Re: [Elecraft] {K3 KX3} Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Chuck, Sounds great. Lots of functionality in your package. You write K3 keyer does not provide all of the functionality of the WinKey, a case in point being the Ultimatic keying mode. What is this mode? Your software runs for many contests. Can it be adapted to run in DX pedition mode? Possibly with comments? Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-K3-KX3-Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-contesting-tp7560729p7560752.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] {K3 KX3} Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Ultimatic is an absolutely wonderful keying mode (and the only one I can use with dual lever paddles). It gives priority to the last paddle closed. In other words, close the dah lever, and you get dahs - but then close the dot lever, and you then get dots even though both paddles are now closed. No alternating nonsense. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/10/2012 9:49 AM, Ignacy wrote: You write K3 keyer does not provide all of the functionality of the WinKey, a case in point being the Ultimatic keying mode. What is this mode? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] {K3 KX3} Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
... the Ultimatic keying mode. What is this mode? Don has provided a concise description. If you would like more details here is a nice writeup http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/articles/ultimatic.pdf Your software runs for many contests. Can it be adapted to run in DXpedition mode? Possibly with comments? You can setup to log all info typed into the QSO Entry window in a log separate from the main log. So in that sense the answer is yes. However, there are probably other aspects of the dxpedition mode that it does not currently support. 73/Chuck/NO5W __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] {K3 KX3} Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Yay! I second that motion, Don! I've been a fan of Ultimatic mode since it first came out in QST as a vacuum tube keyer from a W6 in the mid-50s. Later I built the transistorized version that was in QST in the early 60s. But nothing's as easy as building a WinKeyer kit with it in it! Steve did all the heavy lifting. Ultimatic mode also includes dot or dash insertion. Make a Q, for instance, by holding the dash lever closed through the entire character formation and flick the dot lever after the start of the second dash to insert the single dot. It's nice to have the K3's built-in keyer when going portable. But -- like Don -- I have a lot of trouble using the Iambic algorithms with dual-lever paddles, so at the home station I use a WK2 and when I'm traveling I use a single-lever paddle. Bud, W2RU On Aug 10, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Ultimatic is an absolutely wonderful keying mode (and the only one I can use with dual lever paddles). It gives priority to the last paddle closed. In other words, close the dah lever, and you get dahs - but then close the dot lever, and you then get dots even though both paddles are now closed. No alternating nonsense. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/10/2012 9:49 AM, Ignacy wrote: You write K3 keyer does not provide all of the functionality of the WinKey, a case in point being the Ultimatic keying mode. What is this mode? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft] {K3 KX3} Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Maybe I'm missing something, Bud, but I send the letter Q the same way with Iambic B keying. Hold the dah paddle for the duration of the letter and tap the dit at the appropriate place. No need to let up on the dah paddle. Is there some other characteristic that distinguishes Ulimatic from Iambic B? I've never used Ultimatic keying but hear a lot of folks rave about it. I do just fine with Iambic B but mess up big time with Iambic A. To each his own. 73 - Will, AI4VE Sent from my iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] {K3 KX3} Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Will, The distinguishing characteristic is that it does not alternate between dits and dahs. You are correct, that a dingle dot insertion can work the same way in either case, and by the same reasoning, a single dash insertion. but if you send a character like Z, you close the DAH paddle and get the first DAH off, then after the 2nd DAH starts, close the DIT paddle (you do not have to take your finger off the DAH paddle) and it will begin sending a string of DITS - get both fingers off the paddle after the 2nd dit has started. Or take the letter B - DAH first, then close the DIT paddle - it does not mater much whether you take your finger off the DAH paddle or not, it will send 3 dits as long as you do not lift the finger from the dit paddle. The last paddle closed takes priority. There are many other examples where Ultimatic is easier - but the timing is not as critical as it is for the Iambic alternating dots and dashes system. I think Iambic was a mistake created by the Curtis chip manufactures and salesmen (OK, I am ignoring the Accukeyer, I admit that) - but the original Ultimatic mode was easier to my mind, and it is more like bug keying that any other keyer mode - except the bug will not do a string of DAHs, only dits. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/10/2012 6:13 PM, Mercury wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, Bud, but I send the letter Q the same way with Iambic B keying. Hold the dah paddle for the duration of the letter and tap the dit at the appropriate place. No need to let up on the dah paddle. Is there some other characteristic that distinguishes Ulimatic from Iambic B? I've never used Ultimatic keying but hear a lot of folks rave about it. I do just fine with Iambic B but mess up big time with Iambic A. To each his own. 73 - Will, AI4VE Sent from my iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] {K3 KX3} Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Guys, I'd like to point out that the transition being made when electronic keyers started coming on line was: BUG ---KEYER What was being solved is not having to make all those dashes manually. That in itself was a huge help. Transmitting speeds could be increased 20% or more. Many guys at that time could copy way faster than they could send. For most of us, the first electronic keyer paddles were bugs with the dit arm constrained (rubber band). Yeah you could HB something. You supplied all the timing between dots and dashes. Modes like Iambic et al came about when somebody thought a bit out of the box: Would two levers make things easier? (for others maybe, not for me) I'm not sure whether iambic or dual levers keys came first. Obviously one couldn't work without the other. Don't forget the Cootie key! 73 Brian/K3KO On 8/10/2012 22:52, Don Wilhelm wrote: Will, The distinguishing characteristic is that it does not alternate between dits and dahs. You are correct, that a dingle dot insertion can work the same way in either case, and by the same reasoning, a single dash insertion. but if you send a character like Z, you close the DAH paddle and get the first DAH off, then after the 2nd DAH starts, close the DIT paddle (you do not have to take your finger off the DAH paddle) and it will begin sending a string of DITS - get both fingers off the paddle after the 2nd dit has started. Or take the letter B - DAH first, then close the DIT paddle - it does not mater much whether you take your finger off the DAH paddle or not, it will send 3 dits as long as you do not lift the finger from the dit paddle. The last paddle closed takes priority. There are many other examples where Ultimatic is easier - but the timing is not as critical as it is for the Iambic alternating dots and dashes system. I think Iambic was a mistake created by the Curtis chip manufactures and salesmen (OK, I am ignoring the Accukeyer, I admit that) - but the original Ultimatic mode was easier to my mind, and it is more like bug keying that any other keyer mode - except the bug will not do a string of DAHs, only dits. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/10/2012 6:13 PM, Mercury wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, Bud, but I send the letter Q the same way with Iambic B keying. Hold the dah paddle for the duration of the letter and tap the dit at the appropriate place. No need to let up on the dah paddle. Is there some other characteristic that distinguishes Ulimatic from Iambic B? I've never used Ultimatic keying but hear a lot of folks rave about it. I do just fine with Iambic B but mess up big time with Iambic A. To each his own. 73 - Will, AI4VE Sent from my iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5191 - Release Date: 08/10/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5191 - Release Date: 08/10/12 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] {K3 KX3} Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Thanks for the explanations, Don and Bud. I think I understand how an Ultimatic keyer works now and can see how it would be less timing critical for many characters and most numbers. Except for the obvious iambic characters like 'c', 'k', 'r', and the period, it would require less practice to send most code. I'd like to try it sometime. Wonder why it isn't more widely used? 73 - Will, AI4VE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] {K3 KX3} Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
While not one of the Big Three, CQ/X - GPS Enabled Software for Mobile Contesting (www.no5w.com) supports the use of KY keying, in addition to WinKey keying. 73/Chuck/NO5W __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
