Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

You're too modest to have added your own name to the group.

Also, I have no problem with (civil !) rig comparisons cross posted.

Thanks to all for their interest and input.

Charlie k3ICH



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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

Yes. In any group where you're paying attention, you tend to figure out who
the heavy hitters are, who provide the needed BS filters. W3FPR, N7WS, K2AV,
W4TV, AB7E, W4NZ, W9AC, GM3SEK, W0YK, NY9H, N6XI are a few members of this
group who come to mind.

Jim K9YC

On Mon,5/2/2016 10:33 AM, Dick Dickinson wrote:
> I have seen this reflector as much of being a 'club' rather than a 
> forum with a strictly focused on Elecraft.  That factor may be useful 
> for many, particularly newer operators who might have questions along 
> the lines of antennas, operating circumstances and conventions, as 
> well as accessories (Elecraft or other).

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Bill Frantz]

The West Valley Amateur Radio Association (using the K6EI call) 
has been running K2s and K3s at field day for at least 5 or 6 
years. We run QRP battery for the entire "contest". We use a 
collection of lead acid batteries in the 100 AH category with 
solar panels as a power supply.


It's really nice using a world-class radio and they help us 
achieve good scores.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 5/3/16 at 7:20 AM, lstavenha...@hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) wrote:


Yeah, a solar panel or a larger batt would be required for longer than that
or a lot of QSO's at 10-12 watts, but to me it's pretty cool that I can
operate the highest performing rig on the market (or close to it) off the
tailgate of my pickup in the mountains or hills around where I live.
...
But to me, even a K3(s) is a worthy competitor in /p, though it's kind of a
sledge hammer for portable ops with far far more RX performance that you'd
typically need.


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Folks,

Lets end this thread now, as it is exceeding our SNR posting limit.

As per my prior post (see my prior email below), its OK to post OT and 
competitive topics if the number of postings in the thread is limited to less 
than 5-10. (Preferably closer to 5 or less).


Also, please do not rely on me to moderate (and end) all threads. I'm frequently 
away from the computer running our daily business and can not reply until much 
later, frequently after a thread has gotten out of control. I ask that everyone 
self moderate, and when they feel they have to keep talking, take the OT thread 
off-list.


Lastly, it is absolutely outside of list guidelines to post what you feel is not 
allowable or preferred for postings here.  As noted in our list guidelines, 
please send concerns of this type to the list moderator (me). I have a very 
thick skin ;-)


73,

Eric
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/elecraft.com/
===

On 5/2/2016 10:23 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
Folks - Its within list guidelines for -short- discussions on topics only 
peripherally related to Elecraft topics, but extended discussions pro/con etc 
on competition etc should be limited here to a few posts and then taken to 
direct personal email. Its certainly pertinent info on other products to be 
posted,m but we do not want that to dominate list traffic.


Our goal is to first and foremost provide a forum for discussions of Elecraft 
products, third party products for Elecraft rigs and discussion of related 
technologies.  We purposely do not 100% limit postings to Elecraft products 
since both we and many readers benefit from these outside topics, including 
competitive analysis. But when these OT threads get past 5-10 postings, please 
limit them and take the conversation off list in the interest of keeping the 
volume of list postings under control.


73,

Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[lstavenhagen]

Well I do have to say, though, that my "K3 plus" and K3s both are very
respectable /p rigs, though. Both are the 10 watt versions and will actually
run for a couple hours pretty well on even a 9AH AGM battery.

Yeah, a solar panel or a larger batt would be required for longer than that
or a lot of QSO's at 10-12 watts, but to me it's pretty cool that I can
operate the highest performing rig on the market (or close to it) off the
tailgate of my pickup in the mountains or hills around where I live. 

I'd have to go to the bank (with a gun) to fund buying their nearest
competitor and I don't think I'd dare try to haul it out to the mountains,
even in my nice Pelican case. 

Anyway, to make this more on the topic of competitor analysis - it'll be
interesting to see what Elecraft comes up with if they decide there's a need
to respond to the 7300. I posted elsewhere about that, where I think it may
scratch an itch out there where the KX3 doesn't scratch it quite as well. 

But to me, even a K3(s) is a worthy competitor in /p, though it's kind of a
sledge hammer for portable ops with far far more RX performance that you'd
typically need.

73,
LS
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Jim Brown]

Yes. In any group where you're paying attention, you tend to figure out 
who the heavy hitters are, who provide the needed BS filters. W3FPR, 
N7WS, K2AV, W4TV, AB7E, W4NZ, W9AC, GM3SEK, W0YK, NY9H, N6XI are a few 
members of this group who come to mind.


Jim K9YC

On Mon,5/2/2016 10:33 AM, Dick Dickinson wrote:

I have seen this reflector as much of being a 'club' rather than a forum
with a strictly focused on Elecraft.  That factor may be useful for many,
particularly newer operators who might have questions along the lines of
antennas, operating circumstances and conventions, as well as accessories
(Elecraft or other).


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[John]

Phil - yes, in much the same way as the K3S is not a SOTA rig :-)
I have a KX3 and also an IC-7300, and I don’t see either as competition
for one another - I will keep both.
Interestingly, the current draw on RX on the IC-7300 is amazingly low
taking into consideration the multi-functional large color display. It draws
only 900 ma, which is about half the current draw of the miniature IC-7000.
Of course the KX3 is the champion when current draw is the main
criteria.
So yes, I see myself using my KX3 for SOTA and other ultra light portable 
operations, but I will take my IC-7300 to operate from park benches, camping
and holiday style Dxpeditions.

73
John





Joe,

Crucial difference is that the KX3 system is
modular and the barefoot KX3 can be used very
effectively battery operated for SOTA, camping and
the like. I suspect the IC-7300 was not designed
for power efficiency :-)

So I see them as a very different class of rig.

73, Phil W7OX

On 5/2/16 11:48 AM, Joe Moffatt wrote:
> This is very true to me as well. One thing that I am seeing in several places 
> online right now is that the 7300 Icom is a big competitor to the KX3. A lot 
> of folks are saying that why spend the money for a KX3 when you can have a 
> panadapter, 100 watts, etc built in for much less money than the 
> KX3/PX3/KPA100 combination.
> 
> This is relative to Elecraft and the KX3 in particular because this may turn 
> out to be a major competitor to the KX3 series, or not, but it is certainly a 
> relative discussion.
> 
> Anyhow, I don't mean to hijack the list, but other products do affect 
> Elecraft and their users.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Joe Moffatt]

I do too just saying what I've been reading a lot.

Joe





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From: Phil Wheeler <w...@socal.rr.com>
Date: 05/02/2016 4:03 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

Joe,

Crucial difference is that the KX3 system is
modular and the barefoot KX3 can be used very
effectively battery operated for SOTA, camping and
the like. I suspect the IC-7300 was not designed
for power efficiency :-)

So I see them as a very different class of rig.

73, Phil W7OX

On 5/2/16 11:48 AM, Joe Moffatt wrote:
> This is very true to me as well. One thing that I am seeing in several places 
> online right now is that the 7300 Icom is a big competitor to the KX3. A lot 
> of folks are saying that why spend the money for a KX3 when you can have a 
> panadapter, 100 watts, etc built in for much less money than the 
> KX3/PX3/KPA100 combination.
>
> This is relative to Elecraft and the KX3 in particular because this may turn 
> out to be a major competitor to the KX3 series, or not, but it is certainly a 
> relative discussion.
>
> Anyhow, I don't mean to hijack the list, but other products do affect 
> Elecraft and their users.
>
> Joe
>
>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Walter Underwood]

I consider this group to be a great collection of well-seasoned hams (smoked 
hams?). I assume that a lot of us are Elmers. Elecraft equipment is the right 
choice for most of us, but I appreciate the comments on other gear, so that I’m 
ready to give a new ham a solid list of choices.

In backpacking, we say “hike your own hike”. Take the advice from your 
Elmer(s), but you are the one turning the knobs. Or touching the screen.

wunder
K6WRU
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> On May 2, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> I am really "Elecraft Centric", but I believe with good reason - Elecraft 
> gear is the "best in the business" by Sherwood ratings and the experience 
> showing the standings in international extreme contesting as well as being 
> the choice of DXpedition and contest operators.  Those facts say a lot to me.
> 
> I exempt the over $10K transceivers from consideration because those are not 
> within the realm of affordability by most hams that I am familiar with.  
> Similar performance can be had from Elecraft at half that price category.
> 
> I do like some limited discussion here about new transceivers just so we have 
> information about what new things the competition is doing.  It is also 
> interesting to note that the lesser priced transceivers do not have all the 
> features of the K3S or the KX3 by a rather large margin and the Sherwood 
> ratings continue to keep the K3S and KX3 at the very top of the list when $$$ 
> are taken into consideration.
> 
> So yes, I believe it is appropriate for some discussion of the features (or 
> lack thereof) on the competition's announcements to take place - but it 
> should not be carried away with long extended threads.  If the competitive 
> offering peaks your interest, then take extended discussion of the pros and 
> cons of that offering to the manufacturer's forums.
> 
> Unless something different comes along, the K3S and KX3 are still 'top of the 
> line' IMHO, even considering the new "pizzazz" features being added by the 
> competition.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 5/2/2016 10:58 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>> Well, the guys on the IC-7300 forum are fussing about all the Elecraft talk
>> over there...
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Don Wilhelm]

I am really "Elecraft Centric", but I believe with good reason - 
Elecraft gear is the "best in the business" by Sherwood ratings and the 
experience showing the standings in international extreme contesting as 
well as being the choice of DXpedition and contest operators.  Those 
facts say a lot to me.


I exempt the over $10K transceivers from consideration because those are 
not within the realm of affordability by most hams that I am familiar 
with.  Similar performance can be had from Elecraft at half that price 
category.


I do like some limited discussion here about new transceivers just so we 
have information about what new things the competition is doing.  It is 
also interesting to note that the lesser priced transceivers do not have 
all the features of the K3S or the KX3 by a rather large margin and the 
Sherwood ratings continue to keep the K3S and KX3 at the very top of the 
list when $$$ are taken into consideration.


So yes, I believe it is appropriate for some discussion of the features 
(or lack thereof) on the competition's announcements to take place - but 
it should not be carried away with long extended threads.  If the 
competitive offering peaks your interest, then take extended discussion 
of the pros and cons of that offering to the manufacturer's forums.


Unless something different comes along, the K3S and KX3 are still 'top 
of the line' IMHO, even considering the new "pizzazz" features being 
added by the competition.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/2/2016 10:58 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

Well, the guys on the IC-7300 forum are fussing about all the Elecraft talk
over there...



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Well, the guys on the IC-7300 forum are fussing about all the Elecraft talk
over there...

Chas

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary
Smith
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:30 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

Folks,

Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the lengthy
threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for Elecraft products. I
personally find these threads irritating and here is why:

This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used as a
platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios. 

I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my and
other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The only reason I
would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to hear information on
that manufacturer's radios.

Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios with
better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was considering the Orion
line. I had been disappointed with how that company at the time, was not
handling some of the long term complaints I was reading on their reflector
about a lack of updates and issues with end of life parts being soon
unobtanium. With that being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the
eHam forums and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this
reflector.

I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my pleasant
surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent, often daily
contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize I wasn't
interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my needs and it was
made in America and I wasn't going to buy from overseas if what I want was
made here. That an option to buy a kit was included made it a lock for me to
buy the K3 kit with most all of the options available.

But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to hear
about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy discussions about
competitors products. I still consider that is the purpose of this forum and
I am bemused why people tout other equipment here, it's just bad form. I
would consider myself being rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and
started threads about how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.

Just my 2 cents.

73 to all,

Gary
KA1J


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft]

Guys,

Most of us all loyal Elecraft customers that love the company and their 
products. This type of post provides valuable feedback to Elecraft that will 
enable them to understand the type of feature that we would like to see in 
future products. Many of these features are only possible (at least 
economically feasible) using a direct-sampling SDR architecture. It would be 
very sad to see Elecraft fall behind the competition just because we gave them 
the false impression that we are too happy with our K3s and KX3s, combined with 
Elecraft's excellent customer support, to want to see technological innovation 
in their next generation of product. A good example of this would be Ten-Tec. I 
guess their clients didn't ask for more as long as they got the "legendary 
QSK". Of course, Wayne and Eric will not let that happen!

73,
Robert-KP4Y/W4

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> 
> I have to agree with AB7E here, I enjoy some of the off topic things,
> and for those that I don't, I delete...
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>> On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 11:19 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
>> Thankfully you don't get to make that call, and Eric has already
>> laid 
>> out the guidelines describing to what extent he considers pro/con 
>> comments on other rigs to be appropriate for this list.  For me, I
>> find 
>> it very valuable to understand how my K3 stacks up to other rigs as
>> long 
>> as such posts don't dominate the list.  I prefer not to live in a
>> silo.
>> 
>> Dave   AB7E
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/2/2016 10:42 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>> 
>>> I also have been thinking this lately
>>> If it's not an Elecraft product then please use the appropriate
>>> forum.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>From: Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com>
>>>   To: g...@ka1j.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>>   Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:39 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric
>>> 
>>> Well-said, Gary ...
>>> 
>>> This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Ken - K0PP
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Ken, K0PP
>>>> On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Folks,
>>>> 
>>>> Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
>>>> lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
>>>> Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
>>>> here is why:
>>>> 
>>>> This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers
>>>> to my
>>>> questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it
>>>> used
>>>> as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft
>>>> radios.
>>>> 
>>>> I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length
>>>> my
>>>> and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer.
>>>> The
>>>> only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is
>>>> to
>>>> hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
>>>> 
>>>> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the
>>>> TenTec
>>>> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer
>>>> radios
>>>> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
>>>> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
>>>> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
>>>> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of
>>>> updates
>>>> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With
>>>> that
>>>> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam
>>>> forums
>>>> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this
>>>> reflector.
>>>> 
>>>> I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my
>>>> first
>>>> K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
>>>> pleasant sur

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[lstavenhagen]

I think the 7300 could intrude against the KX3 in the "base station
replacement" market, though. It's obviously an important enough market, in
fact, that Elecraft developed the KXPA100 with built-in tuner to augment the
KX3's attractiveness in that particular scenario. So I think the 7300 could
pose a significant threat if you happen to like the built-in panadapter and
touch screen etc.

An equivalent (using the term loosely of course) KX3 setup - rig + options,
KXPA100 amp + tuner, PX3 panadapter - is $3200 and climbing. So at half that
or possibly less, the 7300 could potentially become a problem for Elecraft
in that particular space.

Now, would I go with a 7300 instead, no, of course not, because I'm aware of
the superiority of Elecraft's rigs. But for those who aren't, this is
probably a market reality that I'm sure has Eric and Wayne's attention on
some level.

73,
LS
W5QD



Phil Wheeler-2 wrote
> Joe,
> 
> Crucial difference is that the KX3 system is 
> modular and the barefoot KX3 can be used very 
> effectively battery operated for SOTA, camping and 
> the like. I suspect the IC-7300 was not designed 
> for power efficiency :-)
> 
> So I see them as a very different class of rig.
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX





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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Wes]

Same here.

On 5/2/2016 12:45 PM, Dave Cole wrote:

I have to agree with AB7E here, I enjoy some of the off topic things,
and for those that I don't, I delete...


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Phil Wheeler]

Joe,

Crucial difference is that the KX3 system is 
modular and the barefoot KX3 can be used very 
effectively battery operated for SOTA, camping and 
the like. I suspect the IC-7300 was not designed 
for power efficiency :-)


So I see them as a very different class of rig.

73, Phil W7OX

On 5/2/16 11:48 AM, Joe Moffatt wrote:

This is very true to me as well.  One thing that I am seeing in several places 
online right now is that the 7300 Icom is a big competitor to the KX3.  A lot 
of folks are saying that why spend the money for a KX3 when you can have a 
panadapter, 100 watts, etc built in for much less money than the KX3/PX3/KPA100 
combination.

This is relative to Elecraft and the KX3 in particular because this may turn 
out to be a major competitor to the KX3 series, or not, but it is certainly a 
relative discussion.

Anyhow, I don't mean to hijack the list, but other products do affect Elecraft 
and their users.

Joe





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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Dave Cole]

I have to agree with AB7E here, I enjoy some of the off topic things,
and for those that I don't, I delete...
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On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 11:19 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
> Thankfully you don't get to make that call, and Eric has already
> laid 
> out the guidelines describing to what extent he considers pro/con 
> comments on other rigs to be appropriate for this list.  For me, I
> find 
> it very valuable to understand how my K3 stacks up to other rigs as
> long 
> as such posts don't dominate the list.  I prefer not to live in a
> silo.
> 
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> On 5/2/2016 10:42 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> > 
> > I also have been thinking this lately
> > If it's not an Elecraft product then please use the appropriate
> > forum.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    From: Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com>
> >   To: g...@ka1j.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> >   Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:39 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric
> > 
> > Well-said, Gary ...
> > 
> > This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.
> > 
> > 73
> > 
> > Ken - K0PP
> > 
> > 73
> > 
> > Ken, K0PP
> > On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Folks,
> > > 
> > > Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
> > > lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
> > > Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
> > > here is why:
> > > 
> > > This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers
> > > to my
> > > questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it
> > > used
> > > as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft
> > > radios.
> > > 
> > > I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length
> > > my
> > > and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer.
> > > The
> > > only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is
> > > to
> > > hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
> > > 
> > > Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the
> > > TenTec
> > > reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer
> > > radios
> > > with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
> > > considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
> > > company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
> > > complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of
> > > updates
> > > and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With
> > > that
> > > being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam
> > > forums
> > > and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this
> > > reflector.
> > > 
> > > I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my
> > > first
> > > K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
> > > pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were
> > > frequent,
> > > often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to
> > > realize
> > > I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
> > > needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
> > > overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a
> > > kit
> > > was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most
> > > all of
> > > the options available.
> > > 
> > > But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum
> > > to
> > > hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
> > > discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is
> > > the
> > > purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
> > > equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
> > > rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads
> > > about
> > > how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
> > > 
> > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > 
> > > 73 to all,
> > > 
> > > Gary
> > &g

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Igor Sokolov]

Nice bit about Ten-Tec on Elcraft reflector :)
I do not mind info about non Elecraft equipment in comparison with Elecraft 
equipment. IMHO this is not OT at all.


73, Igor UA9CDC


Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Joe Moffatt]

This is very true to me as well.  One thing that I am seeing in several places 
online right now is that the 7300 Icom is a big competitor to the KX3.  A lot 
of folks are saying that why spend the money for a KX3 when you can have a 
panadapter, 100 watts, etc built in for much less money than the KX3/PX3/KPA100 
combination.

This is relative to Elecraft and the KX3 in particular because this may turn 
out to be a major competitor to the KX3 series, or not, but it is certainly a 
relative discussion.

Anyhow, I don't mean to hijack the list, but other products do affect Elecraft 
and their users.

Joe


From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David 
Gilbert
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 1:19 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric


Thankfully you don't get to make that call, and Eric has already laid
out the guidelines describing to what extent he considers pro/con
comments on other rigs to be appropriate for this list. For me, I find
it very valuable to understand how my K3 stacks up to other rigs as long
as such posts don't dominate the list. I prefer not to live in a silo.

Dave AB7E


On 5/2/2016 10:42 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> I also have been thinking this lately
> If it's not an Elecraft product then please use the appropriate forum.
>
>
>
>
> From: Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com><mailto:kengk...@gmail.com%3e>
> To: g...@ka1j.com<mailto:g...@ka1j.com>; 
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric
>
> Well-said, Gary ...
>
> This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> 73
>
> Ken, K0PP
> On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <g...@ka1j.com><mailto:g...@ka1j.com%3e> 
> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
>> lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
>> Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
>> here is why:
>>
>> This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
>> questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used
>> as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.
>>
>> I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my
>> and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The
>> only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to
>> hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
>>
>> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
>> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
>> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
>> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
>> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
>> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
>> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
>> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
>> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.
>>
>> I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
>> K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
>> pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent,
>> often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize
>> I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
>> needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
>> overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit
>> was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all of
>> the options available.
>>
>> But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to
>> hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
>> discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the
>> purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
>> equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
>> rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads about
>> how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> 73 to all,
>>
>> Gary
>> KA1J
>> K3s #10622
>> K3 #2382
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[David Gilbert]

Thankfully you don't get to make that call, and Eric has already laid 
out the guidelines describing to what extent he considers pro/con 
comments on other rigs to be appropriate for this list.  For me, I find 
it very valuable to understand how my K3 stacks up to other rigs as long 
as such posts don't dominate the list.  I prefer not to live in a silo.


Dave   AB7E


On 5/2/2016 10:42 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

I also have been thinking this lately
If it's not an Elecraft product then please use the appropriate forum.




   From: Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com>
  To: g...@ka1j.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

Well-said, Gary ...


This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.

73

Ken - K0PP

73

Ken, K0PP
On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:


Folks,

Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
here is why:

This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used
as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.

I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my
and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The
only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to
hear information on that manufacturer's radios.

Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.

I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent,
often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize
I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit
was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all of
the options available.

But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to
hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the
purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads about
how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.

Just my 2 cents.

73 to all,

Gary
KA1J
K3s #10622
K3  #2382
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Dave Cole]

Hi Gary, 

This will continue to happen until the moderator cracks the whip...

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On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 12:29 -0400, Gary Smith wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the 
> lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for 
> Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and 
> here is why:
> 
> This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to
> my 
> questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used 
> as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios. 
> 
> I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my 
> and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The 
> only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to 
> hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
> 
> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the
> TenTec 
> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios 
> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was 
> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that 
> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term 
> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates 
> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that 
> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums 
> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.
> 
> I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first 
> K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my 
> pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent, 
> often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to
> realize 
> I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my 
> needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from 
> overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit 
> was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all
> of 
> the options available.
> 
> But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to 
> hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy 
> discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the 
> purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other 
> equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being 
> rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads
> about 
> how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
> 
> Just my 2 cents.
> 
> 73 to all,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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> K3  #2382
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I also have been thinking this lately
If it's not an Elecraft product then please use the appropriate forum.




  From: Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com>
 To: g...@ka1j.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric
   
Well-said, Gary ...

This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.

73

Ken - K0PP

73

Ken, K0PP
On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith" <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
> lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
> Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
> here is why:
>
> This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
> questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used
> as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.
>
> I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my
> and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The
> only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to
> hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
>
> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.
>
> I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
> K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
> pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent,
> often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize
> I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
> needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
> overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit
> was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all of
> the options available.
>
> But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to
> hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
> discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the
> purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
> equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
> rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads about
> how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> 73 to all,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
> K3s #10622
> K3  #2382
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Dick Dickinson]

Other than my mobile rig, I run Elecraft.  I appreciate being able to keep
up with the news regarding Elecraft products.

 

However I appreciate that Eric has chosen to let this reflector be somewhat
open to general radio topics.  By nature that sometimes includes discussion
of non-Elecraft products.

 

I have seen this reflector as much of being a 'club' rather than a forum
with a strictly focused on Elecraft.  That factor may be useful for many,
particularly newer operators who might have questions along the lines of
antennas, operating circumstances and conventions, as well as accessories
(Elecraft or other).  

 

I know it would be awkward for me to manage the forum via email.  I choose
to view it via qth.com/pipermail.  This is very easy and manageable for me.
I mostly keep up with the forum in a linear, time wise fashion.  That my
browser highlights the last read post after I've selected it, I always know
where I've left off.  http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft... is sent
as my homepage for my browser.  Your experience may differ.

 

I'd like to encourage Eric and the powers that be to continue the somewhat
open perspective here, though I realize that one's mode of reception of the
posts may cause consternation for some.  

 

Were I to offer complaint on content, it might be when people begin to
hammer at length on matters having to do with 'my radio is better than
theirs' when it relates to items well to the right of the decimal point.  

 

In general, I think the somewhat open approach that has been allowed serves
amateur radio and Elecraft well.

 

 

73,

Dick - KA5KKT  

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Folks - Its within list guidelines for -short-  discussions on topics only 
peripherally related to Elecraft topics, but extended discussions pro/con etc on 
competition etc should be limited here to a few posts and then taken to direct 
personal email. Its certainly pertinent info on other products to be posted,m 
but we do not want that to dominate list traffic.


Our goal is to first and foremost provide a forum for discussions of Elecraft 
products, third party products for Elecraft rigs and discussion of related 
technologies.  We purposely do not 100% limit postings to Elecraft products 
since both we and many readers benefit from these outside topics, including 
competitive analysis. But when these OT threads get past 5-10 postings, please 
limit them and take the conversation off list in the interest of keeping the 
volume of list postings under control.


73,

Eric
List moderator and cheerleader
/elecraft.com/


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,5/2/2016 9:29 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

I don't like seeing it used as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non 
Elecraft radios.


I don't have that objection as long as it doesn't consume the reflector. 
I don't worship my radios nor the companies that build them. I do value 
input from others when it is intelligent and based on facts and logic. 
Because I own Ten Tec power amps (and used to own an Omni V+), I'm also 
a member of a Ten Tec reflector. Those guys DO worship their radios AND 
the company that bought the remains of the company that bought the 
company that produced them decades ago.


There will always be new products and advertising for them that claims 
they are the equal of the best of their competitors, or nearly as good 
for a lot less money. Where else will we learn the facts?  Certainly not 
from the cheerleading email reflectors for the companies that sell them!


SDR technology IS important to advancing the state of our art, and there 
are some pretty good SDR radios on the market now. Their capabilities 
are currently limited by the chips that are currently available, but 
that will not always be true.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Phil Wheeler]

Gary,

Although I only use Elecraft gear at this point -- 
and have been in that situation since my first K2 
build increment in 1999 -- I'm always interested 
in what else is out there, and don't regard this 
reflector as "Holy Ground".


Nor have I seen any messages I would regard as 
saying "how wonderful" any other (non-Elecraft) 
rig is.


But, in the end, such judgments regarding 
acceptable content and topics are made by Eric.


73, Phil W7OX

On 5/2/16 9:29 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

Folks,

Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
here is why:

This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used
as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.

I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my
and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The
only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to
hear information on that manufacturer's radios.

Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.

I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent,
often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize
I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit
was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all of
the options available.

But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to
hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the
purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads about
how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.

Just my 2 cents.

73 to all,

Gary
KA1J
K3s #10622
K3  #2382


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Ken G Kopp]

Well-said, Gary ...

This was a topic at our local coffee gathering this AM.

73

Ken - K0PP

73

Ken, K0PP
On May 2, 2016 10:30, "Gary Smith"  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the
> lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for
> Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and
> here is why:
>
> This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my
> questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used
> as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios.
>
> I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my
> and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The
> only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to
> hear information on that manufacturer's radios.
>
> Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec
> reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios
> with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was
> considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that
> company at the time, was not handling some of the long term
> complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates
> and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that
> being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums
> and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.
>
> I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first
> K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my
> pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent,
> often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize
> I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my
> needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from
> overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit
> was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all of
> the options available.
>
> But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to
> hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy
> discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the
> purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other
> equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being
> rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads about
> how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> 73 to all,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
> K3s #10622
> K3  #2382
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[Elecraft] Elecraft Centric

[Gary Smith]

Folks,

Till now I've kept my thoughts to myself regarding some of the 
lengthy threads here, discussing other radios/Competition for 
Elecraft products. I personally find these threads irritating and 
here is why:

This is the only place on the internet where I can find answers to my 
questions about the K3 and K3s I own and I don't like seeing it used 
as a platform for discussing the pros & Cons of non Elecraft radios. 

I can't imagine going to an Icom forum and discussing at length my 
and other's opinions about Elecraft or any other manufacturer. The 
only reason I would dream of going to any brand specific forum is to 
hear information on that manufacturer's radios.

Before I joined this forum close to 10 years ago, I was on the TenTec 
reflector, reading daily as I wanted to buy one of the newer radios 
with better hearing than my Corsair II. At that time I was 
considering the Orion line. I had been disappointed with how that 
company at the time, was not handling some of the long term 
complaints I was reading on their reflector about a lack of updates 
and issues with end of life parts being soon unobtanium. With that 
being a real concern to me, I looked to threads on the eHam forums 
and read about Elecraft in the discussions and found this reflector.

I used this Elecraft forum as a learning tool before buying my first 
K3 and appreciated the dedication of the members and then to my 
pleasant surprise to find the owners of the company were frequent, 
often daily contributors to the threads. It took me awhile to realize 
I wasn't interested in a K1 or K2 but the K3 was going to fit my 
needs and it was made in America and I wasn't going to buy from 
overseas if what I want was made here. That an option to buy a kit 
was included made it a lock for me to buy the K3 kit with most all of 
the options available.

But my point being what I said that above; I turned to this forum to 
hear about Elecraft products and issues, not to read lengthy 
discussions about competitors products. I still consider that is the 
purpose of this forum and I am bemused why people tout other 
equipment here, it's just bad form. I would consider myself being 
rude and a jerk if I went to the Icom forum and started threads about 
how wonderful my Elecraft XYZ was.

Just my 2 cents.

73 to all,

Gary
KA1J
K3s #10622
K3  #2382
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