mail based on source (e.g. "Elecraft list") as well as
topic/content (e.g., "Subject" or "Body" contains K3 or K3S).  Anyone
using a quality e-mail program has all the tools necessary to create his
own off-line "forum" experience.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/19/2017 10:13 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
While I whole heartedly agree the forum needs looking at, it is after 
all Elecraft's forum, and as such, they get to do with it as they 
please


I will be happy with any result, but I would be happier with a forum 
change.


73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
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On 08/19/2017 07:04 AM, Steve Mollman via Elecraft wrote:
Another vote for a Forum format.  I use forums for several 
specialty/collector cars.  MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the 
subjects that interest me.  Using Nabble to find information is time 
consuming and very awkward.


  Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention 
several times in the past, for some reason they keep shooting it 
down.  It is time to update this to the 21st century.  For a company 
that prides itself on customer service and "friendliness" the present 
method is a failure.



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Re: [Elecraft] Reflector change?

[John Severyn]

Ditto.  I like it the way it is.  Filtering is easy-peasy with any 
number of mailers.  I use Thunderbird, but most have similar capabilities.
73   John AF6QO

On 8/19/2017 11:09 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
> Ditto
> 
> Rich, n0ce
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Charlie T, K3ICH
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:24 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector change?
> 
> Don't change a thing...
> 
> Charlie k3ICH
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:41 AM
> To: Elecraft 
> Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change?
> 
> Wayne, Eric,
> 
> Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now.  Please, no changes.
> 
> 73
> 
> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

... and while we're on the topic of updating to the 21st century, Morse 
Code goes back to the 19th century.  We really are way past time to do 
away with this archaic system of dots and dashes and move to 21st 
century technology.


See how foolish that sounds?

Seriously folks.  I've been on much busier lists.

If you are using a web-based mail system like Yahoo or GMail, I can see 
how it might be a little inconvenient to just hit "delete."


There are Bayesian Filter classifiers that are incredibly accurate, that 
would split this list out by topic dramatically well.


PopFile will even reach out from your computer, using IMAP, and classify 
mail in your Yahoo or GMail account!


73 -- Lynn

On 8/19/2017 7:04 AM, Steve Mollman via Elecraft wrote:

It is time to update this to the 21st century.

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Oh, please don't.

A "push" technology, like E-Mail means that more of us will participate.

Web Based forums are a "pull" -- one has to be dedicated enough to go to 
the forum.  It slows the tempo and reduces participation.


It isn't a magic bullet.  People still post in forum sections off topic.

Before I retired, I ran an ISP and did E-Mail professionally, including 
mail filtering.  The greatest tool I found is called PopFile.


PopFile can, with a minimal amount of work, split out mail by product 
mentioned.  You don't have to figure out what keywords to use, you just 
have to move mail that is mis-classified to the right place.  Takes a 
couple of days worth of mail to train to 90% accuracy or so, and not 
long after before it's near 99%.


73 -- Lynn


On 8/19/2017 5:12 AM, Barry wrote:

As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic.
It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] Reflector change?

[Richard Fjeld]

Ditto

Rich, n0ce


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:24 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector change?

Don't change a thing...

Charlie k3ICH



-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:41 AM
To: Elecraft 
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change?

Wayne, Eric,

Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now.  Please, no changes.

73

K0PP
N7HKW
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Re: [Elecraft] Computer Utility Program for K2

[K1FFX]

Have a look at http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm, about 1/2 down the
page.



-
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K2/100 6982 KSB2 KAT100-1

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft -I have unsubscribed

[David Anderson via Elecraft]

Phil,

I setup filtering on Yahoo for the Elecraft list and then can read it whenever 
I have time on my iPhone or iPad, it works perfectly.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 19 Aug 2017, at 18:36, Philip Anderson  wrote:
> 
> After being overwhelmed with the number of emails (ironically most recently, 
> on the topic of changing the list to make it more manageable) I have 
> unsubscribed from this list.
> 
> I will re-subscribe if Elecraft change the system so that I'm no longer 
> inundated with emails that are off-topic regarding my specific interest in 
> Elecraft products.
> 
> I suggest at very least splitting the list into a low volume (Elecraft 
> support questions ONLY) and a high volume chit-chat list for Elecraft fans so 
> that those only interest in messages directly related to their Elecraft 
> product can avoid all the irrelevant chit-chat.
> 
> In answer to the people who tell me that I just need to manage the list 
> properly using filters, folders and threading on my email client - I already 
> do that on my home computer, but try doing all of that on an iPhone email 
> client.
> 
> Also, try picking up that 1 essential business email over a really slow 
> cellular connection when your phone is determined to download 1,000's of 
> irrelevant chatter and arguments from this list before it lets you download 
> the essential email.
> 
> Thanks for the help I received earlier in the week with my actual KX3 related 
> question :-)
> 
> 73
> 
> phil G4PWO
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[Elecraft] Eclipse update

[Wayne Burdick]

We're our way up I-5 to Corvallis. There's *no* traffic, suggesting that all 
the gloomy predictions dissuaded some potential travelers. 

Corvallis webcams showed bright sunshine at 8 this morning. Looking good so 
far. 

20 m was quite active in all band segments yesterday. Most of my QSOs were on 
SSB running 10 W to the 4' whip. The KX2's auto-notch and filtering helped a 
lot with QRM. 

Signing /7 got me more attention than /QRP

Wayne
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[Elecraft] Elecraft -I have unsubscribed

[Philip Anderson]

After being overwhelmed with the number of emails (ironically most 
recently, on the topic of changing the list to make it more manageable) 
I have unsubscribed from this list.


I will re-subscribe if Elecraft change the system so that I'm no longer 
inundated with emails that are off-topic regarding my specific interest 
in Elecraft products.


I suggest at very least splitting the list into a low volume (Elecraft 
support questions ONLY) and a high volume chit-chat list for Elecraft 
fans so that those only interest in messages directly related to their 
Elecraft product can avoid all the irrelevant chit-chat.


In answer to the people who tell me that I just need to manage the list 
properly using filters, folders and threading on my email client - I 
already do that on my home computer, but try doing all of that on an 
iPhone email client.


Also, try picking up that 1 essential business email over a really slow 
cellular connection when your phone is determined to download 1,000's of 
irrelevant chatter and arguments from this list before it lets you 
download the essential email.


Thanks for the help I received earlier in the week with my actual KX3 
related question :-)


73

phil G4PWO
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Edward R Cole]

Ain't broke so why fix it?  I subscribe via the digest as it keeps 
all Elecraft related e-mail in single e-mail instead of spread 
throughout my in-basket.  I subscribe to many other reflectors so I 
do not need this one segmented into many sub-lists.  Do that and I 
will unsubscribe.  I'm mainly here to keep up on Elecraft equipment topics.


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum

[Jim Brown]

On 8/19/2017 8:53 AM, Doug Hensley wrote:

I subscribe to the digest mode and get two, sometimes three, digests a day.


I subscribe to nearly two dozen email reflectors. Always individual 
emails. Most are to my pop-mail accounts, for which I use Thunderbird. 
For a few that are yahoo groups, I use yahoo mail. Thunderbird and yahoo 
mail are easy to set up with a mailbox for each reflector, and, should 
you want to do so, to even sort on key words.


Once, many years ago, I tried digest mode while I was out of the country 
on vacation. I HATED it, because it was so difficult to manage. With 
individual messages, it's easy to use my delete key while saving those 
posts I want to keep as references.


I've occasionally visited forums to look things up, but never return. I 
would be very unlikely to read a forum unless I had a problem to solve.


73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] List serve or forum?

[Lawrence Wright]

Appreciate all the comments. This approach works just fine for me. In fact it 
is much faster to read. Forums are also excellent but require more work to 
maintain and honestly, I really don't want to log into something else. 

Larry
Ke7ukw

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Erik Basilier]

I have my email client set up automatically to move *all* messages from this
list to one folder. Right now I have enough spare time to go to that folder
every day and read what interests me. I guess that is similar to reading the
digest. At times when I am very busy, I just don't look at the Elecraft
folder at all. My inbox doesn't show anything from this list. Sure, I might
miss an important piece of news about a new product, or an important new
feature, etc, but seriously, if I am really busy, I am better off not
knowing about those things. When I again have more time available, I can
easily go back to the Elecraft folder, and read it all, or just search for
interesting keywords. Faster and more convenient than using the archives.
The folder takes up a lot of disk space, but that is cheap nowadays. My
conclusion: The list is fine as it is.

73,
Erik K7TV

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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:51 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum
instead?

No, you wouldn't have to go to multiple places.  You click your Bookmark for
the Elecraft forum - one place.  If you like to see EVERYTHING that's new,
you click the New Posts button.  If you are only interested in the K3, you
click the K3 subforum that is a link on the main main of the Elecraft forum.

When you're done, you click Mark All Forums Read, and next time you log in,
you see what's new.  

Search is very easy and customizable - by subject, author, title, date
range, etc.  That alone would cut down on considerable traffic, as the same
questions wouldn't be repeated over and over.

It's very easy.  I read probably half a dozen forums (mostly non-ham) and
it's a part of my morning routine.  It's a lot less time consuming and
cumbersome than reading through emails, filters or not.

Of course, the final decision resides with the Elecraft powers-that-be.  It
surprises me that such a customer-friendly and state-of-the-art group hasn't
already taken this step.  Just food for thought...

Barry W2UP


Allan Zadiraka wrote
> Since I own a number of Elecraft products, I am very happy with the 
> current setup.  Separate forums would mean I would have to go to 
> multiple places to follow the different products.  The Elecraft 
> traffic is a minor part of my daily email load (~500/day) and I am 
> interested in seeing trends on other Elecraft products in case I want 
> to evaluate purchasing one.
> 
> zeke
> ab8ou







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[Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Dauer, Edward]

I agree with Grant and others.  There are advantages to a Forum, but I would 
regret losing the open-textured character of a reflector.  I think of it as if 
it were an OTA net among friends and colleagues and potential friends and 
colleagues with common interests.  Not always very efficient, but a 
conversational nexus with its own advantages.  

If I need something very specific there’s always the topical archives.  Or a 
question to the goup.

Ted, KN1CBR


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Re: [Elecraft] Reflector change?

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Don't change a thing...

Charlie k3ICH



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Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change?

Wayne, Eric,

Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now.  Please, no changes.

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Eclipse logistics and em-comm nets?

[Graham Kimbell]

Interesting geography lesson from all the comments.  I saw the eclipse 
(I think it was in 1999) in France and it was great.  I took a telescope 
and projected the image onto some card - that was a hit with the 
locals.  The French police stopped all the traffic on the autoroutes, 
fearing someone would try to watch it whilst driving, or be unable to 
adapt to the darkness.  No problems apart from some cloud.


Enjoy the day!
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Re: [Elecraft] Reflector change?

[Kevin der Kinderen]

You can't get a group of hams together and not sway from the topic.
Impossible. And people will live happier lives if they understand this.
Hams talk, talk, talk and talk. Even their salutations after a good QSO can
drag on because they don't want to stop talking. Personally, I think that's
a good thing. It's a natural fit.

I could live with either this mail list or with a bulletin board type forum
with "categories" but really, this is good enough for me. With categories I
would have to read multiple sections to get in on all the action.

I do wish there was a way to easily move off the list for long, drawn out
or off topic discussions and in fact I kind of think there is. An air
conditioning conversation started out on this thread and moved off to a
small group sharing information by email. Turns out it is a very useful
conversation. Once you're on that list of people interested in a particular
subject it is kind of hard to get out of it because everyone would have to
remove you from their reply. One person doesn't and you're right back in
the conversation. But still a solution for this list.

It does get rough sometimes but when I start seeing a long thread that
doesn't interest me I just keep in mind... it obviously interests someone
else and I shouldn't try to shut them down (see below). I'm not the
moderator and really, I don't like rules that much anyway.

Apologies... I've added snarky comments to long, OT threads in the past.
Not good. Sorry.


73,
Kev K4VD



On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Jim Cassidy  wrote:

> I agree with Ken.  If the traffic is kept to a minimum as expressed by
> Eric when threads become too long the current reflector is OK.
> I assume as well the main purpose is to stay on topic on Elecraft
> equipment issues and not the straying way off topic.
>
> 73
> Jim KI7Y
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken G Kopp" 
> To: "Elecraft" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:41:11 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change?
>
> Wayne, Eric,
>
> Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now.  Please, no changes.
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
> N7HKW
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Brian D]

I like the list as is, but moderation could be tweaked perhaps. I subscribe
(and learn from) several tens of lists. I am subscribed to a few fora, but
very rarely visit them. 

Keep the list as is!


a45wg  wrote:

> I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft
> products. I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum
> approaches.
> 
> I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I  will I ever buy one (Got the
> KX3!!)- but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail,
> the same goes for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters
> and Macro programming.
> 
> Regards to all
> 
>Tim, A45WG
> 
> 
>


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Tommy]

 Agreed X10! I like this reflector personally.

73!

Tom - KB2SMS

KX2 #01927


On 08/19/2017 11:43 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:

Grant is right on.

As I said in the last one of these discussions, "What's all the fuss 
about?"


If there is a change, please, please, please don't go to Yahoo or 
Google groups.  They are pathetic.


Wes  N7WS


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Richard Lamont]

On 19/08/17 13:12, Barry wrote:
> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. 
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
> 
> Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.

With respect, I disagree. This email list is easy enough to manage if
you use a decent email client, such as Thunderbird. I read 19 different
lists and groups this way, some of them high volume like this one.

For each list, I have filters that automatically sort incoming messages
into one of 19 folders, leaving just non-list stuff in my default inbox.
I then view the lists in 'threaded' mode, and if there's a thread I'm
not following, or if I haven't got time to read the list at all that
day, I just 'mark thread as read' or 'mark all as read'.

A web forum does none of this, and you can only go through the messages
as fast as the forum's web server will let you. It's a thoroughly
inferior way of working.

That said, I wish this list was restricted to Elecraft-related topics
only - there's far too much noise IMHO.


73,
Richard G4DYA
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[Elecraft] K2 Control Software

[Steve & Anne Ray]

I have been using Dan's KE6D K2 program for years.  It is easy to use, and
works great.

 

The link for Dan's page is http://www.qsl.net/ke6d/   

 

73,

Steve K4JPN

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum

[Doug Hensley]

I'm probably alone in this but I disagree.  Most people do not

own most of the Elecraft products and many subscribers do not

own any products at all but are here to observe & learn.  We don't

even know what to be interested in yet and this list gives us a way

to expose ourselves to the information we need to make decisions

as well as to observe how people who do own products are faring.

It's quite nice to be able to ask questions even though we might

not own the product.  And where else do you ever see product

management give their regular & helpful support?


I subscribe to the digest mode and get two, sometimes three,

digests a day.  The summary at the top quickly shows the subject

of each message and at that point I can delete the whole thing if

nothing down further needs reading.  The only drawback I find

is that a forgetful "reply" message can send the whole blasted thing

back to the list inconveniencing everyone one but I think that is

not a big problem right now.


I also like the wide mix of topics as it keeps me informed and tells

me about products, events & things that on a forum I would never

see unless I wandered through a forum going from one branch to

another for no reason at all.  That seems silly.  While I can understand

the attraction to a neat, clean, focused input of only what one is

interested in and can only surmise that if this list seems unmanageable,

it is probably because the digest mode is not being used.   If you

haven't used it, sacrifice the need to be a first responder to "the day's

bargain ad" and relax a little.  There's plenty to go around and the

Elecraft list is a great connection to the real world and many of its most

talented people.


Cheers,


Doug W5JV







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Re: [Elecraft] Reflector change?

[Jim Cassidy]

I agree with Ken.  If the traffic is kept to a minimum as expressed by Eric 
when threads become too long the current reflector is OK.
I assume as well the main purpose is to stay on topic on Elecraft equipment 
issues and not the straying way off topic.

73
Jim KI7Y

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To: "Elecraft" 
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:41:11 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector change?

Wayne, Eric,

Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now.  Please, no changes.

73

K0PP
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[Elecraft] KX3 and N1MM+ SSB Messages

[Mike Kasrich]

I am wanting to use N1MM+ to send messages but I am getting an error 
message. I was told KY codes could be used the same as cw but apparently 
I am not well versed in such codes.



I am getting an error "invalid recording filename, abort". Any clues to 
what I am overlooking?


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 'S3' segment always on

[Nr4c]

You have the RF gain control set to a value less than zero. It's an indicator 
to give you a gain reference since there is no printed scale or even a 
dedicated control for it. 

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> On Aug 19, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Nicklas Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I updated to the 2.76 KX3 firmware Thursday, and noticed when I set things
> up today that the bar graph segment under what would be S3 is now
> constantly on, true whether I'm in CMP/ALC mode or the regular mode.
> 
> Is there a new feature I missed and the graph is actually telling me
> something useful, or is this behavior unexpected?
> 
>   Nick
> 
> -- 
> *N6OL*
> Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make it
> real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not
> worth supporting.
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Barry]

No, you wouldn't have to go to multiple places.  You click your Bookmark for
the Elecraft forum - one place.  If you like to see EVERYTHING that's new,
you click the New Posts button.  If you are only interested in the K3, you
click the K3 subforum that is a link on the main main of the Elecraft forum. 
When you're done, you click Mark All Forums Read, and next time you log in,
you see what's new.  

Search is very easy and customizable - by subject, author, title, date
range, etc.  That alone would cut down on considerable traffic, as the same
questions wouldn't be repeated over and over.

It's very easy.  I read probably half a dozen forums (mostly non-ham) and
it's a part of my morning routine.  It's a lot less time consuming and
cumbersome than reading through emails, filters or not.

Of course, the final decision resides with the Elecraft powers-that-be.  It
surprises me that such a customer-friendly and state-of-the-art group hasn't
already taken this step.  Just food for thought...

Barry W2UP


Allan Zadiraka wrote
> Since I own a number of Elecraft products, I am very happy with the
> current
> setup.  Separate forums would mean I would have to go to multiple places
> to
> follow the different products.  The Elecraft traffic is a minor part of my
> daily email load (~500/day) and I am interested in seeing trends on other
> Elecraft products in case I want to evaluate purchasing one.
> 
> zeke
> ab8ou 







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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 'S3' segment always on

[Nicklas Johnson]

Got it, thank you! I guess I was pretty far behind and just missed this
one. Now that I know what it means, it's quite a useful reminder!

   Nick

On Aug 19, 2017 10:46 AM, "Wayne Burdick"  wrote:

> Hi Nick,
>
> Adjust RF gain max clockwise (-0 dB). RF gain (actually loss) level is
> indicated by a segment on the S-meter.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> 
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>
> > On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:17 AM, Nicklas Johnson  wrote:
> >
> > I updated to the 2.76 KX3 firmware Thursday, and noticed when I set
> things
> > up today that the bar graph segment under what would be S3 is now
> > constantly on, true whether I'm in CMP/ALC mode or the regular mode.
> >
> > Is there a new feature I missed and the graph is actually telling me
> > something useful, or is this behavior unexpected?
> >
> >   Nick
> >
> > --
> > *N6OL*
> > Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make
> it
> > real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not
> > worth supporting.
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 'S3' segment always on

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi Nick,

Adjust RF gain max clockwise (-0 dB). RF gain (actually loss) level is 
indicated by a segment on the S-meter. 

Wayne
N6KR



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> On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:17 AM, Nicklas Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I updated to the 2.76 KX3 firmware Thursday, and noticed when I set things
> up today that the bar graph segment under what would be S3 is now
> constantly on, true whether I'm in CMP/ALC mode or the regular mode.
> 
> Is there a new feature I missed and the graph is actually telling me
> something useful, or is this behavior unexpected?
> 
>   Nick
> 
> -- 
> *N6OL*
> Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make it
> real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not
> worth supporting.
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Wes Stewart]

Grant is right on.

As I said in the last one of these discussions, "What's all the fuss about?"

If there is a change, please, please, please don't go to Yahoo or Google 
groups.  They are pathetic.


Wes  N7WS

On 8/19/2017 7:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

Really?  A separate forum for Macros  Would that be TWO forums — one for 
KX3 macros and one for K3 macros?  Or separate forums for the KX# used only for 
a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?

It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper.  Did they write letters to the 
editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested in and 
how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more 
difficult?  Was there a customized option delivered to their door that 
contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to 
read?  Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn’t 
personally interesting?

In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or a 
forum, although my personal preference is the former.  I’d probably read the 
whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might 
be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their personal navel 
in the subject line.

The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and 
just adds to the queue length  …  last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I 
was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)



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[Elecraft] Reflector change?

[Ken G Kopp]

Wayne, Eric,

Rose and I much prefer the reflector as it is now.  Please, no changes.

73

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[Elecraft] KX3 'S3' segment always on

[Nicklas Johnson]

I updated to the 2.76 KX3 firmware Thursday, and noticed when I set things
up today that the bar graph segment under what would be S3 is now
constantly on, true whether I'm in CMP/ALC mode or the regular mode.

Is there a new feature I missed and the graph is actually telling me
something useful, or is this behavior unexpected?

   Nick

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Allan Zadiraka]

Since I own a number of Elecraft products, I am very happy with the current
setup.  Separate forums would mean I would have to go to multiple places to
follow the different products.  The Elecraft traffic is a minor part of my
daily email load (~500/day) and I am interested in seeing trends on other
Elecraft products in case I want to evaluate purchasing one.

zeke
ab8ou



On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Michael Bower  wrote:

> I MUCH prefer the reflector because I don't have to do anything but read
> and/or delete.  I don't have to 'go anywhere' to get the messages.  They
> are in my mailbox.
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN 
> wrote:
>
> > Really?  A separate forum for Macros  Would that be TWO forums — one
> > for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros?  Or separate forums for the KX#
> used
> > only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?
> >
> > It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper.  Did they write letters
> to
> > the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t
> interested
> > in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their
> > life more difficult?  Was there a customized option delivered to their
> door
> > that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they
> > wanted to read?  Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff
> that
> > wasn’t personally interesting?
> >
> > In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or
> > a forum, although my personal preference is the former.  I’d probably
> read
> > the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when
> > there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have
> their
> > personal navel in the subject line.
> >
> > The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered,
> > and just adds to the queue length  …  last time I had that kind of tunnel
> > vision I was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)
> >
> > >
> > > That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests
> > you...  If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums.  If you like
> Macros,
> > sub to a a third forum...
> > >
> > > That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with
> a
> > KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set
> > because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject
> > lines.
> > >
> >
> > Grant NQ5T
> > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Dave Cole]

Hello Grant,

On 08/19/2017 07:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

Really?  A separate forum for Macros  Would that be TWO forums — one for 
KX3 macros and one for K3 macros?  Or separate forums for the KX# used only for 
a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?
You appear to be creating intentionally obfuscated conditions in which 
you can make something appear to not work...  Forums have worked for 
decades...



It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper.  Did they write letters to the 
editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested in and 
how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more 
difficult?  Was there a customized option delivered to their door that 
contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to 
read?  Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn’t 
personally interesting?
If the Internet were a Newspaper then your argument would hold some 
validity, it is however not a newspaper, so your analogy fails, as does 
your argument.  Again, the custom obfuscated conditions to make a point...



In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or a 
forum, although my personal preference is the former.  I’d probably read the 
whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might 
be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their personal navel 
in the subject line.
You get what you want, to see all posts, and others get what they want 
to be able to sort posts...  Good idea!!



The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and 
just adds to the queue length  …  last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I 
was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)
Sigh...  Insulting people for making suggestions is probably not the way 
to win them over to your point...  A reasoned argument is better.


73s and thanks,
Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Michael Walker]

Email works for me.  Easy to delete.  Easy to search.  Easy to catalog.

The advantage of using Gmail.  Zero Spam.

It gets pushed to me and I don't have to go looking for it.

Mike va3mw


On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Philip Anderson  wrote:

> I was going to suggest splitting the list into 2 lists - a high volume
> list for general chit-chat, and a low volume list that's restricted to only
> discussing technical questions with Elecraft products.
>
>
> I'm not interested in things like the eclipse in america, and would like
> to unsubscribe from such content directly into my inbox.
>
>
> I guess the discussion could be further threaded by creating separate
> lists for separate Elecraft products (or groups of products) - if it was
> preferred to stick with a "push" email system and not go with a forum.
>
>
> phil G4PWO
>
>
>
> On 19/08/2017 13:12, Barry wrote:
>
>> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more
>> traffic.
>> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
>> all lumped in.
>>
>> Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
>> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
>> and choose topics of interest.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Barry W2UP
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Michael Bower]

I MUCH prefer the reflector because I don't have to do anything but read
and/or delete.  I don't have to 'go anywhere' to get the messages.  They
are in my mailbox.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN 
wrote:

> Really?  A separate forum for Macros  Would that be TWO forums — one
> for KX3 macros and one for K3 macros?  Or separate forums for the KX# used
> only for a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?
>
> It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper.  Did they write letters to
> the editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested
> in and how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their
> life more difficult?  Was there a customized option delivered to their door
> that contained only the very specific news items or points of view they
> wanted to read?  Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that
> wasn’t personally interesting?
>
> In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or
> a forum, although my personal preference is the former.  I’d probably read
> the whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when
> there might be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their
> personal navel in the subject line.
>
> The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered,
> and just adds to the queue length  …  last time I had that kind of tunnel
> vision I was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)
>
> >
> > That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests
> you...  If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums.  If you like Macros,
> sub to a a third forum...
> >
> > That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a
> KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set
> because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject
> lines.
> >
>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] N6TV Y-Box For Sale (Sold)

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Really?  A separate forum for Macros  Would that be TWO forums — one for 
KX3 macros and one for K3 macros?  Or separate forums for the KX# used only for 
a home station and a KX# used while backpacking?

It makes me wonder how people read a newspaper.  Did they write letters to the 
editor complaining about all of the OT stories they weren’t interested in and 
how turning so many pages (especially on Sunday) that made their life more 
difficult?  Was there a customized option delivered to their door that 
contained only the very specific news items or points of view they wanted to 
read?  Did they complain about ink and paper usage for stuff that wasn’t 
personally interesting?

In the end I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a reflector or a 
forum, although my personal preference is the former.  I’d probably read the 
whole thing anyway (or all 15 of them?), since one never knows when there might 
be a tidbit of actual good information that doesn’t have their personal navel 
in the subject line.  

The whole argument about it is kind of silly, egregiously self-centered, and 
just adds to the queue length  …  last time I had that kind of tunnel vision I 
was pulling high G’s in a jet trainer :-)

> 
> That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests 
> you...  If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums.  If you like Macros, 
> sub to a a third forum...
> 
> That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a KX3, 
> (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set because 
> people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject lines.
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Philip Anderson]

I was going to suggest splitting the list into 2 lists - a high volume 
list for general chit-chat, and a low volume list that's restricted to 
only discussing technical questions with Elecraft products.



I'm not interested in things like the eclipse in america, and would like 
to unsubscribe from such content directly into my inbox.



I guess the discussion could be further threaded by creating separate 
lists for separate Elecraft products (or groups of products) - if it was 
preferred to stick with a "push" email system and not go with a forum.



phil G4PWO



On 19/08/2017 13:12, Barry wrote:

As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic.
It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Roger D Johnson]

I really like the format on Antique Radios:

http://antiqueradios.com/forums/

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[john]

I concur. I also read the archives and it just saved me from deleting the
three dozen eclipse posts that have nothing to do with Elecraft.
Unfortunately I do not see a good way to search the archives, it is quite
easy to do with the lists on contesting.com.


John  KK9A


John AE5X wrote:
Sat Aug 19 09:00:32 EDT 2017


I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the
most difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the
daily summary email...

A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly)  at the list
of messages here:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html

and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email
delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank
you.

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Dave Cole]

That is the beauty of a forum, you can subscribe to just what interests 
you...  If you like KX3s and KX2s, sub to both forums.  If you like 
Macros, sub to a a third forum...


That way I don't have to see the discussions about walking around with a 
KX3, (I own a K3), and/or construct an almost daily changing filter set 
because people fail to add either, OT, or the radio name to the subject 
lines.


73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 08/19/2017 07:05 AM, a45wg wrote:

I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft products. 
I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum approaches.

I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I  will I ever buy one (Got the KX3!!)- 
but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail, the same goes 
for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters and Macro 
programming.

Regards to all

Tim, A45WG



On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

Respectfully-- of course there will be a change.  As KX3 owners move to the 
proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 forums the 
entire feel of the list will change.  That was, I believe, the idea behind the 
OPs original suggestion, which I support.

Soapbox mode on:

Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all the posts 
foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes...

Soapbox mode off


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Dave Cole]

While I whole heartedly agree the forum needs looking at, it is after 
all Elecraft's forum, and as such, they get to do with it as they 
please


I will be happy with any result, but I would be happier with a forum change.

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On 08/19/2017 07:04 AM, Steve Mollman via Elecraft wrote:

Another vote for a Forum format.  I use forums for several specialty/collector 
cars.  MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the subjects that interest me.  
Using Nabble to find information is time consuming and very awkward.

  Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention several times in the 
past, for some reason they keep shooting it down.  It is time to update this to the 21st 
century.  For a company that prides itself on customer service and 
"friendliness" the present method is a failure.


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[a45wg]

I personally like seeing the cool stuff people do with their Elecraft products. 
I fear this will be lost using vBulletin or similar forum approaches.

I do not have a KX2 and I do not think I  will I ever buy one (Got the KX3!!)- 
but I like reading about people going to Walk the Camino Trail, the same goes 
for the remote Ops, the same for the info regarding filters and Macro 
programming.

Regards to all

   Tim, A45WG


> On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
> 
> Respectfully-- of course there will be a change.  As KX3 owners move to the 
> proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 forums the 
> entire feel of the list will change.  That was, I believe, the idea behind 
> the OPs original suggestion, which I support.
> 
> Soapbox mode on:
> 
> Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all the 
> posts foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes...
> 
> Soapbox mode off
> 
> 
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Steve Mollman via Elecraft]

Another vote for a Forum format.  I use forums for several specialty/collector 
cars.  MUCH easier to navigate and isolate the subjects that interest me.  
Using Nabble to find information is time consuming and very awkward. 

 Even though this subject has been brought to Elecraft's attention several 
times in the past, for some reason they keep shooting it down.  It is time to 
update this to the 21st century.  For a company that prides itself on customer 
service and "friendliness" the present method is a failure.


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 generating signal

[Mike Harris]

Not quite the full story, so no cigar. From the KX3 Owners Manual p49 
"RF band-pass filters":



Following the band pass filters and T/R switching are two RF 
preamplifiers and an attenuator. These provide various tradeoffs between 
RF gain and noise figure (or MDS), as well as local oscillator (LO) 
isolation. The latter would be useful in situations where another 
receiver in close proximity could be tuned to the same
frequency. A problem inherent in most direct conversion (zero IF) 
receivers is that some LO energy leaks to the antenna and is radiated. 
This can be a problem when another receiver & antenna is in very close 
proximity and is tuned to the same frequency. The isolation preamp in 
the KX3 (RX ISO menu entry) virtually eliminates this signal leakage.



Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 19/08/2017 10:00, Richard Ferch wrote:

The KX3 is a direct-conversion transceiver, not a superhet. The behaviour
you observed is normal with any direct-conversion receiver. The local
oscillator operates directly on the signal frequency and can be heard in a
nearby receiver.

73,
Rich VE3KI

AE4RM wrote:


Today when operating QRP, the gentleman I was at the park with wanted to
compare receiving a CW signal. We weren't comparing rigs but antennas. He
had a FT 817.

When he tuned to the frequency I was listening to it sounded like someone
was tuning up on frequency on his radio. I changed frequencies and the
noise went away.  When I tuned back to where he was, it came back. We

could

only hear it on his radio but my KX3 was definitely generating the signal.

This was on 40m around 7020.

What would cause this? It does not seem normal.

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Dave Cole]

Respectfully-- of course there will be a change.  As KX3 owners move to 
the proposed new KX3 forum, and K3 owners move to the proposed new K3 
forums the entire feel of the list will change.  That was, I believe, 
the idea behind the OPs original suggestion, which I support.


Soapbox mode on:

Alas, the request for forums will get probably get drowned out in all 
the posts foretelling doom and gloom to the mail list if anything changes...


Soapbox mode off


73s and thanks,
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Meh …

I use several forums for a range of topics I have an interest in — ham and not 
ham — they also have their plusses and minuses.  And I fully agree that 
conversion to a forum structure will significantly alter the kind of 
interaction that takes place.

I subscribe to several active reflectors, and don’t feel much sympathy for 
folks who complain about how difficult  it makes their lives to sort through 
their inbox from just this ONE ;-)  Most of the time It isn’t very busy on a 
relative basis :-)

And like other comments, once I have to actually visit a forum because I've 
shut down the feed on individual messages, or just occasionally visit the 
archives of a reflector to see what’s been going on, it’s a good sign I’m 
losing interest and eventually just drop out.




> If someone joins a forum but most of their traffic comes to their inbox,
> the forum activity will be muted in the continuing flood of emails. I've
> done this myself when I lose interest in something I subscribe to; change
> to "forum only" so I have to go to the forum (and of course never do).
> 
> This is a big change to those accustomed to getting inbox traffic. I
> guarantee there will be either a falloff or a shift in the dynamic of the
> community.
> 
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Jamie WW3S]

where's the LIKE Button ?!?!?!1

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum 
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I've enjoyed the reflector approach.  The forum would allow for more
classification and potentially easier searching, but I believe we'll
lose responsiveness and "that something" that I sense here on the reflector.

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On 8/19/2017 7:12 AM, Barry wrote:
As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more 
traffic.

It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

Barry W2UP


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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Clay Autery]

I've enjoyed the reflector approach.  The forum would allow for more
classification and potentially easier searching, but I believe we'll
lose responsiveness and "that something" that I sense here on the reflector.

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On 8/19/2017 7:12 AM, Barry wrote:
> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. 
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
>
> Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Barry W2UP

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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[rich hurd WC3T]

Therein lies the age old conundrum.  Do you use a "pull" mechanism (a
forum) requiring a subscriber to go get the information from the site, or a
"push" mechanism where the data shows up in the inbox?

I've been both a forum admin (even a sysop at CompuServe) and an email
admin, so I've dealt with both.

If someone joins a forum but most of their traffic comes to their inbox,
the forum activity will be muted in the continuing flood of emails. I've
done this myself when I lose interest in something I subscribe to; change
to "forum only" so I have to go to the forum (and of course never do).

This is a big change to those accustomed to getting inbox traffic. I
guarantee there will be either a falloff or a shift in the dynamic of the
community.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 08:12 Barry  wrote:

> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic.
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
>
> Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Steve Sergeant]

Like other email lists which convert to a forum, it would change the
whole character of the group and interactions. In my mind it would make
it less social, less friendly, and fewer people would bother to share
their knowledge and experience. I would only visit such a forum if I had
my own specific question to ask or problem to solve; I wouldn't think to
just cruise it to look for ways to help others.

The answer to the problem you describe is for people to get real email
clients with filtering and threading, and to learn how to use them.

Even with Thunderbird, which is just an OK email client, I can easily
manage to volume on this list. I filter all messages to its own separate
mailbox, and they age-off (are deleted) automatically when they're older
than about six weeks.


On 8/19/17 5:12 AM, Barry wrote:
> As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. 
> It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
> all lumped in.
> 
> Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
> product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
> and choose topics of interest.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Barry W2UP
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[John AE5X]

I don't know why so many people insist on making use of this list in the most 
difficult way possible - by receiving individual emails or via the daily 
summary email...

A far easier way is to just look periodically (daily, hourly)  at the list of 
messages here:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2017-August/date.html

and click on the topics that are of interest to you. Turn off the email 
delivery function of list postings entirely - your "Delete" key will thank you.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 generating signal

[Richard Ferch]

The KX3 is a direct-conversion transceiver, not a superhet. The behaviour
you observed is normal with any direct-conversion receiver. The local
oscillator operates directly on the signal frequency and can be heard in a
nearby receiver.

73,
Rich VE3KI

AE4RM wrote:

> Today when operating QRP, the gentleman I was at the park with wanted to
> compare receiving a CW signal. We weren't comparing rigs but antennas. He
> had a FT 817.
>
> When he tuned to the frequency I was listening to it sounded like someone
> was tuning up on frequency on his radio. I changed frequencies and the
> noise went away.  When I tuned back to where he was, it came back. We
could
> only hear it on his radio but my KX3 was definitely generating the signal.
>
> This was on 40m around 7020.
>
> What would cause this? It does not seem normal.
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Re: [Elecraft] Make this email list more manageable - a forum instead?

[Dave Cole]

I heartedly agree, at an average of around 1000 messages per month, it 
is getting very difficult to just hit delete, or filter out the vast 
number of OT messages...


Having sub forums would be wonderful.

73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 08/19/2017 05:12 AM, Barry wrote:

As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic.
It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

Barry W2UP



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[Barry]

As Elecraft has grown, this email list has gotten quite a bit more traffic. 
It's not easy to manage, especially with the increasing number of products
all lumped in.

Why not convert it over to a forum?  Use vBulletin or similar, and every
product can have its own subcategory, and it would be much easier to pick
and choose topics of interest.

Thoughts?

Barry W2UP



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[Elecraft] N6TV Y-Box For Sale

[Mike VE3YF]

Hi:

Plans have changed and I no longer require a 2nd Y-Box. I have 1 x Brand 
New Y-Box For Sale Shipped $125 to Canada/USA.


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[Elecraft] KX3 generating signal

[Roger Meadows]

Today when operating QRP, the gentleman I was at the park with wanted to
compare receiving a CW signal. We weren't comparing rigs but antennas. He
had a FT 817.

When he tuned to the frequency I was listening to it sounded like someone
was tuning up on frequency on his radio. I changed frequencies and the
noise went away.  When I tuned back to where he was, it came back. We could
only hear it on his radio but my KX3 was definitely generating the signal.

This was on 40m around 7020.

What would cause this? It does not seem normal.
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[Elecraft] [K3s} VFO B Display Options

[MaverickNH]

I seems I keep disabling my ability to display multiple types of information
on rotation of VFO B on my K3S. I must be reading the manual wrong on how to
enable as I can't seem to do it right. Help appreciated. Goes in my personal
K3S FAQ index of things to remember that I forget!

Bret/N4SRN



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