Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Just another one (of many) of The KINGS Decrees that his flunkies were commanded to make happed that he didn't have to do with a stroke of his pen. That way didn't take away from his golf game time. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:30 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really know what is in them? Look at the last set of Net Neutrality regulations from the FCC - the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because Broadband was not a utility. Seems to me the industry got what they wanted G forced the Commission to reclassify Information Service as Communications Utility. Voice and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons that voice and cable are utilities? 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to m...@totalhighspeed.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Watch...your ever increasing speed just hit a wall. Your example is in support of the government staying out of private business, yet that is not what you want. Jim W6AIM -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:09 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I am all for net neutrality. I certainly don't want the bandwidth to be carved up into toll lanes like the what is happening to all the commuting roads around here (Puget Sound Region). Maybe good for commuters but no good for everyone else who shares the limited lane space. As for 100 MB downloads in my lifetime comment. I just did a speed test (speedtest.net) and my results are: 124.39 Mbps download 12.35 Mbps upload My service is Comcast cable Internet, cost about $55 per month. I am a charter subscriber as I signed up for the service when it was first offered in our neighborhood back in the last part of the 1990s. At the beginning when I first signed up, it was about 5 Mbps download. Just a year ago, it was peaking at only 50 to 60 Mbps download. Always getting faster. Comcast is fearing Google Gigabit network technology. P.S. back in the mid-1970s, I was a systems programmer doing network comms work with the ARPAnet at a research lab at Ames Research Center (Mountain View, CA). This was before they renamed it DARPANet and very early in the pre-TCP/IP protocol days. Even then, even with the slow speeds, I wished that I had that service at home where dialup was still king. 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbol...@outlook.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Girl's, IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY. Use It! Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Warren Merkel hullspee...@gmail.com wrote: I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't choose the daily archive mode. Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today. Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else. Warren -- KD4Z On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote: AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. -- Original Message -- From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcga...@wi.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't choose the daily archive mode. Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today. Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else. Warren -- KD4Z On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote: AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. -- Original Message -- From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
I only have a DEL key. Will that work? Youth wants to know Rick McGaver wrote: Girl's, IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY. Use It! Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Warren Merkel hullspee...@gmail.com wrote: I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't choose the daily archive mode. Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today. Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else. Warren -- KD4Z On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote: AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. -- Original Message -- From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcga...@wi.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bs...@k5dkz.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Yes, And I am on Vacation today to boot! My wife is not happy with my having to moderate the list today. Please do not risk upsetting her further.. Eric List Moderator - Really! elecraft.com _..._ On Feb 27, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Jim's Desktop w...@cox.net wrote: AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. -- Original Message -- From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are controlled individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and then own you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to have a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional control centers. On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott ktalb...@gamewood.net wrote: The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - FOREVER. Remember: No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain (1866) Ken - ke4rg -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire internetsnip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to colin.g3...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@cox.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Shouldn't have to. The subject matter is not relevant. On 27 February 2015 at 16:56, Rick McGaver rmcga...@wi.rr.com wrote: Girl's, IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY. Use It! Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Warren Merkel hullspee...@gmail.com wrote: I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't choose the daily archive mode. Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today. Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else. Warren -- KD4Z On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote: AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. -- Original Message -- From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcga...@wi.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to colin.g3...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Gentlemen - I officially closed this thread earlier this morning. Further posts are in direct violation of list policy. I appreciate your respect of this closure. eric List Moderator, even when I am on vacation. (But my wife gets grumpy when I have to do this then..) elecraft.com _..._ On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com wrote: Shouldn't have to. The subject matter is not relevant. On 27 February 2015 at 16:56, Rick McGaver rmcga...@wi.rr.com wrote: Girl's, IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY. Use It! Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Warren Merkel hullspee...@gmail.com wrote: I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't choose the daily archive mode. Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today. Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else. Warren -- KD4Z On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote: AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. -- Original Message -- From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcga...@wi.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to colin.g3...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Our government isn't smaller, but rather larger. And it isn't Comcast or BIG Business, it is shareholders. In return, one of the things they do it to employ people. Would you prefer they fire their RD department, and pass the savings on to the end user? In the U.S. our government does not take over business and make them companies of the state, they slowly regulate them, turning the screw ever tighter. Almost sounds like a *full employment* model. Hire more to keep track of the many useless regulations that are passed by our representatives. ANYTIME the government gets involved in business, it distorts the market place. Would you invest your 401K in the Department of Motor Vehicles, or the private sector, like Comcast? Jim W6AIM -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I'm with you, Phil. As I recall, you're retired FCC staff. If anyone understands FCC Rules, you do. I WANT (caps added for emphasis) FCC regulation of our airwaves, and of our internet. I'm old enough to remember when the FCC had staff to enforce their Rules, and things were much better then. We lived in fear of the FCC, and kept our noses clean. Anyone who subscribes to cable has experienced bills that increase for no reason, and when it's the only game in town, as it is for my internet, all we can do is pay it. So YES, YES, YES, I want someone sitting in Comcast's shoulder. These assholes are billing me monthly rent for a cable modem that I BOUGHT from a local store in 2006, and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. YES, I want regulation! Now, those who demand small government have made the FCC toothless, without the budget to enforce their own Rules. THAT'S why we have RF noise from all those consumer devices that make it difficult to use our ham stations, and even to tune in AM radio. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,2/26/2015 8:09 PM, Phil Kane wrote: That's what all the Title II fracas is about. Those of us in the professional (regulatory) field fault the FCC of 20 years ago for not insisting on that but creating this information service category rather than putting them in the telecommunications service category from the beginning. As hams we are used to having the FCC look over our shoulders to make sure that we play by the rules. It's time that the broadband infrastructure providers get a taste of that. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbol...@outlook.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Net Neutrality is no more than a guvmint takeover of the internet. Look at what a mess they're making of our healthcare system.Net Neutrality is no more neutral than the our healthcare is affordable as in the affordable healthcare act. Their ultimate goal is content control and secondarily, to impose more taxes. Be careful what you wish (vote) for. Charlie k3ICH Who was it who said if the gov't was put in charge of the Sahara, in five years there's be a shortage of sand. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Folks, thread closed. This is way too OT. Please do not make posts on this topic. Please continue this discussion elsewhere, off-list. 73, Eric List Moderator elecraft.com _..._ On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:26 AM, Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com wrote: I keep getting ads for Comcast Verizon on how much I will benefit from their services. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
I live in the country 7 mi. from town pop. Of 7,900 and we have wireless internet with speed of 1 meg. But that's OK we lived for over 20 yrs with dial-up for 10 of those. We had that choice and made it I would hate to see what the so called higher speeds would cost us and would hate to pay for everyone else's either. As for movies we can't watch any and most of the time can't watch a u-tube without it stopping a dozen times for a 3 min. one. The FCC has no business in this area period, even if the King want it. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:13 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Dick, I am curious who do you think is going to pay for who ever it is to build a system to you out in the desert? That is a trade off for moving out in the boon docks. When we moved to Colorado we had party lines. We lived in Parker and that was considered at the time WAY out there. My office is in Castle Rock, CO a town of 30k plus. We have one provider for internet. Century link. I think it is up to 9mb now DSL. Xfininity is working on bringing their cable down the road. Project to take up to 9 months. I have no clue how they are paying for it. While you may get your internet, what you have to pay for it might make you ill. Let us not forget all the new add on taxes and fees that will be paying because of all these regulations and the expense that the providers are going to have to pay to stay within the regulations. Who is going to police this? Oh the FCC needs to hire more staff. Who pays for that? The tax payer. More taxes. I think we were just scared of the big ole FCC back in the day. I don't think they were much different, we just got smarter. There is no pot of gold. The money comes from somebody. Mike W0MU On 2/26/2015 10:51 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with DSL and streaming movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the BW days. If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: Tony, All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it == Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a regulator. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1...@earthlink.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@w0mu.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to m...@totalhighspeed.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Perturb not the wife of Eric, lest the Earth itself rise up and smite thee!.. 73 W1RG From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:33 PM To: Jim's Desktop Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Yes, And I am on Vacation today to boot! My wife is not happy with my having to moderate the list today. Please do not risk upsetting her further.. Eric List Moderator - Really! elecraft.com _..._ On Feb 27, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Jim's Desktop w...@cox.net wrote: AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. -- Original Message -- From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are controlled individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and then own you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to have a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional control centers. On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott ktalb...@gamewood.net wrote: The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - FOREVER. Remember: No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain (1866) Ken - ke4rg -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire internetsnip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to colin.g3...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@cox.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@hotmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
yah, well, that has already happened. What else you got? Richard Gillingham wrote: Perturb not the wife of Eric, lest the Earth itself rise up and smite thee!.. 73 W1RG From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:33 PM To: Jim's Desktop Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Yes, And I am on Vacation today to boot! My wife is not happy with my having to moderate the list today. Please do not risk upsetting her further.. Eric List Moderator - Really! elecraft.com _..._ On Feb 27, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Jim's Desktop w...@cox.net wrote: AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. -- Original Message -- From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are controlled individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and then own you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to have a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional control centers. On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott ktalb...@gamewood.net wrote: The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - FOREVER. Remember: No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain (1866) Ken - ke4rg -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire internetsnip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to colin.g3...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@cox.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@hotmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bs...@k5dkz.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
On 2/26/2015 11:12 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote: My thinking changed when UPS successfully lobbied the FCC in 1989 to reallocate part of 220MHz from Amateur to Commercial service. UPS argued that the reallocation was in the public interest and they would put the spectrum to good use. After a ruling in their favor, UPS never commercially deployed and the spectrum was unused for quite some time. Urban legend. I wuz there. It wasn't UPS - the key player in all that was a revolving door former FCC Bureau chief who was a principal in a now-defunct manufacturer trying to deploy equipment using their unstable modulation scheme (ACSB == Amplitude-Compandered-Sideband), a scheme that the major land-mobile equipment manufacturers rejected as too unstable for deployment. UPS was only the patsy waiting in the wings patiently for workable equipment, and finally gave up and went with a Motorola system in the then-newly-available 800 MHz band. The amateur community didn't have clean hands because we failed to use that part of the spectrum to any great extent, probably because of a lack of reasonably-priced equipment at the time. Let that be a lesson for us in the future. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I am all for net neutrality. I certainly don't want the bandwidth to be carved up into toll lanes like the what is happening to all the commuting roads around here (Puget Sound Region). Maybe good for commuters but no good for everyone else who shares the limited lane space. As for 100 MB downloads in my lifetime comment. I just did a speed test (speedtest.net) and my results are: 124.39 Mbps download 12.35 Mbps upload My service is Comcast cable Internet, cost about $55 per month. I am a charter subscriber as I signed up for the service when it was first offered in our neighborhood back in the last part of the 1990s. At the beginning when I first signed up, it was about 5 Mbps download. Just a year ago, it was peaking at only 50 to 60 Mbps download. Always getting faster. Comcast is fearing Google Gigabit network technology. P.S. back in the mid-1970s, I was a systems programmer doing network comms work with the ARPAnet at a research lab at Ames Research Center (Mountain View, CA). This was before they renamed it DARPANet and very early in the pre-TCP/IP protocol days. Even then, even with the slow speeds, I wished that I had that service at home where dialup was still king. 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Amen. There is a Yahoo Group for those who wish to discuss this: * Net Neutrality - Fact or Fiction https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Net_Neutrality/info 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/27/2015 5:26 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: Folks, thread closed. This is way too OT. Please do not make posts on this topic. Please continue this discussion elsewhere, off-list. 73, Eric List Moderator elecraft.com _..._ On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:26 AM, Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com wrote: I keep getting ads for Comcast Verizon on how much I will benefit from their services. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1...@earthlink.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are controlled individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and then own you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to have a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional control centers. On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott ktalb...@gamewood.net wrote: The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - FOREVER. Remember: No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain (1866) Ken - ke4rg -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire internetsnip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to colin.g3...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Sounds like socialism. Sweden, home of Ericsson, had the worse cell service in the 90's. Their CEO stated they make more profits outside of Sweden. Those areas got the latest technology. What motivates the providers to lay new cable, design new technology? We are all now going to get the old technology, equally. Socialism did not work in the Soviet Union or Cuba, but let's keep trying here in the U.S. Our government knows better, huh? Jim W6AIM -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Solomon Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:52 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with DSL and streaming movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the BW days. If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: Tony, All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it == Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a regulator. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1...@earthlink.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbol...@outlook.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. -- Original Message -- From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com To: Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are controlled individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and then own you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to have a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional control centers. On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott ktalb...@gamewood.net wrote: The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - FOREVER. Remember: No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain (1866) Ken - ke4rg -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire internetsnip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to colin.g3...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@cox.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
I am Comcast's customer. Not Netflix. I pay more for a higher grade of service (higher speed). I'm paying for the pipe. How I use it is my business. Comcast shouldn't further tax the other end of my connection or slow it down because the other end isn't paying Comcast anything. Have you looked at your cable bill lately? Companies like Comcast aren't suffering and it is to their advantage to improve services because they can continue, under the new regulations, charge us, their customers, more. 73, Ted, W2ZK On 2/27/2015 12:30 AM, dave wrote: Be careful what you wish for here. Keep in mind that once the entrenched providers get the regs they crave new services will grind to a halt. There will simply be too many barriers to entry. No new competitors will enter the field. At least not until the subsidies get so grossly unbalanced that the pot of gold is then worth the effort (see MCI vs ATT). The internet has grown rapidly *because* it is not regulated. Once it gets regulated then everything must go through regulatory approval. There will fewer and fewer new services. A good example of this is 'high speed' - 64 kb - data service to the home. ATT had the technology available in the early to mid 70's. Called it ISDN. But due to both internal politics and regulatory issues it was not rolled out until the early 90's. Much too late. The same thing will happen once the pols take over the internet. Nothing will get approved without them getting their cut. As for those who say the the internet is a utility . . . well . . . your electric service is a utility. Does everyone pay the same electric bill no matter how much electricity they use? Broadband should be no different. Those who use the most should pay the most. There is no justification for taxing those who use little bandwidth to subsidize the heavy users. Let the heavy users pay their fair share and not burden those who are light users. Just as in electricity, it is cheap and easy to measure the quantity consumed by each user. No justification whatsoever for charging one flat fee to all (none that is, other than I want somebody else to pay for my bandwidth). 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 2/26/15 10:30 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really know what is in them? Look at the last set of Net Neutrality regulations from the FCC - the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because Broadband was not a utility. Seems to me the industry got what they wanted G forced the Commission to reclassify Information Service as Communications Utility. Voice and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons that voice and cable are utilities? 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ho13d...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are controlled individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and then own you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to have a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional control centers. On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott ktalb...@gamewood.net wrote: The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - FOREVER. Remember: No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain (1866) Ken - ke4rg -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire internetsnip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
On 02/27/2015 10:00 AM, Phil Kane wrote: On 2/26/2015 11:12 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote: My thinking changed when UPS successfully lobbied the FCC in 1989 to reallocate part of 220MHz from Amateur to Commercial service. ... Urban legend. I wuz there. It wasn't UPS... The amateur community didn't have clean hands because we failed to use that part of the spectrum to any great extent, probably because of a lack of reasonably-priced equipment at the time. ... Hey, we had the Drake UV-3. Alan N1AL (Designer of the UV-3's 220 MHz band module :=) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - FOREVER. Remember: No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain (1866) Ken - ke4rg -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire internetsnip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
I keep getting ads for Comcast Verizon on how much I will benefit from their services. Come here, want to buy some candy? My reality is I pay our local Cable provider $102/month for expanded Basic which has all of the major networks I am interested in. With this I also get internet which officially is 100Mbps download/20Mbps upload. In reality I get 125Mbps download/30Mbps upload. None of my downloading is throttled, ever. No way Verizon or Comcast will give me all this for $102/month. 73, Gary KA1J Looks like they are really p*ssed off that they are not going to be able to charge all that extra money for using fast channels. Guess they were counting on getting that in their executive bonuses. I'm sure the repairmen weren't going to get any of it. The internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it. Instead try making money the old-fashioned way... I pay money every month for extra bandwidth. That ought to be enough to keep that bandwidth and not have it whittled down by slow tracks for some of my preferred stuff. Slow tracks are the inevitable result of fast tracks. Further **I** want to decide where I spend **my** paid-for extra bandwidth, not have it decided for me by Verizon based on money **they** make. . No sympathy, but you probably already figured that out. 73, Guy. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: Even the Translated one is interesting From: Tom McCulloch th...@att.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! Tom WB2QDG K2 1103 On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: - --- -.. .- -.-- .. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - . ..-. -.-. -.-. (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their website.) There's a small note at the bottom stating Readers in the 21st century can read the translated statement here: http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet 73, Al __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to th...@att.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to g...@ka1j.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
I'm with you, Phil. As I recall, you're retired FCC staff. If anyone understands FCC Rules, you do. I WANT (caps added for emphasis) FCC regulation of our airwaves, and of our internet. I'm old enough to remember when the FCC had staff to enforce their Rules, and things were much better then. We lived in fear of the FCC, and kept our noses clean. Anyone who subscribes to cable has experienced bills that increase for no reason, and when it's the only game in town, as it is for my internet, all we can do is pay it. So YES, YES, YES, I want someone sitting in Comcast's shoulder. These assholes are billing me monthly rent for a cable modem that I BOUGHT from a local store in 2006, and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. YES, I want regulation! Now, those who demand small government have made the FCC toothless, without the budget to enforce their own Rules. THAT'S why we have RF noise from all those consumer devices that make it difficult to use our ham stations, and even to tune in AM radio. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,2/26/2015 8:09 PM, Phil Kane wrote: That's what all the Title II fracas is about. Those of us in the professional (regulatory) field fault the FCC of 20 years ago for not insisting on that but creating this information service category rather than putting them in the telecommunications service category from the beginning. As hams we are used to having the FCC look over our shoulders to make sure that we play by the rules. It's time that the broadband infrastructure providers get a taste of that. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
In my younger years I thought of the FCC of a regulatory and technology body. My thinking changed when UPS successfully lobbied the FCC in 1989 to reallocate part of 220MHz from Amateur to Commercial service. UPS argued that the reallocation was in the public interest and they would put the spectrum to good use. After a ruling in their favor, UPS never commercially deployed and the spectrum was unused for quite some time. Be sure to read the fine print and understand the players. One person's regulation is another person's corporatism. 73, K3LL/6 -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I'm with you, Phil. As I recall, you're retired FCC staff. If anyone understands FCC Rules, you do. I WANT (caps added for emphasis) FCC regulation of our airwaves, and of our internet. I'm old enough to remember when the FCC had staff to enforce their Rules, and things were much better then. We lived in fear of the FCC, and kept our noses clean. Anyone who subscribes to cable has experienced bills that increase for no reason, and when it's the only game in town, as it is for my internet, all we can do is pay it. So YES, YES, YES, I want someone sitting in Comcast's shoulder. These assholes are billing me monthly rent for a cable modem that I BOUGHT from a local store in 2006, and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. YES, I want regulation! Now, those who demand small government have made the FCC toothless, without the budget to enforce their own Rules. THAT'S why we have RF noise from all those consumer devices that make it difficult to use our ham stations, and even to tune in AM radio. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,2/26/2015 8:09 PM, Phil Kane wrote: That's what all the Title II fracas is about. Those of us in the professional (regulatory) field fault the FCC of 20 years ago for not insisting on that but creating this information service category rather than putting them in the telecommunications service category from the beginning. As hams we are used to having the FCC look over our shoulders to make sure that we play by the rules. It's time that the broadband infrastructure providers get a taste of that. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c...@cfcorp.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Dick, I am curious who do you think is going to pay for who ever it is to build a system to you out in the desert? That is a trade off for moving out in the boon docks. When we moved to Colorado we had party lines. We lived in Parker and that was considered at the time WAY out there. My office is in Castle Rock, CO a town of 30k plus. We have one provider for internet. Century link. I think it is up to 9mb now DSL. Xfininity is working on bringing their cable down the road. Project to take up to 9 months. I have no clue how they are paying for it. While you may get your internet, what you have to pay for it might make you ill. Let us not forget all the new add on taxes and fees that will be paying because of all these regulations and the expense that the providers are going to have to pay to stay within the regulations. Who is going to police this? Oh the FCC needs to hire more staff. Who pays for that? The tax payer. More taxes. I think we were just scared of the big ole FCC back in the day. I don't think they were much different, we just got smarter. There is no pot of gold. The money comes from somebody. Mike W0MU On 2/26/2015 10:51 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with DSL and streaming movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the BW days. If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: Tony, All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it == Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a regulator. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1...@earthlink.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@w0mu.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Be careful what you wish for here. Keep in mind that once the entrenched providers get the regs they crave new services will grind to a halt. There will simply be too many barriers to entry. No new competitors will enter the field. At least not until the subsidies get so grossly unbalanced that the pot of gold is then worth the effort (see MCI vs ATT). The internet has grown rapidly *because* it is not regulated. Once it gets regulated then everything must go through regulatory approval. There will fewer and fewer new services. A good example of this is 'high speed' - 64 kb - data service to the home. ATT had the technology available in the early to mid 70's. Called it ISDN. But due to both internal politics and regulatory issues it was not rolled out until the early 90's. Much too late. The same thing will happen once the pols take over the internet. Nothing will get approved without them getting their cut. As for those who say the the internet is a utility . . . well . . . your electric service is a utility. Does everyone pay the same electric bill no matter how much electricity they use? Broadband should be no different. Those who use the most should pay the most. There is no justification for taxing those who use little bandwidth to subsidize the heavy users. Let the heavy users pay their fair share and not burden those who are light users. Just as in electricity, it is cheap and easy to measure the quantity consumed by each user. No justification whatsoever for charging one flat fee to all (none that is, other than I want somebody else to pay for my bandwidth). 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 2/26/15 10:30 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really know what is in them? Look at the last set of Net Neutrality regulations from the FCC - the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because Broadband was not a utility. Seems to me the industry got what they wanted G forced the Commission to reclassify Information Service as Communications Utility. Voice and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons that voice and cable are utilities? 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ho13d...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
I had an issue with my ISP a few years ago. We had been using DSL for a few years without trouble when all of a sudden our access would drop out about once every 2-3 minutes making is impossible to download or upload e-mail or view a website. I called the tech line of our ISP and asked that they troubleshoot it. They came back saying that our connection equipment at the local wire site was old and needed to be upgraded (which would take several months they implied). I countered by saying that its real funny that we have had good fast service for a couple years and now all of sudden our equipment is unable to support the service we have been enjoying. I then said that certainly the phone company didn't swap out our equipment (with old junk) to turn up a new customer - did they? Our ISP was expanding at an explosive pace so it wouldn't surprise me if they did just that. Then I said our service better be fixed, today or I will file a complaint against them with the State RCA (Regulatory Commission of Alaska). Then I hung up. Our internet service was fixed in one hour...and never had another issue like that, again. Funny how speaking the magic words solves problems. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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*Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire internet, and then got the .gov on their side. 73, K3LL/6 -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:30 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really know what is in them? Look at the last set of Net Neutrality regulations from the FCC - the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because Broadband was not a utility. Seems to me the industry got what they wanted G forced the Commission to reclassify Information Service as Communications Utility. Voice and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons that voice and cable are utilities? 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c...@cfcorp.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with DSL and streaming movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the BW days. If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: Tony, All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it == Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a regulator. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1...@earthlink.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! Tom WB2QDG K2 1103 On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: - --- -.. .- -.-- .. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - . ..-. -.-. -.-. (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their website.) There's a small note at the bottom stating Readers in the 21st century can read the translated statement here: http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet 73, Al __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to th...@att.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Code may be antiquated, but it will work just fine when their towers fail... 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7480 NAQCC # 7704 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Tom McCulloch th...@att.net wrote: I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! Tom WB2QDG K2 1103 On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: - --- -.. .- -.-- .. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - . ..-. -.-. -.-. (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their website.) There's a small note at the bottom stating Readers in the 21st century can read the translated statement here: http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback- thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet 73, Al __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to th...@att.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jg.k8...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Tony, All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it == Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a regulator. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Nobody has explained it any better than you have in this short paragraph, Scott. This is a national resource and the American people should be the beneficiaries. The ones everyone seems to be forgetting are the customers--the American people. Everything's always about corporations anymore, not ordinary Americans. Someone said they should make money the old fashioned way. Yea, by satisfying customers, not by manipulating our laws in their favor. Eric KE6US On 2/26/2015 6:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: Tony, All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it == Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a regulator. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eric_c...@hotmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Just remember its brought to you by the same people who said you can keep your doctor, keep your health plan, As FCC commissioner said today, no worries you can keep your internet, we will make it better.. Looks like they are really p*ssed off that they are not going to be able to charge all that extra money for using fast channels. Guess they were counting on getting that in their executive bonuses. I'm sure the repairmen weren't going to get any of it. The internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it. Instead try making money the old-fashioned way... I pay money every month for extra bandwidth. That ought to be enough to keep that bandwidth and not have it whittled down by slow tracks for some of my preferred stuff. Slow tracks are the inevitable result of fast tracks. Further **I** want to decide where I spend **my** paid-for extra bandwidth, not have it decided for me by Verizon based on money **they** make. . No sympathy, but you probably already figured that out. 73, Guy. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: Even the Translated one is interesting From: Tom McCulloch th...@att.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! Tom WB2QDG K2 1103 On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: - --- -.. .- -.-- .. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - . ..-. -.-. -.-. (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their website.) There's a small note at the bottom stating Readers in the 21st century can read the translated statement here: http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet 73, Al __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to th...@att.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@flex.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Looks like they are really p*ssed off that they are not going to be able to charge all that extra money for using fast channels. Guess they were counting on getting that in their executive bonuses. I'm sure the repairmen weren't going to get any of it. The internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it. Instead try making money the old-fashioned way... I pay money every month for extra bandwidth. That ought to be enough to keep that bandwidth and not have it whittled down by slow tracks for some of my preferred stuff. Slow tracks are the inevitable result of fast tracks. Further **I** want to decide where I spend **my** paid-for extra bandwidth, not have it decided for me by Verizon based on money **they** make. . No sympathy, but you probably already figured that out. 73, Guy. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: Even the Translated one is interesting From: Tom McCulloch th...@att.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! Tom WB2QDG K2 1103 On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: - --- -.. .- -.-- .. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - . ..-. -.-. -.-. (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their website.) There's a small note at the bottom stating Readers in the 21st century can read the translated statement here: http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet 73, Al __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to th...@att.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Even the Translated one is interesting From: Tom McCulloch th...@att.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! Tom WB2QDG K2 1103 On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: - --- -.. .- -.-- .. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - . ..-. -.-. -.-. (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their website.) There's a small note at the bottom stating Readers in the 21st century can read the translated statement here: http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet 73, Al __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to th...@att.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Guy is right. And we have Al Gore to thank! ;-) Tom wb2qdg K2# 1103 PS -- that's enough of this, here comes Eric! :-[ T On 2/26/2015 8:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: ...The internet is a national resource... -- Life is too short for the Economy Button __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it == Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a regulator. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
On 2015-02-26 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. Netflix and other information providers play plenty to enter the data on the web. Verizon, ATT, Comcast, Time Warner, etc. have no business holding the end users for ransom when it comes to receiving that data and/or determining what data the user may access. At least they are being told they can't do with broadband what they (the cable companies) have done to niche players in the video arena for decades (pay for play). Not only should the consumer access providers be treated like common carriers, they should be treated like public utilities they are and be required to provide equivalent service levels at the same price to all customers whether they live in the metropolitan core or some- where west of Last Gasp. Cable companies have forever creamed their franchise areas, shaking down developers for the cost of wiring new projects and/or demanding CCRs that limit access to competing service, and wiring high density housing while bypassing older areas with one home per one, five or ten acres even when both are encompassed by the same franchise territory. Perhaps this will start to put an end to one of the poorest performing and most variable user access systems in the world. When it comes to data rates and cost the US isn't even in the top tier. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
On 2/26/2015 7:33 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Not only should the consumer access providers be treated like common carriers, they should be treated like public utilities they are and be required to provide equivalent service levels at the same price to all customers whether they live in the metropolitan core or some- where west of Last Gasp. That's what all the Title II fracas is about. Those of us in the professional (regulatory) field fault the FCC of 20 years ago for not insisting on that but creating this information service category rather than putting them in the telecommunications service category from the beginning. As hams we are used to having the FCC look over our shoulders to make sure that we play by the rules. It's time that the broadband infrastructure providers get a taste of that. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
That's 35% of the US traffic, not Internet traffic. Also, the reason Netflix uses so much bandwidth is because they have customers who use that bandwidth! I see zero issue with the latest ruling. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 19:57 -0600, Tony Estep wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner it == Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a regulator. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really know what is in them? I am not a big fan of the gov't sticking their fingers into everything. I have no more trust in them handling this any better than everything else the touch, regulate, control, etc. I am quite skeptical of the reasons behind this less than transparent change. Mike W0MU On 2/26/2015 8:33 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 2015-02-26 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. Netflix and other information providers play plenty to enter the data on the web. Verizon, ATT, Comcast, Time Warner, etc. have no business holding the end users for ransom when it comes to receiving that data and/or determining what data the user may access. At least they are being told they can't do with broadband what they (the cable companies) have done to niche players in the video arena for decades (pay for play). Not only should the consumer access providers be treated like common carriers, they should be treated like public utilities they are and be required to provide equivalent service levels at the same price to all customers whether they live in the metropolitan core or some- where west of Last Gasp. Cable companies have forever creamed their franchise areas, shaking down developers for the cost of wiring new projects and/or demanding CCRs that limit access to competing service, and wiring high density housing while bypassing older areas with one home per one, five or ten acres even when both are encompassed by the same franchise territory. Perhaps this will start to put an end to one of the poorest performing and most variable user access systems in the world. When it comes to data rates and cost the US isn't even in the top tier. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@w0mu.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!
On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really know what is in them? Look at the last set of Net Neutrality regulations from the FCC - the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because Broadband was not a utility. Seems to me the industry got what they wanted G forced the Commission to reclassify Information Service as Communications Utility. Voice and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons that voice and cable are utilities? 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
