Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-24 Thread Benny Aumala

I have been pondering about the amplifier
after K2 at home. It needs to have some 20dB of gain.

www.ibelings.com presents an interesting 2x MRF157 unit.
The gain is 16dB or less but includes 60MHz, 1000W out.

www.communication-concepts.com presents Motorola EB104
with 4x MRF150. Now, this has over 20dB gain for all K2 bands, 600W out.
With 2 unis full power is possible if interested.

Which make me think the Elecraft amplifier has attenuator in front,
and this can be taken from service for use with K2 barefoot (5-15W).
Without guarantee, of cource.

I am slowly building one EB104 and have all the problems of
copper, heat-sink, components etc. Lucky me there is Communicaion
Concepts, but I would like to see an Elecraft-like
kit available.

--
Benny AUMALA OH9NB
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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-24 Thread Brian Mury
On Tue, 2005-24-05 at 10:00 +0300, Benny Aumala wrote:
 www.ibelings.com presents an interesting 2x MRF157 unit.
 The gain is 16dB or less but includes 60MHz, 1000W out.

All I can find on this website are wedding and baby photos - where do I
find the amp?

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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??]

2005-05-24 Thread Tom Bosscher

Brian Mury wrote:


www.ibelings.com
All I can find on this website are wedding and baby
photos - where do I find the amp?


  Google in ibelings and MRF157 and you get:

  http://www.ibelings.com/n4ip/mrf157.html

  Also look at http://www.ibelings.com/n4ip/

 This guy is a builder !

Tom Bosscher K8TB Hudsonville, MI







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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-24 Thread Benny Aumala



All I can find on this website are wedding and baby photos - where do I
find the amp?


Brian, try this

http://www.ibelings.com/n4ip/mrf157.html

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RE: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-23 Thread N2TK, Tony
I am determined to do this correctly. Now I am sure I am sending the report
from the email address that is registered with the Elecraft reflector. Guess
I'm still recovering from Dayton. Sri for the mess-up on my part.
N2TK, Tony


-Original Message-
From: Tony Kazmakites [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:22 AM
To: Elecraft (E-mail)
Subject: FW: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

Didn't see this come back to me so don't know if it went out. Sorry if you
received it before.
N2TK, Tony



-Original Message-
From: N2TK, Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 6:48 AM
To: 'elecraft@mailman.qth.net'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

Got to see the new amp in action last night at the Crowne Plaza hotel - this
is where the main DX and contest suite is at in downtown Dayton. About 11PM
Eric showed up with the amp, a K2 to drive it and a dummy load. Eric set the
amp up in the hallway for passer-byes to see. I will try to get the info as
correct as best I can. Will have to wait for Elecraft to clarify any
details.
- What was shown was a prototype 800-1KW solid-state amp
- It was driven with about 30-40W from a K2 and was putting out about 1KW
into a dummy load
- It is about 80% the size of an 87A and looks very much like the Alpha.
- Weight is about 35 lbs with a self-contained switching supply.
- It is set up for SO or SO2R. There are SO-239 connections for 2 antennas
and 2 rigs. You can be transmitting with the amp with one rig while
listening through the amp with another rig. There are two RS-232 ports on
the amp. In theory it looks like the amp could be remoted and run from a PC
if you desired.
- After the release of this version there will be a 1.5KW version. I believe
this version will use an external power supply. This lower power version may
be upgradeable to the 1.5KW version.
- The amp will be offered fully assembled and tested and also as a kit. It
sounds like the assembled version will be about $3K and the kit about $2.5K.
Critical areas such as the 2 final boards and parts of the switching supply
will be pre-assembled and tested.
- This version of the amp should be released late summer, early fall.
- It should handle SWR in the 3-4:1 range. It uses band-pass filters so
no-tune.

Bottom line - It looked real nice. I plan on getting one when it is
available.

Off to the airport to head home from another wonderful weekend at Dayton.
73,
N2TK, Tony





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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??]

2005-05-23 Thread David F. Reed


Larry,

I have to admit, I for one am very impressed by the thought and 
ingenuity that went into this product; as a single instrument, it 
accurately covers a very wide range and could prove a fine thing, so I 
am planning to buy one.


The down sides in my opinion.

Much of my QRP operations are portable, and occasionally even back-pack 
portable.


I manage fine without a watt meter in either case, but would find it 
interesting to have access to if it were light enough and small enough, 
given all the other gear I like to have along (I admit to excess here, 
but QRP rig aside, I like spare power, more than one antenna tuner (so 
far, I find different ones to work better with some of the odd 
opportunistic antennas I put up), a key-paddle with enough heft to stay 
put, a logbook, sometimes a laptop computer and associated stuff to do 
psk-31, and so on.


So I run the range between backpacking and car camping.  Depending on 
which end of that range, it would make sense or not for me.


Congratulations on a fine new product.

73 de W5SV, Dave

Larry Phipps wrote:



I want to thank all Elecrafters who stopped by the SteppIR booth to 
see my prototype E-meter wide dynamic range digital wattmeter kit. 
Thanks especially to Eric who offered words of encouragement... a real 
gentleman.




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RE: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-23 Thread Tom Hammond

K2/100!

According to the FCC, FCC rules dictate no more than 13dB of gain from an 
external amplifier.  As a result, the K2/100 will be required for full 
output from the proposed QRO amp, which will require about 50W to fully 
drive it.


Tom   N0SS

At 02:58 PM 5/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Was it a K2?.or a 100 watt K2/100?

Rich  K2CPE
K2 #1102

 It was driven with about 30-40W from a K2.
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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??]

2005-05-23 Thread Larry Phipps


Thanks for the feedback Dave. In its current config it would be 
ill-suited for portable use. I am thinking about maybe adding an option 
so that the external coupler can be eliminated for those who would 
prefer an internal one with a rating of around 200W. It would require 
making the rear panel connectors configurable between Fwd/Ref and 
Xmtr/Ant. That shouldn't be a problem... and finding about 1 sq. in. of 
board space for the toroids. It would also be cheaper to build. That 
would make it more suitable for strictly low power use.


But frankly, it still would not be the best choice for portable use, 
since it draws about 75ma with the LCD backlight off. I could get around 
that with a sleep mode, but there are cheaper, lighter and simpler units 
out there that are more suitable for truly portable use.


Larry N8LP



David F. Reed wrote:



Larry,

I have to admit, I for one am very impressed by the thought and 
ingenuity that went into this product; as a single instrument, it 
accurately covers a very wide range and could prove a fine thing, so I 
am planning to buy one.


The down sides in my opinion.

Much of my QRP operations are portable, and occasionally even 
back-pack portable.


I manage fine without a watt meter in either case, but would find it 
interesting to have access to if it were light enough and small 
enough, given all the other gear I like to have along (I admit to 
excess here, but QRP rig aside, I like spare power, more than one 
antenna tuner (so far, I find different ones to work better with some 
of the odd opportunistic antennas I put up), a key-paddle with enough 
heft to stay put, a logbook, sometimes a laptop computer and 
associated stuff to do psk-31, and so on.


So I run the range between backpacking and car camping.  Depending on 
which end of that range, it would make sense or not for me.


Congratulations on a fine new product.

73 de W5SV, Dave




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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-23 Thread George Cortez
he had it driving @ about 36 watts to get about 1200 watts out at the 
time.
Just to show what she'll do. It will require 50 watts for 800 when 
it is released

The poor  dummy load  was only a 500 watter  and  it was  HOT!

George NE2I



Tom Hammond wrote:


K2/100!

According to the FCC, FCC rules dictate no more than 13dB of gain from 
an external amplifier.  As a result, the K2/100 will be required for 
full output from the proposed QRO amp, which will require about 50W to 
fully drive it.


Tom   N0SS

At 02:58 PM 5/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Was it a K2?.or a 100 watt K2/100?

Rich  K2CPE
K2 #1102

 It was driven with about 30-40W from a K2.
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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-23 Thread Darrell Bellerive
I wonder if those of us not under FCC regulation could purchase an 
international version of the amp. I'd love to see 800 watts out from the amp 
with the QRP version of the K2 running at 10-15 watts. Perhaps even a lower 
priced version without SO2R capabilities...


On May 23, 2005 09:55 am, George Cortez wrote:
 he had it driving @ about 36 watts to get about 1200 watts out at the
 time.
 Just to show what she'll do. It will require 50 watts for 800 when
 it is released
 The poor  dummy load  was only a 500 watter  and  it was  HOT!

 George NE2I

 Tom Hammond wrote:
  K2/100!
 
  According to the FCC, FCC rules dictate no more than 13dB of gain from
  an external amplifier.  As a result, the K2/100 will be required for
  full output from the proposed QRO amp, which will require about 50W to
  fully drive it.
 
  Tom   N0SS
 
  At 02:58 PM 5/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Was it a K2?.or a 100 watt K2/100?
 
  Rich  K2CPE
  K2 #1102
 
   It was driven with about 30-40W from a K2.
 


-- 
Darrell Bellerive
Amateur Radio Stations: VA7TO, VE7CLA
Grand Forks, British Columbia, Canada
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RE: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-22 Thread N2TK, Tony
Got to see the new amp in action last night at the Crowne Plaza hotel - this
is where the main DX and contest suite is at in downtown Dayton. About 11PM
Eric showed up with the amp, a K2 to drive it and a dummy load. Eric set the
amp up in the hallway for passer-byes to see. I will try to get the info as
correct as best I can. Will have to wait for Elecraft to clarify any
details.
- What was shown was a prototype 800-1KW solid-state amp
- It was driven with about 30-40W from a K2 and was putting out about 1KW
into a dummy load
- It is about 80% the size of an 87A and looks very much like the Alpha.
- Weight is about 35 lbs with a self-contained switching supply.
- It is set up for SO or SO2R. There are SO-239 connections for 2 antennas
and 2 rigs. You can be transmitting with the amp with one rig while
listening through the amp with another rig. There are two RS-232 ports on
the amp. In theory it looks like the amp could be remoted and run from a PC
if you desired.
- After the release of this version there will be a 1.5KW version. I believe
this version will use an external power supply. This lower power version may
be upgradeable to the 1.5KW version.
- The amp will be offered fully assembled and tested and also as a kit. It
sounds like the assembled version will be about $3K and the kit about $2.5K.
Critical areas such as the 2 final boards and parts of the switching supply
will be pre-assembled and tested.
- This version of the amp should be released late summer, early fall.
- It should handle SWR in the 3-4:1 range. It uses band-pass filters so
no-tune.

Bottom line - It looked real nice. I plan on getting one when it is
available.

Off to the airport to head home from another wonderful weekend at Dayton.
73,
N2TK, Tony




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Yep there is. It's a new amp
N2TK, Tony



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Dave G.
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 7:23 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

The subject says' it all ???
Hope, Wish, Blow out the candles...

Dave KK7SS

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RE: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-22 Thread rckchp
Was it a K2?.or a 100 watt K2/100?

Rich  K2CPE
K2 #1102

 It was driven with about 30-40W from a K2.
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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-22 Thread John D'Ausilio
I believe Eric told me it'll need around 50W drive .. I'm assuming a
K2-100 (I only saw the pics, was busy with the piggy banquet last
night)

de John/W1RT

On 5/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Was it a K2?.or a 100 watt K2/100?
 
 Rich  K2CPE
 K2 #1102
 
  It was driven with about 30-40W from a K2.
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RE: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-22 Thread Steve
At the FDIM hotel, Wayne was driving the new amp with a K2/100, turned down
to about 40W.  FCC apparently requires a minimum drive of 50W to create full
output on an amp of this size.  It didn't sound like they had made it
through acceptance yet... But the delivery was 3 - 4 months away at minimum
(fall?) for the initial offering.

They were toying with both a fully constructed model, and a partial kit
(switching power supply and power output modules built).  Price has not yet
been set as design and suppliers were no doubt not finalized.  However, save
your money.  This will NOT be petty cash.  I imagined prices in the $3k
range - give or take.

The prototype was in a matte black cabinet, estimated at 18w X 6h x 18d.
But I believe the weight was quoted at a modest 35#.

Also, while I didn't get a chance to inqurie, they had a prototype watt
meter at Hamvention.  About the size of the T1 

Steve
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RE: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-22 Thread EricJ
At the FDIM hotel, Wayne was driving the new amp with a K2/100...wah wah
wah wah...drive of 50W...wah wah wah wah
fully constructed model...wah wah wah wahmatte black cabinetwah wah
wah wah...they had a prototype watt meter..about the size of the
T1...Wah...

U QRP wattmeter Now THAT's interesting... Heh heh heh.

Eric
KE6US

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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-22 Thread Larry Phipps


I want to thank all Elecrafters who stopped by the SteppIR booth to see 
my prototype E-meter wide dynamic range digital wattmeter kit. Thanks 
especially to Eric who offered words of encouragement... a real gentleman.


I was surprised I didn't see more QRPers though, since the E-meter is an 
outstanding QRP wattmeter for main station use, with tons of high-end 
features, and will have a case that closely matches the K1/EC1 in the 
production version. I got more orders from the QRO guys than QRPers, and 
they mostly wanted assembled versions.


If you missed the show, or my original announcement, check out the 
E-meter at www.telepostinc.com/n8lp.html. If you like homebrewing, the 
E-meter will also be featured in an upcoming issue of QEX.


Larry N8LP

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RE: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-22 Thread EricJ
Hi Larry,

I saw your original announcement and checked your web site. At the time, I
thought it was a remarkable piece of equipment and I still do. I'm not
surprised the QRO guys were very interested. But I am surprised that you
don't understand why more QRP ops have not expressed interest.

For many of us QRP types, Less is More. That's what attracted us to QRP in
the first place. Not the ability to get crappy signal reports as a reward
for running low power, but the ability to get any signal report with
relatively simple equipment. An SWR/wattmeter that seems to be more
sophisticated than my K1 isn't exactly at the top of my shopping list even
if it does match it in size. And the very idea of owning an instrument with
a 2500W range flat turns me off. (Yes, I could just ignore it). Of course,
that might just be me. Others might see that as an appealing feature.

My purpose is not to knock your SWR/Wattmeter. As I said it is a remarkable
instrument. It may very well be the best QRP/QRPp wattmeter out there; it
has the right range and resolution to fill that bill. You wouldn't be the
first manufacturer to wonder why customers don't see the same value you see
in your product. It may be as simple as getting back in touch with the
customers you are trying to appeal to. You obviously are making an impact on
the QRO ops. It might be worth figuring out what QRP ops are looking for in
an SWR/wattmeter.

Also, I can't seem to find any price for the SWR/Wattmeter on your website.
I understand you were taking orders at Dayton so pricing must have been
established. Maybe you could share it here.

Eric
KE6US

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I was surprised I didn't see more QRPers though, since the E-meter is an
outstanding QRP wattmeter for main station use, with tons of high-end
features, and will have a case that closely matches the K1/EC1 in the
production version. I got more orders from the QRO guys than QRPers, and
they mostly wanted assembled versions.

Larry N8LP
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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-22 Thread Larry Phipps


Thanks for the input Eric.

You may be right on a couple of counts. I am only a QRPer in the field, 
and tend to be more more a 100-watter at home. Since I had 90dB of 
dynamic range to play with, I decided to use it all, thus the 2500W top 
end (I also picked 2500W because it represents 2dB of headroom over 
1500W... and indicates to high duty cycle users that there is some 
design headroom).


I also see the E-meter as more of an accessory for K2 users, which is 
what I have, and only selected the EC1 style case because that's the 
size I need. I really don't expect many K1 owners, or probably any KX1 
owners to be interested in my kit, but the K2 is a different story in my 
opinion. The K2 is not a bare bones rig by any stretch... just a low 
power ( w/o KPA100). Owners of the more portable gear will undoubtedly 
want a meter with small size, low power consumption and low price.


I could easily offer a lower cost, smaller coupler for QRP-only, and 
change the power range so that it covers .1 microwatt to 20W for 
example, instead of .01 milliwatt to 2500W in the current config. That 
would save considerable money as well, but would not work for you if you 
add a KPA100. Would a 100W or 200W top-end offend people? Don't know.


It would also save money to put the coupler in the case with the meter 
as opposed to a remoteable coupler, which would be easy with a low-power 
coupler like the one in the T1.


I suspect part of the problem is that a  company associated with 
expensive beams offered the table space to me... thereby skewing the 
type of op who was likely to see my meter.


I don't think it's appropriate to post prices here, but I will put them 
on the website in a few minutes for those who are interested.


Larry N8LP



EricJ wrote:


Hi Larry,

I saw your original announcement and checked your web site. At the time, I
thought it was a remarkable piece of equipment and I still do. I'm not
surprised the QRO guys were very interested. But I am surprised that you
don't understand why more QRP ops have not expressed interest.

For many of us QRP types, Less is More. That's what attracted us to QRP in
the first place. Not the ability to get crappy signal reports as a reward
for running low power, but the ability to get any signal report with
relatively simple equipment. An SWR/wattmeter that seems to be more
sophisticated than my K1 isn't exactly at the top of my shopping list even
if it does match it in size. And the very idea of owning an instrument with
a 2500W range flat turns me off. (Yes, I could just ignore it). Of course,
that might just be me. Others might see that as an appealing feature.

My purpose is not to knock your SWR/Wattmeter. As I said it is a remarkable
instrument. It may very well be the best QRP/QRPp wattmeter out there; it
has the right range and resolution to fill that bill. You wouldn't be the
first manufacturer to wonder why customers don't see the same value you see
in your product. It may be as simple as getting back in touch with the
customers you are trying to appeal to. You obviously are making an impact on
the QRO ops. It might be worth figuring out what QRP ops are looking for in
an SWR/wattmeter.

Also, I can't seem to find any price for the SWR/Wattmeter on your website.
I understand you were taking orders at Dayton so pricing must have been
established. Maybe you could share it here.

Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-22 Thread Larry Phipps
Yes, it can be controlled by computer and I supply Windows freeware to 
do so. The SWR alarm beeps now, and I could add the other features. I 
think I like cw better than voice, and I like the idea of a variable 
pitch tone for tuning. Variable tone and cw output would be very easy to 
add even to the hardware, with nothing more needed than a small 
speaker/transducer.


Larry N8LP



Buddy Brannan wrote:


Y'know what would make it appeal to me? (Three guesses. C'mon, if you
know me, this one should be easy!) OK, OK. No one knows me. *LOL*
Fine. I gather it can be computer controlled, but how 'bout either
morse or voice readout, as well as a continuous tone for relative
readings (i.e. to tune finals or antenna tuners by ear). Something
like what the RF Concepts P2000CW used to offer. Closest thing I know
of to this would be the newly available LDG TW-1 talking SWR/watt
meter. Anyway. ... 



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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-22 Thread Vic Rosenthal

Larry Phipps wrote:

You may be right on a couple of counts. I am only a QRPer in the field, 
and tend to be more more a 100-watter at home. Since I had 90dB of 
dynamic range to play with, I decided to use it all, thus the 2500W top 
end 


I have a very good (and not cheap) QRO wattmeter which is highly inaccurate 
below about 20 watts.  Sometimes I want to measure QRP power levels, so I am 
stuck buying another instrument.  If your unit had been available when I bought 
the QRO unit, I certainly would have chosen it.  Why have two meters when one 
can do the job?



Would a 100W or 200W top-end offend people? Don't know.


I've already been warned to moderate my expression of opinion about people who 
take offense at the concept of using the minimum amount of power necessary to 
communicate in any given case -- from QRP to full legal power.  So I won't 
express it again!  However I will say that for me, being useful at both ends of 
the scale would be a selling point.


From a marketing point of view, since the great majority of hams have 100 watt 
transceivers, limiting a meter with a 90 db dynamic range to less than 200 watts 
full scale would be silly.


As far as having a remote coupler, this is almost a necessity for a 1.5KW + unit 
because nobody wants fat coax pulling the unit off the table.  But at the 200 
watt level, one can always use RG58 jumbers to and from the meter, even if the 
antenna itself is fed with thicker coax.  So maybe you might add a less 
expensive 200-watt maximum unit with a built-in coupler to your line (but keep 
the QRP-to-2500 watt version).


--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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RE: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-21 Thread N2TK, Tony
Yep there is. It's a new amp
N2TK, Tony



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RE: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-21 Thread Craig Rairdin
No formal announcement of which I'm aware. There are pictures of a prototype, 
which others have seen and reported. There may be more info tomorrow.

One side effect of hanging around the Elecraft booth: K2 #4491 is in the bag 
ready for the trip home, where it will join K1 #1966.

The K1 will be getting a new accessory to keep it company while the K2 is being 
built: A sweet new brass March magnetic paddle -- a gem from among the junk in 
the flea market.

Craig
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[Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-20 Thread Dave G.
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Re: [Elecraft] Anything News at Dayton from Elecraft??

2005-05-20 Thread Bill Coleman


On May 20, 2005, at 7:23 PM, Dave G. wrote:


The subject says' it all ???
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Yes, inquiring minds want to know!

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