Re: [Elecraft] K4 whining

2021-04-01 Thread Gary Smith
Make me an echo of the previous sentiments 
in this thread. I laid out a full advance 
deposit shortly after the K4 was announced 
& there was an ordering ability offered. I 
chose a fully loaded K4D and am on the 
request/waiting list for a HD add-on when 
that is later made available.

To me, it's boorish to complain Elecraft 
hasn't started shipping the K4 out yet, 
fulfilling orders. Nobody wants the K4 
actively shipping more than Elecraft, it's 
their livelihoods and for us, it is our 
hobby: Food & shelter trumps fun every 
day.

The whining is childish and makes no 
sense. You'd think anyone savvy enough to 
generate the disposable income to buy a K4 
would also be savvy enough to know why 
such whining is useless.

Too much QRM.

73,

Gary
KA1J
Looking forward to my K4D on my table, 
when it's ready.
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Re: [Elecraft] A different whine

2021-04-01 Thread Julia Tuttle
Clearly you do; would y'all mind taking this discussion off the list?

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 23:51 w2xj  wrote:

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> So who cares what you think?
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> > On April 1, 2021 10:01 PM Don Putnick  wrote:
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> >
> > Yep, with no apologies.
> >
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> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 6:55 PM w2xj  wrote:
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> > >  Looks like yet another self appointed moderator.
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Re: [Elecraft] A different whine

2021-04-01 Thread w2xj


So who cares what you think?

> On April 1, 2021 10:01 PM Don Putnick  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yep, with no apologies.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 6:55 PM w2xj  wrote:
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> >  Looks like yet another self appointed moderator. 
> >  
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Re: [Elecraft] External Speaker

2021-04-01 Thread Wes
Minimus 7.  I pick them up at estate sales.  I have over a half dozen around 
here.  I have a pair on my K3S another pair on my TS-890 and a couple+subwoofer 
on the AV receiver/TV set. Of course most of the time with the radios I use a 
headset and wouldn't dream of using speakers:-)


Wes  N7WS


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I use these on my rigs.Radio Shack Minimus 7 JBL ProPerformer Ken WA2LBI LG G6 
-- Original message--From: Mike MaloneyDate: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 14:46To: 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net;Louis Visconti;Cc: Subject:Re: [Elecraft] External 
Speaker Have you tried a deflector tube on the internal speaker to direct the 
sound toward your head/ears?
Mike AC5P
 On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 01:18:45 PM CDT, Louis Visconti  wrote:
  
  Can some one point me to a decent external speaker for my K2. Thanks.


Lou, KD2MU



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Re: [Elecraft] A different whine

2021-04-01 Thread Don Putnick
Yep, with no apologies.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 6:55 PM w2xj  wrote:

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Re: [Elecraft] A different whine

2021-04-01 Thread w2xj


Looks like yet another self appointed moderator. 



> On April 1, 2021 4:44 PM Don Putnick  wrote:
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> PLEEZE trim your email. Quoting 5 deep is a bit much.
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[Elecraft] Transceiver transmitted composite noise measurements

2021-04-01 Thread Andy Durbin
Some people see no problem in taking a good neighbor and turning it into a bad 
one.  I'm referring to the TS-590, which performs quite will in this regard, 
being degraded by adding a cheap TCXO.   I'm guilty of going the cheap TCXO 
route but I got rid of them when I saw the test data.

Mark's measurements, and a link to mine, can be found here - 
https://sites.google.com/site/markstcxomeasurements/

73,
Andy, k3wyc

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Re: [Elecraft] K4: Coolness factor meets production complexities

2021-04-01 Thread Dan Presley
Same here.when the radio arrives I know it’ll be great and ready to go.  What 
is the obsession with weekly updates? I want them sorting out the radios not 
wasting time on a bunch of emails etc. In the meantime get outside and turn on 
your radio and get on the air. The bands are coming back to life. Also be aware 
that some of the’pot stirrers’ on this subject don’t even have one on order. 
Hard to fathom frankly. 

Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com 
n7...@arrl.net


> On Apr 1, 2021, at 13:17, Neil Zampella  wrote:
> 
> This is why I'm going to patiently wait for the K4 kit release, along
> with putting money aside for it. I suspect that along with the other
> engineering challenges, y'all are working on putting together the
> instructions for a proper kit build.
> 
> While it won't be as complex as a K2, it will probably have its foibles
> and issues that will need to be worked out.
> 
> Keep on keeping on !! :)
> 
> Neil, KN3ILZ
> 
>> On 3/31/2021 8:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Greetings from the mothership.
>> 
>> Q: Are Eric and I keeping up with the K4 megathreads on the forums?
>> A: You bet.
>> 
>> But we're not weighing in as often as we normally would.
>> 
>> On the one hand, it's affirming as a small company to be at the eye of a 
>> storm of anxious demand. On the other hand we really feel your pain. On the 
>> third hand (we need three these days), we're both seriously overworked 
>> trying to ramp up production.
>> 
>> A radio with this many features and so much new tech -- the coolness factor 
>> -- comes with a lot of new assembly and test procedures. A whole lot of 
>> invention. New tricks we didn't know we had to learn. Over the past week 
>> alone our manufacturing engineering team probably shaved 50% off the total 
>> time per unit.
>> 
>> For me, it's feast/famine. I have serial #2 on my workbench and use it 
>> every day. Every day there's new and improved software to be played with and 
>> thoroughly vetted. That's the fun part. But I also spend hours daily 
>> optimizing interaction between the K4's multiple processors, evolving faster 
>> ways to do alignment/test, and helping our software team work through a long 
>> wish-list of new capabilities.
>> 
>> The work can be tedious. Still, every evening when the team finally knocks 
>> off (and I do mean every evening, including most weekends), I get another 
>> chance to be a kid in the candy store. This rig's just so much fun to 
>> operate. And I'm confident that for every new K4 that comes off the line 
>> ready for its first test drive, there's an operator who'll experience the 
>> same feeling I do.
>> 
>> Despite the K4's advanced circuitry, I'm always reminded of my very first 
>> efforts at home-brew, when I was maybe 15. Discovery. Tweaking. From raw 
>> parts with their leads twisted together to prototypes only a mother could 
>> love to finished product to that first demo at a club meeting. It's much the 
>> same now, though the parts are smaller, the tools more exotic, and the 
>> stakes higher.
>> 
>> What I can promise is that we're putting everything we have into the K4, 
>> like we have with every product over the past 20 years. We can't wait to get 
>> them into your hands, and hear the smiles behind the mics and keys.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Elecraft] Transceiver transmitted composite noise measurements

2021-04-01 Thread donovanf





Rob Sherwood NC0B agreed to freely share his 
transmitted composite noise measurements (dBc/Hz). 
Rob's measurements are limited to only those 
transceivers he has access to. Bob has always 
offered top measure the performance of any 
transceiver, but of course he needs access for 
testing. 




Transmitted composite noise is only an issue 
in your immediate local area -- such as 
interference to other hams within several miles 
if you'd like to retain their friendship -- 
or to co-located transceivers in your own station 
for SO2R, multi-op or Field Day. 


Transmitted noise can be controlled by transmitter 
bandpass filters to reduce noise into transceivers 
operating on other bands but a bandpass filter 
can't reduce noise radiated into a transceiver 
operating in the same band such as a CW and SSB 
transceiver in the same band during Field Day. 


Composite transmitted noise is significantly worse 
for some transceivers when their output power is 
reduced to drive a modern amplifier. Rob shared his 
data -- see below -- for all of transceivers he 
has tested for transmitted c omposite noise at 
30 watts output. Transmitted noise from some 
transceivers is much worse at reduced output 
power than others, most notably the IC-7300. 


K3S transmitted noise with 30 watts output power 
is increased by 9 dB at 10 kHz from the transmitter 
frequency, but noise power 100 kHz from the 
transmitting frequency is degraded only 3 dB, 
the minimum degradation one would ever expect. 


Transmitting on 20 meters 
All values in dBc/Hz 
Transceivers set to 100 watts output power 


offsets from suppressed carrier frequency 
Transceiver 2 kHz 10 kHz 20 kHz 100 kHz 


Flex 6700 -130* -143 n/a -148 
K3S -141 n/a -143 
FTdx-101D -133 -137 -138 -141 
FTdx10 -126# -130 -131 -135 
IC-7851 -129 n/a -138 
IC-7610 -128 -130 -142 
Flex 6400 -122 -127 -139 
IC-705 ^ -120 -121 -122 -128 
IC-7300 -121 -121 -124 
FTdx-3000 -120 n/a -121 
TS-890S -116 -119 -127 -139 


* measured at 1 kHz offset 
# measured at 2.5 kHz offset 
^ IC-705 tested at 10 watts 


Transmitting on 20 meters 
All values in dBc/Hz 
Transceivers set to 30 watts output power 



offsets from suppressed carrier frequency 
Transceiver 2 kHz 10 kHz 20 kHz 100 kHz 


FTdx-101D -129 -134 -135 -137 
K3S -132 n/a -140 
IC-7851 -123 n/a -133 
FTdx10 -120# -123 -124 -129 
IC-7610 -122 -124 -127 
Flex 6400 -120 -125 -137 
IC-705 ^ -118 -120 -120 -126 
FTdx-3000 -117 n/a -117 
TS-890S -112 -115 -124 -135 
IC-7300 -110 -109 -116 


# measured at 2.5 kHz offset 
^ IC-705 tested at 3 watts 




73 
Frank 
W3LPL 





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[Elecraft] A different whine

2021-04-01 Thread Don Putnick
PLEEZE trim your email. Quoting 5 deep is a bit much.
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[Elecraft] Please ignore previous message

2021-04-01 Thread Carl Yaffey
After several more attempts I successfully installed the FTDI driver. All is 
well now.
73
Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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[Elecraft] KPA1500 with a Yaesu FTdx101D

2021-04-01 Thread Carl Yaffey
I’m trying to get the KPA1500 utility to work with my Windows 10 PC and my 
Yaesu FTdx101D.
I have downloaded the FTDI driver, run setup, and received a message saying the 
driver is on my PC.
But when I run the utility it only sees COM3 and COM4, ports provided by a 
Yaesu driver for WSJT-X and fldigi.
Obviously it cannot connect to these ports. I expected to see a port from the 
FTDI driver install. 
Any help would be appreciated. 

Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] K4: Coolness factor meets production complexities

2021-04-01 Thread Neil Zampella

This is why I'm going to patiently wait for the K4 kit release, along
with putting money aside for it. I suspect that along with the other
engineering challenges, y'all are working on putting together the
instructions for a proper kit build.

While it won't be as complex as a K2, it will probably have its foibles
and issues that will need to be worked out.

Keep on keeping on !! :)

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 3/31/2021 8:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Greetings from the mothership.

Q: Are Eric and I keeping up with the K4 megathreads on the forums?
A: You bet.

But we're not weighing in as often as we normally would.

On the one hand, it's affirming as a small company to be at the eye of a storm 
of anxious demand. On the other hand we really feel your pain. On the third 
hand (we need three these days), we're both seriously overworked trying to ramp 
up production.

A radio with this many features and so much new tech -- the coolness factor -- 
comes with a lot of new assembly and test procedures. A whole lot of invention. 
New tricks we didn't know we had to learn. Over the past week alone our 
manufacturing engineering team probably shaved 50% off the total time per unit.

For me, it's feast/famine. I have serial #2 on my workbench and use it 
every day. Every day there's new and improved software to be played with and 
thoroughly vetted. That's the fun part. But I also spend hours daily optimizing 
interaction between the K4's multiple processors, evolving faster ways to do 
alignment/test, and helping our software team work through a long wish-list of 
new capabilities.

The work can be tedious. Still, every evening when the team finally knocks off 
(and I do mean every evening, including most weekends), I get another chance to 
be a kid in the candy store. This rig's just so much fun to operate. And I'm 
confident that for every new K4 that comes off the line ready for its first 
test drive, there's an operator who'll experience the same feeling I do.

Despite the K4's advanced circuitry, I'm always reminded of my very first 
efforts at home-brew, when I was maybe 15. Discovery. Tweaking. From raw parts 
with their leads twisted together to prototypes only a mother could love to 
finished product to that first demo at a club meeting. It's much the same now, 
though the parts are smaller, the tools more exotic, and the stakes higher.

What I can promise is that we're putting everything we have into the K4, like 
we have with every product over the past 20 years. We can't wait to get them 
into your hands, and hear the smiles behind the mics and keys.

73,

Wayne
N6KR





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Re: [Elecraft] N6TV to the rescue

2021-04-01 Thread Fred Jensen
Bob is a 21st Century Leonardo Da Vinci ... not only an engineer and 
generous with his time, but a top CW contester and a classically-trained 
manualist.  Sadly, he seems to have accomplished what was heretofore 
believed to be impossible and disappeared from the Internet.  His 
rendition of the Overture to William Tell using only his hands is 
unforgettable.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 4/1/2021 4:10 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:
N6TV is a very knowledge guy and he is very generous with his time. He 
offers excellent technical advice on this list as well as others.


I have two Y-Boxes and they are awesome.

John KK9A


Neil Foster n4fn wrote:

I have been using Bob's "S" box for some time and could not be happier.
Recently I decided to replace a non Elecraft radio with mty K3s/P3 
station

with a non Elecraft (brand "X") 
I ran into some issues and wrote to Bob. He responded quickly, snt a new
Block Diagram and then followed with a phone call until we had everything
running perfectly. It took some time and Bob was patient with this 86+ 
year
old geezer. Even after I have been in the hobby for 61 years you can 
learn
from folks definitely smarter than we are. I have a fun saying, I call 
the

smart guys a Wizard, Well Bob would have to be titled an EXALTED WIZARD.
If you are not familiar with his units and have multiple radios his box
works like a charm, check them out. Thanks Bob, you done good!!

Neil   N4FN


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Re: [Elecraft] External Speaker

2021-04-01 Thread Louandzip via Elecraft
 
Yeah.  I have one of those RS die-cast speakers I've been using since I built 
my K2 20 years ago.  I use it with other rigs too.  I imagine any small 
bookshelf speaker would work as well.  

Lou W7HV
On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 1:08:43 PM MDT, wa2...@gmail.com 
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 I use these on my rigs.Radio Shack Minimus 7 JBL ProPerformer Ken WA2LBI LG G6 
-- Original message--From: Mike MaloneyDate: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 14:46To: 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net;Louis Visconti;Cc: Subject:Re: [Elecraft] External 
Speaker Have you tried a deflector tube on the internal speaker to direct the 
sound toward your head/ears?  
Mike AC5P
    On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 01:18:45 PM CDT, Louis Visconti  wrote:  
 
 Can some one point me to a decent external speaker for my K2. Thanks.

Lou, KD2MU

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Re: [Elecraft] External Speaker

2021-04-01 Thread wa2...@gmail.com
I use these on my rigs.Radio Shack Minimus 7 JBL ProPerformer Ken WA2LBI LG G6 
-- Original message--From: Mike MaloneyDate: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 14:46To: 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net;Louis Visconti;Cc: Subject:Re: [Elecraft] External 
Speaker Have you tried a deflector tube on the internal speaker to direct the 
sound toward your head/ears?  
Mike AC5P
On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 01:18:45 PM CDT, Louis Visconti  wrote:  
 
 Can some one point me to a decent external speaker for my K2. Thanks.

Lou, KD2MU

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Re: [Elecraft] External Speaker

2021-04-01 Thread Mike Maloney
 Have you tried a deflector tube on the internal speaker to direct the sound 
toward your head/ears?  
Mike AC5P
On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 01:18:45 PM CDT, Louis Visconti 
 wrote:  
 
 Can some one point me to a decent external speaker for my K2. Thanks.

Lou, KD2MU


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[Elecraft] External Speaker

2021-04-01 Thread Louis Visconti

Can some one point me to a decent external speaker for my K2. Thanks.

Lou, KD2MU


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[Elecraft] P3 wanted

2021-04-01 Thread Lou W0FK
Having found a K3S, I am now looking for a P3. One with "no options" is
preferred, but I will consider one with the VGA adapter. I'd really like to
find one that has the CBLP3Y KIO3B RJ45 cable. Please contact me directly at
lladerman AT earthlink DOT net with particulars and asking price. 73, Lou
W0FK 



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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS

2021-04-01 Thread stephen shearer
See: https://gemsproducts.com/product/kxpa100-mount/  and the bracket 
comes with screws.


BTW, 10-32 is what is needed (the manual is wrong)

73, steve WB3LGC

On 3/31/21 9:46 PM, KENT HUFFORD wrote:
  


I have a KXPA100 amp. I am trying to mount it. The manual says - "The
bushings are threaded for 8-32 screws. Do not

use screws that extend inside the amplifier more than 1/8" (3.2 mm)."

  


I bought some 8-32 thumb screws from AMAZON and they are too small.

  


Did AMAZON do me wrong, or are the holes another size?

  


Thanks,

Kent

KQ4KK

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Re: [Elecraft] N6TV to the rescue

2021-04-01 Thread john
N6TV is a very knowledge guy and he is very generous with his time. He  
offers excellent technical advice on this list as well as others.


I have two Y-Boxes and they are awesome.

John KK9A


Neil Foster n4fn wrote:

I have been using Bob's "S" box for some time and could not be happier.
Recently I decided to replace a non Elecraft radio with mty K3s/P3 station
with a non Elecraft (brand "X") 
I ran into some issues and wrote to Bob. He responded quickly, snt a new
Block Diagram and then followed with a phone call until we had everything
running perfectly. It took some time and Bob was patient with this 86+ year
old geezer. Even after I have been in the hobby for 61 years you can learn
from folks definitely smarter than we are. I have a fun saying, I call the
smart guys a Wizard, Well Bob would have to be titled an EXALTED WIZARD.
If you are not familiar with his units and have multiple radios his box
works like a charm, check them out. Thanks Bob, you done good!!

Neil   N4FN

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Re: [Elecraft] Product Availability Was: Re: QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

2021-04-01 Thread Michael Walker
Barry

Flex is actually shipping radios today.  The world wide sales have  been so 
strong that they have not been able to keep up to the demand but those 
timelines are getting much shorter every week.  The website has the current 
delivery delays for each product. 

Much of the electronics industry has been impacted by two significant fires in 
Japan related to two electronics houses. The challenges come from the fact 
that, while there are optional parts you can use it requires retooling to use 
those parts as they’re not the same physical sizes or functionality. 

However, companies like Flex stock pile parts when possible. Pre-Covid delivery 
times for parts were measured in 2 to 4 weeks. Now they’re measured in months 
and sometimes up to a year. You can’t ship a radio, or anything unless it is 
100% complete. Sometimes it’s only a small part that holds up an entire 
finished product.   Imagine ordering your new TV only to find out that the F 
connecter on the back of the television wasn’t available or there was no remote 
to turn it on and off.  

Regardless of who your vendor of choice is, hams need to support them and 
purchase product. Keep that in mind to help keep the amateur economy strong.  
If you do not support them, it’s hard to pay employees and it’s hard for their 
employees to put their kids through school. It all comes around. 

73




> On Mar 31, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mike:
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
>> 
>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us 
>> these things like they used to?
>> 
>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for everyone.  
>> HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor in FLEX are 
>> they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios have some wait 
>> times but not in the years category.
> 
> Flex has similar issues.  The Tuner Genius has been under development since 
> 2017.  They announced at the QSO Today Expo that those at the head of the 
> line (e.g. those that ordered the Power Genius XL  in early 2017 when the 
> tuner was packaged with the amplifier0  should get theirs in 2nd Quarter 
> 2021, 4+ years after product announcement.  My Power Genius was delivered in 
> May 2018 and I still can’t use it with a EFHW antenna without the tuner.  
> Maestro is currently on back order.  Their website shows their transceivers 
> on back order with no expected availability times listed.Flex has gone 
> through its own ’transition’ during Covid where final assembly was brought 
> ‘in house’ on their transceivers as their outside vendor shut down.  The 
> Power Genius and Antenna Genius are built by 4O3A in Montenegro for Flex 
> where they have their own issues and ability to ship product to the US is 
> constrained.  
> 
> HRO may have lots of product but necessarily the product that I want.  I 
> ordered from HRO last November the West Mountain Radio ‘PWRspeaker’ that is 
> not expected until at least May.  It is produced in China.  So between parts, 
> assembly, and transport across the Pacific there are plenty of reasons for 
> delayed deliveries.  The Suez Canal debacle is but one part of the “supply 
> chain’ impacts that also includes container shortages, port congestion, 
> intermodal doublestack railcar availability, intermodal terminal congestion 
> in the interior, and drayage impacts.  
> 
> Another example: I ordered three 4K 15” portable displays through Kickstarter 
> in July 2020 with expected delivery in October 2020 from China (Two will be 
> used with two GeoChron2 Digitial 4K devices that I had purchased through HRO 
> in January 2020) .  Kickstarter charged my credit card in September and 
> e-maiiled on 22 OCT 20 "Production is in full swing and we expect to begin 
> shipping by the end of October.”  On 6 NOV 20 I received an e-mail from 
> Kickstarter with subject line “Production Delays” ("It seems like many large 
> electronics companies locked up all the raw materials before the funds were 
> released from Kickstarter”) deliveries would not take place until February 
> 2021.  No update received since then.  I have no idea at this point where 
> they stand with expected deliveries.  Next week I will start making inquiries 
> again.
> 
> What we all took for granted regarding ‘immediate gratification’ on what we 
> ordered being immediately available “before Covid” is no longer the case.  It 
> will be a ‘long time’ before we see a return to ’normal’ as economic activity 
> dramatically picks up as Covid-19 restrictions are eased (thanks to 
> vaccinations) and pent up demand for everything exceeds available supply.  
> Prices will consequently rise.  Add in the proposed $2-3 Trillion in 
> government spending on “infrastructure” (further competing for scarce 
> products/materials that the private sector also needs)  and the proposed 
> $2-$3 trillion increase in taxes (that will