Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison

2019-05-20 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Hi Brian,

Its a regular RJ-45 Ethernet jack on the rear of the K4. (I believe it is 
gigabit ethernet..) Usually your network router provides the wifi to connect 
wirelessly in the house (also including a DCHP iP address server.)

Embedding wifi in the radio is problematic as it is a rapidly evolving 
technology with regular changes in security features, speed etc that are best 
handled by router sw  and hw upgrades. Its unlikely wifi will stay constant 
over the radio's life.

73, 
Eric
elecraft.com
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> On May 20, 2019, at 8:24 PM, Brian Denley  wrote:
> 
> Wayne:
> When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me), it must 
> also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?
> 
> Brian
> KB1VBF
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
>>> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Charlie,
>> 
>> The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and 
>> have put it on the air.
>> 
>> It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked 
>> ... here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
>> 
>> * Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3, 
>> but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest 
>> available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were 
>> extremely complimentary about the display, which was gratifying after 200 or 
>> so iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three 
>> multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g. 
>> "XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the 
>> right side of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive 
>> optical shaft encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to 
>> multi-task one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do get 
>> stuck, there's a built-in help system.
>> 
>> * Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its 
>> base configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual 
>> superhet module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking 
>> dynamic range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same 
>> delta as, for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
>> 
>> * Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps 
>> on RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field 
>> Day site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
>> 
>> • Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in. 
>> One K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have 
>> demonstrated this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.
>> 
>> * Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to 
>> facilitate easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes 
>> available. For example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a 
>> new ADC or DAC. Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary 
>> of the K2, and the 10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.
>> 
>> * Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to 
>> add a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the future. This 
>> philosophy extends to software as well, given the K4's general-purpose 
>> computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of it as our "app engine," 
>> limited only by the imagination of our software team and other talented 
>> contributors.
>> 
>> * External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
>> 
>> * Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4. 
>> When you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the 
>> main panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral 
>> display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying per mode). This is great for 
>> signal auto-spotting and left/right peak search. The mini-pan is 
>> per-receiver and can either be turned on automatically or by tapping either 
>> S-meter.
>> 
>> • IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of 
>> the analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet, 
>> etc.
>> 
>> * Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive 
>> antenna inputs.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison

2019-05-20 Thread Alan
For less than $10 you can buy a little WiFi adapter that plugs into a 
USB port.  For example:


https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN725N-wireless-network-Adapter/dp/B008IFXQFU/ 



Alan N1AL


On 5/20/19 8:24 PM, Brian Denley wrote:

Wayne:
When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me), it must 
also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?

Brian
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:


Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:

OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?


Hi Charlie,

The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and have 
put it on the air.

It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked ... 
here are some K4 characteristics to consider:

* Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3, but with an 
infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest available viewing angle 
and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were extremely complimentary about the display, 
which was gratifying after 200 or so iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There 
are three multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g. 
"XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the right side 
of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive optical shaft encoders, for VFO A, 
VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to multi-task one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of 
use. If you do get stuck, there's a built-in help system.

* Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its base 
configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual superhet 
module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking dynamic 
range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same delta as, 
for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.

* Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps on 
RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field Day 
site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.

• Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in. One 
K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have demonstrated 
this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.

* Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to facilitate 
easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes available. For 
example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a new ADC or DAC. 
Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary of the K2, and the 
10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.

* Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to add a VHF/UHF 
module, which in turn could morph in the future. This philosophy extends to software as 
well, given the K4's general-purpose computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of 
it as our "app engine," limited only by the imagination of our software team 
and other talented contributors.

* External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)

* Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4. When 
you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the main panadapter's 
pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz 
(varying per mode). This is great for signal auto-spotting and left/right peak search. 
The mini-pan is per-receiver and can either be turned on automatically or by tapping 
either S-meter.

• IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of the 
analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet, etc.

* Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive 
antenna inputs.

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison

2019-05-20 Thread Brian Denley
Or are you saying that you connect the K4 to your in house router through 
Ethernet and then access it through WiFi?  (It’s making sense to me now! Hehe).

Thanks
Brian
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> On May 20, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Brian Denley  wrote:
> 
> Wayne:
> When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me), it must 
> also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?
> 
> Brian
> KB1VBF
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
>>> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Charlie,
>> 
>> The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and 
>> have put it on the air.
>> 
>> It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked 
>> ... here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
>> 
>> * Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3, 
>> but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest 
>> available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were 
>> extremely complimentary about the display, which was gratifying after 200 or 
>> so iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three 
>> multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g. 
>> "XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the 
>> right side of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive 
>> optical shaft encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to 
>> multi-task one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do get 
>> stuck, there's a built-in help system.
>> 
>> * Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its 
>> base configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual 
>> superhet module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking 
>> dynamic range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same 
>> delta as, for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
>> 
>> * Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps 
>> on RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field 
>> Day site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
>> 
>> • Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in. 
>> One K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have 
>> demonstrated this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.
>> 
>> * Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to 
>> facilitate easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes 
>> available. For example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a 
>> new ADC or DAC. Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary 
>> of the K2, and the 10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.
>> 
>> * Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to 
>> add a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the future. This 
>> philosophy extends to software as well, given the K4's general-purpose 
>> computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of it as our "app engine," 
>> limited only by the imagination of our software team and other talented 
>> contributors.
>> 
>> * External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
>> 
>> * Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4. 
>> When you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the 
>> main panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral 
>> display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying per mode). This is great for 
>> signal auto-spotting and left/right peak search. The mini-pan is 
>> per-receiver and can either be turned on automatically or by tapping either 
>> S-meter.
>> 
>> • IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of 
>> the analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet, 
>> etc.
>> 
>> * Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive 
>> antenna inputs.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison

2019-05-20 Thread Brian Denley
Wayne:
When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me), it must 
also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?

Brian
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

>> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
>> 
>> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?
> 
> 
> Hi Charlie,
> 
> The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and 
> have put it on the air.
> 
> It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked 
> ... here are some K4 characteristics to consider:
> 
> * Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3, 
> but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest 
> available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were 
> extremely complimentary about the display, which was gratifying after 200 or 
> so iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three 
> multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g. 
> "XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the 
> right side of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive optical 
> shaft encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to multi-task 
> one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do get stuck, there's a 
> built-in help system.
> 
> * Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its 
> base configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual 
> superhet module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking 
> dynamic range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same 
> delta as, for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.
> 
> * Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps 
> on RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field 
> Day site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.
> 
> • Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in. 
> One K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have 
> demonstrated this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.
> 
> * Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to facilitate 
> easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes available. For 
> example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a new ADC or DAC. 
> Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary of the K2, and 
> the 10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.
> 
> * Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to 
> add a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the future. This 
> philosophy extends to software as well, given the K4's general-purpose 
> computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of it as our "app engine," 
> limited only by the imagination of our software team and other talented 
> contributors.
> 
> * External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)
> 
> * Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4. 
> When you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the 
> main panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral 
> display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying per mode). This is great for 
> signal auto-spotting and left/right peak search. The mini-pan is per-receiver 
> and can either be turned on automatically or by tapping either S-meter.
> 
> • IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of 
> the analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet, 
> etc.
> 
> * Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive 
> antenna inputs.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] AX1 first contact

2019-05-20 Thread W1GO (Joe) via Elecraft
All, 

First use of AX1 today in New York’s Adirondack Mountains.  KX3, CW, 20M and < 
10W.  Special event station LZ497OM, Bulgaria, about 5K miles.  

Pretty amazing given the fact the station was work numerous NA and Europe 
stations.  Now that’s serious fun!

Happy operating.

73 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison

2019-05-20 Thread Wayne Burdick
> Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:
> 
> OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?


Hi Charlie,

The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop and have 
put it on the air.

It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you asked ... 
here are some K4 characteristics to consider:

* Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from the K3, 
but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It has the widest 
available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 tire-kickers at Dayton were 
extremely complimentary about the display, which was gratifying after 200 or so 
iterations on the concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three 
multifunction knobs (not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g. 
"XMIT". Their functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the right 
side of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive optical shaft 
encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to multi-task one or 
two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do get stuck, there's a built-in 
help system.

* Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio in its base 
configuration. But those in high-signal environments can add the dual superhet 
module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in headroom (blocking dynamic 
range) over any radio that is direct-sampling only. This is the same delta as, 
for example, a K3S vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.

* Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 2 amps on 
RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you off to a Field Day 
site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.

• Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet built in. One 
K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. Eric must have demonstrated 
this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay he's getting good at it.

* Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to facilitate 
easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes available. For 
example, we could quickly and cost-effectively incorporate a new ADC or DAC. 
Call it planned non-obsolescence. This the 20th anniversary of the K2, and the 
10th anniversary of the K3. Both are still shipping.

* Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be able to add 
a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the future. This philosophy 
extends to software as well, given the K4's general-purpose computing module 
[not Windows]. I like to think of it as our "app engine," limited only by the 
imagination of our software team and other talented contributors.

* External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)

* Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the K4. When 
you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric magnification of the main 
panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, high-resolution spectral display of 
as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying per mode). This is great for signal 
auto-spotting and left/right peak search. The mini-pan is per-receiver and can 
either be turned on automatically or by tapping either S-meter.

• IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with all of the 
analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB ports, Ethernet, etc.

* Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 receive 
antenna inputs.

73,
Wayne
N6KR






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[Elecraft] LOOKING FOR a KPA3 100-w amp for the K3. Also, KPA3 parts.

2019-05-20 Thread Mark Murray via Elecraft
Looking for a KPA3 100-w amp for the K3.

The newer KPA3A, used in the K3-s, 
would also work.

Also looking for KPA3 parts.  A pair of
MOSFETS used as the 'finals' would be nice.

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[Elecraft] WANTED: K3 Factory Built, 100-watt, Sub Rx, Excellent Condition

2019-05-20 Thread Mark Murray via Elecraft
WANTED: K3/100 Factory Built, 100-watt, KRX3F Sub, KXV3A, Excellent
Condition.
Pls contact me off line. Thank you.  my callsign   W2OR  (at)   arrl
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[Elecraft] WANTED: K3 Factory Built, 100-watt, Sub Rx, Excellent Condition

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WANTED: K3/100 Factory Built, 100-watt, KRX3F Sub, KXV3A, Excellent
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,

2019-05-20 Thread Charlie T
No, you didn’t miss anything.

No one “said” I should do anything.

 

However, it’s obvious to me that the K4 is basically an IC7610 on muscle 
building steroids and probably has an infusion of alien technology (new stuff, 
not the old 1947 Roswell cache).

 

There are features and performance that far exceed the Icom’s capabilities.

Even though, on the surface, they “look” somewhat alike.

My question (only to myself, but rhetorically stated) is should I make the 
switch?

 

73, Charlie k3ICH

 

 

 

 

From: David Bunte  
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:38 PM
To: pin...@erols.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,

 

Charlie -

 

I have not read EVERYTHING in this thread... but I sure don’t recall anyone 
saying you should get rid of your IC-7610. 

 

Maybe I missed something. 

 

Dave - K9FN

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 AC Mains wire colours

2019-05-20 Thread Fred Jensen
Jim is using the NEC terminology of "phase" meaning any hot conductor, 
not that two of the three phases are brought into service entrance.


73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 5/20/2019 8:41 AM, Chris Cox, N0UK wrote:

Sorry, I'm not being pedantic but standard US home supply is NOT two phaes
plus ground, it is still single phase 120-0-120 Vac with the 0 volt being
grounded and tied to the neutral line for each of the two anti-phase hot
lines.

The power is distributed around the area as three phase and each of those
three phases is then typically split between three properties at the
outdoor powerpole.

--
73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC
chr...@chris.org

On Sat, 18 May 2019, Jim Brown wrote:


On 5/18/2019 4:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote:

230VAC on 3 wires?  Never knew they did 3 wire 220V  I always
assumed it was still 2 hots and ground (plus an optional neutral).

Two hots (phases) and ground is three wires. Single-phase power normally
comes into a building in North America as two phases and a neutral. We
connect a 240V load between the two phases, and a 120V load between one
phase and a neutral. It's not unusual to feed a sub-panel with both
phases, neutral, and ground so that the panel can feed both 120V and
240V loads. The key here is that loads must NEVER be connected between a
phase and ground, ALWAYS between phases or between phase and neutral.

You probably know that EU runs on 230/240V, wired phase, neutral, and
ground.

73, Jim K9YC




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,

2019-05-20 Thread Grant Youngman
Weil .. with an Icom you’ll have the privilege and the ultimate enjoyment of 
eventually being sucked in by the next shiny object, and purchasing a 7610XL, 
and 7615, and 1715XL and … and …

With the E’craft, (if history is any indication), you will be able to purchase 
a few boards over time.  Sure,  they’re not free .. but it’s just boards.  And 
you may actually get software updates and new features in the “old” radio.

But I don’t know if that means you should part with your 7610,  You can always 
ask the 756Pro guys what they think (?).   :-)

Clearly I’m biased … 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On May 20, 2019, at 2:37 PM, David Bunte  wrote:
> 
> Charlie -
> 
> I have not read EVERYTHING in this thread... but I sure don’t recall anyone
> saying you should get rid of your IC-7610.
> 
> Maybe I missed something.
> 
> Dave - K9FN
> 
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 12:21 PM  wrote:
> 
>> OK, So why should I dump my IC-7610 for a K4?
>> 
>> The Icom comes standard with dual Rx diversity, and is between 2/3 to 1/2
>> the (proposed) price of the K4.
>> 
>> Hm,  Charlie k3ICH
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,

2019-05-20 Thread David Bunte
Charlie -

I have not read EVERYTHING in this thread... but I sure don’t recall anyone
saying you should get rid of your IC-7610.

Maybe I missed something.

Dave - K9FN

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 12:21 PM  wrote:

> OK, So why should I dump my IC-7610 for a K4?
>
> The Icom comes standard with dual Rx diversity, and is between 2/3 to 1/2
> the (proposed) price of the K4.
>
> Hm,  Charlie k3ICH
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 screen material?

2019-05-20 Thread Wayne Burdick
The screen uses capacitive touch, like a smart phone or table. The surface is 
thick, long-life glass. 

Some radios use resistive touch which is less expensive. Such screens require 
more contact force in general and are not optically transparent. 

Wayne
N6KR 




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> On May 20, 2019, at 5:18 AM, W0FK  wrote:
> 
> Hopefully the K4 screen be made of gorilla glass or similar scratch/damage
> resistant material that’s still touch sensitive. One that is relatively
> “fingerprint resistant” would also be great.
> 
> Lou, W0FK 
> 
> 
> 
> -
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Re: [Elecraft] K4HD

2019-05-20 Thread Ed K1EP
You can apply for K3S anytime for a temporary call.

On Mon, May 20, 2019, 12:22 Charlie T  wrote:

> That reminds me of a joke that went around in the 40's about a guy named
> "Franklin Delano (bad word)".
> When he wanted to legally have his name changed, he was asked what he
> wanted, since the one he had was not too desirable.
>
> He replied, "Just plain old 'Joe (bad word)'".
>
> Who'll be the first to apply for K4HD?
> That'll be like a tattoo with your current girl-friends name.
> Curiously, K5HD is already taken.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On Behalf Of Wes
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4HD
>
> I was going to ask whether K4HD gets a free one, but he's an SK.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Observations

2019-05-20 Thread Buck
I heard that as well.  Elecraft's modular construction will allow for 
component upgrades as it did with the new synthesizers, thereby 
extending the useful life of the radio a couple of generations.


Buck, k4ia
Honor Roll
8BDXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 5/20/2019 12:30 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
Yes, I think Eric mentioned in the video that an upgraded ADC for the K4 
might be offered in a few years. Does this mean a higher resolution ADC 
(18 or 20 bit)?


73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 05/20/19 08:59, Ed K1EP wrote:

On Sat, May 18, 2019, 23:45 Grant Youngman  wrote:


I think your observations are spot on in most respects.

While the basic K4 is certainly going to be a great radio, it will 
likely
NOT have the strong signal handling characteristics of the K3/K3S.  
There

will still be the likelihood of A/D clipping suffered by virtually all
16-bit SDRs in a high-density RF environment.



I would guess that once a better preforming A/D becomes available and
affordable, a plugin upgrade will be available to replace the current 
A/D,

similar in concept to the synthesizer upgrades in the K3.
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Re: [Elecraft] no email

2019-05-20 Thread john
You are transmitting just fine Tony, maybe you have the RX antenna  
switched on and nothing connected to that jack:)



John KK9A


tony.kaz N2TK wrote:

For some reason it has been a while since I received email on this
reflector.  Scratching my head on what to do to get email again. Not sure if
I did something dumb to turn off getting email. Can't figure out how to get
to a site that allows me to select delivery options.

Tnx for any help.

N2TK, Tony

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Observations

2019-05-20 Thread Drew AF2Z
Yes, I think Eric mentioned in the video that an upgraded ADC for the K4 
might be offered in a few years. Does this mean a higher resolution ADC 
(18 or 20 bit)?


73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 05/20/19 08:59, Ed K1EP wrote:

On Sat, May 18, 2019, 23:45 Grant Youngman  wrote:


I think your observations are spot on in most respects.

While the basic K4 is certainly going to be a great radio, it will likely
NOT have the strong signal handling characteristics of the K3/K3S.  There
will still be the likelihood of A/D clipping suffered by virtually all
16-bit SDRs in a high-density RF environment.



I would guess that once a better preforming A/D becomes available and
affordable, a plugin upgrade will be available to replace the current A/D,
similar in concept to the synthesizer upgrades in the K3.
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Re: [Elecraft] K4HD

2019-05-20 Thread Charlie T
That reminds me of a joke that went around in the 40's about a guy named 
"Franklin Delano (bad word)".
When he wanted to legally have his name changed, he was asked what he wanted, 
since the one he had was not too desirable.

He replied, "Just plain old 'Joe (bad word)'".

Who'll be the first to apply for K4HD?
That'll be like a tattoo with your current girl-friends name.
Curiously, K5HD is already taken.

73, Charlie k3ICH






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Behalf Of Wes
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 4:44 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4HD

I was going to ask whether K4HD gets a free one, but he's an SK.

Wes  N7WS



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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 AC Mains wire colours

2019-05-20 Thread Charlie T
AAARRRGHH, I almost flunked out of engineering school on all that Delta/Wye
and conversion stuff !
Curiously, I sailed through the 1st two quarters where DC circuits & Ohm's
law was taught.
Hey, I had my ham licenseI KNEW all this stuff already...HAH.  3Ø AC
theory just about did me in.

To this day, I don't believe I have EVER had the need for a Laplace
transform though.

73, Charlie k3ICH






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Behalf Of Phil Kane
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 2:14 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 AC Mains wire colours

On 5/19/2019 6:04 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

> BTW, I think if instead of saying "phases", it would be less confusing 
> to say two "legs" plus neutral for the single phase 240 vac coming 
> into the house.

As an electrical engineer whose major was "power" (back when it was actually
taught) I would agree wholeheartedly.  The "2 hot plus neutral"
is most often a single phase of a three-phase delta 240V secondary with
tapped center as "neutral".  It could not be two phases of a wye because the
voltage from phase to phase would then be 208V for 120V phase-to-neutral.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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[Elecraft] FS P-3 Panadapter

2019-05-20 Thread Greg
Factory built P-3 with cables and manual. $450.00If interested please contact 
me off list.Thank you.Greg (K9ON)email: greg7412 at gmail.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft IC-7610,

2019-05-20 Thread pincon
OK, So why should I dump my IC-7610 for a K4?

The Icom comes standard with dual Rx diversity, and is between 2/3 to 1/2 the 
(proposed) price of the K4.

Hm,  Charlie k3ICH

 


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 AC Mains wire colours

2019-05-20 Thread Chris Cox, N0UK
Sorry, I'm not being pedantic but standard US home supply is NOT two phaes
plus ground, it is still single phase 120-0-120 Vac with the 0 volt being
grounded and tied to the neutral line for each of the two anti-phase hot
lines.

The power is distributed around the area as three phase and each of those
three phases is then typically split between three properties at the
outdoor powerpole.

--
73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC
chr...@chris.org

On Sat, 18 May 2019, Jim Brown wrote:

> On 5/18/2019 4:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> > 230VAC on 3 wires?  Never knew they did 3 wire 220V  I always
> > assumed it was still 2 hots and ground (plus an optional neutral).
>
> Two hots (phases) and ground is three wires. Single-phase power normally
> comes into a building in North America as two phases and a neutral. We
> connect a 240V load between the two phases, and a 120V load between one
> phase and a neutral. It's not unusual to feed a sub-panel with both
> phases, neutral, and ground so that the panel can feed both 120V and
> 240V loads. The key here is that loads must NEVER be connected between a
> phase and ground, ALWAYS between phases or between phase and neutral.
>
> You probably know that EU runs on 230/240V, wired phase, neutral, and
> ground.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 & MORTTY: How to?

2019-05-20 Thread Jim Rhodes
To key CW you need to set either the CW KEY1 or CW KEY2 to HAND depending
on if you want to key the tip or ring to send your CW. If you want to use
the PTT function of the MORTTY that would connect to ring 1 on the MIC jack
with ground to ring 2.


On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:14 AM Eric Rosenberg 
wrote:

> I'd like to use MORTTY with my KX3 (driven by Win4K3 or N1MM), but can't
> figure our how to do it.
>
> It appears that I have to turn the KX3 keyer off, but that doesn't seem
> possible.
>
> I'm using the MORTTY CW sketch and 3-pin connectors (tip=CW;
> ring=PTT;Sleeve=rig ground)
>
> If it isn't possible, is there a way to drive the KX3's internal keyer
> from a keyboard (i.e., laptop).
>
> Any help is appreciated!
>
> 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] KTCX03-1 high stability reference oscillator

2019-05-20 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I ordered my K3S with the optional KTCX03-1-F which the description 
shows "1 ppm f/w correction to 0.5 ppm, factory installed".


In 3+ years of use, I check the calibration on a monthly basis. I find 
it to be always better than +/- 1 Hz at 10 MHz.   I have adjusted the 
Ref Osc as needed.  I find it to  be well worth the addition.


73

Bob, K4TAX



On 5/20/2019 9:30 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:

Elecraft specs from my 2010 K3:
TCXO01 = +/- 5ppm for 0 to 50c
TCXO03 = +/- 1ppm

But I recall Wayne stating the TCXO03 actually does close to 0.5 ppm

At 28-MHz 5ppm = 140 Hz, 1ppm = 28 Hz, 0.5ppm = 14 Hz

I installed the EXREF on my K3 with an external OCXO 10-MHz standard.
At 28-MHz  I measure +/- 1.5 Hz (counter toggles between 1-Hz and 2-Hz 
offset) with the TCXO03.  It would be 7.5 Hz using the TCXO01.


Since I operate digital eme on frequencies up to 10-GHz this is useful.

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] KTCX03-1 high stability reference oscillator

2019-05-20 Thread Edward R Cole

Elecraft specs from my 2010 K3:
TCXO01 = +/- 5ppm for 0 to 50c
TCXO03 = +/- 1ppm

But I recall Wayne stating the TCXO03 actually does close to 0.5 ppm

At 28-MHz 5ppm = 140 Hz, 1ppm = 28 Hz, 0.5ppm = 14 Hz

I installed the EXREF on my K3 with an external OCXO 10-MHz standard.
At 28-MHz  I measure +/- 1.5 Hz (counter toggles between 1-Hz and 
2-Hz offset) with the TCXO03.  It would be 7.5 Hz using the TCXO01.


Since I operate digital eme on frequencies up to 10-GHz this is useful.

73, Ed - KL7UW
  http://www.kl7uw.com
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[Elecraft] KX3 & MORTTY: How to?

2019-05-20 Thread Eric Rosenberg
I'd like to use MORTTY with my KX3 (driven by Win4K3 or N1MM), but can't 
figure our how to do it.


It appears that I have to turn the KX3 keyer off, but that doesn't seem 
possible.


I'm using the MORTTY CW sketch and 3-pin connectors (tip=CW; 
ring=PTT;Sleeve=rig ground)


If it isn't possible, is there a way to drive the KX3's internal keyer 
from a keyboard (i.e., laptop).


Any help is appreciated!

73,
Eric W3DQ
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Observations

2019-05-20 Thread Ed K1EP
On Sat, May 18, 2019, 23:45 Grant Youngman  wrote:

> I think your observations are spot on in most respects.
>
> While the basic K4 is certainly going to be a great radio, it will likely
> NOT have the strong signal handling characteristics of the K3/K3S.  There
> will still be the likelihood of A/D clipping suffered by virtually all
> 16-bit SDRs in a high-density RF environment.


I would guess that once a better preforming A/D becomes available and
affordable, a plugin upgrade will be available to replace the current A/D,
similar in concept to the synthesizer upgrades in the K3.
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[Elecraft] K4 screen material?

2019-05-20 Thread W0FK
Hopefully the K4 screen be made of gorilla glass or similar scratch/damage
resistant material that’s still touch sensitive. One that is relatively
“fingerprint resistant” would also be great.

Lou, W0FK 



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[Elecraft] Elecraft K4 NG7M YouTube Q&A Video with Eric Swartz WA6HHQ @ Hamvention 2019

2019-05-20 Thread M. George
I cornered Eric Swartz WA6HHQ for a few minutes Sunday morning and did a
quick Q&A on the K4.  ~7 minutes on the video from Sunday morning @
Hamvention 2019 .  His
comments on full-duplex / SO2R in a box were interesting. It appears that
full-duplex isn't out of the question for the K4.  Eric gives a quick
overview of the three different version of the K4, K4 HD and the K4 HD with
the Superhet module, plus touches on several other topics based on my
random questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RehH4xYt2Ls

Max NG7M

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 bandpass filters?

2019-05-20 Thread Jim Miller
Hi Wayne

Could you respond to my other questions on bandpass filters?

Thanks

Jim ab3cv 

On May 20, 2019, at 7:00 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:


> Nr4c  wrote:
> 
> The K4D has s second ADC and therefore must have the band pass filters 
> identical to the existing ADC use for the main two receivers in the base K4. 

Indeed it does. 

Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 bandpass filters?

2019-05-20 Thread Wayne Burdick


>  Nr4c  wrote:
> 
> The K4D has s second ADC and therefore must have the band pass filters 
> identical to the existing ADC use for the main two receivers in the base K4. 

Indeed it does. 

Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 integration with N1MMLogger Spectrum Scope

2019-05-20 Thread Luis V Romero (mobile)
I believe that the remote spectrum feature in Logger+ works with a data stream 
output via the USB connection. Logically, this means that the RADIO has to be 
able to send the data stream to form the remote spectrum display. 

The HDMI output does present an independent from the front panel display of the 
recievef spectrum data, so there is some hope that this capability exists, at 
least inside the radio. 

The remote spectrum display in M1MM Logger + is a really helpful feature, so it 
would be great to have this without additional wedgeware to make it happen. 

The fact that there is a Linux core to this radio is encouraging from a feature 
development perspective. 

As the President of my former employer used to tell clients at trade shows 
“yeah, that feature you want in the system is only a couple of lines of code”.  

True famous last words, those ... Literally!

Lu W4LT

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> On May 19, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Rick Tavan  wrote:
> 
> No, I believe there will be some integration required, probably inside MM.
> 
> Rick N6XI
> 
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> 
>> On May 16, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Lu Romero (portable) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has Elecraft implemented the N1MMLogger Spectrum Display API natively in K4
>> as opposed to via external wedgeware in the K3 system? We have this
>> functionality now with several competing products. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Congratulations on the launch of the new product!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lu Romero - W4LT
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 181, Issue 25

2019-05-20 Thread Dave B via Elecraft
On 19/05/2019 14:17, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Dear OMs or YLs,
>  I have a new KPA1500 for use in Europe.  Mine came from Elecraft
> direct and thus has a US style mains plug and I assume US colour coded
> AC power
> lead.What are the USA colours for Live, Neutral and Ground?
>
> The manual does not supply a schematic and I do not want to open the amp at
> this time.   I can look on line for this information but am asking as
> regards the KPA1500 so as to be certain.
>
> Thank you.
>
>  73 Doug EI2CN



Oh dear Elecraft..

You should not be shipping US power corded equipment to Europe (or I
suspect anywhere else outside the USA!)

If it was purchased through a local dealer, "they" should have removed
the US spec' cord, and replaced it with a EU (or other local) spec'
power cord, and also possibly PAT tested it.  (Electrical safety test,
relating to insulation and safety ground integrity for all exposed
metalwork and connectors.)

Do they also comply with the EU "Low Voltage Directive" in regards to
Power Factor (Line current distortion) vs the power drawn from the
supply I wonder?   If thy just have a transformer/rectifier/capacitor
type supply, the answer will be no.

If using a bought in SMPS, then maybe, but the SMPS makers data will
need to be examined.

Transformer Rectifier Capacitor type PSU's for "non industrial" use are
largely outlawed over here for such high power applications these days.

Regards.

Dave B G0WBX.


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 bandpass filters?

2019-05-20 Thread Nr4c
The K4D has s second ADC and therefore must have the band pass filters 
identical to the existing ADC use for the main two receivers in the base K4. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 19, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Bill Frantz  wrote:
> 
> In the K4HD model, there are two crystal filters, one for CW and one for SSB. 
> These radios are designed for strong nearby signals, as might occur on a 
> DXpedition, where there are several stations operating on the same band.
> 
> I wonder if the "SSB" filter is wide enough for running Fox/Hound FT8 in Fox 
> mode. There you really want a bandwidth of 4K or so to copy all the callers.
> 
> On the other hand, you may want narrower when running SSB. It is possible 
> that the DSP filter can handle that situation since you can plan the transmit 
> frequencies to be at least 4KHz apart.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
>> On 5/19/19 at 4:10 PM, jtmille...@gmail.com (Jim Miller) wrote:
>> 
>> Eric mentions bandpass filters in his interview and the description of the 
>> K4D mentions a second set of those.
>> I wonder how those are configured?
>> Are they always active? Do they permit general coverage operation?
>> 
>> Jim ab3cv
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