Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
That RUMped works well with KX3 software scheme means that it can be done. Even if not perfect, this would stop taking other interfaces/CW keyers, cables, etc. If KX3 is small but extra boxes take twice as much space, how good is it? So it seems that there are 3 approaches to contest CW with KX3: 1. Extra keyers 2. Changes to contest packages 3. Modified USB/serial cable (most likely) For the last point, it seems that KX3 control port is just serial port with RX/TX at 4800 baud, changeable to 38.4k. If one has a plain USB/serial cable, one needs to concoct two cables: one for RX/TX and the other for CW, possibly with a transistor buffer. I am not sure whether something like this has been suggested in another thread. 4. Option 3 made as new cable by Elecraft. Option 2 is best IMHO for KX3 followed by 4 if we convince Elecraft (or third party) to do it. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-contesting-tp7560676p7560749.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
RUMPed/RUMLog is unique because it is written for Apple by one person for his own use/his own equipment. It does not support the Windows environment and multiple transceiver protocols. Tom can concentrate on optimizing operation with the K3 (and KX3 to the extent it works the same as the K3). 2. Changes to contest packages While I can't say for Win-Test, I have often heard developers for the other packages say they will not support a CW over CAT interface as it is simply not cost effective given the limited number of rigs that it would serve and the need to do multiple versions to support Elecraft, Kenwood, and the limited number of Icom models with similar capability. All of the big three and most other contest *and* day to day loggers support CW by DTR and WinKey. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/10/2012 9:04 AM, Ignacy wrote: That RUMped works well with KX3 software scheme means that it can be done. Even if not perfect, this would stop taking other interfaces/CW keyers, cables, etc. If KX3 is small but extra boxes take twice as much space, how good is it? So it seems that there are 3 approaches to contest CW with KX3: 1. Extra keyers 2. Changes to contest packages 3. Modified USB/serial cable (most likely) For the last point, it seems that KX3 control port is just serial port with RX/TX at 4800 baud, changeable to 38.4k. If one has a plain USB/serial cable, one needs to concoct two cables: one for RX/TX and the other for CW, possibly with a transistor buffer. I am not sure whether something like this has been suggested in another thread. 4. Option 3 made as new cable by Elecraft. Option 2 is best IMHO for KX3 followed by 4 if we convince Elecraft (or third party) to do it. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-contesting-tp7560676p7560749.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Hi, Will -- Q was probably not the best choice I could have used to distinguish between the two modes. My biggest problem with Iambic and a dual-lever paddle is the number 2, which I do have to send occasionally:-) It typically comes out as dit-dit-dah-dit-dah. For me, at least, I think the crux of the difference between the two algorithms is that I can be sloppier about when I get my thumb or fingers off the first lever squeezed on a large number of characters, such as the A, W, J, 1 and N, D, B, 6 families. This timing becomes increasingly critical as sending speed increases. For instance, I can send a 2 quite consistently using dual-lever Iambic at slow speeds. I freely admit that my difficulties with Iambic may be influenced by the characteristics of keyers I first used, prior to introduction of the Iambic algorithm. In other words, if your first electronic keyer was Iambic, you may not have as much trouble as I with it. An aside: One of those early keyers I loved, the POO-keyer from K2POO, was a (vacuum tube!) dash priority or dash override design -- not so much by deliberate design, perhaps, as by the reaction of the analog circuit to having dot and dash contacts simultaneously closed. Ultimately (get that?), I think the answer is this: If you're perfectly happy with the Iambic algorithm in conjunction with a dual-lever paddle, and it's making good characters for you, or if you use only a single-lever paddle, stick with the Iambic. If it's giving you fits, however, an Ultimatic keyer might be just the ticket for you. Bud, W2RU On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Mercury merc...@pooshee.net wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, Bud, but I send the letter Q the same way with Iambic B keying. Hold the dah paddle for the duration of the letter and tap the dit at the appropriate place. No need to let up on the dah paddle. Is there some other characteristic that distinguishes Ulimatic from Iambic B? I've never used Ultimatic keying but hear a lot of folks rave about it. I do just fine with Iambic B but mess up big time with Iambic A. To each his own. 73 - Will, AI4VE Sent from my iPad __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Both K3 and KX3 can send CW via a software command. Is this feature useful for contesting? Does any contesting software support CW via command? This feature is especially important for KX3 where there is no possibility of keying via serial cable. Also for K3 if an interface does not allow for CTS/RTS, e.g., if one uses Microham StationMaster. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-contesting-tp7560676.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Does any contesting software support CW via command? No, and none of the big three are likely to do so as the KY command is not uniform across all brands and lacks the ability to determine buffer status or edit buffer contents. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/9/2012 12:01 PM, Ignacy wrote: Both K3 and KX3 can send CW via a software command. Is this feature useful for contesting? Does any contesting software support CW via command? This feature is especially important for KX3 where there is no possibility of keying via serial cable. Also for K3 if an interface does not allow for CTS/RTS, e.g., if one uses Microham StationMaster. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-contesting-tp7560676.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Who are the big three Joe? -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:43 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting Does any contesting software support CW via command? No, and none of the big three are likely to do so as the KY command is not uniform across all brands and lacks the ability to determine buffer status or edit buffer contents. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/9/2012 12:01 PM, Ignacy wrote: Both K3 and KX3 can send CW via a software command. Is this feature useful for contesting? Does any contesting software support CW via command? This feature is especially important for KX3 where there is no possibility of keying via serial cable. Also for K3 if an interface does not allow for CTS/RTS, e.g., if one uses Microham StationMaster. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-con testing-tp7560676.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
I've never done it, but can't N1MM be set up to send macro's to the K3 with its (N1MM's) function keys? I don't know if variable information can be sent that way. Probably easier just to make a keying interface ala the old days. 73, Fred KE7X Fred Cady The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation www.ke7x.com fcady at ieee dot org -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:43 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting Does any contesting software support CW via command? No, and none of the big three are likely to do so as the KY command is not uniform across all brands and lacks the ability to determine buffer status or edit buffer contents. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/9/2012 12:01 PM, Ignacy wrote: Both K3 and KX3 can send CW via a software command. Is this feature useful for contesting? Does any contesting software support CW via command? This feature is especially important for KX3 where there is no possibility of keying via serial cable. Also for K3 if an interface does not allow for CTS/RTS, e.g., if one uses Microham StationMaster. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and- contesting-tp7560676.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
For Windows contesting packages, they are in seniority order, Writelog, N1MM Logger and Win-Test. There are several others that specialize in some areas - primarily a local language or support for a limited number of local contests - but the big three represent around 80% (my estimate) of total logs submitted using contest specific software. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/9/2012 3:21 PM, Rick Ruhl wrote: Who are the big three Joe? -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:43 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting Does any contesting software support CW via command? No, and none of the big three are likely to do so as the KY command is not uniform across all brands and lacks the ability to determine buffer status or edit buffer contents. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/9/2012 12:01 PM, Ignacy wrote: Both K3 and KX3 can send CW via a software command. Is this feature useful for contesting? Does any contesting software support CW via command? This feature is especially important for KX3 where there is no possibility of keying via serial cable. Also for K3 if an interface does not allow for CTS/RTS, e.g., if one uses Microham StationMaster. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-con testing-tp7560676.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Win-Test is my choice for contesting. In the latest contest I used my KX3 (novelty value and wanted to try a conetst in QRP), and I missed the automatic keying with DTR/CTS, but on the other hand had fun sending everything with the paddles. However, I think all of the programs you mention support the Win-Key keyer, which also uses serial port commands and has a protocol where you can query the buffer state and clear it. I think (and this would be one for Wayne to answer) that it would be easy enough to add a K(X)3 command in the firmware to allow you to query the buffer state and/or stop sending the remaining buffer. If so, it would be possible to add rig-controlled keying to these contest-loggers and/or write a generic Win-Key emulator that would present as a virtual serial port and handle the commands to the K(X)3. It would be great for the KX3 and even for the K3 as the CTS/DTR keying has a severe disadvantage in that Windows isn't a real-time operating system and sometimes the program will hang for a few milliseconds, resulting in a dit turning into a dah (or a pause), this could be avoided entirely by having the rig control the timing (as with the Win-Keyer). Wayne is probably extremely busy with KX3 stuff at the moment but an entry on the TODO/IDEAS list would be appreciated ;) 73, Thomas M0TRN On 9 August 2012 21:14, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: For Windows contesting packages, they are in seniority order, Writelog, N1MM Logger and Win-Test. There are several others that specialize in some areas - primarily a local language or support for a limited number of local contests - but the big three represent around 80% (my estimate) of total logs submitted using contest specific software. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
N1MM Logger, Win-Test and Writelog. 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 and arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 On 8/9/2012 3:21 PM, Rick Ruhl wrote: Who are the big three Joe? -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:43 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting Does any contesting software support CW via command? No, and none of the big three are likely to do so as the KY command is not uniform across all brands and lacks the ability to determine buffer status or edit buffer contents. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/9/2012 12:01 PM, Ignacy wrote: Both K3 and KX3 can send CW via a software command. Is this feature useful for contesting? Does any contesting software support CW via command? This feature is especially important for KX3 where there is no possibility of keying via serial cable. Also for K3 if an interface does not allow for CTS/RTS, e.g., if one uses Microham StationMaster. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-con testing-tp7560676.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
I used RUMped during Field Day this year via the KX3USB and my MacBookAir on CW. It worked very well. 73 de George, AB4FH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
My reply didn't get attached to this thread, so I will try again. Yes, there is a logging program that uses the serial port of the KX3 via software CW. I used RUMped very successfully during Field Day this year on my KX3 #151. I connected to it via the KXUSB cable to my 2011 MacBook Air. I can recommend RUMped as a contesting app to anyone running OSX. 73 de George, AB4FH -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-contesting-tp7560676p7560725.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
Rumlog and rumped both work well, but Rumped is contest oriented. 73, Scott aa0aa Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel -Original Message- From: GOBrien gobrie...@charter.net Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:36:23 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting My reply didn't get attached to this thread, so I will try again. Yes, there is a logging program that uses the serial port of the KX3 via software CW. I used RUMped very successfully during Field Day this year on my KX3 #151. I connected to it via the KXUSB cable to my 2011 MacBook Air. I can recommend RUMped as a contesting app to anyone running OSX. 73 de George, AB4FH -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-contesting-tp7560676p7560725.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Software CW in K3 and KX3 and contesting
I infer that contesting and contest CW aids are what you are after. I use N1MM contest logging software to control my K1EL keyer. It works with any radio that can be used with a key. However there are other contest logging packages around, but most are designed to operate with an external keyers also. Actually, this is a fairly simple approach that allows for some flexibility. 73, Barry K3NDM On 8/9/2012 12:01 PM, Ignacy wrote: Both K3 and KX3 can send CW via a software command. Is this feature useful for contesting? Does any contesting software support CW via command? This feature is especially important for KX3 where there is no possibility of keying via serial cable. Also for K3 if an interface does not allow for CTS/RTS, e.g., if one uses Microham StationMaster. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Software-CW-in-K3-and-KX3-and-contesting-tp7560676.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
